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Sweet Georgia Brown said that Bob Barr lost his re...

2008-07-24T18:40:00.000-04:00

Sweet Georgia Brown said that Bob Barr lost his republican primary in 2002 after the voters of Georgia rejected him. Somewhat true. They weren't on course to reject him two weeks before the election when a poll had him leading John Linder 45% to 42%. The Libertarian Party then started airing what the Washington DC's National Journal called "the most dramatic political ad of 2002". Barr lost the election 64% to 36%. He went from leading by 3 percentage points to losing by 28 percentage points. In that ad my dying wife identified herself as a multiple sclerosis patient who used marijuana as medicine and that Bob Barr wanted her in jail for using her medicine. "Why would you do that to me...Bob"? The voters of the 7th district of Georgia rejected his medical marijuana stance, not him in general.

He is said to have changed his mind on medical marijuana as a states' rights issue, but has thus far has failed to acknowledge that marijuana is good medicine for some sick and dying Americans. One can only wonder why, as it is an issue with 3 to 1 support at a minimum. If he has discovered that medical marijuana patients have been telling the truth all along, he should say so. Now THAT would get him some free press.

Are Bob Barr and Pual thinking about teaming up? ...

2008-07-21T14:20:00.000-04:00

Are Bob Barr and Pual thinking about teaming up? I think they should. You can sign the petition at

http://www.BarrPaul08.com

or you can go to this site and participate in the polls and sign the petition

http://www.BarrRoot.com

the movement is growing, PUT PAUL ON THE TICKET!!! SAVE THE COUNTRY!!! YEAHH

@AlexS: Shouldn´t Barr be for more immigration?...

2008-07-20T22:07:00.000-04:00

@AlexS:

Shouldn´t Barr be for more immigration? After all, it would decrease wages and should make the american worker more competetive, either legal or illegal. (slightly ironic)

Nothing ironic about it. Many Libertarians would argue that the only truly consistent position is open borders. I don't go quite that far, at least not overnight, but in general I think a permissive immigration policy is consistent with libertarian ideals.

I'm still planning to vote for Barr (unless my state is both close and likely to swing the election, which is pretty absurd) but I'm disappointed to hear about those flyers. Sounds like he's just trying to attract various anti-immigrant rabble, but I haven't seen them in context so I don't know.

OTOH, I think it's a consistent libertarian position to say that we can't accept immigration if it's only going to put more of a burden on the statist welfare system.

"AZ+2, TX+2, FL+3 EV after new census. At the expe...

2008-07-20T18:27:00.000-04:00

"AZ+2, TX+2, FL+3 EV after new census. At the expense of MI, IL, NY, PA due to illegal immigrants being counted."

I don't know, quite a lot of legals are moving into those first 3 states too, and the last 4 are growing very slowly (Michigan had a net loss of population last year.)

Ohio will also probably drop to 18 EVs but I hope they can only drop one to 19--it will be tough because they only gained ~4000 people each of the last 2 years, and may have a net population loss in '08 and/or '09 with the state economy sliding.

Barr's web site claims he has raised less than $50...

2008-07-20T14:20:00.000-04:00

Barr's web site claims he has raised less than $500,000 so far with a plan for $750,000 by August 1. Even if he can get another 750k each month until the election, he'll have only 3 million for the campaign much of which will have been spent on ballot access drives and lawsuits.

Even if he can increase his fund-raising by by a factor of 3 or 4, the resulting money will be a trivial expenditure in a national campaign. His only real shot for public exposure is free media time for a gaff, staged events or a meltdown by McCain.

The few polls that include Barr show that he does gain something on the immigration issue but his better shot is over surveillance since the Republican candidate is so closely tied to our national security and military-industrial regime. Obama didn't help himself here either with the FISA vote.

McKinney has already been arguing she's the only r...

2008-07-20T12:27:00.000-04:00

McKinney has already been arguing she's the only real AA in the race - she could pull more from BO than the msm has considered

With all the buzz here in Atlanta about Barr in th...

2008-07-20T12:11:00.000-04:00

With all the buzz here in Atlanta about Barr in the race taking votes from McCain in GA, I'm wondering if McKinny won't balance that out by taking votes from Obama.

Wish I was in Austin, I'm promising myself not to miss another one of these. Thanks for the report.

Bob Barr actually lost his REP primary in 2002 and...

2008-07-20T12:05:00.000-04:00

Bob Barr actually lost his REP primary in 2002 and turned into a Libertarian after the voters of GA rejected him.

According to the Almanac of American politics back then, Barr had no friends. I wonder why.

Barr showed himself to be particularly biased and ...

2008-07-20T11:48:00.000-04:00

Barr showed himself to be particularly biased and a true nutball as he drove the Clinton impeachment. Barr might be relevant in a few statres, but alot will be close so he could still swing things in particularly libertarian states in the south and west.

Who are the crazy repubs and dems who claim the po...

2008-07-20T11:46:00.000-04:00

Who are the crazy repubs and dems who claim the polls are way off for both candidates? They are very likely not off hugely for either, although you can argue the fringes.

Polls do get closer at election time, but the idea that a lead now is irrelevant is just stupid. To the repub guy above who thinks the lead now is irrelevant - if the lead now is irrelevant why have dems won a bunch of presidencies?

Pollster is not over-weighting the tracking polls,...

2008-07-20T11:44:00.000-04:00

Pollster is not over-weighting the tracking polls, and Obama is still going up. With all the issues, particularly with the Rasmussen tracker, I question its weighting.

