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Yo, Jack-be-nimble: "...because of the fear of a ...

2008-12-10T02:48:00.000-05:00

Yo, Jack-be-nimble: "...because of the fear of a total incompetant taking over."

Dude, when you can't even spell "incompetent", it's really time to get out of the ranting troll business.

Then again, you and Mule-humper *do* provide a certain amount of entertainment-value to the board, so I'm torn... Of course it's also possible that you lull those of us who support President-elect Obama and his policy agenda into thinking that all the opposition is as foaming-at-the-mouth and confused in their thinking as you both are... And, yet... and, yet... given his current approval numbers, perhaps it is the case that they are :). I'd like to just egg you on, but I'm not sure that your style of baseless slander ever really improves a political discussion. Hmmm, guess I'll just have to go back to ignoring you entirely... except, perhaps, for the occasional comic relief?

Hey, Jack, it sounds like you're volunteering to b...

2008-12-09T21:31:00.000-05:00

Hey, Jack, it sounds like you're volunteering to be Obama's whipping boy. Great, let me tie you to this post so we can pound the snot out of you on TV, okay?

Thanks so much for volunteering. Your community service will be greatly appreciated.

You can change your nickname to Mr. Malaprop if you like.

Jack-be-nimble said:I hate to be an Obama whipping...

2008-12-09T21:20:00.000-05:00

Jack-be-nimble said:

I hate to be an Obama whipping boy, but I think he is done.

I implore you to research the proper use of this term before ever uttering or keying it again.

Thanks in advance.

While this is shocking news, I think most people a...

2008-12-09T20:20:00.000-05:00

While this is shocking news, I think most people aren't surprised. Blagojevich has been under investigation for awhile now and he has performance numbers are in the TEENS. It just illustrates the danger of having power concentrated in one person. I'm not suggesting that Governor Patterson is planning an appointment in New York with untoward motives, but I don't think his decision will be without influence or based upon what is politically in his best interests.

I think it's now safe to retire New Orleans as the most corrupt govt in America (I think Alaska is probably #2 after Illinois. Look for the Obama haters to start yelling guilt by association.

wv: bleers - bleary cheers...yay

We saw it coming in Illinois but probably not to t...

2008-12-09T19:39:00.000-05:00

We saw it coming in Illinois but probably not to this extent of sheer arrogance. He's been unpredictable for years.

Merry Fitzmas Illinoisans!

If anyone from the Obama team tipped anyone, it wa...

2008-12-09T19:33:00.000-05:00

If anyone from the Obama team tipped anyone, it was Rahm.

NateLLooks like the Illinois legislature is not wa...

2008-12-09T19:16:00.000-05:00

NateL

Looks like the Illinois legislature is not waiting around:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2483788020052043500ZuHzAj

"There might be some precedent in the New Hampshir...

2008-12-09T19:06:00.000-05:00

"There might be some precedent in the New Hampshire senate race of 1974, when the winner of the race remained unresolved after several recounts, and the Senate declared the seat vacant and than mandated a special election."

The better precedent is Frank L. Smith (R) of Illinois. He was elected the general election in 1926. His predecessor died in December of 1926, so the Governor appointed him. The Senate refused to seat him due to corruption both on the basis of that appointment and when he presented himself for the term he was elected to. Note how long ago that was, yet Illinois was electing corrupt politicians.

really? No one saw it coming?I though everyone sa...

2008-12-09T18:54:00.000-05:00

really? No one saw it coming?

I though everyone saw it coming.

It wasn't a matter or IF, it was a matter of when. As he proved by being stupid enough to get caught trying to sell a Senate seat, this guy was going to go because he is too stupid to breath, let alone run a Governors office.

That being said, he didn't need a snitch, his office was bugged and he knew his phone was tapped, and if he didn't know his office was bug he sure should have.

Mark Kirk--the next Senator from Illinois.

2008-12-09T18:48:00.000-05:00

Mark Kirk--the next Senator from Illinois.

Patrick Fitzgerald is the Elliot Ness of the 21st ...

