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Paterson and Kennedy handled this process so bad t...

2009-01-23T18:17:00.000-05:00

Paterson and Kennedy handled this process so bad they actually make Blagojevich's appointment of Burris look like smooth Democratic politics. See what I mean:

http://politic.ology.com/2009/01/22/the-new-york-senate-appointment-process-makes-illinois-look-gooda/

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2009-01-16T03:05:00.000-05:00

Jon Stewart slipped last night; It sounded like he...

2009-01-15T11:26:00.000-05:00

Jon Stewart slipped last night; It sounded like he said he couldn't be Senator because he'd end up cursing. Oh well.

And if you absolutely have your hearts set on pick...

2009-01-15T11:20:00.000-05:00

And if you absolutely have your hearts set on picking someone based on name recognition, why not just go all the way and pick The Other Clinton?

At least then Congress can get Funky!

Jerry,That,s the whole problem. If he selects one ...

2009-01-15T11:07:00.000-05:00

Jerry,

That,s the whole problem. If he selects one (Kennedy) he looks like a puppet. If he selects the other (Cuomo) he looks like he's afraid of something.

Neither is very good.

What about Eric Schneiderman? He wouldn't make a bad Senator at all. I mean, the worst that could happen is a bunch of jokes about Senator Spiderman, but if you have to be compared to a comic book character, there are worse ones.

As a New Yorker -- I default to Kennedy. All ...

2009-01-15T09:32:00.000-05:00

As a New Yorker -- I default to Kennedy. All of the others mentioned have substantial experience in playing to the myriad micro-constituencies that dominate the New York political infrastructure: feminist groups, labor unions, Hispanics, African Americans, Catholics, upstaters, downstaters, urbanites, suburbanites, among a host of other distinct special interest "constituencies". The alternative to the laundry list of narrowcasting politics as usual in New York– would actually be Kennedy. She is not a slick, canned, career politician. And just after the country elected a president who disavowed compartmentalizing interests and ideologies, a Kennedy appointment would, ironically signal a shift away from crass, purely political expediency which is embedded in New York politics and government. David Paterson succeeded to the governor slot by deign of scandal – and in short order has defied expectations and shown strong leadership in exigent times – leadership that might not have been readily apparent when he served as State Senator. Perhaps Kennedy, -- who at least seems to be a somewhat sober, serious, and learned individual who lacks overt charisma and slickness, is maybe just who we need to represent New York's interests in the US Senate in this time of crisis and challenge. She s certainly wired to Obama -- and that can't hurt New York.

I have a couple of questions I know this smart gro...

2009-01-15T09:29:00.000-05:00

I have a couple of questions I know this smart group will be able to answer:

1. Does anyone know if Sen. Burris will be officially sworn in and voting later today on blocking the release of the $350 billion? Why is the media not talking about this?

Also, is this an issue that can be fillibustered? I also heard that the House may not have enough votes to release the funds.
I understand that Obama can veto in the end. Can someone review the exact protocol of voting?
If Obama doesn't get the $, then there is no point in celebrating an inauguration. Can someone reassure me that Obama is sure to win, even if he has to use his Veto?

2. Does someone have the composition (D/R) of the committees who will be voting on the Obama Cabinet? Are they using a ratio of 58/99 D/R as they should?? If so, then I can't imagine any Obama pick being rejected. However, I had read 10 days ago that they were still using the 2008 composition or certainly something less that 58/99 (which is 59% (Dem+Ind)?

The media sure isn't doing a good job, as usual, at these important details.

Regarding NY Senate: It seems that Paterson has to decide what will help him get reelected. If he chooses Cuomo, then Cuomo can't run against him, as expected otherwise. If he chooses Kennedy and she becomes a popular Senator, then Obama campaigns in NYS and he gets fundraising support and other advantages. Paterson is wise to wait until the last moment to decide.

@ DavidClinton's seat is up for election again in ...

2009-01-15T01:54:00.000-05:00

@ David

Clinton's seat is up for election again in 2012, and appointing someone midterm doesn't "reset the clock."

