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2009-02-16T23:19:00.000-05:00

McCain's pick of Palin is the farthest thing from ...

2008-09-01T12:27:00.000-04:00

McCain's pick of Palin is the farthest thing from a maverick pick. Unexpected, yes. A surprise, definitely--but not maverick. The definition of a maverick is "a lone dissenter, as in a politician, who takes an independent stand apart from his or her associates." Given Palin's welcome reception by the GOP, this does not qualify.

If McCain had really wanted to demonstrate his maverick credentials and buck tradition, he would have pick Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman. By all accounts they were the ones he wanted to pick but in the end he couldn't (possibly due to pressure from Rove and others).

This also may explain why he chose Palin so late in the game, having just talked with her on the phone a few days before and then meeting with her on Thursday. My guess is he wanted to offer the job to someone else and was precluded from doing so at the last minute.

The Palin pick is pandering to the conservative base, and the media should stop recycling the Republican talking points of claiming it as evidence of McCain's maverick-ness.

Biden should restrain himself somewhat in the deba...

2008-08-30T23:42:00.000-04:00

Biden should restrain himself somewhat in the debate. The best thing Obama could do would be to have Hillary go after Palin nonstop. Hillary has a legitimate stake in not allowing an unknown woman to swoop in and claim the voters she worked so hard for. It's an insult to all women that we be expected to support a candidate simply because we are also XX - do they think that means we don't have a brain? Anyway, Hillary would be great at defending her territory, and rightfully so. I had some problems with Clinton during the primaries, but I would be solidly behind her taking Palin to school.

Dems should push that "heartbeat away" line all da...

2008-08-30T17:38:00.000-04:00

Dems should push that "heartbeat away" line all day long. It does three things, it indirectly brings up her lack of experience (which they don't need to be so direct about) and it also brings up John McCains age and his lack of judgement. 3 punch combo.

I agree that Palin is a game changer. I am just no...

2008-08-30T13:01:00.000-04:00

I agree that Palin is a game changer. I am just not sure how it is going to change the game. I think it could put a serious hole in McCain's campaign or give it new energy. I think, personally if Obama is going to run an issues based campaign now, then the first choice is more likely.

Few things as telling as using "Daily-Kos" as some...

2008-08-30T12:24:00.000-04:00

Few things as telling as using "Daily-Kos" as some sort of a pejorative.

Thanks!

I needed a chuckle.

I think we're getting so much chatter on this topi...

2008-08-30T12:21:00.000-04:00

I think we're getting so much chatter on this topic largely because it helps highlight the ideological differences between the parties and candidates.

For a long time, each party has often hidden its light under a bushel basket in order to try to appeal to the other side. It's why some say there's not a dime's worth of difference between the parties.

I think it's great that some of these long-muddied issues are going to be highlighted again.

Spin as you will, but I think this debate will show that America isn't becoming as DailyKos-like as this echo chamber would like to think.

"I do think the Dems need to start taking her down...

2008-08-30T12:18:00.000-04:00

"I do think the Dems need to start taking her down immediately and I don't think belittling her resume is out of line and if it can be turned into a punchline, so much the better."

This is a dangerous approach. Obama himself and Biden should not go anywhere near this line of attack -- they need to continue to attack McCain, his policies, his judgment, and his temperament. To the extent that Palin is part of the attack, it should be as evidence of McCain's hypocrisy and utter lack of good judgment. He's a dangerous gambler: is that who you want running the country?

It's fine for some of the surrogates (especially female ones) to go after Palin on her lack of readiness (not experience, but readiness), her record, and her extremely conservative views. Of the Dems, Hillary Clinton is obviously best positioned to attack Palin as someone who is not politically seasoned enough to handle a serious national position like VP (yes, it can be ceremonial, but is hasn't been for over 15 years now).

But primarily the Obama campaign should ignore Palin. Let the media look into Palin, while softly nudging them to explore certain aspects of her past and her positions. Pressure her to hold some press conferences and she how she handles herself when discussing foreign policy issues. But above all, the Dems need to keep focusing on McCain and tying him the Bush administration that he supports, don't take the Palin bait. Most people vote for the top of the ticket, and uniting religious conservatives won't be enough for the GOP this time around.

The two questions we should ask, that really can’t...

