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Single payer is the only option to consider!

2009-08-13T17:44:03.682-04:00

Single payer is the only option to consider!

I've seen way too many people quoting how Obama is...

2009-08-13T17:43:05.959-04:00

I've seen way too many people quoting how Obama is at 50% approval in Rasmussen poll and thus proof that his sky is falling.

Anyone quoting Rasmussen, a polster well known to favor the GOP, is immediately suspect.

@ Nate: "The fundamental weakness of the White Hou...

2009-08-06T16:07:31.996-04:00

@ Nate:
"The fundamental weakness of the White House press corps is that they can rarely see beyond the current 24-hour news cycle"

I'm afraid the weaknesses of the press corps go way beyond that. Read the excellent articles by Glenn Greenwald at salon.com for a complete expose of how bad the US press has morphed into.

I asked, I would be one that 'strongly disapproves...

2009-08-06T11:18:22.784-04:00

I asked, I would be one that 'strongly disapproves; because they are not talking about single-payer.How could I answer differently? The rest of the proposals would not do enough to reduce rising HC costs. I wish there was a poll separating those who disapprove of ANY reform from those who want REAL reform. Is there one somewhere, does anyone know?

Follow the Money... Link Call Congress and demand...

2009-07-24T02:11:38.655-04:00

Follow the Money... Link
Call Congress and demand,

SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE FOR ALL NOW!

SEMPER FI!

@Midpoint Man I'd like to point out that you know...

2009-07-22T18:19:47.402-04:00

@Midpoint Man

I'd like to point out that you know very little about health insurance. You act like not-for-profits = public option. This is not true. When you move to a new state, you have to cancel your health insurance policy and get a new policy. Many insurance companies have virtual monopolies in many states. A public option would be available to Americans everywhere, and would therefore have quite an impact on the insurance market. Also, there are many many many Americans who do not have the option to purchase non-profit health insurance now. Guess what? They deserve to have that freedom.

P.S. I'd like to second Liz's comment. I too am a young professional, and virtually none of the people I know who are my age have health insurance. Though they would very much like to have insurance, THEIR EMPLOYERS DO NOT OFFER IT. This is a trend, and it's not good.

Midpoint Man - I'm a young professional with an ad...

2009-07-22T08:37:14.212-04:00

Midpoint Man - I'm a young professional with an advanced degree, as are most of my friends. What very few people seem to realize is that for years employers have been cutting off healthcare for categories of employees, usually the newer and younger groups, or choosing plans that are prohibitively expensive for anyone making an average wage.

Healthcare has become the 30% tax on pay, and uncovered health costs are still the reason for 70% of personal bankruptcies.

Most of my friends haven't had healthcare since they were forced to leave their parent's plan. All of my friends who have health insurance are part of a couple - one half of the couple takes an administrative job with benefits, like dental hygienist. Even that option is starting to fail.

Maybe people who have healthcare would be upset about a minor increase in costs or change in services (although it's hard to believe anything could be more difficult to deal with than an insurance company). But those people have been a minority for a long, long time. The world just isn't the way you describe.

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Ed? Better check your eyesight, and/or your readi...

2009-07-21T23:24:10.060-04:00

Ed?

Better check your eyesight, and/or your reading comprehension.

I was not the person who wrote the word "Raspublican", even if I agree with the sentiment (and I do).

If your eyesight and/or reading comprehension is so poor on a blog that you can't even respond to a post to which you disagree with a response that is appropriate to that specific post, no wonder you wingnutters can't grasp any concept beyond "Run Spot run. See Spot run!"

Mike in Maryland

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"Tony" posted: "If health care passes and private...

2009-07-21T14:26:28.921-04:00

"Tony" posted:

"If health care passes and private insurance dwindles, suburbanites in particular may see the biggest change in wait lines. I think Dems representing affluent suburbs should pay very close attention."
****

This statement contains the crux of your false argument.

A)"...and private insurance dwindles..." is a supposition based on something that is not a given, by any means. Private insurance has enough impetus and financial incentive to remain a player, even if a "public option" is offered. They aren't going to just roll over and play dead, that's ludicrous. (Please don't quote the "page 16" talking point that's been going around... it has been taken out of context and skewed to fit a certain ideology).

