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2009-02-09T01:03:00.000-05:00

I can't believe people are attempting to call the ...

2008-09-04T19:35:00.000-04:00

I can't believe people are attempting to call the firing up of Obama supporters after Palin's speech "a failure for Obama".

Are you stupid?!

When you inspire people to spend HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS on the other guy (and in this Economy), and allow their camp to raise millions that quickly, we have a phrase for it: "Doing it wrong."

Palin the Puppet reminded Obama supporters what they were fighting for and against; it validated his claims, and represented their worst nightmares.

Obama inspired us to hope for better; but those speeches last night inspired us to fight for better.

To paraphrase Obama: This race isn't about him, it's about the American people. At least he gets it.

The speeches last night show just how much the GOP doesn't. You don't get much more out of touch then laughing at the work of community organizers. Wow....

Is anyone on this site still interested in preside...

2008-09-04T14:19:00.001-04:00

Is anyone on this site still interested in presidential polling? If so, there were several results today that look good for Obama:

IOWA (CNN/Time):
Obama - 55%, McCain - 40%.

MINNESOTA (CNN/Time):
Obama - 53%, McCain - 41%.

OHIO (CNN/Time):
Obama - 47%, McCain - 45%.

McCain also lost a point in today's Gallup tracking poll. Nothing about Palin's impact yet but that should begin to show up tomorrow or the next day.

Is anyone on this site still interested in preside...

2008-09-04T14:19:00.000-04:00

Is anyone on this site still interested in preside...

2008-09-04T14:18:00.000-04:00

Yoiu know, this partisan bickering is so BORING fo...

2008-09-04T14:04:00.000-04:00

Yoiu know, this partisan bickering is so BORING for those of us who do not worship at the feet of the donkey or the elephant. Can we PLEASE stick to objective analysis as much as possible?

Palin just energized our Central Florida campaign ...

2008-09-04T13:50:00.000-04:00

Palin just energized our Central Florida campaign office more so than McCain ever did. Today people have been emailing/calling at record pace, asking where to go to volunteer. Its amazing how fired up folks are here on a Thursday morning in September. The office is just abuzz with smiling faces and determined resolve. Thank you Sarah Palin! I had the privilege of heading up to Kinko's this morning to pick up the last minute sign-changes for our community outreach this week:

'Community Organizers For Obama'
'Our Community Our Voice'

I say again, thank you Sarah Palin! Central Florida Democrats thank you too.

Similar to the lady referred to in the original po...

2008-09-04T13:48:00.000-04:00

Similar to the lady referred to in the original post who has begun to volunteer, the GOP convention motivated me to donate, which even as an avid Obama supporter for 1 year+ now I've never done before.

hi from Canada...I watched her speech last night a...

2008-09-04T13:36:00.000-04:00

hi from Canada...
I watched her speech last night and I was utterly disgusted...
She reaks of negativeness , sarcasm, lies and half-truths to score brownie points with McCain...

I have tried to donate to the Obama party but I cannot as I am from Canada but I do have friends in the States that I may wire money to to help him out ....

oh yea food thought.. here is an article that was in our media today...
Canucks swerve left

By THE CANADIAN PRESS

OTTAWA -- A new poll says Canadians are five times more likely to
pick Barack Obama than John McCain when asked who they would support if
they could vote in the U.S. presidential election.

The Canadian Press Harris/Decima survey indicates that 66% of those polled would select Obama, the Democratic candidate.

Only 13% would vote for McCain, the Republican

I agree with this 100%. I was so pissed off at Rud...

2008-09-04T13:12:00.000-04:00

I agree with this 100%. I was so pissed off at Rudy G and Sarah P's speeches last night that I went ahead and donated to the Obama campaign again. I'm more determined than ever to make Barack Obama our next President. We cannot have another 4 years of this kind of Rove BS.

I already wanted Obama to be President - what last night did was make me really really really REALLY not want John McCain as President. McCain himself never put me off as much as Sarah Palin did last night. That woman is DISGUSTING. One of the worst people in the entire universe. I HATE her. The McCain campaign now has their George W. Bush and her name is Sarah Palin.

I took an immediate dislike to Palin. If you read...

2008-09-04T13:00:00.000-04:00

I took an immediate dislike to Palin. If you read up on her political history you will see she is just a petty small town mayor who likes to use her power to punish those who don't jump to her tune. She will implode when her lack of character is revealed to the voting public.

Any source on Colin Powell endorsing Obama?

