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Braun was a disaster but generally voted right.<BR/><BR/>@Julia- Schakowsky (a very serious possibility, on Obama's short list) has already suggested she will run. If Burris is the candidate in 2010 there's already a clear path for the Republicans.Michael (mbw)http://www.blogger.com/profile/16714767268716759172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-9941886688217647422009-01-17T20:10:00.000-05:002009-01-17T20:10:00.000-05:00My two cents: I don't think anyone ever actually thought he wouldn't be seated. I think the Dems knew they would, etc. I think they put up an initial fuss simply so they seemed to be protesting Roddy - but they never really meant to block him. It seems to me that it would be unlikely for any serious Democrat to challenge him, which would leave a clear path for a Republican to take the seat....Juliahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14899208484282914679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-18730415809359967402009-01-16T22:46:00.000-05:002009-01-16T22:46:00.000-05:00I live in IL. I recall a democratic senator, Carol Mosley Braun, the first black female senator. IL was so proud...for about 6 months. By then, we knew we'd made a mistake. Not only was she not qualified for the job, but she was an embarrassment. Sadly, we had to wait 5 1/2 years before we could vote her out. Many democrats gladly voted for repub Peter Fitzgerald (who turned out to be a good senator).<BR/><BR/>History is repeating itself. Thankfully, this time we have less than 2 years before we can vote out Burris. Unless he pulls off a miracle, just about the time Burris is running for reelection, Blago will be going to jail. It'll be a fine reminder of how Burris became a senator in the first place, and there will be plenty of ads on TV to reinforce the message.<BR/><BR/>Just...two...years. 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Keep up the good work Al.<BR/><BR/>wv: scoop- no joke here is the scoop on Franken.mhzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13159524494571925116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-27295070309601892452009-01-14T06:41:00.000-05:002009-01-14T06:41:00.000-05:00<I>As an attorney, the AGC that resigned could have done alot more sticking around and making sure the real facts came out in court, in stead of grandstanding. In my mind that was her role, in my mind she failed.</I><BR/><BR/>So you are saying that that the blame falls on the "grandstanding" ACL.<BR/><BR/>Fred,I have lost all respect for you.End of dialogue.Opus 132http://www.blogger.com/profile/09564913438310994720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-23210685733254679992009-01-14T04:46:00.000-05:002009-01-14T04:46:00.000-05:00fred said...<BR/><I>I assume . . .</I> and <I>I also assume . . .</I><BR/><BR/>An entire episode of <I>The Odd Couple</I> was based on a policeman assuming something. Turns out what the policeman assumed had occurred was incorrect. Turned out that the policeman's assumption made an ass of himself, and all the other innocent people who were dragged into the incident because of the policeman's assumption.<BR/><BR/>That episode should be required viewing for all attorneys, police personnel, judges, jury members prior to entering jury service, and any other person entering a position where the act of assuming might lead to a erroneous act or outcome.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and your pollyanna vision that all police are assumed to be squeaky clean - they are human and thus can and do make mistakes. They are just as capable of lying as anyone else, and in most cases are in a position to more convincingly lie than the defendant, purely because the defendant IS the defendant and assumed by idiots (like you) to be guilty of lying until proven otherwise, and the police officer is assumed by idiots (such as you) to be squeaky clean until proven otherwise.<BR/><BR/>You, sir, do your fellow attorneys no favors by being the hot air ass that you are.Mike in Marylandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-7840210130034377722009-01-14T04:09:00.000-05:002009-01-14T04:09:00.000-05:00Opus, I have no idea what Burris knew and when he knew it, but I can promise you that I, like Burris, had alot more belief in the system than it turned out to deserve.<BR/><BR/>Attorneys are part of a system of law and play a role. The system is based on other appropriately playing theirs. To act as if every attorney is an all knowing fact finder who believes everything their client says on blind faith, or believes any other witness blindly, is so naive as to laughable. <BR/><BR/>I assume my client is lying. I also assume the judge and the cops are at least competent. All those assumptions were wrong in this case, and to think anyone could have seen through this subterfuge and been able to walk away from prosecuting a case as big as the Ramsey murder case (which this was in IL at the time) is just not looking at the facts.<BR/><BR/>As an attorney, the AGC that resigned could have done alot more sticking around and making sure the real facts came out in court, in stead of grandstanding. In my mind that was her role, in my mind she failed.fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-45801755374539252042009-01-13T23:24:00.000-05:002009-01-13T23:24:00.000-05:00Fred,<BR/><BR/>The attitude you have is why most people have a certain stereotype of attorneys:<BR/><BR/>They would rather follow a stupid law, not fight that stupid law, then admit that they don't know a fricking thing about common sense. And because they don't know a thing about common sense, they can't recognize a stupid law even when it slaps him or her in the face.