B) "...change in wait lines"

There you go posting a VERY misleading point made by opponents of health care reform -- that somehow the reform to be enacted will be "government run" or "socialized" health care and thus, automatically become something foreign to the current procedures by which folks get in to see a doctor.
That just isn't true. It is a particularly venal attack on the truth, as a matter of fact... one more attempt to gather the fearful and ignorant into agreement with something that will actually be against their better interest by using the almost Pavlovian buzz words that stoke their fear and lack of comprehension.

You're a doctor?

Okay, repeat after me "First, do no harm".

Good words for political discussion as well as healing practices, if you ask me.

"Your racial and class prejudices are glowing brig...

2009-07-21T12:45:57.611-04:00

"Your racial and class prejudices are glowing bright and clear through that posting."
Right, simply because he referenced suburbria he's now a racist GOOPtard who cites Raspublican or else ignorant and needs to be saved.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/pollster%20ratings

Notice Rasmussen's position.

2 polls Rasmussen and PPP both have Obama with jus...

2009-07-21T09:47:23.438-04:00

2 polls Rasmussen and PPP both have Obama with just 50% approval today.

And Gallup, which I trust a shitload more than either PPP or Raspublican, has Obama at 61% and trending up.

Also, PPP and Raspublican had Obama around 55% when he was 68% in half a dozen other polls.

BTW, anyone who cites Raspublican is either a misinformed or a FReeptard. Which is it?

The big wildcard here is the impact of the swine f...

2009-07-21T04:25:57.106-04:00

The big wildcard here is the impact of the swine flu pandemic, which as I understand it should take off towards the end of the year.

Mass vaccination provides many opportunities for some health care systems to break down while others cope well, and the means used to pay for distributing the vaccine could also help fuel the debate over health insurance.

MidPointMan said... Rasmussen . . . is non-partisa...

2009-07-21T04:23:26.229-04:00

MidPointMan said...
Rasmussen . . . is non-partisan.

Your assertion without any proof.

Here's an alternate point of view:
http://therasmussenretort.blogspot.com

Mike in Maryland

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Rasmussen was by far the steadiest of all the poll...

2009-07-21T01:01:16.723-04:00

Rasmussen was by far the steadiest of all the polling firms.

Yes, the most steady in terms of always being an outlier, expect for 2-3 days every two years.

Ya know, just like they are a consistent outlier in terms of polls this year.

Rassmussen is a hack pollster for the Republican party.

Ass Rider, Did your racist, Internet tough guy se...

2009-07-21T00:57:36.055-04:00

Ass Rider,

Did your racist, Internet tough guy self just claim you are intelligent?

Tony said... I suspect that suburbia currently has...

2009-07-21T00:50:23.799-04:00

Tony said...
I suspect that suburbia currently has the highest density of MD's/hospitals because burbs on average tend to have less Medicaid / Medicare and ergo have better reimbursement (I am a salaried doc and I certainly see different payor mixes at various clinics I work at).

and

If health care passes and private insurance dwindles, suburbanites in particular may see the biggest change in wait lines.

'Tony',

Your racial and class prejudices are glowing bright and clear through that posting.

And don't try to cover it up with a 'some of my best friends . . . .", or "doctors don't discriminate" type of male bovine droppings.

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

Correction to my post at 11:15 PM: The BCBS plan ...

2009-07-21T00:44:00.822-04:00

Correction to my post at 11:15 PM:

The BCBS plan that is chartered in New York state (Empire Blue Cross and Blue Shield, operating mostly in the Lower Hudson Valley) is also a FOR PROFIT company.

I also forgot to include CareFirst, which operates the BCBS plans in the District of Columbia, Maryland, and Northern Virginia.

I also forget to include Health Care Service Corporation, which operates the BCBS plans in Illinois, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas.

Did I include Wellmark above? It is a private, for-profit company that issues BCBS policies in Iowa and South Dakota.

I checked, and I find that Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida is a tax-paying mutual insurance company.

I guess that adds several more states to the list I provided above, including most of the ten most populous states.

