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Nate, who wants to remain loyal to Obama and not b...

2008-12-02T13:47:00.000-05:00

Nate, who wants to remain loyal to Obama and not blame him for Prop 8, ignores the mass of polling data which indicates that Black and Latinos do indeed tend to disapprove of homosexuality. The senior citizen effect is definitely bigger, but there's no denying that gays have an image problem among racial minorities.

I think there is a very strong case for the Cali S...

2008-11-24T06:44:00.000-05:00

I think there is a very strong case for the Cali Sup Ct to overturn Prop 8 since it violates the equal protection clause, the principle of separation of powers and the court's role in a constitutional democracy. Such a radical change cannot be done through the initiative process but requires to go through the stricter revision process. Prop 8 may well be found unconstitutional and declared null and void.

here's the google link too:http://video.google.com...

2008-11-19T13:12:00.000-05:00

here's the google link too:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8067173759842565597

Hot Lezbos in Action Video Blog responds to homoph...

2008-11-19T13:11:00.000-05:00

Hot Lezbos in Action Video Blog responds to homophobia in POC communities and racism in queer community:

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=46733313

it's really disturbing to see the level of homophobia and racism increase at an alarming rate due to the fact that this issue continues to be framed as one between gay white men and straight black people.... please view, comment, and share our perspective on the video blog below:

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=46733313

Forgot to say: Thanks for info, finally.And pleas...

2008-11-18T15:41:00.000-05:00

Forgot to say: Thanks for info, finally.

And please stop assuming (it makes an ASS of U and ME).

EXCUSE ME: Looks like you are prejudiced (holding ...

2008-11-18T15:38:00.000-05:00

EXCUSE ME: Looks like you are prejudiced (holding a view that is pre-formed and not based on fact)-YOU ASSUME that I believe my "biblebeltin preacher" and all they say, when I don't even belong to any religion or believe any preacher. I base my views on facts or as many as I have. That fact that iI am even responding on this website should have given you a clue that I may be open-minded enoough to listen to what others say. Right now it's mostly OPINION/BELIEF VS. OPINION/BELIEF. Most persons don't have any idea about the scientific literature available about gays. Neither do I because you guys (those who supprt NO on 8) keep it secret?? Why? People might change their mind if they knew the facts. If you guys were to base you arguments more on FACTS than EMOTION you would have perhaps gotten more people to support NO on 8. At any rate most likely this issue will resolve when the next generation grows up as the younger generation is more open to gays as they around them more and see their lifestyle as another choice.

P.S: As a matter of fact I do have a few gay friends.

IGNORANCE:That defines u gay haters Do you ever re...

2008-11-17T21:08:00.000-05:00

IGNORANCE:That defines u gay haters Do you ever read? NO..on what bathroom wall did u receive your education? Probably in your preachers...YOu base your bigoted views on opinion i base mine on science..not the book of fairy tales...
GAY IS GENETIC..People have no choice..bisexuals have feelings both ways and can act either way...Heteros like the oppostie sex..Ok theres biology lesson but thats a science so you wouldn't know anything about that because your biblebeltin preacher doesn't know facts...

X marks the spot - possible genetic link to homosexuality found on the X chromosome - 1993 - The Year in Science
Discover, Jan, 1994 by Rosie Mestel

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BACK IN THE OLD DAYS, DEAN HAMER, A MOLECULAR BIOLOGIST AT THE NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE, STUDIED THE METALLOTHIONEIN GENE (IF YOU MUST KNOW, IT'S A GENE FOR A PROtein that mops up toxic metals in your body). But that's not only he appeared on Nightline last summer. Hamer now studies sexual behavior, and he'd found a genetic link to homosexuality--one apparently inherited by sons from their mothers. Freud, it seems, may have been right in ways he never imagined.

The first clue to the mom link came when Hamer studied the families of 76 gay men and found that uncles and male cousions on the mother's side were more likely to be gay than those on the father's side. That suggested a gay gene or genes might be sitting on the X chromosome, which boys get only from their mothers.

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Hamer then turned to 40 pairs of gay brothers, sampled their DNA, and scoured their X chromosomes for any regions they had in common. In July his team announced that they'd found one such site--shared by two-thirds of the brothers--at the chromosome's bottom end.

This doesn't necessarily mean that a gay gene is hiding there. Hamer's results must still be verified--many gene-behavior links haven't stood the rest of time. Next, researchers must actually find the gay gene (or genes) in a stretch of DNA that could hold as many as 100 genes; then they must figure out what it does. How, precisely, can a gene make someone gay? One possibility was suggested two years ago when neurobiologist Simon LeVay found that gays and straights differ in a brain region called the hypothalamus, which controls sexual behavior. "In the simplest of all worlds a gay gene could encode a protein that controls the growth of this structure," says Hamer. "That would be cool." Still, such a gene couldn't be the only route to homosexuality, since one-third of the gay brothers didn't share the DNA piece that apparently contains it.

