Comments on FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: On the Road: Troy, Ohio

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2009-02-09T06:09:00.000-05:00

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2009-01-18T04:09:00.000-05:00

My husband decided on a tactic for 'shy people' (a...

2008-10-16T11:51:00.000-04:00

My husband decided on a tactic for 'shy people' (anyone remember this from Prarie Home Companion). Anyway he spent $$$$$ on a bunch of signs. We were going to offer/distribute them just on our small residential street and we did just enough to balance out the McCain signs. But the bulk of the signs went, instead, to a large and very busy commute street. I was amazed how positively people responded. It was very rewarding. I know I know, it isnt as important as talking to undecided folks but at least its something.

My (also shy) daughter decided to use her art skills and painted a large Obama window mural for the dem headquarters in (rural) Marion, Ohio. The dem headquarters is thriving! in that traditionally red community. She merged his usual theme with the Ohio Seal! Was that similarity planned by the campaign. The fit is as perfect as OhioObama08.

The McCain office in Troy is closed on weekends be...

2008-10-13T01:59:00.000-04:00

The McCain office in Troy is closed on weekends because it's nappy time. Either that or the volunteer (singular) needs to run his/her errands on the weekend and has to lock up. ;-)

I'm so glad you wrote this about Troy because it h...

2008-10-12T21:16:00.000-04:00

I'm so glad you wrote this about Troy because it has become an extended neighborhood for our household. You see, my better half works as a RN at Upper Valley Medical Center in Troy, Ohio. She wears her Obama pins and have about 80% of her staff votes Democratic.

Imagine my surprise when she told me a few weeks ago of the opening of the offices for Sen. Obama in the heart of Troy. We both knew how conservative the place was, but for Obama to open an office there (let alone a black candidate to boot) was a major thing for the two of us.

We're doing our part here in the North Dayton Region for Obama (Huber Heights) and lets just say we'll turn this section of Ohio blue before long.

RWCYou 'cons really are dumb pieces of shit, aren'...

2008-10-12T19:44:00.000-04:00

RWC

You 'cons really are dumb pieces of shit, aren't you?

Tell me a scenario where someone would lie to a ROBOTIC POLLSTER about voting for obama?

In fact, as per the primaries, the REVERSE bradley affect will help Obama win NC and VA. The only states where the regular effect might show up is the rustbelt, where Obama is leading well over +10 in each.

Your the one who's gonna be cryin' like a girl on election night.

President Barack Hussein Obama. get used to saying it.

Great post. I'm a volunteer team leader for a sma...

2008-10-12T19:21:00.000-04:00

Great post. I'm a volunteer team leader for a small town in western PA. For all of you who live in blue states and would like to do something to help the Obama campaign besides donate money check out the Obama website. Link to "action" and you can call undecided voters in swing states. This helps people like me on the ground to meet our call goals. The website gives ideas about what to say, and you enter the information about the voter as you call - it couldn't be easier. Thanks for helping!

In my neck of the woods, the Clinton/Biden campaig...

2008-10-12T18:36:00.000-04:00

In my neck of the woods, the Clinton/Biden campaign tv coverage (from Scranton) event is just now starting on C-span.

Hey, I've been to Troy, OH. Nice place.

2008-10-12T16:50:00.000-04:00

Hey, I've been to Troy, OH. Nice place.

This blog is such a great read. I kind of wish the...

2008-10-12T16:18:00.000-04:00

This blog is such a great read. I kind of wish the election would go on forever if that meant getting to read these great posts about it.

What I truly wish to understand are if this grassr...

2008-10-12T16:11:00.000-04:00

What I truly wish to understand are if this grassroots work is putting the polls in Obama's favor NOW or are they still not being accounted for. Time will tell methinks, time will tell.

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2008-10-12T15:35:00.000-04:00

Hilary, Jill, Joe, Bill Rally in PA

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mc9cain said... Check out this chart that shows th...

2008-10-12T15:05:00.000-04:00

mc9cain said...
Check out this chart that shows the IQ average compared to how each state voted in 2004. Yikes.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/US-Election-IQ2004.htm
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I was surprised Florida finished as high as it did, considering Florida is ranked 50th in education by one ranking I saw 8 years ago. New Jersey was first. Also, this year Miami was named the stupidiest city in the country. They were also named for the second year in a row worst drivers in the country. (I think there is a co-relation there. Boston finished second for the second straight year in tworst drivers category.) Hialeigh finished second in the mid town category of stupiest city category. With all that stupidity located in the most populated area of the 4th most populated state, how did Florida's average IQ reach 98? ha
For the record, Seattle was named smartest city in that same study.

Top McCain adviser insults supporters: We’re not r...

2008-10-12T15:03:00.000-04:00

Top McCain adviser insults supporters: We’re not responsible for the ‘occasional nut.’

“I think there have been quite a few reporters recently,” said Mr. McCain’s closest adviser, Mark Salter, “who have sort of implied, or made more than implications, that somehow we’re responsible for the occasional nut who shows up and yells something about Barack Obama.”

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Nate, Sean:On Sundays, instead of visiting McCain'...

2008-10-12T14:57:00.000-04:00

Nate, Sean:

On Sundays, instead of visiting McCain's offices, please try going to some of the local evangelical churches to find out whether the canvassing is happening from there. I really want to know if the the organizational technique that helped beat Kerry is slipping below the radar this cycle, as well. Otherwise, another nice report.