Furthermore, New York law requires a Senator appointed midterm to run in a special election at the next available state election (which also doesn't reset the clock), meaning whoever gets put in this seat will have to run for reelection in 2010 and 2012 if they want to keep.

Ain't politics grand?

SnWtrue about the blind surfing the netand it is O...

2009-01-15T00:42:00.000-05:00

SnW

true about the blind surfing the net

and it is OK to say the word 'see' to a blind person [such as "can't you see that Palin is a dolt"...]

likewise you 'wrote' your blog comments - even if you technically typed it or perhaps you utilized a verbal software program to transcribe it for you since perhaps you are legally blind for all we know

or maybe you have terrible arthritis or are severely handicapped like Stephen Hawking...]

WV - daftleg [speaking of disabilities...]

There are devices that allow the blind to surf the...

2009-01-15T00:00:00.000-05:00

There are devices that allow the blind to surf the net, you know. And if I can 'read' an audiobook with my MP3 player, you can 'read' a webpage with the appropriate devices even if your sight is significantly impaired.

@ StatlerPaterson can't read fivethirtyeight as he...

2009-01-14T23:50:00.000-05:00

@ Statler

Paterson can't read fivethirtyeight as he is legally blind.Hie speeches are all memorized beforehand.His hour-long State of the State speech last week required 60 hours of memorization.Quite a feat!

Statler, you must want Paterson to fire himself, s...

2009-01-14T22:56:00.000-05:00

Statler, you must want Paterson to fire himself, since he is following in his father's footsteps as a politician.

The three guys you want have very little name recognition. The guy from Manhattan is someone I've never heard of. I'm sure the Mayor of Buffalo has name recognition in Western New York, but the other two folks are pretty unviable.

As for Andrew Cuomo, selecting him wouldn't show Paterson was weak, because he is so clearly qualified, based on his experience.

Finally, it's not only Upstaters who are upset with Paterson's budget. We in the city don't like it, either.

Rivier, that's so well stated. Yes, continuing the...

2009-01-14T22:50:00.000-05:00

Rivier, that's so well stated. Yes, continuing the family profession.

STepper, I couldn't disagree more. What takes arrogance is to campaign for appointment to a job you spent NO time preparing for. Why, she didn't even VOTE for several elections. That said, anyone who campaigns for the Senate has to be somewhat prideful or at least exhibitionist.

There are other candidates besides Cuomo and Kenne...

2009-01-14T22:49:00.000-05:00

There are other candidates besides Cuomo and Kennedy in consideration.

Kennedy suffers because she publicly announced her interest in the position and applied alot of pressure via the media on Patterson. If Patterson appoints her, he will look like a puppet. His own electoral prospects are not strong at the moment, especially after the tax hikes, which much have Upstate NY in a tizzy right now.

Cuomo is a strong contender for the Democratic primary. This is the reason pundits have been stating that Patterson will appoint him, to keep him out of the gubernatorial race. The problem being that if he does so, it will LOOK like he's only appointing Cuomo to avoid taking him on in the primary.

It's one thing to be weak. It's another to loudly proclaim that you are weak. That's just chum for the sharks.

My picks? Daniel O'Donnell, Byron Brown, and Tim Mains.

None of these people are bluebloods. They're politicians that have distinguished themselves at the local and state levels of government, who are familiar with issues affecting working men and women in New York because they themselves have been in that position themselves.

I cannot support Kennedy because I find primogeniture disgusting on a deep personal level. Nobody should inherit power as a birthright. The whole point of the American Revolution was to get away from that, to establish government whose leaders were there to represent the common man, not because they won the birth lottery.

All of our worst sins as a society have been based on the idea that things other than personal merit have been allowed to be determining factors in an individual's success. All too often, merit has not even been a consideration. I reject the idea that there is any greater measure of human worth than merit. Indeed, it is the only measure that means anything.

When we allow determinants so arbitrary and mean as race, gender, primogeniture, inherited wealth, sexuality or religious beliefs to figure into the political equation, we pervert the system so badly as to break it irreparably. We become divided along lines that have no real meaning. We weaken ourselves as a nation and become the shame of our descendants. We must not continue in behavior that has only served to destroy us, time and time again.

