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Fuck Texas

2009-01-17T11:55:00.000-05:00

Fuck Texas

Too bad Statler can't be as original as his muppet...

2009-01-17T07:23:00.000-05:00

Too bad Statler can't be as original as his muppet namesakes. But perhaps subconsciously he chose that namesake because he knows he is a puppet himself; driven by others completely outside his control.

Witness his projection on to me: He claims I "just can't let it go," that I must have the last word, when in fact that is his own emotion. He can't control himself. He is so obsessed with getting the last word, it doesn't even have to be communication anymore; just a repetition of the same boring phrase, from the same boring person.

As old as the Muppet Show is, I imagine Statler is a poor lonely old man clinging to the past, posting anonymously into thin air, shouting at the unfairness of it all, spraying others with his cancerous spittle.

Poor, pathetic Statler. A good representative name, though: An old man near the end of life, with nothing better to do than heckle the stage from the balcony. Too bad he doesn't have an actual friend like Waldorf.

So come on Statler, don't be shy. Don't be ashamed of your self-destructive obsession. Tell us what you really think!

Oh wait, I forgot. You can't really think, all you can do is vomit up the same thing time after time, like a child that thinks the victory is in having the last word.

It is not, the victory is mine, I have reduced you to senselessness. You can't argue with me because you know I am right, your own posts are filled with lies and I pointed them out, so here you are, left with nothing but curses.

"Fuck You" is a common last resort when sore losers give up the game. So give us one more, I'll take it as your surrender and admission that I am right, you are wrong, then you can stomp off the field in defeat and I'll laugh at you. Sound like a plan?

Fuck Texas

2009-01-16T12:56:00.000-05:00

Fuck Texas

Poor Statler. You should get an aluminum hat, Stat...

2009-01-16T11:58:00.000-05:00

Poor Statler. You should get an aluminum hat, Statler! Standing on the cyber-corner shouting at passersby. Now, that's the real America, folks! This is why we need universal health care, so people like Statler, suffering from overwhelming irrational anger, can get the help they need.

Fuck Texas

2009-01-16T10:32:00.000-05:00

Fuck Texas

@Statler: Well, see, now that's progress. I have l...

2009-01-16T07:47:00.000-05:00

@Statler: Well, see, now that's progress. I have left you empty and speechless, all you have left is your self-appointed, self-important catch-phrase.

So let me take the time to reiterate: I didn't make anything up, I drew an analogy between your demanding that welfare states "shut the fuck up" and pay-to-play. An Analogy. Based on what I see as an equivalence. You are basing people's rights to speak on whether they receive more or less money from the government. You are using wealth as a basis for controlling speech, or societal value, or the right to make their voices heard.

This indicates your fundamental failure to grasp the impact of equal rights for all, poor and rich alike. You don't even agree with equality; your position is not fundamentally different in any way than the states you are complaining about!

They claim they have better moral value, you claim they should shut the fuck up, because they haven't paid for the right to speak. Your view of the world has just as much inherent inequality than theirs does.

You can't just knock down their false claim that they speak for the real America; you end up essentially making the claim that only the non-welfare states are the real America. I'm not saying you wrote that, that is just how I see the essence of your demand that they should "shut the fuck up".

So, go ahead with your next Fuck Texas. Every post, you prove to readers you have nothing left but your pathetic anger and your security blanket of mindless repetition.

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2009-01-16T03:06:00.000-05:00

Fuck Texas.

2009-01-16T00:17:00.000-05:00

Fuck Texas.

Buddy, it looks like you can't let go. Just keep r...

2009-01-15T22:51:00.000-05:00

Buddy, it looks like you can't let go. Just keep repeating your lies, I'm looking forward to it!

You don't know what you are talking about; you have no idea what states I have been in, and again you claim you are just insulting a clod of dirt when in fact clods of dirt don't get government funds, people do. You are insulting people. And I didn't make ANYTHING up, you started out with an idiotic stance and YOU can't let go of it. So pout and scream and throw a fit. It won't make you any more right.

But you are just trying to get the last word in. Y...

2009-01-15T18:07:00.000-05:00

But you are just trying to get the last word in. You can't let go. You've never been to Maine, and I think most Mainers don't see the state they were born in as something that needs constant defense. This really is a phenomenon unique to states which advocate for the states' rights doctrine heavily, largely the South and a few states in the mountain West. It's not as common as you think.

You are being oversensitive and over defensive. And if you claim that the Texas I am associating with Texas is fictional, then I guess George W Bush is a work of fiction as well? Was he just some delusion the entire planet has been gripped with, of which only you were sane enough to escape? Karl Rove is just a figment of our imagination?

