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2009-02-09T20:48:00.000-05:00

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2009-01-18T03:13:00.000-05:00

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2009-01-18T01:47:00.000-05:00

Down Syndrome, now Down's Syndrome. Sorry, I'm a f...

2008-10-16T14:05:00.000-04:00

Down Syndrome, now Down's Syndrome. Sorry, I'm a future special education teacher. And I agree that McCain obviously forgot what disability Palin's son has.

I can see it now. McCain reprsing Jack Nicholson a...

2008-10-16T05:03:00.000-04:00

I can see it now. McCain reprsing Jack Nicholson and Obama taking on as Tom Cruise with some artistic liberty:

McCain:I lost? Is that what this is? I fucking lost? This is funny. That's what this is. This is...
[lunging at Obama]

McCain: ...I'm gonna rip the eyeballs out of your head and piss in your dead skull! You fucked with the wrong Marine!

McCain: [contemptuously] You fuckin' people... you have no idea how to defend a nation. All you did was weaken a country today,
Obama, that's all you did. You put people's lives in danger. Sweet dreams, son.

Obama:Don't call me son.I just kicked your ass in the debate. And you, you're cronies, and lobbyists are out of the white house you lying self serving son of a bitch!

I recall those glasses of Daschle's from the *begi...

2008-10-16T02:18:00.000-04:00

I recall those glasses of Daschle's from the *beginning* of the primary--I'm sure there's footage somewhere.

I think Sen. Obama has improved at these events so...

2008-10-16T00:36:00.001-04:00

I think Sen. Obama has improved at these events so much since the primary season.

On second thought perhaps it is just the ineptness of his opponent. I know that I'm biased but I just don't think Sen. McCain has done a good job on any of the debates.

Nick Loucks: I am not so sure you really were joki...

2008-10-16T00:36:00.000-04:00

Nick Loucks:
I am not so sure you really were joking, since you tried to prove yourself by linking to an NIH study.
The thing is, women may be more emotive creatures, but what they bring to the table is undervalued anyway. What they have to offer is a positive thing and not a negative or irrational one.
Logic, justice, reason, these are our societies values, because Western philosophy is almost all male. But they aren't just logic, justice, or reason, they're very MALE logic, justice, and reason. Male philosophy asks questions like, 'Can I ever be truly giving or altruistic, since every kind thing I do results in some satisfaction for myself' and comes up with depressing answers that all human beings cannot truly be completely caring. The traditionally feminine thought process doesn't view things that way- since we're all interconnected, there's no judgment value placed on giving and taking. It's OK to get something out of giving. And so on and so on. Justice, reason, and logic themselves are defined subtly in male terms.
Frankly, female emotiveness, interest in connection with others, care and responsibility are LACKING in government, and we need MORE of it.

Obama was plenty logical, and McCain was illogical at times.
Women might be leaning Obama because they relate to his openness more than McCains tough talk and assumption of power. It's no surprise they support Obama on education and free choice, either- logically!

Women and people with different philosophies bring a ton of great contributions to the table. Obama is the new kind of person, not stuck in a 'male' or 'female' view, that we need. If he is elected, he and Michelle will represent possibly the first caring, sharing, equal, fully reciprocal couple in the White House.

-20 year old female for Obama

In one sentence McGrampa discussed how McFalin wou...

2008-10-15T23:51:00.000-04:00

In one sentence McGrampa discussed how McFalin would be an advocate for special needs children and in the next sentence he had a hissy fit when President Obama suggested we increase funding for research for autism. McGrampa = capital arsehole.

AxmxZ said... Autism, Down's Syndrome - a 'tard...

2008-10-15T23:50:00.000-04:00

AxmxZ said...

Autism, Down's Syndrome - a 'tard is a 'tard is a 'tard to Senator McCain.

I just choked on my drink. Well done.

JUSTIN:I was skeptical about Bill Clinton as well,...

2008-10-15T23:47:00.000-04:00

JUSTIN:

I was skeptical about Bill Clinton as well, until I saw him last Sunday speaking at Virginia Commonwealth University. He was comfortable and advocating change, particularly Barack Obama. I won't say that he is 100% gun-ho... it is a tough loss to accept, but President Clinton played the role well and I was impressed by his speech. I'm sure there are links on YouTube.

Bill Bennett is such an idiot...i love how the pol...