Governor Patterson, I have no idea if you read FiveThirtyEight or not, and I kinda doubt you pay any attention to the comments section. Unless you enjoy the incoherent rants of Mule Rider and Company, in which case you have far worse problems than governing New York to cope with. But if you do, may I plead with you to appoint someone that has distinguished themselves through their work, and not merely their bloodline. I think we can both agree that the conditions of one's birth are no marker of one's talent or capacity to lead.

Let us now hope for an end to kings and queens and aristocracy.

Remember that who ever he appoints, will have to r...

2009-01-14T22:26:00.000-05:00

Remember that who ever he appoints, will have to run for reelection in two years, and then again two years after that.

Senator's terms last 6 years, not 2 Sean.

@ STepperCongress needs lots of liberal politician...

2009-01-14T21:37:00.000-05:00

@ STepper

Congress needs lots of liberal politicians who can vote for a liberal agenda

At this point in our history,this is by far the most important quality in a prospective senator.We have to reverse 8 years of criminal and incredibly inept leadership and we have to do it ASAP.The list of "musts" is long.We need every vote.

Things like 2010 electability pales in significance when compared to the urgent need to realize (and yes,liberalize) Obama's program now!

Sometimes it's not nepotism. Often, it's simply th...

2009-01-14T21:34:00.000-05:00

Sometimes it's not nepotism. Often, it's simply the Family Business.

It's not unusual for people to follow in their parents' footsteps. My dad was an engineer; I'm an engineer. What do you think Kiefer Sutherland's, Drew Barrymore's, and Charlie Sheen's parents did? Have you ever heard of Eli and Peyton Manning? And what business do you think Marie and Pierre Curie's child went into?

So for some people, politics is the Family Business. Not just for the Kennedys, but the Adamses, Harrisons, Rockefellers, and Tafts. Ain't nobody forced to vote for them.

Look, if Caroline gets named to the Senate, it's for two years only. Big ol' BFD. If New York elects her in '10, good for her. If we don't, then she'll fade back into obscurity. In either case, it's not exactly a scandal.

@Michael - Caroline Kennedy is modestly seeking th...

2009-01-14T21:32:00.000-05:00

@Michael - Caroline Kennedy is modestly seeking the job. It's the hubristic blowhards who spend their whole lives preparing for positions like that which concern me.

More power to Caroline, I say. One less lifetime politician sucking at the government teat.

DCM, two things:(1) Would it be any better if Byrd...

2009-01-14T20:58:00.000-05:00

DCM, two things:

(1) Would it be any better if Byrd were 41, in failing health, and unable to perform his duties? It's not his age per se that's an issue.

(2) The Supreme Court has faced similar problems. They tend to eventually persuade non-feasant justices to retire, but there's never certainty in life, and that's the way it is.

CRAPOSnW is neither sad nor scary imho...unless he...

2009-01-14T20:12:00.000-05:00

CRAPO

SnW is neither sad nor scary imho...

unless he runs out of Franzia - then all bets are off !!!

otherwise I find his comments are often piquant with an edgy nose - even though on occassion there might be a bitter ending...lol

That's an easy one, Nate Silvermember. He's waitin...

2009-01-14T20:05:00.000-05:00

That's an easy one, Nate Silvermember. He's waiting for wankdwarf to stop commenting.

Hi all PeteKents!

DCM: you know what else is sad and scary: statler wankdwarf!

Robert Byrd [WV] is already 91 & in poor health, u...

2009-01-14T20:02:00.000-05:00

Robert Byrd [WV] is already 91 & in poor health, usually unable to actually perform his senatorial duties...

as President Pro Tempore of the Senate, Byrd will be 3rd in line of succession to become POTUS after Biden & Pelosi...

and he still has 4 years left on his current term

that is sad & scary

STepper, if Caroline Kennedy were modest, she woul...

2009-01-14T19:54:00.000-05:00

STepper, if Caroline Kennedy were modest, she wouldn't want to be a senator.