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The pick of Gov. Palin was a surprise to everybody...

2008-08-31T16:55:00.000-04:00

The pick of Gov. Palin was a surprise to everybody and I think that's exactly what MCcain was trying to do here. No one knows though who this woman is and doesn't even have an ounce of name notarity, Even though this may sway a lot of female voters I don't think its enough to put the MCcain/Palin ticket over the top.

Picking Snowe or any other Washington insider woul...

2008-08-31T10:30:00.000-04:00

Picking Snowe or any other Washington insider would have been a terrific mistake.

Palin brings a reformer's credentials to the ticket in a way that few others could have done. She stood up to the Republican machine in Alaska and beat it. By contrast, Obama cozied up to the Daley machine and let it help him.

Obama said he was going to bring change to Washington and instead he is bringing back Joe Biden.

People talk about relating to the middle and working classes; Sarah Palin is one of them.

Nate is right to recognize the game changing nature of this pick.

All this interest on the right and left shows how smart McCain was to pick her.

The paragraph about a 2 point deficit, a 3 point p...

2008-08-30T22:46:00.000-04:00

The paragraph about a 2 point deficit, a 3 point potential bump and a 10 point potential drop resulting in a 50 percent chance of winning by 1 and a 50 percent chance of losing by 12 is lazy. There was no way to crunch those numbers and come up with an actual likelihood she'd affect the result? Based on the info y'all have posted on this site, it can't have been too hard to do. Just lazy...

Last night I started kicking around the idea that ...

2008-08-30T18:58:00.000-04:00

Last night I started kicking around the idea that McCain might have had a stroke, or his PTSD from Vietnam (which I'm sure he has) is kicking up in a serious way.

He's been fumbling around and seemed confused quite a bit in the last month. The Daily Show has gotten a lot of traction out of some of his flubs. Then he goes and picks Sarah Palin for VP. If he was going after the disgruntled Hillary vote, he made a huge miscalculation on several levels.

Many Hillary voters were for her over Obama because of the experience issue. And the feminists who were doing identity politics saw Hillary as "one of them" who had fought her way up to the position she's in now. Sarah Palin is a generation younger than Hillary, she has accomplished very little in her life, and as my SO has said, she's a modern Phyllis Shafely.

I was predicting that Obama was going to win with 350 electoral votes. I think it might be bigger than that now.

Nate Silver says Palin a better pick than Romney. ...

2008-08-30T18:37:00.000-04:00

Nate Silver says Palin a better pick than Romney. That's stupid.

Someone, I think it might have been Chuck Todd on ...

2008-08-30T06:29:00.000-04:00

Someone, I think it might have been Chuck Todd on NBC, says that VP selections only matter on 3 days, the day they are selected, there convention speech, and the VP debate. Having slept on it, I do think Palin flunked the first one, though I do think McCain might still get a tiny bump off it, just because she is a woman.

Palin has to ace her convention speech I think, and start convincing people that she is not Ferraro and Quayle all rolled up nicely in a pretty package. She might be able to do it.

But I think the hardest thing she might have to cope with is her positions, as an anti-environmentalist, oil loving, pro life conservative, its going to be hard to pull any of Clinton's supporters along, aside from the symbolism of a woman. That and the investigation into the firing of her (soon to be ex) brother in law. I think that once some of the gaps are filled in, she is going to start looking an awful lot more like 'more of the same'.

I don't think the religious right is bluffing. If ...

2008-08-30T02:57:00.000-04:00

I don't think the religious right is bluffing. If he chose a pro-choice candidate they would simply stay home.

Now that's change you can believe in. =P

"like someone who had won a sweepstakes or an essa...

2008-08-30T02:42:00.000-04:00

"like someone who had won a sweepstakes or an essay contest."

brilliant description. That's exactly the vibe I get hearing her talk, seeing pictures of her with McCain, everything. It's genuinely confusing picturing her as vice president.

All together, now:ursula said... The comments here...

2008-08-30T01:15:00.000-04:00

All together, now:
ursula said... The comments here and media reaction are typical; most people aren't even willing to listen to her ideas and beliefs, they are just dismissing her and treating her just like they treated Hillary.

We all listened to Palin's ideas and beliefs today, and they are nearly universally stupid and crazy and anti-woman. That is why I, and all of my Hillary-backing friends, are solidly behind Senator Obama. His agenda is right for anyone who cares about women or the future of America.

Use your brain.

Q said... @ LibertarianJust to clarify, she fired ...

2008-08-29T23:49:00.000-04:00

Q said...
@ Libertarian

Just to clarify, she fired the guy who refused to submit to pressure to fire the douchebag ex husband of her sister. Regardless of how much of a bastard the true focus of her ire was, she used her political power to try to influence the decision of an official based on her personal feelings. Would I have done the same if I were her? Maybe. But I wouldn't vote myself into the Whitehouse either.

Really? I wouldn't. Would I pressure an official to fire the bastard? Sure. Would I fire an official for not firing a guy I considered a bastard? Hell no. That's Nixonian.

virginia conservative wrote:The base CAN win this ...