Pollster Dates N/Pop McCain Obama Barr Nader Other Undecided Not Voting
ABC/Post 7/10-13/08 971 RV 39 49 2 5 3 2 1
Zogby/Reuters 7/9-13/08 1039 LV 36 46 3 3 0 12 -
CNN 6/26-29/08 906 RV 43 46 3 6 - 3 -
Times/Bloomberg 6/19-23/08 1115 RV 33 48 3 4 - 12 -
FOX 6/17-18/08 900 RV 39 42 2 4 - 14 -
Zogby/Reuters 6/12-14/08 1113 LV 40 45 3 3 - 10 -
CNN 6/4-5/08 921 RV 43 47 2 6 - 1 -
Zogby 5/15-18/08 1076 LV 37 47 3 4 - 10 -
Rasmussen 5/14-15/08 800 LV 38 42 6 4 - 11 -
Diageo/Hotline 4/30-5/3/08 803 RV 40 45 - 5 - 9 -
Zogby 4/10-12/08 1049 LV 42 44 2 3 - 9 -
Diageo/Hotline 3/28-31/08 799 RV 45 41 - 3 - 11 -
Zogby 3/13-14/08 1001 LV 44 39 - 5 - 11 -

other than really liking guns, Barr isn't in line ...

2008-07-20T11:06:00.000-04:00

other than really liking guns, Barr isn't in line with the far right. Multiple marriages, libertarian approach on too many things, etc. He left congress because he was going to lose his primary - he isn't popular in GA or anywhere else, which is why he only shows up in on-line polls with anything over 1% and has no fundraising to speak of

It would be logical for Barr to swing to the right...

2008-07-20T06:32:00.000-04:00

It would be logical for Barr to swing to the right. There are a lot of Republicans who are less than enthusiastic about McCain, especialy on illegal imigration.

Maybe it would be fun for Democrats to help him with signatures to get him on the ballot. Barr will split the Republican vote.

From Gallup's website"These results are based on i...

2008-07-20T01:22:00.000-04:00

From Gallup's website

"These results are based on interviews conducted July 16-18. In Friday's report, Barack Obama's support fell out of the narrow 46%-48% range it had been in for the prior 18 reports, and remains outside that range today. However, Obama had a stronger night in Friday interviewing and could inch back into that range with another strong performance tonight."

Well, at least it's about a poll.

Anonymous @10:40 PM:The federal court ruling in Oh...

2008-07-20T00:43:00.000-04:00

Anonymous @10:40 PM:

The federal court ruling in Ohio is not yet final, as the state may or may not appeal. The judge put his order on hold for 10 days to allow the Secretay of State to seek an expedited appeal. Therefore it is a tentative ruling, subject to change at a future date.

Until a final decision is made by the state to not appeal, or a higher court makes a final ruling if the state does appeal, it is not a certainty that Barr will be on the ballot.

As of TODAY, Barr is NOT on the Ohio ballot. He might be on or before July 28, when the judge's stay expires, or even later if the state appeals, but as of TODAY, Barr is NOT on the Ohio ballot.

BTW - the standard in Ohio is receiving 5% of the votes cast in the last general election, or petitions with valid signatures of .5% or more of the number of ballots cast in the previous general election. The Libertarian Party didn't receive 5% of the votes in 2006, thus needed to go the petition route. In May, they turned in about 6,500 petition signatures, but needed about 20,000. On appeal, the state may be on safe ground on number of signatures needed, but deficient on when the signatures are due.

If Clinton had managed to steal the nomination fro...

2008-07-20T00:39:00.000-04:00

If Clinton had managed to steal the nomination from Obama (something that technically still could happen) Bob Barr is who would get my vote.

Here is WaPo's report on Barr's appearance.AUSTIN ...

2008-07-20T00:18:00.000-04:00

Here is WaPo's report on Barr's appearance.

AUSTIN -- A second surprise guest at Netroots Nation 2008 is generating hallway buzz: Bob Barr. Yep -- that Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party presidential nominee, civil liberties advocate and former Georgia Republican representative.

Barr is in town as the featured draw at tonight's closing reception at the Right Online Summit of right-wing bloggers and online activists sponsored by the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, also ongoing today in Austin.

A third-party political candidate, Barr's visit to the hallways of Netroots Nation to mingle with progressive bloggers -- he bought a ticket, just like any other attendee, says a convention source -- shows him trying to try to reach out to folks on both sides of the aisle.

Ephus + others:Barr is not party-line Libertarian ...

2008-07-20T00:11:00.000-04:00

Ephus + others:

Barr is not party-line Libertarian on immigration but calling him anti-immigrant is a distortion. Here's his immigration page.

Ending government subsidies to non-citizens is the Libertarian platform on immigration (consistent with ending government subsidies to everybody). Barr's focus on border security and ending birthright citizenship is his own, but it's noteworthy that he wants to increase legal immigration and reduce the red tape. That is fundamentally at odds with an anti-immigration policy.

The Republican state convention in Nevada has been...

2008-07-20T00:09:00.000-04:00

The Republican state convention in Nevada has been canceled due to lack of interest.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/18/nevada-gop-cancels-convention-opts-for-conference-call/?mod=sphere_ts&mod=sphere_wd

Many Nevada Republicans support Ron Paul over McCain, and it will be interesting to see how much of that support transfers to Bob Barr (Barr has adopted many of Ron Paul's positions).