Comments on FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Obama and al-Maliki

酒店經紀人, 菲梵酒店經紀, 酒店經紀, 禮服酒店上班, 酒店小姐兼職, 便服酒店經紀, ...

2009-10-08T07:18:13.027-04:00

酒店經紀人,
菲梵酒店經紀,
酒店經紀,
禮服酒店上班,
酒店小姐兼職,
便服酒店經紀,
酒店打工經紀,
制服酒店工作,
專業酒店經紀,
合法酒店經紀,
酒店暑假打工,
酒店寒假打工,
酒店經紀人,
菲梵酒店經紀,
酒店經紀,
禮服酒店上班,
酒店經紀人,
菲梵酒店經紀,
酒店經紀,
禮服酒店上班,
酒店小姐兼職,
便服酒店工作,
酒店打工經紀,
制服酒店經紀,
專業酒店經紀,
合法酒店經紀,
酒店暑假打工,
酒店寒假打工,
酒店經紀人,
菲梵酒店經紀,
酒店經紀,
禮服酒店上班,
酒店小姐兼職,
便服酒店工作,
酒店打工經紀,
制服酒店經紀,
酒店經紀,
菲
梵,

艾葳酒店經紀公司提供專業的酒店經紀, 酒店上班小姐,八大行業,酒店兼職,傳播妹,或者想要到打工兼差、...

2009-09-11T02:35:26.768-04:00

艾葳酒店經紀公司提供專業的酒店經紀, 酒店上班小姐,八大行業,酒店兼職,傳播妹,或者想要到打工兼差、打工,兼差,或者八大行業,酒店兼職,想去酒店上班, 日式酒店,制服酒店,ktv酒店,禮服店,整天穿得水水漂漂的,還是想去制服店當上班小姐,水水們如果想要擁有打工工作、晚上兼差工作、兼差打工、假日兼職、兼職工作、酒店兼差、兼差、打工兼差、日領工作、晚上兼差工作、酒店工作、酒店上班、酒店打工、兼職、兼差、兼差工作、酒店上班等,想了解酒店相關工作和特種行業內容,想兼職工作日領、假日兼職、兼差打工、或晚班兼職想擁有快速賺錢又有保障的工作嗎???又可以現領請找專業又有保障的艾葳酒店經紀公司!

艾葳酒店經紀是合法的公司工作環境高雅時尚，無業績壓力，無脫秀無喝酒壓力，高層次會員制客源，工作輕鬆，可日領、現領。
一般的酒店經紀只會在水水們第一次上班和領薪水時出現而已，對水水們的上班安全一點保障都沒有！艾葳酒店經紀公司的水水們上班時全程媽咪作陪，不需擔心！只提供最優質的酒店上班,酒店上班,酒店打工環境、上班條件給水水們。心動嗎!? 趕快來填寫你的酒店上班履歷表

水水們妳有缺現領、有兼職、缺錢卡奴的煩腦嗎?想到日本留學缺錢嗎?妳是傳播妹??想要擁有高時薪又輕鬆的夜間兼職工作,打工機會和,假日打工,假日兼職賺錢的機會嗎??想實現夢想卻又缺錢沒錢嗎!??
艾葳酒店台北酒店經紀招兵買馬!!徵專業的酒店打工,想要去酒店的水水,想要短期日領,酒店日領,禮服酒店,制服店,酒店經紀,ktv酒店,便服店,酒店工作,禮服店,酒店小姐,酒店經紀人,
等相關服務幫您快速的實現您的夢想~!!

^^ nice blog!! ^@^徵信, 徵信, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信社...

2009-03-11T22:07:00.001-04:00

^^ nice blog!! ^@^徵信, 徵信, 徵信, 徵信社, 徵信社, 徵信社...

2009-03-11T22:07:00.000-04:00

情趣用品,情趣用品,情趣用品,情趣用品,情趣用品,情趣用品,情趣用品,情趣用品,情趣用品,情趣用品,...

