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2009-02-08T03:41:00.000-05:00

I know I am a bit late on this, but I think that i...

2009-01-25T08:49:00.000-05:00

I know I am a bit late on this, but I think that in a lot of ways the speech was the least important part of the inaugaration. I think it wasn't the soaring rhetoric of the DNC 2004, or Iowa Caucus night, but I think that this was not the time for that, perhaps. I don't always agree with the 'campaign in poetry, govern in prose' cliche, but I think that maybe this was a moment for sober realism and let the obvious symbolism of the moment deal with the enthusiasm bit. I think in his first few days in office he has done a pretty good job of showing what 'change' means.

And after all, Lincoln's second inaugural was the famous one, and FDR's 2nd inaugural was, save from the 'the only thing we have to fear is fear itself' line, much more memorable, in terms of setting out what the New Deal was all about.

And veryt quickly on term limits, I am against the...

2009-01-25T08:57:00.000-05:00

And veryt quickly on term limits, I am against them generally, and view that amendment as a mistake, but I think overturning it is troublesome. You would need the agreement of the sitting President that he would follow Washington's example and only stand for two terms. However I think FDR was right to run for a third term, as the time was not right for a change of leader, with the world plunging into war. If a similar moment was replicated now the sitting President would have no choice, and at a moment of international crisis would be pushed into electing an inexperienced and untested leader. (Which might or might not work, there is not always an Obama available.)

I wasn't wowed by Obama's speech either but though...

2009-01-24T00:57:00.000-05:00

I wasn't wowed by Obama's speech either but thought much more highly of it after hearing this commentary by Geoff Nunberg on NPR this evening...

http://tinyurl.com/dho7cf

Obama’s speech was much better than I expected or ...

2009-01-23T15:38:00.000-05:00

Obama’s speech was much better than I expected or hoped. With the exception of his speech on race, I have been more inspired by Obama's executive skills (yes, EXECUTIVE, Ms. Palin) in running a masterful campaign, than his speechifying, which I’ve found more flowery than substantive. But I was moved to tears when Obama told a giddy nation that come tomorrow the celebration would be over and the sleeves rolled up, and most important, that the Republicans are on notice that their era is definitively over. One of the criticisms of Obama is that he may be too conciliatory, too much of a pleaser (a la Bill Clinton) and that, as a result, his promise of change will become a pale, watered down version. What his inaugural speech said to me is that the Reagan revolution has gasped its last breath. Ken Burns’ analysis is my favorite. He said, “America’s history is entering its third act; the first was Thomas Jefferson who said all men are created equal, but really meant all white men who own property and are free of debt. The second act came in 4 score years when Abraham Lincoln said, ‘Look we really mean it.’ And it took another 100 years to begin the third act when Obama took the oath of office. When Obama talked about Hope during the campaign it was a passive idea, but in his inauguration speech that was transformed into a call for Virtue, which is the insistence of now, of action.” For me, Obama’s speech was a badly needed call for the nation to snap out of our destructive behaviors that became entrenched in the Reagan years.

I know it may not make 20 somethings thrill but he...

2009-01-23T00:40:00.000-05:00

I know it may not make 20 somethings thrill but he referred to founding principles in way not common these days, I especially liked the use of the old-school word "virtue" and the quote about rule of law and our "charter expanded by the blood of generations" as nod to the limitations of founders (such as slavery) but still, they left us something that could be expanded to others. And "Those ideals still light the world..."

I think these are important departures or should I say, returns, to themes that were prevalent in our founders quotes, especially the word virtue. Previously the founders use of the word virtue was so contrary to today's politics, but now its back.

In entertainment value, this speech was lacking, and I believe so many people were excited given the historic and thrilling nature of his swearing in, but I think Obama reveling in that with the crowd would have been wrong. Sorry guys, Obama can't take the oath and then start spraying champagne on everybody like the Red Sox Nation when they finally won.

I think the people that waited so long for an Obama to be president that may have dissapointed by the speech not hyping that aspect of the moment enough will be pleased in the long-term that Obama proceeded with dignity and responsibility of position, admitting our problems while still inspiring and call us to action, not by repeating how great it was he was elected but rather in a solid, workman, practical and still profound way that will be enduring.

I have never been thrilled with most of Obama speeches, especially disliked his 2004 Dem Convention speech as it seemed chiding and he does tend throw black people under the bus when pushing railing on themes like homophobia, personal responsibility... But this speech, I liked, it will wear well. The only lack was no nod to Hawaii or Native American people, in no direct or vague way, while he refereed to settling the west. He covered other things really well.

Hearing the President say, "true to our founding d...

2009-01-22T19:35:00.000-05:00

Hearing the President say, "true to our founding documents" is enough for me feel joyous and celebrate.

In my mind, the biggest pro and con of term limits...

2009-01-22T16:06:00.000-05:00

In my mind, the biggest pro and con of term limits at the national level is this.