2008-08-30T12:07:00.000-04:00

The two questions we should ask, that really can’t be answered in any positive way, are:

What does it say about McCain’s judgment that he asked Palin? That is the one asked in the front page story today. But the other half of that equation is:
What does it say about Palin’s judgment that she accepted?
The ambition, the hubris, that allows her to think that her background qualifies her to be president is astonishing. This is not the movie "Dave." This is real life.

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I do think the Dems need to start taking her down ...

2008-08-30T12:06:00.000-04:00

I do think the Dems need to start taking her down immediately and I don't think belittling her resume is out of line and if it can be turned into a punchline, so much the better.

I also think that Team Obama, and particularly female surrogates, need to make sure that female voters especially see this selection for what it is - pure political calculation and a shameless, transparent effort to pander to women by a man who doesn't give a hoot about the interests of women.

I want to see John McCain be forced to look into the camera everyday and tell American voters with a straight face that Sarah Palin is the best person qualified to be a heartbeat from the presidency. I want see him forced to explain that her selection was not purely a political one.

John McCain likes accuse Barack of putting politics before the national interest. Well that argument needs to be turned back on John McCain because he did not select Sarah Palin to serve in the second highest office in the land because she is the best qualified person to step in and deal with Iraq, Russia, Iran or because she is prepared to manage an extremely fragile economy that is losing ground to India and China every day. He did it out of pure political calculation.

"Here's the real thing I see with the whole Palin ...

2008-08-30T12:03:00.000-04:00

"Here's the real thing I see with the whole Palin appointment, and that is it demonstrates a marked lack of courage by John McCain."

Exactly right. It was a completely cynical, craven pick by a desperate man with no confidence and only a deep desire to try to win at any cost.

"I can't think of anyone more out of the mainstream than Palin. She doesn't have an opinion about Iraq; she disapproves of birth control, even among married couples; she wants creationism taught; she disapproves of abortion even in extreme necessity; and we haven't even touched areas like education in general, immigration, economics, or other things more Presidential."

Yep. But we have right-wingers saying this nutjob makes libertarians happy?

"This was an extremely irresponsible pick by McCain."

And from a candidate who railed endlessly about judgment and experience.

"And, like it or not, this election is over."

If only you were right. But millions of Americans are stupid enough to fall for this.

Palin: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tel...

2008-08-30T12:02:00.000-04:00

Palin:

“As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does everyday?”

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Yeah, can you picture her face to face with Putin? Maybe she too will look into his eyes and see his soul?

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Scrubbed: Palin Ad Featuring Ted Stevens Disappear...

2008-08-30T12:01:00.000-04:00

Scrubbed: Palin Ad Featuring Ted Stevens Disappears

That was quick. This morning, an ad from Sarah Palin's 2006 gubernatorial campaign featuring an endorsement from scandal-plagued Alaska Senator Ted Stevens was available on Palin's campaign Web site.

...but now the Stevens ad has already been scrubbed. The link is no longer on her campaign site.

Luckily, the ad featuring Stevens and Palin is still available for your viewing pleasure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nTX-oJUCaU

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The very best corruption money can buy!

I wonder if she will actually be nominated?

Dollars to donuts, something will come up, McCain will toss her under the bus and the GOP will plug in some old warrior general or something.

She will not survive scrutiny on her "troopergate" - they have her people on tape. Hard to ignore that.

"Your neighbors are better equipped than are the a...

2008-08-30T12:00:00.000-04:00

"Your neighbors are better equipped than are the appeasists on the left."

You fearmongers are pathetic.

If you're so concerned about foreign policy, why would you be happy about McCain picking a complete nobody as VP?

Fucking hypocrites.

Cindy McCain has a pre-nup - if she can't trust Jo...

2008-08-30T11:59:00.001-04:00

Cindy McCain has a pre-nup - if she can't trust Johnny boy with her money - and I assume she knows her husband better than we do - why should anybody trust him with our money?

Just curious.

It is a test of trust and judgment.

I imagine if Brack was married to an heiress and she had a pre-nup it would be a HUGE dealio to the RW's and the M$M.

It is a gamble, and I think it's a strategic mista...

2008-08-30T11:59:00.000-04:00

It is a gamble, and I think it's a strategic mistake by McCain.

Earth to Senator McCain: There are more ways to win the female vote than by simply putting a woman on the ticket; and a no-abortion-even-in-cases-of-rape woman at that.

What McCain forfeited here was the opportunity to have the only ticket with any perceived economic credibility. Obama/Biden has no economic credentials. McCain could have taken advantage of that by going with someone with some economic/financial competence, but he went with Palin instead. I think it was a mistake.

