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2008-12-11T16:09:00.000-05:00

That's basically what it comes down to- McCain lost because he was (aside from the Wright issue) running the campaign his people told him to run instead of the one he wanted to run. So what we got was a freak hybrid of a McCain campaign and a generic Republican one.

And as someone who likes McCain a lot (I just think the rest of his party fails for the most part, of course I could say the exact same thing about Obama) I think that's a goddamn shame.

Jack-be-nimble:I am predicting that the events of ...

2008-12-09T18:55:00.000-05:00

Jack-be-nimble:

I am predicting that the events of today and all of the reverberations will hand the House of representatives to the GOP in 2010.

I'll add that to my already voluminous "List of Things That Jack-Be-Nimble Has Been Embarrassingly Wrong About."

Good point at the end there, Nate. Only Republica...

2008-12-09T17:24:00.000-05:00

Good point at the end there, Nate. Only Republicans pander to the base or attack their opponents' characters. You're a generally fair-minded fellow, but get a grip. They're politicians. Democrats are no better. At all. Ever. The end. Period.

(2) Blagojevich could still appoint Obama's succes...

2008-12-09T16:51:00.000-05:00

(2) Blagojevich could still appoint Obama's successor.Once he's out on bail,he is the governor again.He could,loudly claiming his innocence,appoint the next Illinois senator as part of his "not guilty" campaign.

The state legislature is scheduling a special election ASAP. If Blago were to appoint someone, it's very likely that the Senate would refuse to seat that appointee in favor of the eventual winner of the special election.

Also, Blago is most likely facing impeachment as even his Democratic allies in Springfield are scrambling to distance themselves from his useless, radioactive ass. I'd be surprised if he survives the week before resigning.

"just a troll with ALOT of money"Man,you are stubb...

2008-12-09T16:18:00.000-05:00

"just a troll with ALOT of money"

Man,you are stubborn. :^)

Very interesting discussion. Personally, I see al...

2008-12-09T16:08:00.000-05:00

Very interesting discussion. Personally, I see all the talk about the ad McCain DID NOT RUN as just a smokescreen designed to win McCain back some respect. The facts are that he ran an INCREDIBLY dirty and nasty campaign and, as was rightly said here, THAT damaged his brand beyond repair. McCain is simply oblivious to the fact that he turns his "honor" off and on as needed (and always has). The Clintons, unwittingly, did a great job if immunizing Obama against negative ads as they had already used practically all the "good" nasty ideas in the primary season. I'd like to see a comparison of Hilary's negative ads against McCain's, my guess (and memory) is there would be little difference in the overall tone and approach.

1980, 1992, 2008 prove something enduring in the A...

2008-12-09T16:00:00.000-05:00

1980, 1992, 2008 prove something enduring in the American character. Hope trumps fear and we welcome the "promise of the future" over the "comfort of the past".

At the end it was as simple as that.

Some short random thoughts generated by reading th...

2008-12-09T15:59:00.000-05:00

Some short random thoughts generated by reading the above posts:

(1) A huge amount of credit for Obama's success should go to Howard Dean.His "50 State Strategy" (which he fought for against other Democratic leaders) laid the foundation for the very successful and vital GOTV machine.

(2) Blagojevich could still appoint Obama's successor.Once he's out on bail,he is the governor again.He could,loudly claiming his innocence,appoint the next Illinois senator as part of his "not guilty" campaign.

(3) There is no such thing as having the necessary experience to be president.The right experince comes only from BEING president.What you do need,however,is the intelligence to be president.

(4) I've always thought McCain feels he is OWED the presidency because of his horrendous 5 years of captivity as a prisoner of war.

(5) I totally agree with Statler about the utter uselessness of guessing,years in advance,what's going to happen in 2010 and 2012.

Going back to the original post, I the main proble...

2008-12-09T15:17:00.000-05:00

Going back to the original post, I the main problem for the Republicans attack ads is that Obama gave them very little ammunition.

Obama genuinely comes across as a man of integrity and honour who loves his wife and his country and wants to do his best for it. If the best you can come up with is that he was once on a board with a rehabilitated terrorist and didn't walk out of his church then you might as well give up.