2009-02-14T02:28:00.000-05:00

God, that is stupid.Yes, if by "that", John Peters...

2008-07-22T04:46:00.000-04:00

God, that is stupid.

Yes, if by "that", John Peterson means himself.

The more I think about the Obama "spin" on this, the more it bothers me. First of all, an Iraqi spokesman later said Maliki's comments were "misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately."

Anyone who isn't a blithering idiot knows that they said that only because the Bush administration pressured them to say that -- it was simply a lie, and Maliki has reiterated his position since then.

John Peterson said... "God, that is stupid. The mo...

2008-07-21T18:32:00.000-04:00

John Peterson said...
"God, that is stupid. The more I think about the Obama "spin" on this, the more it bothers me. First of all, an Iraqi spokesman later said Maliki's comments were 'misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately.'"

And of course we all know that when a government figure says something and then has a correctionor modification issued soon afterward, that correction or modification is always 100% true.

Come off it John, that one doesn't pass the giggle test.

Back to the future . . .Nate started this discussi...

2008-07-21T17:12:00.000-04:00

Back to the future . . .

Nate started this discussion with the following question:

"Is the quasi-endorsement of Barack Obama's withdraw timetable by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki a transformative event in the campaign?"

The crux of Maliki's statement is found in three words in the following sentence in the context of the time and withdrawal issue:

Maliki: "Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic."

Being more realistic?

A quick and simple way for the Obama camp to transform this into a positive is to maintain the high ground on this issue by accentuating who is being "realistic" about the the future steps to be taken and who is not being "realistic."

The majority of sensible people do not wish to dwell in the past.

Keep the discussion on Maliki noting who he sees as being realistic. It is quite apparent that Maliki does not see the Bush administration's previous plan as having been realistic. And in turn, by McCain dwelling on the past position of "the surge has worked" and "we must stay till victory is achieved" becomes a moot point to the issue of a "realistic" time frame. The majority of people wish to go forward and want to hear what is going to work in the future, not what has worked or not worked in the past.

If the McCain camp wishes to continue to argue the position of the surge has worked, all that the Obama camp needs do is to keep accentuating the way forward and quote the words of Maliki, "Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic."

~JQP~

@ Silly as it Seems . . .

A little bit of background on the Spiegel-Intervie...

2008-07-21T16:50:00.001-04:00

A little bit of background on the Spiegel-Interview:

1. Maliki will officially visit Germany this week. He was initially expected to arrive in Berlin tonight, to meet the Chancellor tomorrow; however, now reports say he will do the visit "in the middle of the week" (whatever this means, and whatever is the reaon for the delay). In any case, it is quite common for foreign heads of state to give an interview to the Spiegel prior to visiting Germany. In fact, a good part of the interview was on Maliki's expectations towards German support.

2. According to the Spiegel, the interview was already held last Tuesday, i.e. before Bush and Maliki last Thursday agreed to rather speak publicly about "time horizons" than about specific schedules for withdrawal. As the Spiegel puts it: "It is questionable whether Maliki, after the aggreement with Bush, would have used the same words on Obama's vision of bringing home American troops within 16 months. However, this is what he had said towards the Spiegel".

3. In my opinion, it would have been good journalistic style for the Spiegel to immediately publish alongside with the interview the fact that it had been already taken last Tuesday. As to why they did not do so, I can only speculate. One plausible explanation is that they used it as an opportunity to promote Spiegel Online abroad (they have for several months been running advertisements for the english version of Spiegel Online on CNN Europe / Middle East). It may as well be that the German Foreign Office has not been too amused by being by-passed in the discussion on Obama's Berlin visit, which apparently went directly between the White House and the Chancellor's office, and decided that it was time for a bit of pay-back.

4. In any case, the interview is authentic and indicates that Obama's plans are more in line with the Iraqian government's thinking than are McCain's plans.

God, that is stupid. The more I think about the Ob...