First you have to make shit up to attack me like this whole pay-to-play thing and then the freedom of speech thing and now you accuse me of being delusional? You're the same guy that thought the First Amendment meant nobody had the right to tell you to shut up. I assure you, your skills at fictional writing are far superior to mine.

Now, are you going to let it go, or are we going to do this back and forth thing where you make shit up in a pathetic attempt to defend the honor of a clod of dirt, or can you let it go?

Fuck Texas.

@Statler: And BTW, about that "Don't Mess with Tex...

2009-01-15T17:55:00.000-05:00

@Statler: And BTW, about that "Don't Mess with Texas" campaign: That is just an anti-litter campaign, you dolt. In the first five years that it ran, roadside litter in Texas declined 72% and the number of empty cans along Texas roadsides declined 81%. This was a fantastically successful ad campaign, and the bang for the buck was ten times as much as using law enforcement and fines. It totally blew away the previous "Give a Hoot -- Don't Pollute" campaign in effectiveness.

The author of that campaign was Dan Syrek. Don't Mess with Texas, Statler: We've got academic minds here that know a little bit about working the human psychology angle.

No, we cannot acknowledge that Sarah Palin had a r...

2009-01-15T17:53:00.000-05:00

No, we cannot acknowledge that Sarah Palin had a rough go of it in the media. The media bent over backwards to make her look good. She was appallingly... oh, I just don't have the energy anymore. The sooner she can sink back into obscurity, the better.

@Statler: I'm not trying to get the last word in, ...

2009-01-15T17:34:00.000-05:00

@Statler: I'm not trying to get the last word in, I'm trying to point out that you are not just stereotyping, but that your stereotyping is leading you to faulty conclusions, which you will not admit, because you prefer to be stubborn.

Your assertion is patently false; do you think Mainers won't take issue if you say Fuck Maine!? I think they will, because they don't think you are talking about a piece of dirt, "Fuck Maine" is talking about Mainers, and that means them. So they will say Fuck You back.

SO I don't believe you, I think you are misled by observational bias; you WANT to think only poorer states get touchy, so that's all you remember. Or perhaps those are the only states you criticize, and so those are the only ones you see getting touchy.

In short, you don't know what the hell you are talking about when you talk about Texas. You don't live here. I've been all over the country and our city denizens in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and Austin are indistinguishable from Chicago, LA, St. Louis, New York or a dozen other cities. Our small towns aren't much different than small towns anywhere either.

Whatever fucked up notion you have of Texas is based in fiction, not fact. And don't try to pretend that when you say Fuck Texas you are talking about dirt, you are talking about Texans, and that means you are talking about me.

Tony,We're gonna go back and forth on this for a w...

2009-01-15T12:13:00.000-05:00

Tony,

We're gonna go back and forth on this for a while. And all we're going to do is increase the amount of bullshit in the comments section. I have a problem with the Texas that presents itself to America- Land of Bush, Land of Pray-to-Play, Land of Family Values that keep people from forming families if they're gay.

I'm not a fan of the Don't Mess With Texas set. If that's not you, then I have no argument with you. That's the Texas we all see, and those are the people I've been ranting against.

You sit there with this wounded, "I don't believe he made fun of my home state" look on your face. Dude, it's a piece of land-which is essentially just dirt. Why do you go apeshit if anyone criticizes it? The only states that do this are the Sarah Palin states. Seriously. We get folks down here from all the world over coming to see the French Quarter, and I've met folks from places I can't even pronounce. Yet, the only ones that get touchy over people criticizing their home state are people from states that take more out in pork than they put in in taxes. They WHINE. Endlessly. 'The south shall rise again' my ass. The South can't get up off the couch and set the bag of chips down long enough to do anything.

You know, people are going to criticize you in life no matter where you go. get used to it. People bag on New Orleans when they come here to visit us, and I don't feel the need to run out in the streets and get in everyone's face that ever says, "hey. There's something wrong here". They could be right, they could be wrong. It doesn't matter most of the time.

Now, we can drag this out forever, and I can demonstrate my remarkable ability to post "Fuck Texas" after every one of your posts, and make this thread longer and longer and longer as we go back and forth, which each idiot trying to get the last word in, or you can just let it go.

My fight isn't with Ann Richards supporters. It,s with the George Bush/Rick parry crowd that we all see when we see your state, much the same way that people will see Wyoming as Cheney country no matter who else is from there. Lotsa people think Louisiana is Jindal country too, and for the most part, they're right.

So, it's not fuck you. It's Fuck Texas.

Got to say I've been a little surprised by her sud...