Meanwhile, Hamer and colleagues make no bones about what shouldn't be done with their findigs. They should not be used to discriminate against gays or "to try to assess or alter a person's current or future sexual orientation," they concluded in their Science study. That's a view gay-rights groups heartily endorse. But not surprisingly, some people disagree. Even if there were gay genes, says Lou Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition, "we wouldn't condone homosexuality. We'd still need to correct it."

Yet studies like Hamer's may also help turn public opinion around. A recent New York Times poll found that people who believe homosexuality is inborn are more sympathetic to gay issues than those who think's it's life-style choice.

"This work has an impact on society," Hamer says. "There's intense public interest. I was not deluged by calls when we discovered the regulator of the metallothionein gene."

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http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm
Study: Genetic Link Between Homosexuality and Siblings' Number of Sexual Partners
A new study indicates that a person's homosexuality may be genetically linked to the number of sexual partners his or her heterosexual siblings have. The soon-to-be-published paper by the Queensland Institute of Medical Research in Brisbane, Australia, may explain how a "gay gene" can survive over time when gay people can't biologically reproduce, the Economist reports.

According to the magazine, Brendan Zietsch and his fellow researchers have found that gay people tend to have siblings with more sexual partners than average. If that's the case, a gay person's brothers or sisters may be passing on genes associated with both homosexuality and fecundity -- and thus besting natural selection.

The Zietsch study, to be published in the journal Evolution and Human Behavior, relied on a sample of 4,904 twins, not all of them identical, the Economist reports.

Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture in AllPsych Journal
In simplification, if the person's genetic code is heterozygotic (one homosexual gene ... of heterozygosity), this again links homosexuality to X-linkage. ...
allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages

Dowling College: ASC 128: Homosexuality and Genetics
Several genetic studies have been done that appears to genetically link homosexuality. Pillard and Bailey did a study on twins and homosexuals. ...
www.dowling.edu/faculty/Perring/wheelan.htm - 19k

NOW I CAN PUT UP HUNDREDS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDIES TO PROVE ITS GENETIC>>>WHERE AS YOUR PROOF IS YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF>>> WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK A LOGICAL PERSON WILL BELIEVE IS THe REASON SOMEONE IS GAY>>>
SO SHUT YOUR IGNORANT MOUTHS AND START READING SCIENTIFIC FACTS INSTEAD OF WHAT YOUR CHURCH TELLS YOU

It's possible that because we have more chemicals ...

2008-11-17T17:17:00.000-05:00

It's possible that because we have more chemicals in the environment nowadays that the hormone balance of humans is be altered (like frogs that turn female)and causing there to be more gays/lesbians than before. Then eventually this factor must be taken into account.
It is also thought that the environment soemone is brought up in is what causes people to be gay or lesbian then one can see why many persons are against same-sex marriage, because condone same-sex marriage would be like offering the choice to their kids. They think it is also a choice. Many persons experiment with same-sex sex becuase it's another way to try. What about bisexuals: they are then an abnormality? Technically hormones can and do vary in a person and from person to person. Perhaps we are changing "humans" by all the chemicals we have unleashed into the environment and therefore into our bodies.

No on Prop. 8 also uses myths to defend a "no" vot...

2008-11-17T16:34:00.000-05:00

No on Prop. 8 also uses myths to defend a "no" vote. Equal rights are not denied: the Dosmetic Partnership Act states that if you have a domestic partnership then you get the same benefits/rights as spouses of marriages. I agreed that the general public, including ambulance drivers, hospitals were not educated about what a domestic partnership is and this causes problems for whoever is availing of the rights of a domestic partnership. To solve this problem would mean educating the public of what a "domestic partnership" is. It is lack of awareness of exisiting rights not discrimination as such that is the problem.

Also, how can you have ever illegitimate children?? Together two gays or lesbians cannot procreate. They need donor sperm from a man or donor egg (surrogate mother) in order to have a child that is partly related to them. In could never be related to both parties involved in a same-sex domestic partnership - until technology develops a way to combine the genes of two persons with a third also or some other way. Adoption or children from previous marriages are legit. Besides nobody really cares if you are illegitimate anymore - you are just born to single mother. So the illegitimacy counter-argument is a fallacy!

The same-sex sexual act (for two men) is biologically unnatural and not even hygenic without the invention of condoms. It is a need to desperately fulfill a sexual urge. Just because it is possible to do it more hygenically with condoms doesn't make it more natural. Would more inventions to make it more hygenic make it it more "natural"?? Next people could try any other type of orifice, like the nose or ear. People already have oral sex. Even people/cultures were less advanced the only way they could have families was by procreation or adoption. These are the only natural ways. There was no marriage probably among primitive(cavemen)peoples. Marriage was created in order to protect the children and woman bearing the kids. It showed a commitment to care for their upbringing and not abandon them. Society created marriage for the good of society. Marriage wasn't even about love originally. Marriage is a definition that has been evolving. Love marriages is a recent invention only. Let us ALL think before we set the definition of marriage in stone either by including or excluding same-sex marriages. People in the US, (and around the world) need TIME to think about this. If pressed to support same-sex marriage then most likely they will vote Against it.