Pro: No lame-duck syndrome. A presidnt can govern effectively and with legitimacy for nearly his entire term. He's also motivated by the fact that he can't get a free ride and has to earn reelection again.

Con: In the age of knock-em-down, drag-em-out bonanza campaigns, a president would be campaigning every two years, possibly undermining his effectiveness.

In large national elections, where the stakes are so high, term limits don't make as much sense as they do in smaller offices where people don't know much about the candidates that are available. People know the president, his accomplishments and failures are oftentimes tangible and more than any other office, the people would be most effective as the defacto term limit for the office of the president.

Taft, great line!"If the speech sounded too much l...

2009-01-22T10:24:00.000-05:00

Taft, great line!

"If the speech sounded too much like a laundry list to some people, maybe that's because we've just suffered through one of the dirtiest administrations in history."

Yes, it's time to wash all the dirt away with very strong cleansers and hang the laundry up to dry under the wholesome disinfectant of direct sunlight.

TAFTI agree about that. The IND #'s are really wh...

2009-01-22T02:31:00.000-05:00

TAFT

I agree about that. The IND #'s are really what is important to track since this election once again proved that in the end the party base stays at home with their candidate [about 40%] and the real play is where do the INDs swing to ?

sad part is the truth that Obama knows that even a slightly disappointed DEM base [like me] will almost be guaranteed to vote for the top of the ticket regardless of enthusiasm when it comes right down to it

so he is playing to what he sees as the mushy centrist middle/INDs rather than the liberal progressive base

smart politics IF he can hold onto them - but they are extremely fickle & their support is 'soft'

DCMThank you. 31% more hopeful R's and 57% more ho...

2009-01-22T02:08:00.000-05:00

DCM

Thank you.

31% more hopeful R's and 57% more hopeful Indies sounds like a good number for Obama. You'd expect a fair number of R's to claim to be less hopeful every time Obama opens his mouth, regardless of what he says. Take Edge, for instance... please.

Personally I'm hopeful that 1% of the population are less hopeful that they'll be able to control more of everything than they already do. If that's what they thought they heard Obama say, I think they're right and I couldn't agree more.

TAFTthe poll results are @http://www.gallup.com/po...

2009-01-22T01:22:00.000-05:00

TAFT

the poll results are @

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113920/Tuned-Inauguration-Happened.aspx

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'Democratic Enthusiasm'

Democrats show an extraordinarily high degree of enthusiasm around this year's inauguration, with 74% saying they watched or heard it live, 71% rating Obama's speech "excellent,"

and 91% reporting that the day's events made them feel more hopeful about the next four years...

GOPers

Today, while Republicans are decidedly less positive than are Democrats about the 2009 inauguration, few Republicans are negative in their reactions.

Half of Republicans watched or heard the inauguration live.

And while just 14% of Republicans who heard or saw Obama's speech rate it "excellent," another 41% consider it "good."

Also, slightly more Republicans say they are more hopeful than less hopeful about the next four years, 31% vs. 27%.

INDS

Independents generally fall between the two partisan groups in their reactions to this year's inauguration, although they are no more likely than Republicans to report having tuned in live.

Fifty-two percent of independents say they watched or heard the inauguration ceremony as it happened, 36% rate Obama's speech "excellent," and 57% are more hopeful about the future.
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there is some of the partisan demo data that shows quite a gap as expected

but wish they had split out those who really watched the event from those who saw some of it later or read about it, etc...

How about a poll of those who didn't vote for Obam...

2009-01-22T01:05:00.000-05:00

How about a poll of those who didn't vote for Obama?

I'm not sure it matters what anybody else thinks about it. It's about how many people are willing to give change a chance, as opposed to those who would go down with the ship out of misplaced loyalty to the death machine (as embodied by Dick "Dr. Strangelove" Cheney).

GALLUP pollingon the speech was mixed...60% of the...

2009-01-22T00:16:00.000-05:00

GALLUP pollingon the speech was mixed...

60% of the population watched it live - but they included everyone in the results so that dilutes the appraisal but:

46% rated it 'excellent'
47% rated it either 'good' or 'just ok'

but 20% more of the population watched in 2009 as compared to 2005 when:

25% rated Bush's as 'excellent' [can you imagine ?]
57% rated Bush's as 'good' or 'just OK'

so that extra 20% this year all seemed to end up in the 'excellent' category...

but these #'s are marginal in value imo since the population was not controlled

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I was extremely impressed with Obama's speech. He ...

2009-01-21T23:16:00.000-05:00

I was extremely impressed with Obama's speech. He wasn't just trying to rally or thank the faithful any more. Those who have supported him thus far don't need any more inspiration. Instead, he was enumerating his beliefs and positions as succinctly as possible so that history will know where he stands and what his goals are.
If the speech sounded too much like a laundry list to some people, maybe that's because we've just suffered through one of the dirtiest administrations in history.

