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2009-10-15T02:19:25.816-04:00

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2009-10-15T02:18:15.173-04:00

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Economists are ranked. That's so cute. I wonder ...

2009-05-31T16:58:37.253-04:00

Economists are ranked. That's so cute. I wonder what my weatherman's rank is.

Although to be fair pos 23 out of 1000 ain't bad.

when you say something would have "shocked and app...

2009-05-28T23:53:23.794-04:00

when you say something would have "shocked and appalled" your grandmother, it's a critique. especially when that person is also being critized as "being on welfare" not because it was true, (she wasn't) but because of her ethnicity.

it's also a half-assed-jump-to-conclusions critque as well, since Mankiw doesn't know all the facts about her. As a New Yorker, my thought was she seems pretty set. Also Mankiw didn't know her real estate which includes the condo she lives in and (I believe) a rental property in Brooklyn

How is this even being interpreted as a critique a...

2009-05-28T14:40:55.031-04:00

How is this even being interpreted as a critique against Sotomayor in the first place? It seems Mankiw is just making what is, more or less, a random observation followed by a lame anecdote regarding his Grandmother's financial habits.

I can't believe all the hardcore liberal ideologues are making such a big deal about this post in the blogosphere.

Chill out, Nate..

Whispers said: "Are you disingenuous or stupid?" ...

2009-05-28T08:12:37.821-04:00

Whispers said:

"Are you disingenuous or stupid?"

Well said my friend. Thank you for your efforts at trying to sustain the high level of discourse on this blog.

It really surprises you that Sotomayor would be commented on the day she is announced as Obama's pick? She's in the national news! People watch whats going on and then check things out. It doesn't exactly take a research team to find that info on her.

There is no "disingenuous or stupid" just because I don't have the same assumptions as you. Your assumption seems to be that "Mankiw operates with a right wing agenda, so anything he says about a liberal's SCOTUS appointment must be an attack!"

I am not there. And I don't see anything that is an attack in what he said. Try replacing "Mankiw" with "unknown economist X" and see if it troubles you as much.

I think your agenda overpowers your rational thought.

Mike in Maryland said: "If he's an economist, and...

2009-05-28T08:01:45.808-04:00

Mike in Maryland said:

"If he's an economist, and since an economist is concerned about the flow on money, he's making a value judgment."

Maybe here is where we are not on the same page. You seem to be confusing "values" in her bank account with "values" the moral issue. Economists often make observations about behaviors with no judgment about whether they are right or wrong.

whispers said... Um, yeah, a lot of us think it's...

2009-05-28T02:26:26.375-04:00

whispers said...

Um, yeah, a lot of us think it's reasonable to infer that Mankiw's intent in writing a negative blog entry about the woman who was nominated for the Supreme Court the day before is doing so because he opposes the nomination.

and

I am interested to hear what kind of alternative hypothesis there might be for the timing of Mankiw's comments.

Maybe Mankiw was observing the news and knew that Sotomaror was the odds-on favorite for nomination since about a week after Souter announced he was stepping down?

Maybe Mankiw (being an academic, follows the advice he gives to students to 'do your homework') composed and had ready to post some drivel on each of the perceived 'finalists', just waiting for the announcement?

After all, President Obama made the announcement Tuesday morning, May 26, and Mankiw posted his drivel after the announcement. He probably had something ready to post for all the people being bandied about as possible nominees. Since this one was so weak, I'm sure he had better material prepared if the nominee had been Granholm, or Napolitano or Sebelius.

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

George said: "While he is clear that his grandmot...

2009-05-28T01:58:13.849-04:00

George said:

"While he is clear that his grandmother would probably berate her for it, he does not,"

My grandfather would have found you to be a dishonest sophist.

I think at this point I should probably restrict my replies to people who admit that Mankiw was deliberately trying to smear Sotomayor. He didn't randomly refer to the hypothetical opinion of his grandmother as some kind of neutral observation. He didn't mock the low level in her savings account out of some kind of general comment on the low level of savings in America, while blithely being unaware of the importance the woman has in the national consciousness at the present.