2009-01-15T11:43:00.000-05:00

Got to say I've been a little surprised by her sudden interest in revisiting the issue of media treatment this soon after the election. I thought that she was a bit more savvy than this. With all the other events happening here and abroad, this seems like a really self-indulgent and/or weak display on her part at this time. Especially with her dismal performances only months behind her.

I think this media-victim tactic might have been effective in conjunction with a larger strategy that had her lying relatively low for a while, and building some kind of quiet credibility. Working on policies and perhaps expanding her resume some. In short, a tacit acknowledgment of perceived shortcomings that I suspect would have played well with people beyond her base and may have allowed her to address her earlier media treatment with some new-found respectability and allowed her to drum up some sympathy.

This media=unfair-to-Palin tour only confirms most people's suspicions that she is not qualified for the office she sought, and that voting for someone else was the correct decision. I can certainly understand why the McCain camp "handled" her the way they did. Palin is starting to look more like a spoiler in the 2012 presidential primaries than a viable national candidate. That is unless the RNC is able to convince her to sit the next election out.

@Statler: I don't wear a hat. You're stereotyping ...

2009-01-15T11:33:00.000-05:00

@Statler: I don't wear a hat. You're stereotyping knows no bounds, apparently. I spent my one and only two-week honeymoon in Napa Valley and San Francisco. A beautiful place that was a lot of fun. If anything, San Francisco is freer than Texas, but it did not occur to me at the time to compare our "American-ness".

The places Palin refers to as the "real America" are the towns that fit her religious conservative values. Personally, if that is the real American, I prefer the fake America: I, and many, many others here in Texas, are atheist liberals. Perhaps we live in an oasis of unAmerican activity. Thank the fates for that.

When you say you are just as American as the places Palin lauds, you are saying you are just as religious, close-minded and stupidly conservative as any small town dumpling. That kind of fits with our conversation so far.

You see, I'M not the Federal government. The First...

2009-01-15T11:32:00.000-05:00

You see, I'M not the Federal government. The First Amendment says CONGRESS shall pass no law inhibiting free speech. Last I checked, I'm not Congress. Which means I have every right to tell you to shut the fuck up.

I'm telling you to take off that stupid hat, the one with the Don't Mess With Texas logo. Because you know what? Your state is messed up, and instead of fixing it's problems, you obfuscate with this wounded, "We're more American than San Francisco" attitude. You're not.

@Statler: Throw a fit. What a baby!I didn't put th...

2009-01-15T10:45:00.000-05:00

@Statler: Throw a fit. What a baby!

I didn't put the words "pay to play" in your mouth, I said what you advocate is the equivalent of pay to play. Read the comment, asshole. (Now you are an asshole; "a-hole" was intended as a friendly intensity reduction when talking about you, I used "assload" when talking about my own taxes. But subtlety is lost on ranting assholes.)

You are just obviously an idiot. How much states get is a matter of horse-trading and need; only an idiot would dispute that the national income taxes are identical everywhere.

And your invective IS equivalent to pay-to-play, because you want the people that pay less to "shut the fuck up". What else is that but suppression of free speech? Why not just say only white male land owners should be allowed to talk, they pay most the taxes after all.

I have yet to meet a Texan that says Texas is "more American" than other states. We say Texas is better than other states, and as for your Kinky Friedman reference, I have been in the room when Kinky said it himself.

BTW, if you actually attended one of his rallies, you would see pretty quickly that a Kinky government would be a disaster. Kinky was quite literally running on jokes and stories. He held a rally at my university which I attended, and although I walked into the auditorium with a very open mind, in about ten minutes he managed to close it. Among the group of six undergraduates with me, about half of them had the same reaction.

I am a fan of both Ventura and Franken, but they campaigned on serious policy with a dash of good humor. Kinky Friedman campaigned on nothing but jokes and stories. There were 30 professors in that room and a few hundred kids, and his whole bit was basically a twenty-minute stand up routine, complete with sound effects and music. I prefer out of the box independent candidates, he could have gotten $50 or $100 from me that day, but I am not giving money to a joker that can't even take his own candidacy seriously. I donated to the Democrat, as I always do. If we are going to lose, I'd rather my donation help build a party with a chance.

John, the only problem is that point #2 is exactly...

2009-01-15T10:16:00.000-05:00

John, the only problem is that point #2 is exactly the same one that the "birthers" state when talking about Obama's Birth Certificate.

The logic behind it, to "prove your innocence", is flawed. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

You/We need someone to openly state that Gov. Palin *didn't* have Trig, and so far, no one is doing that. ... So, for better or worse, this is as far as it goes. Idle internet speculation.

@john- like I said she is a narrowly social being....