People can do whatever they want so long they don't hurt each other or others but that doesn't mean we have to condone it by legalizing it.

Also you are not denied the right to marry. It is just that you don't like the choice. We don't say to a man that you aren't allowed to marry a woman -- that would be discrimination. Vice versa for a woman's case. You are wanting to add something to the current definition of marriage -widening it. Comparing it to slavery is differnt because he/she did not even the right to refuse an available a choice - of being treated as an equal "human".

Perhaps if you ask for "marriage" w/o invalid counter arguments we might consider a No on Prop. 8. Respect us by not giving us silly counter arguments and give us time to think thoughtfully.

Perhaps if you ask for marriage w/o invalid counter arguments we might consider a No on Prop. 8

Being gay is not genetic, (except for a rare few):...

2008-11-17T16:31:00.000-05:00

Being gay is not genetic, (except for a rare few): what about those who are straight and liked it before they switched and became gay?? It has not been proven scientifically that being gay is genetic! if it has show me the evidence, please.

Even though I'm 55, I keep thinking that there wil...

2008-11-16T14:30:00.000-05:00

Even though I'm 55, I keep thinking that there will seriously need to be some thinning of the 'older vote' to change course. Of course, I'm pretty sure I'll be listening to Led Zepp when I'm 80 and beyond roaring around in my VW.

Richard, if you are claiming that Clinton's "Gays ...

2008-11-16T11:41:00.000-05:00

Richard, if you are claiming that Clinton's "Gays in the Military" stance had anything to do with the Republican's resurgence, you need to study history better. That was not a factor. Clinton did not have coattails and that made it hard to get anything done in the 1st two years, which worked against the Ds.
Obama's most important task will be to use his mandate and coattails to accomplish things quickly, so that Rs cannot regain a foothold. This means not being divisive and not trying to push overly ambitious bills through which the Rs will fight tooth and nail.
As to Jarl, understanding who voted for such a proposition in record numbers matters a lot. You need to know who needs to be educated. In the case of AAs, it is especially chilling given that they should understand civil rights more than most. They need to remember that their same religion justified treating them as less than human way back when. A preacher very similar to their own told white churchgoers long ago that mistreatment of blacks was God's will. We look back at that with horror as future generations will look back at this time's treatment of Gay people in horror.

I really agree whole-heartedly with what walt526 s...

2008-11-16T09:59:00.000-05:00

I really agree whole-heartedly with what walt526 said:
"So to Obama and the Democrats in Congress, please just focus the next four years on economic stabilization, energy policy, and healthcare. There's widespread support on those issues. In the meantime, appoint justices who will enact a progressive agenda. But tackling gay marriage head-on will only provide an opportunity for some idiot like Palin to take over in 2012."

I remember when Bill Clinton tried to take on the issue of discrimination against gays in the military...it was too early, and it led to a Republican resurgence in the next election (remember Newt Gingrich, anyone?). Timing is everything. I think the best move would be to refocus on this issue in Obama's second term.

I don't think it's an issue between races. I think...

2008-11-15T16:14:00.000-05:00

I don't think it's an issue between races. I think it's a religious issue. And like Nate stated, a generational issue. Most religions aren't tolerant and that is the problem. Personally, I think not allowing marriage is against the constitution which America has fought so hard to keep in a balance.

Suppose we could blame Prop. 8's passage on Africa...

2008-11-15T11:53:00.000-05:00

Suppose we could blame Prop. 8's passage on African Americans, Mormons, Catholics, fundamentalists, truck drivers, CPAs, landscape architects, whatever . . . what difference would it make? Going out and taking "revenge" on that group wouldn't change the law.

What we need is votes, not scapegoats.

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2008-11-14T20:08:00.000-05:00

democracy is when people vote the Democratic way

I read every comment on this blog and they are the...

2008-11-14T15:45:00.000-05:00

I read every comment on this blog and they are the most thought out I've ever read on any blog. If this ever gets to the US Supreme Court, please file a "friend of the court", since y'all make such great arguments. How many of you are lawyers?

Comments on FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Prop 8 Myths

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Nate, who wants to remain loyal to Obama and not b...

I think there is a very strong case for the Cali S...

here's the google link too:http://video.google.com...

Hot Lezbos in Action Video Blog responds to homoph...

Forgot to say: Thanks for info, finally.And pleas...

EXCUSE ME: Looks like you are prejudiced (holding ...

IGNORANCE:That defines u gay haters Do you ever re...

It's possible that because we have more chemicals ...

No on Prop. 8 also uses myths to defend a "no" vot...

Being gay is not genetic, (except for a rare few):...

Even though I'm 55, I keep thinking that there wil...

Richard, if you are claiming that Clinton's "Gays ...

I really agree whole-heartedly with what walt526 s...

I don't think it's an issue between races. I think...

Suppose we could blame Prop. 8's passage on Africa...

democracy is when people vote the Democratic way

I read every comment on this blog and they are the...

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