Mankiw knew what he was doing. He thought he had stumbled upon some tidbit of information that would reveal Sotomayor to be a loose-spending liberal. He thought that was important. Presumably he also thought that disclosure of this information would reflect negatively on her candidacy.

I will not argue these points! They should be self-evident!But, in the bigger picture, all he has done is reveal himself to be an out-of-touch clueless fool.

Steven said: "To say that Mankiw is, by extension...

2009-05-28T01:50:45.813-04:00

Steven said:

"To say that Mankiw is, by extension, making a judgment regarding Sotomayer's qualifications to serve on the Supreme Court is unfounded conjecture, unless there are other statements that indicate that Mankiw is, in fact, opposed to her appointment for these reasons."

Double down on disingenuous!

Um, yeah, a lot of us think it's reasonable to infer that Mankiw's intent in writing a negative blog entry about the woman who was nominated for the Supreme Court the day before is doing so because he opposes the nomination.

One doesn't have to be a mind-reader to make that kind of inference. Similarly, I'm going to infer from your argument about Mankiw that you are yourself either opposed to Sotomayor, or just an argumentative pedant.

I am interested to hear what kind of alternative hypothesis there might be for the timing of Mankiw's comments.

"George said... It's a little comical how def...

2009-05-28T01:45:36.965-04:00

"George said...

It's a little comical how defensive Silver and his followers are on this blog. Nowhere in Mankiw's post is there any value judgement about Sotomayor's fitness for the Supreme Court. "

Are you disingenuous or stupid?

Why do you think Mankiw chose to compose a blog post this week on the finances of Sonia Sotomayor, if not to provide a comment on her fitness for the Supreme Court? Isn't the implication of his blog commentary to imply something negative about Sotomayor? Which would then translate into her fitness about her fitness for the Supreme Court.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, Mike. You're not disingenuous. You're just blinded by bias.

Or perhaps you're just one of these people who has followed a line of argument to where it led, without considering it in the larger context. In the larger context, it is ridiculous to make the argument that you are making.

If you read Mankiw's original post, you get the pa...

2009-05-27T23:33:42.334-04:00

If you read Mankiw's original post, you get the part that Nate left out:
"Sometimes readers of the paper think of the two groups as rich and poor, but that interpretation is wrong. Some people with low incomes manage to scrimp and save (I always think of my grandmother), and some people with high incomes spend most everything they earn."

With that part included, it is clear that Mankiw was simply giving a counterexample to the flawed idea that spenders and savers correspond to poor and rich.

To say that Mankiw is, by extension, making a judgment regarding Sotomayer's qualifications to serve on the Supreme Court is unfounded conjecture, unless there are other statements that indicate that Mankiw is, in fact, opposed to her appointment for these reasons.

George said... Mike in Maryland- Your post alone ...

2009-05-27T22:09:34.787-04:00

George said...
Mike in Maryland-

Your post alone shows some of the tortured logic you have to use to set up Mankiw as the bad guy.

George,

Did I misstate something?

I stated that Mankiw is an economist. You mean he isn't?

I stated that the Sotomayor nomination is a political act. You mean it isn't?

I stated that an economist commenting on a political appointment is a comment on politics by an economist. You mean it isn't?

I stated that many of the cases before the SCOTUS are economic, and brought up Justice Thomas' comments about ERISA cases as an example of economics being part of SCOTUS cases. Did Justice Thomas lie?

What tortured logic did I use?

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

It's a $1 million condo, not an apartment. I th...

2009-05-27T19:04:09.443-04:00

It's a $1 million condo, not an apartment.

I think that makes a huge difference.

Mike in Maryland- Your post alone shows some of t...

2009-05-27T18:54:20.066-04:00

Mike in Maryland-

Your post alone shows some of the tortured logic you have to use to set up Mankiw as the bad guy. You seem to think that he is disparaging her because she does not save much of her income. While he is clear that his grandmother would probably berate her for it, he does not, and even does a follow up post to make it clear that there is no optimal savings level for everyone.