2008-09-04T12:52:00.000-04:00

Any source on Colin Powell endorsing Obama?

Whats anyone elses view to how Palin's speech comp...

2008-09-04T12:02:00.000-04:00

Whats anyone elses view to how Palin's speech compares to Obama's 2004 Convention speech?

I am not sure they compare at all. I really think History will view Obama's effort as one of the grewt American speeches. Go and watch it again if you have forgotten its impact. It was stunning. Palin delivered a good rallying the base political speech, Obama delivered a stunning American epic.

Norske-Division:(I am afraid this site is deterior...

2008-09-04T11:50:00.000-04:00

Norske-Division:

(I am afraid this site is deteriorating. It's getting much Norse.)

This is in response to your comment about not finding much on the book banning. BTW, even asking about book banning is bad enough, and she obviously went a bit further than that, but she was forced to back down. Even asking the question rhetorically shows her "If it don't like it is shouldn't bea allowed.

I wonder whether in Sarah Palin's America I would be relegated to second-class (or worse) status because I am not a fundamentalist Christian. (Not a Christian of any sort.)

From the Wikipedia article on Sarah Palin:

In January 1997, Palin notified the police chief, Irl Stambaugh, and the town librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons that they were being fired.[22] Palin said in a letter that she wanted a change because she believed the two did not fully support her administration. She rescinded the firing of the librarian, but not the police chief.[23] The chief filed a lawsuit; but a court dismissed it, finding that the mayor had the right to fire city employees for nearly any reason.[24] According to Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who observed City Council, Palin also brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting, but did not follow through with the idea.[20]

This is the article referenced in footnote 20 above.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

WASILLA, Alaska — The world arrived here more than a century ago with the gold rush and later the railroad. Yet one aspect of American life did not come to town until 1996, the year Sarah Palin ran for mayor and Wasilla got its first local lesson in wedge politics.

The traditional turning points that had decided municipal elections in this town of less than 7,000 people — Should we pave the dirt roads? Put in sewers? Which candidate is your hunting buddy? — seemed all but obsolete the year Ms. Palin, then 32, challenged the three-term incumbent, John C. Stein.

Anti-abortion fliers circulated. Ms. Palin played up her church work and her membership in the National Rifle Association. The state Republican Party, never involved before because city elections are nonpartisan, ran advertisements on Ms. Palin’s behalf.

Two years after Representative Newt Gingrich helped draft the Contract With America to advance Republican positions, Ms. Palin and her passion for Republican ideology and religious faith overtook a town known for a wide libertarian streak and for helping start the Iditarod sled dog race.

“Sarah comes in with all this ideological stuff, and I was like, ‘Whoa,’ ” said Mr. Stein, who lost the election. “But that got her elected: abortion, gun rights, term limits and the religious born-again thing. I’m not a churchgoing guy, and that was another issue: ‘We will have our first Christian mayor.’ ”

“I thought: ‘Holy cow, what’s happening here? Does that mean she thinks I’m Jewish or Islamic?’ ” recalled Mr. Stein, who was raised Lutheran, and later went to work as the administrator for the city of Sitka in southeast Alaska. “The point was that she was a born-again Christian.”

For all the admiration in Alaska for Ms. Palin, her rapid ascent from an activist in the P.T.A. to the running mate of Senator John McCain did not come without battle wounds. Her years in Wasilla, her first executive experience, reveal a mix of successes and stumbles, with Ms. Palin gaining support from a majority of residents for her drive, her faith and her accessibility but alienating others with what they said could be a polarizing single-mindedness.

“She is an aggressive reformer who isn’t afraid to break glass, to bring change to Wasilla and later to the state of Alaska,” said Taylor Griffin, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, who declined to address specific aspects of Ms. Palin’s tenure as mayor. “Washington needs some of that.”

In Wasilla, Ms. Palin is widely praised for following through on campaign promises by cutting property taxes while improving roads and sewers and strengthening the Police Department.

Her supporters say she helped Wasilla evolve from a ridiculed backwater to fast-growing suburb. The population of about 5,000 during her tenure as mayor has grown to nearly 10,000 now, and the city is filling with big box stores, including a Target that is scheduled to open on Oct. 12, one of three opening statewide that day in the chain’s Alaska debut.

But her critics say too much growth too quickly has made a mess of what not long ago was homesteaded farmland.

And for some, Ms. Palin’s first months in office here were so jarring — and so alienating — that an effort was made to force a recall. About 100 people attended a meeting to discuss the effort, which was covered in the local press, but the idea was dropped.

Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.

Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin’s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. “They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,” Ms. Kilkenny said.

The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to “resist all efforts at censorship,” Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support. Ms. Emmons, who left her job and Wasilla a couple of years later, declined to comment for this article.

In 1996, Ms. Palin suggested to the local paper, The Frontiersman, that the conversations about banning books were “rhetorical.”

Ms. Emmons was not the only employee to leave. During her campaign, Ms. Palin appealed to voters who felt that city employees under Mr. Stein, who was not from Wasilla and had earned a degree in public administration at the University of Oregon, had been unresponsive and rigid regarding a new comprehensive development plan. In turn, some city employees expressed support for Mr. Stein in a campaign advertisement.
Once in office, Ms. Palin asked many of Mr. Stein’s backers to resign — something virtually unheard of in Wasilla in past elections. The public works director, city planner, museum director and others were forced out. The police chief, Irl Stambaugh, was later fired outright.

Mr. Stambaugh lost a wrongful termination lawsuit against Ms. Palin. He did not respond to a request for an interview.

Ms. Palin also upended the town’s traditional ways with a surprise edict: No employee was to talk to the news media without her permission.

“It was just things you don’t ever associate with a small town,” Victoria Naegele, then the managing editor of The Frontiersman, recalled of Ms. Palin’s first year in office. “It was like we were warped into real politics instead of just ‘Do you like Joe or Mary for the job?’ It was a strange time.”

Ms. Palin, her critics note, was not always the fiscal watchdog she has since boasted of being. In her second term as mayor, she pushed for a half-cent raise in the local sales tax to pay for a $15 million sports complex. The complex is popular and a junior league hockey team plays there now, but the city recently had to pay more than $1.3 million to settle an ownership dispute over the site.

Ms. Palin also began annual trips to Washington to lobby for federal money for specific initiatives, including rail projects and a mental health center. Her running mate, Mr. McCain, has been an outspoken critic of these so-called earmarks and as governor Ms. Palin has sounded more like him, vetoing tens of millions of dollars of local projects sought by state lawmakers.

She is largely viewed as having had her hometown’s best interests at heart when she pursued big projects or an overhaul of city taxes. By the time she ran for re-election in 1999 — again facing Mr. Stein — things had smoothed out. She was returned to office by a large margin, 826 votes to 255.

Ms. Palin, who had campaigned promising to cut her own full-time salary, reduced it from about $68,000 to about $64,000, but she also hired a city administrator, John Cramer, adding a salary to the payroll.

Critics said Republican leaders installed Mr. Cramer, who was closely tied to a powerful local state lawmaker, Lyda Green. Ms. Green, who is retiring this year as Senate president, endorsed Ms. Palin in her campaign for mayor but became one of her biggest critics when Ms. Palin was governor.

Tensions did ease eventually in Wasilla, and Mr. Cramer is given some of the credit, supporters and opponents of Ms. Palin said.

“When I first met Sarah, I would say Sarah was a Republican, with the big R, and that’s it,” said Dave Chappel, Ms. Palin’s deputy mayor for more than two years. “As she developed politically, she began to see beyond the R and look at the whole picture. She matured.”

Just as Ms. Palin terminated employees on her way into office, she also let some go on the way out, including Mr. Cramer. When Ms. Palin completed her second and final term, in 2002, her stepmother-in-law, Faye Palin, was running to succeed her. It seemed like a good idea, except that Faye Palin supported abortion rights and was registered as unaffiliated, not Republican, people who remember the race said. Sarah Palin sided instead with Dianne M. Keller, a religious conservative and an ally on the City Council. Ms. Keller won.

“That was interesting,” Mr. Chappel said. “Faye lives up the street from me. I can’t really say much about that.”

[editorial comment: she rejected and opposed her step-mother-in-law for mayor over abortion and not being a registered Republican. The mayor’s office has no jurisdiction over abortions. The triumph of ideology Über Alles. So much for her family values.]

OzJohnnie:Your mind is obvious made up and you are...

2008-09-04T11:21:00.000-04:00

OzJohnnie:

Your mind is obvious made up and you are beyond convincing, so I have no intent of responding to the content of your vicious posts. But I do have a bit of advice for you.

Studies have shown that people who have high levels of hostility die earlier than those who do not. (Bad for the heart and all that.) So my advice is, arrange your affairs and make your will.

To use myself as an example of Sean's suggestion o...