2008-08-29T23:19:00.000-04:00

virginia conservative wrote:
The base CAN win this election. It won it for Bush in 2004, it can do it again!

Look at a calendar. It's not 2004 anymore. The GOP has been losing their base over the past four years, while the Democrats have gained about a 10% advantage. The registration drives during the Republican primaries were laughable in their new numbers. The Democrats' drives set new records. People who vote in primaries are very likely to vote in the general.

Then there was a little matter known as the 2006 elections, in which people just like you predicted sweeping gains for the GOP. Look at the electoral maps on this site. The Republicans are having to fight in states that they won easily in 2004, and they are going to lose some this time around.

In 2004, the Iraq war was still relatively popular, the economy was much better, Bush's ratings were much higher, the GOP cast itself as the only "patriotic option".
Since then, all of these things has gone south for the GOP, and they've essentially spent the past two years calling the majority of the country traitors and terrorist sympathisers because they lost faith in Bush's Iraq vision. I could go on, but the general idea is...IT'S NOT 2004 ANYMORE!

She's from my hometown of Sandpoint, Idaho. Is tha...

2008-08-29T23:09:00.000-04:00

She's from my hometown of Sandpoint, Idaho. Is that cool or what?

(There's no way that I'm voting for anyone other than Obama for President, though)

In the main posting, the author says that Sarah Pa...

2008-08-29T22:39:00.000-04:00

In the main posting, the author says that Sarah Palin may help out John McCain or could make a major mistake, costing him big.

I disagree. The problem isn't whether Sarah Palin herself causes the problems. The problem with this pick is that John McCain has exercised poor judgment, has put the campaign ahead of the country, and proved to be a man who takes risks because he thinks it *might* work out.

In today's nation, we don't need another president who takes a risk on something that might or might not work. We've had eight years of someone who blindly felt his way around the international scene, entering wars without a strategy for instance. We need assurances from our President that he has thought through his actions and is prepared to lead America on a winning course. In choosing the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, McCain has only given us one more reason to doubt his decision-making skills.

"If experience means learning how to be a party ma...

2008-08-29T22:36:00.000-04:00

"If experience means learning how to be a party machine hack, I don't want experience."

Then why would you vote for McCain?

"If experience means being willing to toss the unborn overboard to maybe get a few more votes, I don't want experience."

No, we need to bear to term every fetus -- and then neglect them during their critical development phase to go on political campaigns.

"Palin has the right instincts and she's unafraid."

Yeah, and Bush was unafraid to go into Iraq.

That's not courage -- it's stupidity. And some of us are pretty fucking tired of having to pay the price for it.

It's an outright epidemic of concern trolls around...

2008-08-29T22:33:00.001-04:00

It's an outright epidemic of concern trolls around here!

If experience means learning how to be a party machine hack, I don't want experience.

If experience means compromising conservative principles to appear centrist, I don't want experience.

If experience means going to the appeasment school of foreign policy, I don't want experience.

If experience means being willing to toss the unborn overboard to maybe get a few more votes, I don't want experience.

If experience means pandering to special interests instead of the constituents, I don't want experience.

Palin has the right instincts and she's unafraid. She can learn the details and form her opinions from the bedrock of her core principles.

"A pick of Palin is tailor-made for a one-timer. N...

2008-08-29T22:33:00.000-04:00

"A pick of Palin is tailor-made for a one-timer. Now will John ever say it? No. But the base has to think that the VP would be training time."

So McFuckingHypocrite, after lecturing us all year about how important it is to keep America safe, wants as his second in command someone wearing training wheels?

Great.

@ VirCon -If you knew anything about Christianity ...

2008-08-29T22:30:00.000-04:00

@ VirCon -

If you knew anything about Christianity you would realize those verses refer to women teachers and leaders *in the church*, moron.

Yes, because Evangelicals are soooo good at compartmentalizing their religious bigotry. For example, they never deny scientific fact because itS doctrinally inconvenient. Also, they NEVER try to legislate a social agenda that is peculiarly and specifically religious.

NEVER.

Don' try to play arm chair theology because you'll look like an smug ignoramus.

Or I'll look like I spent the first 18 years of my life being brainwashed in the Evangelical community, and know one or two things about that crowd.

The base CAN win this election. It won it for Bush...

2008-08-29T22:26:00.001-04:00

The base CAN win this election. It won it for Bush in 2004, it can do it again!

Go Base!

And one final point that I would like to make is f...

2008-08-29T22:26:00.000-04:00

And one final point that I would like to make is from my wife, who is sitting next to me yelling in my ear. And she quotes: "To think women vote for women just because women is the most sexist and ignorant view I have ever heard. People voted for Clinton, I loved Clinton, because she is a women of experience who has worked tiredlessly for the past 40 odd years promoting the interest of women and fighting a battle in washington dc that few would even attempt. To think that I am this ignorant and going to support Palin just because she is a women is not acceptable...she is prolife, progun conserative politican who is also "a solid creationist" and a "global warming skeptic" ... that is what I vote on that that is enough to know that I will support this person." My wife obviously is must more liberal than me, but her comments I think are interesting.