You seem to want to ascribe motive to Mankiw's post. Let me help you with that:

Mankiw is an economics nerd of the highest order. He saw something in the public sphere that illustrated the findings of some of his research. He got excited and posted it as an example. That's the motive - an economics teacher wants to teach.

The negative value judgements all seem to be coming from the left wing on this post. Why do you people take the claim that she does not save much income to mean that she is somehow immoral or unfit for SCOTUS?

Nate may think he found the dumbest comment about ...

2009-05-27T18:36:57.308-04:00

Nate may think he found the dumbest comment about Sotomayor, but there are plenty more in the pipeline. Think Progress found that the head of the "Center for Immigration Studies" was quite incensed that people were saying her last name using the "unnatural pronunciation" (a/k/a "non-English pronunciation") of emphasizing the last syllable. It's a strike against her, for sure. Even her supporters are suspected emphathizers.

But I do have to give it to Nate for the funniest headline ever.

The Constant Weader at www.RealityChex.com

George said... It's a little comical how defensive...

2009-05-27T18:34:01.884-04:00

George said...
It's a little comical how defensive Silver and his followers are on this blog. Nowhere in Mankiw's post is there any value judgement about Sotomayor's fitness for the Supreme Court.

So George, why did Mankiw spend any time composing and posting the drivel?

If he's an economist, and since an economist is concerned about the flow on money, he's making a value judgment.

Since the column was about a political appointment, he's making a value judgment about Sotomayor and her personal finances, and by extension her qualifications as a possible Justice of the SCOTUS. After all, there are a lot of issues decided upon by the SCOTUS that involve economics. Didn't Justice Thomas make some type of comment about all the ERISA cases that come before the SCOTUS?

(In case you don't know, ERISA stands for 'Employee Retirement Income Security Act' - a law that is about one aspect of economics - employee retirement income.)

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

Jarvis said... The only "Justices" in the federal ...

2009-05-27T18:21:05.767-04:00

Jarvis said...
The only "Justices" in the federal judiciary sit on One First Street in Washington DC.

Jarvis,

It's very apparent that you have no idea of what you speak - namely addresses in the District of Columbia.

Just so you know:

The Library of Congress is located at One First Street. The LoC is in South East.

The Peace Monument on the Capital grounds is located very close to where One First Street, NW, would be located if such an address existed.

The Ulysses S. Grant Memorial is located very close to where One First Street, SW, would be located if such an address existed.

The Supreme Court of the United States is located at One First Street. The SCOTUS is in North East.

In DC, an address without the designation of NE, SE or SW is presumed to be in NW. So you are saying that the Justices of the SCOTUS hold court at the Peace Monument on the Capital grounds? Not a real good location when it rains; or when the weather is cold; or when a Bermuda high makes the thermometer hit the 90s, and the dew point approaches the 75 degree mark (all of which happens a LOT in DC).

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

It's a little comical how defensive Silver and his...

2009-05-27T18:13:39.453-04:00

It's a little comical how defensive Silver and his followers are on this blog. Nowhere in Mankiw's post is there any value judgement about Sotomayor's fitness for the Supreme Court. The post simply illustrates that saving habits are not correlated with income levels. But somehow Silver and co have divined all manner of negative attacks in Mankiw's post and sought to attack him back as if he were the Republican Boogieman. This post is as weak as the last time Silver went after Mankiw.

I don't understand C.O.'s contention that "we're h...

2009-05-27T16:21:19.059-04:00

I don't understand C.O.'s contention that "we're headed for third world status in the US."

Let's assume that the right is correct and Obama is a rabid socialist.

Even then, the worst-case scenario is that the U.S. is transitioning to is a more regulated, slower-growth economy similar to Western Europe. Last I checked, those countries were far from the 3rd world and most have a much more even distribution of wealth than the U.S.

I love it when Nate gets bitchy.... Lately, I hav...

2009-05-27T15:11:03.920-04:00

I love it when Nate gets bitchy....

Lately, I have been looking for an introduction to macroeconomics and it was this site that has kept me from buying Mankiw's book. Maybe I should go with Stiglitz...