If the case against Obama hadn't been so laughably petty then maybe the mud would have stuck a bit more, but it this case all the negativity just served to make the McCain campaign seem devoid of ideas and McCain himself tarnish his own brand.

If Obama had been Blagojevich on the other hand, I'm sure negative campaigning would have worked :)

zappa2496 said "...the SodaHead ads are getting wa...

2008-12-09T15:15:00.000-05:00

zappa2496 said "...the SodaHead ads are getting way out of line."
The solution is simple: click on them, multiple times, all day long. Each click costs SodaHead some money, and better yet: the money goes to our buddy Nate!

And please, don't bother arguing with the Mule. There's no point in talking to a mule until you first hit him across the head with a 2-by-4 to get his attention, and alas, we don't know his home address.

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Well, they can rattle sabres all they want, but th...

2008-12-09T15:09:00.001-05:00

Well, they can rattle sabres all they want, but there's nothing to impeach Obama for. He isn't even being accused of a crime,a s far as I can tell. Let the trolls make all the shady inferences they want. Mere conjecture and insinuation does not meet the Constitutional standard of High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Just ignore them. Remember, a successful troll is only successful as long as it has your attention.

Rupert Murdoch (who owns Fox, The NY Post, and MySpace) is really just a troll with alot of money. And like any other troll, the minute people stop using his 'news' outlets, he becomes weak and flaccid, nothing more than a bitter old man grumbling on about how he misses the days when sodas cost a nickle and syphilis was incurable. So stop tuning in. Close your MySpace account and stop paying for the NY Post. That's one less revenue source for that bitter old man.

At one point, the most successful troll in America was Senator Joseph McCarthy. But look at the end of his career. Once people started ignoring him, what happened to his power? It evaporated.

In a very real sense, we create trolls. They can't exist for very long without our attention. So instead of worry about them or complaining about them, stop feeding them. They'll die just like McCarthy did. Old, alone, abandoned, and irrelevant, with only their own rants to keep them company and chase away the demons of loneliness and spite, along with the ever-present knowledge that they live in hells of their own design.

The trolls cannot hurt Obama. So relax, and watch the drama unfold without getting so caught up in it that you take up a role. Better to sit it out in the balcony, and heckle the dramatists. Why do you think I chose this nickname?

@Mule Rider:Alive and kicking again, I see. How ni...

2008-12-09T15:09:00.000-05:00

@Mule Rider:
Alive and kicking again, I see. How nice!

Wow it`s going to be a fun 8 years. The trolls are...

2008-12-09T14:52:00.000-05:00

Wow it`s going to be a fun 8 years. The trolls are out in full force, they want to impeach Obama before he even takes the oath.
Just because Il. has a dipshit for a governor is not his fault, in fact as soon as he saw the game he was playing Obama withdrew.
I hate to remind you trolls that the last republican IL. governor is doing 6 years in prison, Blago will soon be joining him I assume.
If any president deserved impeachment it was Bush, he caused the death of thousands of people, broke the law on wire tapping and tortured people. Really his crimes were worsE than Nixons.
So far obama comes from a state whose governor is a crook. sorry he will president in 42 days so get used to it.

Why McCain Lost The Debates

2008-12-09T14:49:00.000-05:00

Why McCain Lost The Debates

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2008-12-09T14:46:00.000-05:00

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dsimon, to a degree it's become the trolls feeding...

2008-12-09T14:39:00.000-05:00

dsimon, to a degree it's become the trolls feeding the trolls I'm not entirely convinced that half of them aren't MR's sock-puppets.

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That's basically what it comes down to- McCain los...

Jack-be-nimble:I am predicting that the events of ...

Good point at the end there, Nate. Only Republica...

(2) Blagojevich could still appoint Obama's succes...

"just a troll with ALOT of money"Man,you are stubb...

Very interesting discussion. Personally, I see al...

1980, 1992, 2008 prove something enduring in the A...

Some short random thoughts generated by reading th...

Going back to the original post, I the main proble...

zappa2496 said "...the SodaHead ads are getting wa...

Well, they can rattle sabres all they want, but th...

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Wow it`s going to be a fun 8 years. The trolls are...

Why McCain Lost The Debates

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dsimon, to a degree it's become the trolls feeding...

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