And of course, I included a link to an article about BCBS of North Carolina being a non-profit, but acting as one. In fact, I've posted that link in several of my comments here at 538.com.

As to your chastising me about 'wrong' information on Kaiser, I didn't make any such claims about Kaiser being a for-profit or not-for-profit company. Says quite a bit about your reading comprehension.

Of course, I've never seen or heard about the ability of TROLLs to learn, so I can't really blame your lack of reading comprehension on any schooling you might or might not have received.

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

MidPointMan, great commentary. Keep it up. I am...

2009-07-21T00:19:00.422-04:00

MidPointMan,

great commentary. Keep it up.

I am glad you raised the issue of tight supply, which few seem to acknowledge.

I wonder how will that play in relation to geographical distribution of health care?

I suspect that suburbia currently has the highest density of MD's/hospitals because burbs on average tend to have less Medicaid / Medicare and ergo have better reimbursement (I am a salaried doc and I certainly see different payor mixes at various clinics I work at).

If health care passes and private insurance dwindles, suburbanites in particular may see the biggest change in wait lines. I think Dems representing affluent suburbs should pay very close attention.

MidPointMan said... Kaiser is a non-profit. P...

2009-07-20T23:54:51.441-04:00

MidPointMan said...

Kaiser is a non-profit. Prove me wrong. It is all over the web.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

you said Kaiser, period! not distinguishing er tap dancing re: health care plans or what not.

and as you say, how embarrassing for you!!!

and as I don't want to get in a battle of wits w/an unarmed man, you take care now ...

ciao

Kaiser-Permanente "National structure The two ty...

2009-07-20T23:47:46.237-04:00

Kaiser-Permanente

"National structure

The two types of organizations which make up each regional entity are:

* Kaiser Foundation Health Plans work with employers, employees, and individual members to offer prepaid health plans. The health plans are not-for-profit and provide infrastructure for and invest in Kaiser Foundation Hospitals and for-profit medical groups.
* Permanente Medical Groups are physician-owned organizations, which provide and arrange for medical care for Kaiser Foundation Health Plan members in each respective region. The medical groups are for-profit partnerships or professional corporations and receive funding from Kaiser Foundation Health Plans. The first medical group, The Permanente Medical Group, formed in 1948 in Northern California.

In addition, Kaiser Foundation Hospitals operates medical centers in California, Oregon and Hawaii, and outpatient facilities throughout the Kaiser Permanente regions. The hospital foundations are not-for-profit and primarily rely on the Kaiser Foundation Health Plans for funding. They also provide infrastructure and facilities that benefit for-profit medical groups."

The health plans are not-for-profit and provide infrastructure for and invest in Kaiser Foundation Hospitals and for-profit medical groups.

as they say in politics, a distinction w/out a difference ...

take care, blessings

Shiloh- It says their Health Plan and Hospitals a...

2009-07-20T23:46:34.409-04:00

Shiloh-

It says their Health Plan and Hospitals are non-profit.

It is the health plans we are discussing no?

Seriously. Did you read that quote?

How embarassing for you.

Take Care!

Blessings!

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Single payer is the only option to consider!

I've seen way too many people quoting how Obama is...

@ Nate: "The fundamental weakness of the White Hou...

I asked, I would be one that 'strongly disapproves...

Follow the Money... Link Call Congress and demand...

@Midpoint Man I'd like to point out that you know...

Midpoint Man - I'm a young professional with an ad...

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Ed? Better check your eyesight, and/or your readi...

"Tony" posted: "If health care passes and private...

"Your racial and class prejudices are glowing brig...

2 polls Rasmussen and PPP both have Obama with jus...

The big wildcard here is the impact of the swine f...

MidPointMan said... Rasmussen . . . is non-partisa...

Rasmussen was by far the steadiest of all the poll...

Ass Rider, Did your racist, Internet tough guy se...

Tony said... I suspect that suburbia currently has...

Correction to my post at 11:15 PM: The BCBS plan ...

MidPointMan, great commentary. Keep it up. I am...

MidPointMan said... Kaiser is a non-profit. P...

Kaiser-Permanente "National structure The two ty...

Shiloh- It says their Health Plan and Hospitals a...

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