2009-01-15T08:33:00.000-05:00

@john- like I said she is a narrowly social being. She would do very well in a pack of spotted hyenas. She seems to have an absolute lack of curiosity about the workings of the world around her because the social strategies she uses have been so successful in narrow social circle.

As far as I can tell she has absolutely no sense of humor- Her only remotely successful attempt was to correct Joe Biden during the debate by say " you have it wrong- It goes 'Drill baby Drill'". And that was the most offensive joke I heard during the whole campaign.

I am no fan of jokes like "Nailin Palin" but after that "Drill Baby Drill" and all the winking...

All the accusations of rough treatment always seem...

2009-01-15T05:49:00.000-05:00

All the accusations of rough treatment always seem to come back to Trig. Palin goes there again in the Zeigler interview. But there's a couple of reasons that story has legs.

1) Palin has shown herself to be a classic narcissist, with all the history rewriting and pathological lying that goes with it. So when she says "trust me, I'm his mother", people automatically think "oh yeah, like you sold the jet on eBay, or opposed the brigde to nowhere, or....". She simply hasn't earned any credibility.

2) She's offered no other proof beyond "trust me". Medical records would do it, but despite promises to make them public she produced only a letter from her doctor, a personal friend who has been cronyistically appointed to her current position by Palin.

3) The alternative to believing the blog rumors is to believe Palin when she says she went into labor in Texas, delivered a speech, drove past a hospital to the airport, flew to Seattle for a four hour layover, flew to Anchorage, bypassed the hospital there that had a neonatal ICU, and drove 45 minutes to a remote and relatively less resourced local hospital to have her baby with her doctor buddy and no-one else present, and then, after 24 hours of a fifth labour at 44 years of age (!!), had the baby electively induced a month prematurely at 4am. I mean WTF? See point 1.

So the story lives on. Palin could kill it stone dead any time she wanted, but she doesn't because she likes playing the "media victim" card, because (in her mind) that absolves her from legitimate media criticism, of which there is plenty. Imagine if she didn't have the Trig rumours to prove how nasty the media was. It suits her very well to have the story kicking along, "proving" that the media lie about her, so she lets it.

THOSE are the kind of skills that got her where she is today - not intelligence, but rat cunning.

Sure Palin didn't get good press, sure it wasn't ...

2009-01-14T22:25:00.000-05:00

Sure Palin didn't get good press, sure it wasn't fair. If the media were fair, Gore wouldn't have been painted as stiff and impersonal in 2000, Kerry wouldn't have been called "out of touch" in 2004. If the media were a fair arbiter, they never would have picked up the "swift boat" story in the first place, because it was an outright lie.

None of this stuff seemed to bother conservatives before it stopped benefiting them. Republicans seem to define Irony and/or Karmic Justice.

Sadly the media is run up by Humans. Humans happen to be petty, vindictive, fallible, and biased.
That is why the candidate that makes a better impression on the people in the media is the candidate that wins.

Tony,Look back over my comments and spell it out f...

2009-01-14T22:07:00.000-05:00

Tony,

Look back over my comments and spell it out for me where exactly I said anything about pay-to-play. Did I even suggest anything at all about policy?

I didn't, did I? You put those words in my mouth because you needed something to come back at me for daring to suggest that Texas and other conservative states did not have the right to claim that they are more American than states which actually pay their own way.

Nobody in Seattle is claiming that Washington State is more American than Texas. But ALOT of assholes (not a-holes, assholes) in Dallas are claiming that Texas is more American than Seattle, while they take lots of money from DC in pork to pay for projects they should be funding themselves with their own state taxes. Texas is a blood sucking leech that drains the federal kitty and then slaps the states that do pay their own way as unpatriotic.

I never insinuated that Texas and the other 'Whiny Bitch' states should be excluded from government. I have insinuated and WB States like Texas should shut the fuck up and quit claiming that their irresponsible, slovenly asses are better than the rest of us.

Fuck you, fuck Governor Parry, and most of all,

Fuck Texas!

If Texas had any sense at all, it would be Governor Friedman and not Governor Rick 'Suck DC Dry' Parry.

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Fuck Texas.

Buddy, it looks like you can't let go. Just keep r...

But you are just trying to get the last word in. Y...

@Statler: And BTW, about that "Don't Mess with Tex...

No, we cannot acknowledge that Sarah Palin had a r...

@Statler: I'm not trying to get the last word in, ...

Tony,We're gonna go back and forth on this for a w...

Got to say I've been a little surprised by her sud...

@Statler: I don't wear a hat. You're stereotyping ...

You see, I'M not the Federal government. The First...

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