<BR/><BR/>Slavish following of judicial decisions when new evidence becomes available that is very indicative of the innocence of the defendant, evidence to the point that OTHER attorneys give up their position in order to not participate in an abortion of justice, is the epitome of arrogance. It appears to me that Burris did slavishly follow a judicial decision even when new evidence became available that showed there might have been a miscarriage of justice, evidence such that an assistant AG resigned rather than proceed in a possible miscarriage of justice.<BR/><BR/>It also appears that you support Burris because of his slavish allowance of justice to be miscarried because a judge had spoken.<BR/><BR/>Do you realize that judges, juries and attorneys are all human, and that humans make mistakes?<BR/><BR/>I guess you think that (especially) judges and attorneys, solely because they are a judge and/or an attorney, are beyond the human fallacy of making mistakes.<BR/><BR/>Keep reinforcing that stereotype by continuing to defend an indefensible position, namely that when an attorney is presented with evidence that shows a miscarriage of justice has, or might have, occurred, the attorney cannot do anything to prevent the furtherance of a miscarriage of justice.<BR/><BR/>If attorney ethics DO allow for the above scenario, even in the face of common sense, then the stereotype is self-inflicted by the entire profession, and attorneys shouldn't expect any pity from anyone who is not an attorney.Mike in Marylandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-65431404571379988122009-01-13T22:19:00.000-05:002009-01-13T22:19:00.000-05:00Tell me,Fred,what would you have done if you,instead of Burris,were AG at the time?Opus 132http://www.blogger.com/profile/09564913438310994720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-69391100831821399272009-01-13T20:52:00.000-05:002009-01-13T20:52:00.000-05:00Oh, get over yourselves!<BR/><BR/>Smart guys, can of course, without talking to a judge, illegally release convicted felons in NY. Ya, sure. Am I arguing with attorneys or people who have watch Law and Order? The ethics rule matter alot, when did they over-rule the constitution or the common law system? I think they are consistent, maybe you need to read them again!<BR/><BR/>What the hell have you two done pro-bono? Ever fought a wrongful death penalty case? I have and you guys are completely clueless. You can't win by citing the ethics code, and Burris knows it. You need a new fact, that can overcome the finding of a jury - the DNA might have been that here. Why didn't a judge rule that? I don't know, but you back of the envelope lawyers who have never argued before a judge seem to know....please, give me your great wisdom, oh great constitutional scholars...fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-10672506478025496042009-01-13T20:54:00.000-05:002009-01-13T20:54:00.000-05:00I can see you at the gates of the jail -<BR/><BR/>"I am mbw, haven't you read my posts on 538! I clearly know more law than the state attorney general, and the prosecutor! The cops who did this are liars! Release the death row prisoner! I am the GREAT mbw - do so, on my order!!!!!"<BR/><BR/>Good luck, oh great arrogant attorney.fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-87436328188089211422009-01-13T21:08:00.000-05:002009-01-13T21:08:00.000-05:00Homer Simpson, hmmm, it kinda sounds like Homer to think, and to be so naive as to believe, that an AG would step into a local prosecution case that is huge visibility and, well, overturn a jury, or two, or three.<BR/><BR/>The process is broken, but lawyers who are so fucking clueless as not to understand basic roles are part of the problem, not part of the solution.<BR/><BR/>You went to an Ivy League school, didn't you? You guys don't need or understand facts. Try U of C, we at least get the problems.<BR/><BR/>mbw = Homer?fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-5506323163866097612009-01-13T21:13:00.000-05:002009-01-13T21:13:00.000-05:00Read the facts yet mbw? Got a clue? Put your clueless platitudes to the facts yet? Then call me.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and make sure you follow those other ethics arguments about the rule of law, and the constitution, and little stuff like that.fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-8080968073285849322009-01-13T20:18:00.000-05:002009-01-13T20:18:00.000-05:00fred said...<BR/><I>. . . the prosecutor is supposed to evaluate evidence before trial, not after trial. Once a conviction is in place, it is the judge who is supposed to evaluate whether the new evidence is good enough to re-open the case.</I><BR/><BR/>Since the state Attorney General is an officer of the court, is an attorney, and thus must abide by the <I>The Lawyer's Code of Professional Ethics</I>, please square the above with the following, especially the second part of the quoted text:<BR/><BR/>"EC 7-22<BR/><BR/>Respect for judicial rulings is essential to the proper administration of justice; however, a litigant or lawyer may, in good faith and within the framework of the law, take steps to test the correctness of a ruling of a tribunal."<BR/><BR/>If a tribunal's ruling (meaning the ruling from the bench by a judge or jury) is shown to have been incorrect when new evidence is presented, then the second part of that Code of Ethics does not apply?