2008-09-04T10:59:00.000-04:00

To use myself as an example of Sean's suggestion of a base rallying speech for both sides, I've been a semi-regular contributor to Obama's campaign since the primary season. I just donated a few days ago to beat the August deadline. I wasn't planning on giving right away, but after last night's disgusting display of divisiveness and contempt for the people of America, I donated again this morning. To anyone out there who has not donated, please do see in whatever amount you can afford. Obama's team should be hauling it in by the truckload following that shitfest.

I do have to say that donating again only brought my anger level down a little bit. I think I need to start volunteering for the campaign to fully cleanse myself of the vileness that tried to infect me last night.

While I'm here, I have a message for Senator McCain. Having just donated twice recently and with money being tight as always (the rent just went up $150), I really can't afford to donate again right away. Please don't make me feel this way again tomorrow. I can't afford to donate again so soon, but you may leave me with no choice.

The RNC speeches sure inspired me too. Inspired m...

2008-09-04T10:47:00.000-04:00

The RNC speeches sure inspired me too. Inspired me to donate money to Obama for the first time and to no longer consider myself a centrist (because that means I agree with the republicans almost half of the time), I will now call myself democrat for the first time.

I know some will attempt to call me the "liberal left" and thats why it fired me up, but that is not the case at all. I'm an independent, I used to vote straight-ticket republican, and even voted for Bush twice.

This kind of crap will not win votes, and it is not the politics America needs. The politics of yester-year, soon to end!

It certainly has energized liberal democrats. I w...

2008-09-04T10:41:00.000-04:00

It certainly has energized liberal democrats. I was out to breakfast this morning and each table to my left and right were people who were really disgusted at the vitriol of Palin's speech last night. I and another friend sent in an anti-RNC donation to Obama this morning for the same reason.

That said, I also see two of my slightly right-leaning moderate friends (women by the way) who were undecided on McCain have said they really liked Palin's speech and are becoming convinced to vote Republican now. I'm an Obama supporter, but I don't think I can spin this as a huge mistake for McCain yet.

Let's not pretend we saw something different from ...

2008-09-04T10:02:00.000-04:00

Let's not pretend we saw something different from what we thought we saw. She delivered a good speech. If it had come from Hillary Clinton or perhaps Carly Fiorina maybe it could have had lasting punch, but this particular woman is an emptysuit. Yes, being Mayor of a small town with between 5-8000 people is not impressive and does not prepare you to be President. She's still completely unqualified for the opportunity for which she was appointed, the American people aren't that dumb. The GOP recognized they only know how to fight one way. Karl Rove's politics are stale and won't work this time. In the end, over the next 60 days, the GOP accomplished two things at their convention. They had a referendum on Sarah Palin and they fired up both bases. But John McCain didn't get to have a convention, the whole thing was a referendum on Sarah Palin. That will not help much in 60 days when people choose between McCain and Obama. They haven't offered any solutions to anything. The only exception is drill, drill, drill. Bottom-line,
I doubt this worked much in trying to win an election. I was initially hoping for a win, even if it was by 1 vote for Obama. Now, I'm hoping for a landslide in Obama's favor, so the Rpublican party realizes they need to change if they want to play in the big leagues anymore.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the attack...

2008-09-04T09:39:00.000-04:00

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the attacks on community organizing. It happened several times last night and most times was spoken about as something unknown and not understood--essentially as foreign. It seems to me that that the Republicans are now trying to portray Obama as somehow different or foreign or other (all racial terms) but in a safer way.

My wife and I were energized enough to give Obama ...

2008-09-04T09:04:00.000-04:00

My wife and I were energized enough to give Obama a campaign donation after hearing Palin's speech last night. We've also decided to donate some time to his campaign. We vote for 3rd party candidates as often as the Democracts but this someone we really feel compelled to vote against.

Interestingly, I talked with a member of my congregation last night who said her parents, lifelong moderate Republicans who live in rural Ohio, had decided that the addition of Palin to the Republican ticket means that they will be supporting Obama. They voted for Bush in the last election.

Also, why has no one in the media outside of Cuyahoga county--at least as far as I have heard--mentioned the fact that Ohio's Democractic Secretary of State is going to make a big difference in the upcoming election. In 2004 the Republican Secretary of State more-or-less made certain that there were inadequate polling places in Cuyahoga county. The Democrat who's in office now will ensure that there's enough polling which means there'll be more votes cast in Cuyahoga which means there will be more votes for Obama...