2008-12-09T18:41:00.000-05:00

Patrick Fitzgerald is the Elliot Ness of the 21st century. We need him to continue here in Chicago because Blagojevich is just the tip of the iceberg of corruption that has infiltrated politics here at all levels. Mayor Daley and Todd Stroger are next and I believe Fitzgerald already has an active investigation into Crook County. The Feds raided their offices last year in search for evidence.

As for history. Peter Fitgerald appointed Patrick Fitzgerald (no relation), a prosecutor who couldn't be bought, that pissed off both parties in Illinois. The Republicans were so mad they refused to support Peter in his reelection bid so he chose to just give up his seat. Patrick Fitzgerald was given a C rating by Karl Rove's team. The C meant that he refused to limit his prosecutions to just Democrats. Patrick has bagged both Rs and Ds equally. I hope we get to have him for many more years to come because there still is a lot of work to be done here.

I can understand why the Right are happy about thi...

2008-12-09T18:40:00.000-05:00

I can understand why the Right are happy about this, but it's clear from their comments that they don't really understand current Illinois political allegiances.
In my fair State, the Sunni/Shia civil wars were entirely waged between Governor Blagojevich and Speaker Madigan - both strong Democrats. It's no joke or snide comment that I'm making when I say that the Illinois GOP, though stronger downstate, is almost a Third Party right now.
The Blagojevich scandal would have slightly bolstered Republican ranks right before this past election, but the only thing currently at stake is the same Senate seat that Barack Obama vacated. If it comes to a vote, Illinoisans won't be swayed to vote for a GOP senator. The Governor's chair is different. I could very well see a Republican manning the State again, should it come to a public vote, and I might even vote for one, given the candidates.
But all this talk about Obama and Blagojevich being all buddy-buddy is outsider-talk from naive political opportunists. I honestly mean this. Our Governor wasn't really seen as a Dem or Rep by the Illinois populace - he was hated before this scandal broke by the exact same folks that gave Obama a warm Grant Park sendoff. I should know - I'm one of them.
Unfortunately for the Republicans across the country who see a Senate opening for their Party, they aren't the ones who might be casting votes in a months' time.

Jack-be-nimble said...I hate to be an Obama whippi...

2008-12-09T18:33:00.000-05:00

Jack-be-nimble said...

I hate to be an Obama whipping boy, but I think he is done.

Two things:

1) You're an idiot, because you clearly don't know what a whipping boy is.

2) Bullshit; you're the same guy that was telling us white Democrats would never vote for a black man, and that all us "libtards" would be crying on election day.

By the way, how did that prediction turn out? Hm?

No, you love the idea that the Obama administration might just be as tarnished by scandal and controversy as his two predecessors. Here's the problem: "No Drama" Obama didn't play ball with Blago, didn't have shady deals with Rezko, and left Wright's church months ago.

You're all out of scandals, buddy. You're just gonna have to pray that he cheats on his wife; otherwise, we'll have 4 (probably 8) years of *gasp* governance by a president focused on discussing the issues with the American people and its leaders, rather than a daily barrage of tawdry rumors and prosecutorial allegations.

@Opus 132: If this is so,can Blago be convicted? W...

2008-12-09T18:21:00.000-05:00

@Opus 132: If this is so,can Blago be convicted? Was a crime committed?

Oh gawd, yes. There is enough fraud and other criminal malfeasance alleged in the complaint (and more than enough evidence, I suspect) that Mr. Blago will be a guest of the federal farm for a VERY long time. I believe Juris's comment pertained only to the question of contact between Blago and the Obama Advisor #1. But there is plenty more juicy stuff to nail him on.

If this is so,can Blago be convicted? Was a crime ...

2008-12-09T18:09:00.000-05:00

If this is so,can Blago be convicted? Was a crime committed?

There's a ~50 page complaint that outlines the specific charges and the evidence possessed by the US Attorney that establishes the required elements to secure conviction. Fitzgerald's a pretty smart guy (both legally and politically), so I don't think he would have sought the indictment unless he was confident that he could prevail in court.