<BR/><BR/>BTW - the ethics quoted above are the New York Lawyer's Code of Professional Responsibility (found here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/ethics/ny/code/NY_CODE.HTM). I would suspect that the Illinois Lawyer's Code of Professional Responsibility has the same or similar language.Mike in Marylandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-55408989274769060072009-01-13T20:21:00.000-05:002009-01-13T20:21:00.000-05:00@fred- It was funnier with Homer Simpson and the killer tomato plant: "I'm only one person."<BR/><BR/>Or maybe Lehrer's "I just send them up, who cars where they come down? That's not my department says Werner von Braun." <BR/><BR/><BR/>This is an actual innocent human life here. Many people behaved in an extremely immoral fashion- there's no quota there. You're really saying that murder is ok if the voters like it and you can pretend it's somebody else's fault?Michael (mbw)http://www.blogger.com/profile/16714767268716759172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-16363638024394701272009-01-13T18:56:00.000-05:002009-01-13T18:56:00.000-05:00Ummm, wasn't Burris the AG and NOT the prosecutor? Wasn't Burris only presented with info from one person, and the cops said she was lying? Wasn't the person in the case already convicted by a jury and upheld by a judge? Wasn't the case a huge public spectacle where certainty would be required to overturn any conviction? Aren't judges supposed to be finders of fact? Aren't juries supposed to be great judges of fact? Aren't we supposed to assume that the guy had a good defense team? <BR/><BR/>I think the system is almost completely broken, but that doesn't mean you can blame one guy who did play his appropriate role.fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-90395816246698035682009-01-13T18:58:00.000-05:002009-01-13T18:58:00.000-05:00No Mike, the prosecutor is supposed to evaluate evidence before trial, not after trial. Once a conviction is in place, it is the judge who is supposed to evaluate whether the new evidence is good enough to re-open the case.fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-61674468259931362092009-01-13T17:53:00.000-05:002009-01-13T17:53:00.000-05:00We do not know who was the moral person in this case because we do not know what they knew and when they knew it.<BR/><BR/>Why not blame the trial judge who screwed it all up to begin with? Who was immoral for following the law after that? Or was it the Sheriff and the folks who were tried for lying in the case who were immoral? Go read the facts before you blame Burris, he came in late to a conviction, he was not the judge or the prosecutor which you seem to think he was - those are the wrong doers if there are any.<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanine_Nicarico_murder_case<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolando_Cruz_casefredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-56954210950877710202009-01-13T17:55:00.000-05:002009-01-13T17:55:00.000-05:00My understanding of the duties of a prosecutor are to follow the truth, no matter where it leads.<BR/><BR/>By following the truth means that you consider any evidence that comes in at any time during the case, or even after a jury has decided a case. If the evidence is not to your liking, TOUGH. You follow the evidence to get to the truth, not to the desired result, or stating "the jury made a decision, therefore the case is closed."<BR/><BR/>Maryland had a death penalty case where the accused had sat on death row for YEARS, and the prosecutors had initially tried to not do further investigation of the case. Eventually enough evidence came to light that it was found that the accused was innocent, and the prosecutors took the correct and moral path in helping to overturn the conviction. For more information, Google 'Kirk Bloodsworth'.<BR/><BR/>For ANY prosecutor to state that "the jury convicted, so my hands are tied" is a prosecutor who is not out to make sure justice is done, and done correctly, but only doing their job in a way that feeds their own ego.Mike in Marylandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-17113737382680814312009-01-13T16:46:00.000-05:002009-01-13T16:46:00.000-05:00My guess is that Burris was allowed to take his seat on two provisions: that he vote the party line, and that he not run in 2010. His chances of winning a statewide seat are slim to nil, and I think that he knows it. <BR/><BR/>So now he gets to be called "Senator" for the rest of his life, just like Dean Barkley, who served two months (after being appointed by Jesse Ventura to fill out Paul Wellstone's term) and acted as a spoiler in the recent MN Senate race. Yes, *sigh*, he's my senator, too.Halloween Jackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11384379626872143033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-19855919806360370182009-01-13T16:06:00.000-05:002009-01-13T16:06:00.000-05:00Should not the AG be a moral person? Who was the more moral person here,the AG or the AGC?<BR/><BR/>As a moral person (which I don't doubt you are) you should feel insulted not by me but by Burris' lack of morality in this case.Opus 132http://www.blogger.com/profile/09564913438310994720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4257917002416684161.post-68707088263178581532009-01-13T15:46:00.000-05:002009-01-13T15:46:00.000-05:00Opus132-<BR/><BR/>That is nsulting. Burris had this AGC leave AFTER the guy had been convicted twice. That is so far from a Nazi executioner it is unimaginable to even bring it up. The AG cannot just decide the jury was WRONG! That is up to the JUDGE!<BR/><BR/>I am strongly against the death penalty, and think alot of pinnocent people are in jail, BTW.fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092775747214915937noreply@blogger.com