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2009-02-08T21:10:00.000-05:00

The Mn Canvassing Board is corrupt because of chan...

2008-12-16T12:35:00.000-05:00

The Mn Canvassing Board is corrupt because of changing the rules in the middle of an election. You change them before the election so no candidate can use them for their advantage. Also it should be noted that machines are not bias, only people and the Canvassing board are.

It is honorable to play clean politics with dirty ...

2008-11-29T08:13:00.000-05:00

It is honorable to play clean politics with dirty trickster neocons, but the only thing that you do is lose dishonorably and call that sob opponent:

"Senator, congratulations on your re-selection>"

Juris: Jack's lying. Ignore him. (Notice that h...

2008-11-28T00:23:00.000-05:00

Juris: Jack's lying. Ignore him. (Notice that he didn't provide a link. That's because none exists.)

Meanwhile, Michael pretends that the Coleman challenges have nothing to do with his "lead". For those not following along, the challenges are all about addition-by-subtraction -- or rather, the appearance thereof, since the challenged ballots, as Coleman himself admitted a few days ago, will for the most part be allowed. But until they are, Coleman gets to pretend he's adding to a lead that may not even exist.

@Jack-be-nimble: Neither you nor the StarTrib know...

2008-11-27T17:07:00.000-05:00

@Jack-be-nimble: Neither you nor the StarTrib knows jack.

Happy Thanksgiving:StarTrib just called the race f...

2008-11-27T15:48:00.000-05:00

Happy Thanksgiving:

StarTrib just called the race for Coleman.

As I posted before this IS Florida-2000 all over a...

2008-11-27T13:27:00.000-05:00

As I posted before this IS Florida-2000 all over again -- in the songs that two parties are singing.

Dems: "Count all the votes. Not all votes have been counted."

Repubs: "We've counted and recounted, sometimes three times."

In the end in 2000, the GOP won on December 12th because it owned the SCOTUS, which stopped the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court with its 4-3 Democratic majority.

Who knows what will happen this time. If it gets back to SCOTUS, well it's curtains for Franken.

Rats, Strib updated the numbers Here's what they h...

2008-11-26T20:33:00.000-05:00

Rats, Strib updated the numbers Here's what they had at 6:26:
Sherburne 100 100 22,453 -433 12,973 -426 7 452 422
Oh well, easy come, easy go. I have no answer for you on the other question, although Dakota and Anoka didn't exactly speed through their ballots.

Mediapost... Sherburn appears to be a wash. Franke...

2008-11-26T20:10:00.000-05:00

Mediapost... Sherburn appears to be a wash. Franken gains 6 votes and challenges 6 more ballots.

But here is a question? Why is it that a Republican county can count 36,000 votes while dealing with nearly 900 challenges... and have it all done and reported by 6:00.

But it has taken Minneapolis over five days now to count about 100,000 of their 180,000 ballots? At this pace they will be counting till X-mas.

Nate,Are you a stooge for Franken or what?Despicab...

2008-11-26T19:54:00.000-05:00

Nate,

Are you a stooge for Franken or what?

Despicable!

Great numbers just came in from red Sherburne coun...

2008-11-26T19:44:00.000-05:00

Great numbers just came in from red Sherburne county. Franken +7 with 30 fewer challenges than Coleman.

"I'm perfectly bored with this Minnesota senate ra...

2008-11-26T19:33:00.000-05:00

"I'm perfectly bored with this Minnesota senate race. Finish, already.
"

OK, lets have them flip a coin or arm wrestle to end this because Rich is bored.

Democracy and the rule of law can go to hell when it stop being entertaining.

WV - pygurbig Got nothing

I really don't think the MN voters would see it as...

2008-11-26T18:52:00.000-05:00

I really don't think the MN voters would see it as Franken stealing the election if he won because of court action.
The parallel is not DC but FL. What went wrong in FL is that all the votes weren't counted and the wrong man won. All Franken is trying to do is make sure all the legitimate votes are counted. If he has to go to court to achieve that, then he has to go to court.

IF (and it is still onl IF) Franken wins because of votes in previously disallowed absentee ballots, then if Coleman whinges, all Franken has to do is say that Coleman's only way of winning was to rig the count so that all the votes weren't counted.

My own fear is that the absentee ballots will be counted - and will increase Coleman's majority!

"C" - with all due respect. You need to get a clue...

2008-11-26T18:25:00.000-05:00

"C" - with all due respect. You need to get a clue.

Here is an analyis on why Franken is picking up votes.

link

I'm perfectly bored with this Minnesota senate rac...

2008-11-26T18:12:00.000-05:00

I'm perfectly bored with this Minnesota senate race. Finish, already.

CH Truth: "Nearly 80% of that state (nearly 100$ o...

2008-11-26T18:09:00.000-05:00

CH Truth: "Nearly 80% of that state (nearly 100$ of Republicans and Independents) thought Rossi was the legitimate winner" - uh, no. Speaking as a Washingtonian, about half the state, to be precise most of the Rossi voters, thought Rossi was the legitimate winner. Maybe it would be 80% by land-area :).

God, can this possibility get anymore complicated?...

2008-11-26T17:53:00.000-05:00

God, can this possibility get anymore complicated?

Sex and the City: Prop K

What is the value of the moral highground here? I ...

2008-11-26T17:49:00.001-05:00

What is the value of the moral highground here? I don't see how that plays in anybody's favor.

We are talking about finding rejected ballots with...

2008-11-26T17:49:00.000-05:00

We are talking about finding rejected ballots with absolutly "no explanation" for the rejection.

No, we are talking about absentee ballots with no legitimate, legal reason for the rejection.

My gut feeling on this... is ... every major mistake has been made in Democratic precincts.

Well your gut feeling is full of shit, metaphorically as well as literally. The "original reported results" are unofficial for a reason: so that errors, which are expected, can be caught an d corrected. There were no ballot boxes in cars. Take all the shit out of your wild partisan bleating, and there's nothing left.

Every action taken on election night is taken under the eyes of multiple election judges in bipartisan teams. Mistakes get made by everyone. The post-election process is designed and intended to catch and correct them.

So believe what you want to believe about what people will believe when the inevitable election contest is filed. You already do about the conduct of the election so far, irrespective of reality.

Fact is, either one of these jokers got just 42% support in MN to start with. Franken already has people coming out of the woodwork, from both parties, saying their absentee ballot was improperly rejected. Having those votes counted is not stealing, but I'm sure the GOP will call it that anyway and try to stop it from happening.

Fortunately, in the end, the law will prevail. As much as one party seems to think the court of public opinion is the proper venue for a post-election contest, that ain't what the statute says.

So "C" - to actually answer your question. I don't...

2008-11-26T17:39:00.000-05:00

So "C" - to actually answer your question. I don't believe that if it boils down to adding ballots to the mix after the results are certified that people most people will see the justification of it.

Right, wrong, or indifferent they will see it as trying to go to court to steal one. It's a hard thing to be behind this long and not have people question it if you win after the fact. Look at what happened in Washington following the Governor's race in 2004. Nearly 80% of that state (nearly 100$ of Republicans and Independents) thought Rossi was the legitimate winner, and all Gregoire did was win a close recount (by 21 votes I believe). She didn't even go to court.