KoolHerc73,Someone I know through another forum ha...

2008-10-12T14:53:00.000-04:00

KoolHerc73,
Someone I know through another forum has had her Obama sign stolen more than once, and came up with the following solution: She stuck small American flags in the ground surrounding the sign and also attached her own message to the Obama sign: "For every sign you steal, I will donate $50 to the Obama campaign." She has had no problems since. ;)

McCain could still win Florida: GOP CongressmanLin...

2008-10-12T14:45:00.000-04:00

McCain could still win Florida: GOP Congressman

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"McCain coming back"Joe, you keep saying that, but...

2008-10-12T14:42:00.000-04:00

"McCain coming back"

Joe, you keep saying that, but do you really want that to happen?

After all the BS Caribou Barbie and McCain have pulled over the past few weeks, do you really want him in the White House?

"Mr McCain will not be offered a cabinet job, but ...

2008-10-12T14:40:00.000-04:00

"Mr McCain will not be offered a cabinet job, but Mr Obama may ask him to spearhead a bipartisan overhaul of veteran's affairs, an issue close to Mr McCain's heart."

What a crock!

McCain has given the finger to vets every chance he gets. It is close to his soulless heart because he sees it as a drain from the government's stream of money into the pockets of the rich.

I agree with you guys. I agree that a good educat...

2008-10-12T14:28:00.000-04:00

I agree with you guys. I agree that a good education will make you much more open-minded. I'm just saying that a lot of Republicans don't think that way. Yes, a quality education teaches you how to think. But education can also indoctrinate you if you don't learn critical thinking skills at home.

I went to both public and private schools and my public school education didn't put much focus on critical thinking and analysis. Public schools put a lot in to teaching you how to fill out a form correctly. I went to an excellent university, but both professors and staff were openly political, which is fine, but it does influence the tone of a class. Professors have tremendous authority, and if you're not confident in your own political views, it's easy to be persuaded that you are wrong (of course, it's likely you are). A crappy college education teaches you that objective reality is a concept and morality is a word. That may be true, but it's an attidute that contributes to apathy and depression, neither of which are good for individuals or society.

Second, college is not for everyone. In this economic climate, going to trade school and/or learning a skill is a wise decision. In some cases it may show excellent analytical ability, discernment, and maturity. A lot of teenagers go to college because they don't know what to do with their lives or because they don't want to grow up and provide for themselves. Many of them aren't ready for college; some of them will never be ready. I was a great prospect for college, did very well, and got a top-notch education in a field that I love. But I'm likely to spend a large part of my life either poor and in debt or trapped in a job I hate. Wise decision? I don't know yet.

Again, I'm not supporting those Republicans who seem to view a great education as a personality flaw. I value my education and I'm glad I studied political science--I would have been a dreadful business major. I personally think that if you wanted to dramatically change the world, the best thing you could do was ensure that every child got at least a basic education. But it's arrogant and bigoted to presume that a political party is "better" because more college-educated people are a part of it. The principles of modern American conservatism have a long intellectual tradition and a solid logical foundation*. I disagree with it on several points, and the "base" of the Republican party may not often articulate it, but it's there if you have an open mind.

*Let's leave a discussion of modern religious/social conservatism for another time.

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2008-10-12T14:27:00.000-04:00

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> McCain, however, seems set in > the strategy tha...

2008-10-12T14:25:00.000-04:00

> McCain, however, seems set in
> the strategy that got him into
> this position with those same
> ideological groups.

What's the saying, "If you get in bed with the Devil, you'd better be prepared to ****."

McCain hitched his cart to the far right's horse when he picked Palin. He can not change now - all the other horses are long gone. In the words of Shel Silverstein, "Beware of being the roller when there's nothin' left to roll."

> I tend to agree that the country
> will not be served well by a
> collapsed Republican party.
> Perhaps I am a bit of a centrist
> but I do think a weak GOP is a
> bad thing.

The existence (and acceptance) of a "loyal opposition" is one of the most important pillars of a functioning democracy. It forces a modicum of debate and examination of the issues and moderates the decisions. When opposition becomes synonymous with "treason" (as so well-practiced over the past eight years), there is no debate, no moderation, and bad things happen.

Nevertheless, the Republican party has thoroughly disgraced itself and is riven by internal fractures as the traditional conservatives finally wake up to the yahoos and con-men with which they are in bed - see saying above.

After Obama gives them a good thumping on Nov 4, there will some heated back-room discussions at RNC HQ about future of the party. My prediction is that the moderate wing of the party, such as remains, will leave since they don't have the leverage to resume control of the party, even though it clearly has to abandon its more ill-considered policies. The Democratic party, if it can break free of the thrall in which it will hold itself, can rescue those lifeboats full of moderate former Republicans and cement its standing in the American electorate for a generation. If they do not, the lifeboat may come ashore in the land of the Libertarians or perhaps in an entirely unihabited territory to found a new party. At any rate, the remaining Republicans will hold on until they slowly rust away, another failed political party that spent too much time gazing upon its own beauty in the mirror.

great site and been following this for months now....

2008-10-12T14:23:00.000-04:00

great site and been following this for months now. my first post:

I lived in Youngstown, Ohio for 4 years in mid 80's. The steel industry was just devastated at that time. Haven't been back there but I love the place and its people. Any feeback from the Tri-State area (Pa/Ohio/WV) especially Mahoning county would make my couch potato life here in SoCal more lifelike ~!
Thank you guys.