Clinton would have beaten GW Bush into a pulp. Can...

2009-01-21T22:46:00.000-05:00

Clinton would have beaten GW Bush into a pulp. Can you imagine him debating GW?

I consider term limits undemocratic. People should be able to choose the candidate of their choice, even if s/he has already served for two terms. Long service doesn't make a president a dictator; a supine Congress, as in the last 8 years, does that.

Nate--Totally disagree with you. For one, sober mo...

2009-01-21T22:32:00.000-05:00

Nate--
Totally disagree with you. For one, sober moments call for sober messages. Second, tough times call for us to be told that we are, as Winston Churchill said it, "not made of sugar candy". Obama, in short, said it is a tough time, but we are Americans and we can do it.

There was only a little FDR--see the part about money changers in the Temple (also in the Bible). Much more striking is how closely related the speech was to Reagan's in 1981. Same tough economic times, same call to action, same call that we can do it because we are Americans. The main difference, of course, was who was to blame: government (RR) or us and the money changers (FDR and Obama). But both called for us to be responsible and to get the j-done.

I thought, all in all, a tremendous speech that had accomplish a lot and did so.

It was very funny to watch the evolution of Edge's...

2009-01-21T22:31:00.000-05:00

It was very funny to watch the evolution of Edge's conspiracy theory from

>>"It's still on the back burner for the moment and something we likely won't see until Obama's second term ... There's a behind-the-scenes groundswell of support"
to
>>"More stuff about eliminating term limits. I don't like this one bit." [5 minutes later]
to
>>"It's almost a given."
all in the space of less than two hours. My goodness but the vast left-wing conspiracy moves fast!

Of course, despite what Edge says
>>"If it becomes law via the Constitution, then it takes effect immediately."
when the amendment takes effect is generally spelled out in the Amendment... see for example, the 20th and the 22nd, which are two of the ones that have modified Presidential succession.

Regarding Presidential term limits: when Republica...

2009-01-21T22:26:00.000-05:00

Regarding Presidential term limits: when Republicans were proposing repeal of the 22nd amendment in the 1980's, I was of the mind that amending it to a three-term (or 14 year) limit would be reasonable. I thought it then, and I still think so now. It would be good for a president who is elected to a second term not to be considered a lame duck. The demands of the office and the difficulty in maintaining popularity for eight years would still cause most presidents to step down after two terms.
Given Reagan's failing health, Clinton's scandal and W's failures, I'm not sure any of them would have run for a third term. Clinton would have been the most likely of those three to have tried.

yep!! wish and pray God that our efforts could get...

2009-01-21T22:25:00.000-05:00

yep!! wish and pray God that our efforts could get the spirit of US back!!

This speech was a B+Not Obama's best speech. I mu...

2009-01-21T22:24:00.000-05:00

This speech was a B+

Not Obama's best speech. I much preferred his race in America speech (which he did write himself)

FWIW, Barack took the oath of office a second time in the map room.

Roberts: "are you ready to take the oath, Mr. President?"

Obama: "Yes I am, and we're going to go very slowly."

:D

Susan Weston said...He got it right.I totally agre...

2009-01-21T21:56:00.000-05:00

Susan Weston said...
He got it right.

I totally agree.

If the speech by President Barack Hussein Obama (get over it trolls) had been joyous and soaring, the fascist right would right now be saying 'he doesn't get it'. That comment would either be that they finally admit little bush's Presidency was a failure (unlikely to the utmost), or setting everyone up for their future argument that he came in with a fancy speech, not realizing that the fascists will blame every current and future calamity (be it economic, terrorism, etc.) on him not being prepared to be President.

By being sober, and pointing out a lot of the problems we currently face, President Barack Hussein Obama (you heard me trolls - GET OVER IT) let everyone know he realizes the mess we're in, and is a realist that government is not the total answer, but that the citizens of the US must also participate in getting us out of all these messes.

President Barack Hussein Obama (trolls, see above) also warned others who might want to do harm on the US (or certain sectors of the US) while we appear to be down (and some would say almost out, aka trolls) that although we have some problems, anyone who thinks they can take advantage of those problems should reconsider. And that warning was not just to foreign foes, but to domestic and internal foes.

The core message: a grown-up America can and will ...

2009-01-21T20:11:00.000-05:00

The core message: a grown-up America can and will achieve great things, starting with cleaning up the current wreckage.

The subtext: The previous administration did not address the real dangers, and they did not bring real strength. They misunderstood history and breached our core values. They were not grown-ups.

The medium to match that message: sober prose, well written but without flights of poetry.

He got it right.

For those of us who came for soaring joy, we get Aretha! Air and Simple Gifts! 2 million on the mall! The first lady dancing in the parade stand! Beyonce! White tie! White Dress! At last!

But the President got the speech right.