Here's a link to the entire complaint (warning PDF):

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/09/complaint.pdf

Here is the first page which specifically identifies the USC:

Count One

From in or about 2002 to the present, in Cook County, in the Northern District of Illinois, defendants did,
conspire with each other and with others to devise and participate in a scheme to defraud the State of Illinois and
the people of the State of Illinois of the honest services of ROD R. BLAGOJEVICH and JOHN HARRIS, in
furtherance of which the mails and interstate wire communications would be used, in violation of Title 18, United
States Code, Sections 1341,1343, and 1346; all in violation of Title 18 United States Code, Section 1349.

Count Two
Beginning no later than November 2008 to the present, in Cook County, in the Northern District of Illinois,
defendants ROD R. BLAGOJEVICH and JOHN HARRIS, being agents of the State of Illinois, a State government
which during a one-year period, beginning January 1, 2008 and continuing to the present, received federal benefits
in excess of $10,000, corruptly solicited and demanded a thing of value, namely, the firing of certain Chicago
Tribune editorial members responsible for widely-circulated editorials critical of ROD R. BLAGOJEVICH,
intending to be influenced and rewarded in connection with business and transactions of the State of Illinois
involving a thing of value of $5,000 or more, namely, the provision of millions of dollars in financial assistance by
the State of Illinois, including through the Illinois Finance Authority, an agency of the State of Illinois, to the
Tribune Company involving the Wrigley Field baseball stadium; in violation of Title 18, United States Code,
Sections 666(a)(1)(B) and 2.

I haven't seen anything yet on what the sentencing guidelines are for these crimes.

Why the assumption that JJ Jr is #5? Emil Jones is...

2008-12-09T18:08:00.000-05:00

Why the assumption that JJ Jr is #5? Emil Jones is another possibility.

Doesn't strike me as likely. Blago seems to think that Obama would vociferously object to Candidate 5 getting the job, and Jones was Obama's mentor, so that would be an odd assumption for Blago to make (of course, if we've learned nothing else, it's that his thought processes are warped beyond imagining).

@opus 132. I was referring only the the Obama-rel...

2008-12-09T18:07:00.000-05:00

@opus 132. I was referring only the the Obama-related negotiation. That appears to have been merely theoretical. "If I do this for you what good will it do for me? What? Nothing for me? Well then fuck you." That's probably within the range of normal horsetrading in politics.

But the other efforts seem to have gone a great deal further, and significant sums of money were mentioned at least by Blago. Whether those constituted an "extortion" or whether some agents made an "offer of a bribe" will remain an issue in court.

@STepper? Your thoughts on this?

The snitch? My hunch is that somebody from the Ob...

2008-12-09T18:01:00.001-05:00

The snitch? My hunch is that somebody from the Obama team tipped off the FBI. If not, then who did?

Fitzgerald had to have probable cause to get a court order to set the wiretap. It appears that he got a whole series of phone calls, very early in the process. It's interesting that the Obama connection was #1. To me that suggests that this is what started the FBI surveillance.

Comments on FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: The Blagojevich Fallout

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Yo, Jack-be-nimble: "...because of the fear of a ...

Hey, Jack, it sounds like you're volunteering to b...

Jack-be-nimble said:I hate to be an Obama whipping...

While this is shocking news, I think most people a...

We saw it coming in Illinois but probably not to t...

If anyone from the Obama team tipped anyone, it wa...

NateLLooks like the Illinois legislature is not wa...

"There might be some precedent in the New Hampshir...

really? No one saw it coming?I though everyone sa...

Mark Kirk--the next Senator from Illinois.

Patrick Fitzgerald is the Elliot Ness of the 21st ...

I can understand why the Right are happy about thi...

Jack-be-nimble said...I hate to be an Obama whippi...

@Opus 132: If this is so,can Blago be convicted? W...

If this is so,can Blago be convicted? Was a crime ...

Why the assumption that JJ Jr is #5? Emil Jones is...

@opus 132. I was referring only the the Obama-rel...

The snitch? My hunch is that somebody from the Ob...

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