2008-10-15T23:46:00.000-04:00

Bill Bennett is such an idiot...i love how the polls completely disgraced him...this election is OVA!!

It's actually 53% for the next POTUS, and 22% for ...

2008-10-15T23:13:00.000-04:00

It's actually 53% for the next POTUS, and 22% for McCain:

Link to the final nail in McCain's electoral coffin

Did anyone else notice how John McCain used airquo...

2008-10-15T23:11:00.000-04:00

Did anyone else notice how John McCain used airquotes and was generally very dismissive while talking about women's "health". This was more than a cringe worthy moment for me. I don't think it's being talked about enough.

I had pretty low expectations for this debate and ...

2008-10-15T23:10:00.000-04:00

I had pretty low expectations for this debate and thought it would just be a warmed-over rehash of the previous two, but I'm glad to say I was pleasantly surprised by it.

I thought Schieffer's questions were thought-provoking and required candidates to state their positions clearly and that the format actually allowed enough give and take for real debate.

I thought it was the most substantive and useful one of the campaign and really showed the contrast between the two options people have. Everything from policy, temperament, judgment, their vision of what's important and relevant to the American people and intangibles like body language were all on display here.

For my taste I'm Obama all the way, but there were issues on which I either agreed with JMc or at least got his point as a valid counterpoint to Obama's.

Given how crappy that could have been I thought it went really well. Kudos to the organizers, moderators and candidates.

side note: I need this election to happen already so I can get my life back. I'm wound up so tight wanting BHO to win that I fear I might just start leaking fluids once the results are clear on election night.

CBS Instant polling of uncommitted voters shows 53...

2008-10-15T23:07:00.000-04:00

CBS Instant polling of uncommitted voters shows 53% believe OBAMA won tonight vs. 24% who think McCain did.

Olbermann just referenced it; I'm sure it will be linkable soon.

This wasn't a McCain win.

This wasn't a tie.

This was Barack Obama pwning an out of touch old man.

I'm a big Obama supporter, but McCain came out ver...

2008-10-15T23:06:00.000-04:00

I'm a big Obama supporter, but McCain came out very strong, and most people turned off the TV 30 minutes in. This was a win, although a small one, for McCain.

>>Bill Bennett is officially the 2nd biggest prick on the planet.<<

I thought that was obvious when Harvard Law grad and Philosophy PhD Bill Bennett went after Obama for elitism.

President Obama indeed. No more incoherent policie...

2008-10-15T23:00:00.000-04:00

President Obama indeed. No more incoherent policies and angry politics, please.

Thanks guys! And I hope you're feeling better Nate.

McCain did okay, Obama did very good. Not a tie, b...

2008-10-15T22:57:00.001-04:00

McCain did okay, Obama did very good. Not a tie, but close...but when McCain needs an absolute moonshot- it is a very good night for Barack Obama.

This typical comment thread at FiveThirtyEight is ...

2008-10-15T22:57:00.000-04:00

This typical comment thread at FiveThirtyEight is beginning to resemble the debate at @ 9:36 EDT.

Sorry, Nick! Thought you were serious.It's a good...

2008-10-15T22:56:00.000-04:00

Sorry, Nick! Thought you were serious.

It's a good place for humor, but we get some really dopey trolls sometimes.

An important part of being the American president ...

2008-10-15T22:55:00.001-04:00

An important part of being the American president is to be calm & cool and professional during a crisis. Obama can easily do that. McCane? He'd probably lob nuke missiles at a country that makes him mad! McCain would be DANGEROUS as the president.

"McCain/Palin 2008!No more planetariums!"Or aborto...

2008-10-15T22:55:00.000-04:00

"McCain/Palin 2008!
No more planetariums!"

Or abortons or fat people!

"although Obama's "Americans are cynical" is going...

2008-10-15T22:54:00.000-04:00

"although Obama's "Americans are cynical" is going to come back to bite him."

I don't think so ... Obama said Americans were cynical about politics, and implied that it was negative politicking that made them so.

The polls, specifically yesterday's CBS/NYT poll, pointed directly to said cynicism.

Hate to say it, but this one was a McCain win. Fi...

2008-10-15T22:52:00.000-04:00

Hate to say it, but this one was a McCain win. Fiesty and playing to the center. Game changer? Probably not, but enough (unfortunately) to make the last 3 weeks interesting. McCain stays in the game, reverses the Obama trend and remains a threat.