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On a somewhat interesting sub-note, the UNCF is sp...

2008-08-06T13:51:00.000-04:00

On a somewhat interesting sub-note, the UNCF is sponsoring a walk for education here in Minneapolis 2 days after the Republican national convention. I'm sure that's just a coincidence. They wouldn't take advantage of all the fired up liberals left in the RNC's wake, would they?

www.obamabayh08.com now links to the United Negro ...

2008-08-06T13:48:00.000-04:00

www.obamabayh08.com now links to the United Negro College Fund's website instead of to the DNC's website. Interesting...

Bayh won't just alienate the netroots - he will al...

2008-08-05T20:53:00.000-04:00

Bayh won't just alienate the netroots - he will alienate hispanics because of his opposition to immigration reform. Bayh is the antithesis of change. He will heavily reinforce the narrative that Obama is weak, phony and untrustworthy.

Nate if anyone wants a true picture of where the c...

2008-08-05T19:53:00.000-04:00

Nate if anyone wants a true picture of where the candidates appear on the political spectrum I would send them to the following unbiased link. The National Review says it is not biased but it lies as much as McBush.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/spectrum.xpd

I for one love Bayh any place Obama has weaknesses...

2008-08-05T19:49:00.000-04:00

I for one love Bayh any place Obama has weaknesses Bayh has strength.

McBush voted with Bush 95% of the time or more the...

2008-08-05T19:48:00.000-04:00

McBush voted with Bush 95% of the time or more the last two years. This is not cherry picking, McBush is just another third term of Bush.

I challenge any Republican to give me a major policy difference that McBush and Bush have.

Don't go to the climate change card because McBush already threw that under the BS express.

This is truly exceptional work, thank you.I will g...

2008-08-05T15:24:00.000-04:00

This is truly exceptional work, thank you.

I will grant that DLC Bayh does nothing for me. I see the DLC as a Clinton thing, and if one wants to bring them back, Gen. Wesley Clark would seem to be the guy. His tax positions in 2004 were amazingly progessive.

I believe that the American public is relatively equally divided, but I have very little faith in the great majority of Americans, very few of whom get their news from anywhere but the television.

Really great analysis on your part, in any event, keep up the good work!

I mentioned before, did I not, that I make even fancier maps, using any data you'd like to use? I have state, county, and, in this case, congressional district base maps? I'd be honored if you considered using my services to generate the maps you create with your data.

Jim Butler:The rating you picked comes from a site...

2008-08-05T14:42:00.000-04:00

Jim Butler:

The rating you picked comes from a site whose methodology is extremely weak and it is for 2005 only. Not very useful IMHO.

McCain has gone conservative for 6 years (3 sessions) now. He has sold out what made him attractive to moderates to pursue the Republican base.

Interesting graph - there are 2 differently colore...

2008-08-05T14:28:00.000-04:00

Interesting graph - there are 2 differently colored senators, the ones below and slightly above Clinton.... I guess the bottom one is Vermont´s Sanders, and the top one is Lieberman?

My thoughts about Bayh: a tactical pick, aiming at Indiana wihile not doing overall damage or benefit apart from that. In comparison to Sebelius I wonder if those stubborn Clinton supporters in the majority were supporters of the WOMEN Clinton or the PERSON Clinton. The former group might be pleased with Sebelius and disappointed with Bayh, while Hillary (and Bill) Clinton fans probably prefer Bayh.
While I don´t really like him I don´t think he is bad, either... maybe the Democratic Pawlenty. And since noone is perfect you might find parallels to Pawlenty´s bridge disaster, like Bayh´s votes on the war. Hmm, Bayh is an average pick.

Evan Bayh reminds me of Kevin Kline playing the Pr...

2008-08-05T14:20:00.000-04:00

Evan Bayh reminds me of Kevin Kline playing the President in the movie "Dave". Kind of a mix of the "good" and "bad" characters Kline played... I agree with Stephen above that Bayh's stance toward Iran (impoverishment through sanctions) is very misguided. He could use a course correction on that.

http://mondayrocks.com/mt/blog/2008/08/ideaologica...

2008-08-05T14:11:00.000-04:00

http://mondayrocks.com/mt/blog/2008/08/ideaological-discussion-of-bay.html

Sebelius isn´t a good choice. The better choice is...

2008-08-05T12:53:00.000-04:00

Sebelius isn´t a good choice. The better choice is Bayh or Webb, they´re no liberals. Liberals don´t help Obama.

And even more fascinating is that both Obama and M...

2008-08-05T12:43:00.000-04:00

And even more fascinating is that both Obama and McCain are more liberal/conservative than their respective states, but especially McCain, who is near the top of the conservative scale. He really has embraced Bushism 100% in recent years. It probably helped him get the GOP nomination, but will it backfire on him in the general? It should, if Obama's campaign gets the message out.

The polarization in that graph is interesting: the...

2008-08-05T12:39:00.000-04:00

The polarization in that graph is interesting: the Democratic senators fall on a trendline that tilts more liberal than the states they represent, and the Republican senators fall on a trendline that tilts more conservative than the states they represent. So this confirms that the senate is more strongly polarized than the electorate at large. Fascinating

You all are dreaming to think any VP pick will hel...

2008-08-05T12:32:00.000-04:00

You all are dreaming to think any VP pick will help Obama. The upside of picking Bayh will be to watch the "netroots" who lost their collective mind over Obama wail once again about Obama's "betrayal" to them!

Stephen, you're not used to the "betrayal" by now? FISA, NAFTA and campaign finance weren't enough of a clue? Those of us not assimilated into the O Collective have been highly amused to watch your reactions to reality breaking through your fantasy projections. I mean, come on. Move On snubbed the candidate who voted against censuring them, and endorsed the candidate who took a pass on that vote.

But I'm glad there are still plenty of diehards left who whimper that Obama was "forced" to support offshore drilling and still believe he will bring progressive change in the future. We have to have some fun at the expense of those who inflicted this disaster on the rest of us.

Brad, didn't you mention on another thread that yo...

2008-08-05T12:17:00.000-04:00

Brad, didn't you mention on another thread that you are married to a PUMA? My condolences to your "crazy" wife. Or I suppose you could use the condolences instead, since a guy who would belittle his wife online must be thoroughly whipped in real life.

Bayh helps win America because while photogenic an...

2008-08-05T12:09:00.000-04:00

Bayh helps win America because while photogenic and young, he has the kind of experience that looks presidential (2 term governor, 2 term senator w/ foreign policy oversight).

Sebelius, Kaine, Schweitzer, and even Mark Warner have only won 5 elections between them and have very thin experience.

And I really like the visual of Obama/Bayh - young, confident, good looking and dynamic. Very similar to Clinton/Gore in 92. It plays up the generational comparison and I don't think that's bad. It also, if I might be so crude, repeats very positive images in people's heads of about a million big hit buddy movies.

And i do think Bayh can keep IN competitive and maybe even win it.

Birch Bayh is also a big supporter of the National...

2008-08-05T12:01:00.000-04:00

Birch Bayh is also a big supporter of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would render this site's model obsolete! (But which is also another argument supporting the Bayh family's good government credentials. Maybe we can get Evan as VP on topics like this, verified voting, and depoliticized redistricting.)

The chart is fabulous. Any way to get the raw dat...

2008-08-05T12:00:00.000-04:00

The chart is fabulous. Any way to get the raw data or table to know who all the dots are. Curious where Di-Fi (and others) fall.