If there's anything we know this cycle it's that voters - men and women - are increasingly concerned about the economy:

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080829_EconomyStates1_lwoapas.gif

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Wow, this has generated a lot of talk.Here's the r...

2008-08-30T11:52:00.000-04:00

Wow, this has generated a lot of talk.

Here's the real thing I see with the whole Palin appointment, and that is it demonstrates a marked lack of courage by John McCain.

McCain easily could have locked this election up by choosing Olympia Snowe and abandoning some of the principles of the right that the country has been rejecting with growing numbers in the last fifteen years. He could have defined the trend of the new Republican party. Instead, he is more likely the last of the old timers, to be remembered much like Andropov was in the Soviet Days -- clinging to the old views in a world that has bypassed him.

His campaign has shown a startling lack of courage since almost the beginning. This is not only a risky call -- it is a desperate one and, honestly, an irresponsible one. And, yes, people don't vote for Vice President. But the right-wing dominated Republican party has been trying to paint Democrats (and succeeding for the last 25 years) as being out of the mainstream.

I can't think of anyone more out of the mainstream than Palin. She doesn't have an opinion about Iraq; she disapproves of birth control, even among married couples; she wants creationism taught; she disapproves of abortion even in extreme necessity; and we haven't even touched areas like education in general, immigration, economics, or other things more Presidential.

The chances that either candidate will not survive their first time are fairly high -- not extremely but higher than normal. John McCain is so frail he can't even comb his own hair (not hyperbole). As for Obama -- well, the last three people in the United States who talked about change were all killed (both Kennedys and MLK), or changed literally or metaphorically consumed them (Malcolm X and LBJ). Change confuses and upsets people.

This was an extremely irresponsible pick by McCain. And, like it or not, this election is over. It went through its death throes during Obama's brilliant speech, and McCain just sealed his fate. The Republicans need to try again in four years and demonstrate some courage in redefining their party.

This analysis by Mike Murphy (old hand Republican ...

2008-08-30T11:51:00.000-04:00

This analysis by Mike Murphy (old hand Republican strategist and old pal of McCain) of the impact of Palin in Michigan. His analysis is based in what he knows of the republican operation on the ground in michigan in 2004 and what they need to do to win. whatever the Rass poll says and the talking points may be this is not the pick to win in Michigan (which is what the Republicans were raving about yesterday on tv and at politico)

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/the_barracuda_and_the_wolverin.html

"I like my neighbors, but they are not ready to le...

2008-08-30T11:50:00.000-04:00

"I like my neighbors, but they are not ready to lead the Free World in the War on Terror."

Your neighbors are better equipped than are the appeasists on the left.

I referenced a famous William F Buckley quote yesterday in another thread, but it bears repeating, being so apt in this circumstance:

"I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."

That's a concept the elitists just can't grasp.

"Reporters say that John McCain loves to go to cas...

2008-08-30T11:41:00.000-04:00

"Reporters say that John McCain loves to go to casinos and drop $1000 chips on the craps table. That's exactly what he did."

One difference is that to McCain, $1000 chips are like dimes and quarters to you and me. If he loses, no big deal. If he wins this gamble, there could be 300,000,000 losers.

International Relations (with highest honors), Col...

2008-08-30T11:39:00.000-04:00

International Relations (with highest honors), Columbia. JD and editor of the Law Review, Harvard. Constitutional law lecturer. Civil rights attorney. Eight years as a state rep, representing 200,000 voters and crafting laws for a state of 12 million. US Senator and member of Senate Foreign Relations for 3.5 years.

BA in Journalism, focused on sports casting, U. of Idaho. Mayor of a town of 5,000 (managing to rack up $20 million in debt). Governor for under two years of a state of 600,000. McCain's first cabinet-level appointment.

The danger here is that, trying to attract some women voters, McCain seriously risks a lot of GOP male voters. And, folks, when the parties are as gender-imbalanced as they are (60/40 splits in each), risking your base is high stakes. Reporters say that John McCain loves to go to casinos and drop $1000 chips on the craps table. That's exactly what he did.

I love the titles of articles this morning and how...

2008-08-30T11:36:00.000-04:00

I love the titles of articles this morning and how many say McCain "risky choice", "gamble", "bet"...

McCain marketed himself as the stable choice with judgement. Is outting country first taking a gamble, risk, or bet?

McCain undercutting himself in so many ways. Can't wait to see polls in two weeks after the convention volatility settles.