2008-07-21T16:50:00.000-04:00

God, that is stupid. The more I think about the Obama "spin" on this, the more it bothers me. First of all, an Iraqi spokesman later said Maliki's comments were "misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately."

Plus, the only reason anyone is in a position to talk about removing troops now is because of the surge that McCain advocated and Obama was against. Obama claiming that Maliki and the Iraqis are on his side now is a political contortion of monumental proportions. Obama would have been happy to leave Maliki and the Iraqi people for dead. What an ass.

John Peterson:How much of the readership of Der Sp...

2008-07-21T15:14:00.000-04:00

John Peterson:

How much of the readership of Der Spiegel do you think is Iraqi? Domestic audience my ass!

"Endorsement" of Obama's withdrawal plan, huh? I d...

2008-07-21T15:02:00.000-04:00

"Endorsement" of Obama's withdrawal plan, huh? I don't think so.

Maliki's statements were for a domestic audience that (of course) doesn't want to rely on the U.S. for protection forever.

That's internal security by around 2012 and external security by around 2020.

That's all.

BUY OXYCONTIN ONLINE.ORDER OXYCONTINDiscount Diova...

2008-07-21T14:12:00.001-04:00

BUY OXYCONTIN ONLINE.ORDER OXYCONTIN
Discount Diovan.Cheap Diovan.Order Diovan
Discount Bontril.Order Bontril.Bontril 100mg
Cheap Elavil.Generic Elavil.Order Elavil
Order Flomax.Cheap Flomax.Generic Flomax

Generic Synthroid.Buy Synthroid without prescripti...

2008-07-21T14:12:00.000-04:00

Generic Synthroid.Buy Synthroid without prescription
Order Cipro online.Buying Cipro.Purchase Cipro
Buy Glipizide.Order Glipizide.Cheap Glipizide.
Buy Inderal.Order Inderal.Purchase inderal.Cheap Inderal
Buy Cheap Imitrex.Discount Imitrex
Buy Flonase online.Purchase Flonase

" Although I believe we will completely pull ou...

2008-07-21T13:19:00.000-04:00

" Although I believe we will completely pull out, I think it will be the stupidest foreign Policy move we have ever made. Iraq sits right in the Middle of Mesopotamia, a perfect place to have a permanent Military prescence much like Germany, Puerto Rico, South Korea. Its strategically so important, that we need permanent bases there. At least 100 years needed. Not occupation, but cooperation.

Obama's cut and run and let the region destabilize again does not make sense at all. Obviously we do not need 130,000 troops, but having a [sic] prescence in an Islamic state and making that state a permanent Ally is the only thing that makes sense. We should do the same in Afghanistan after the Surge takes place there and it is under control. (Although Afghanistan is a different beast with its much more unwieldy terrain.)

I know I am in the minority on this, but we need better strategery."

Spoken like a good little Imperialist! We need their oil so lets occupy their country! After all, we NEED it. It's right in the heart of the Middle East. We need bases there. It's "strategerific."

And, what if the Iraqis don't like it? Hmmmn? What if 80% of the Iraqi people want us gone TODAY (as opinion polls indicate)? Who cares, right?

"Cooperation" not "occupation"! What a lovely concept! They'll just lie down then and let U.S. oil companies take over their oil?

Oh, but what if they want to fight us "for 100 years?" How much blood and how much money are we willing to throw at this? Until we go bankrupt and the Chinese finally stop buying U.S. Treasury bonds and hold out their hand and say "You owe money. You pay now!"

Good thinking! Well worthy of Bush!

It's rare that you see explicit war-mongering, Imperialism and approval of a genocidal war all rolled up in one vicious little package like this.

Sentiments that either Hitler or Stalin could easily have appreciated! "How many divisions does the Pope have?"

Sorry if this has already been posted. Can't help ...

2008-07-21T13:08:00.000-04:00

Sorry if this has already been posted. Can't help feeling that if Obama had said it we'd be hearing about it 24/7:

"I think it's serious. . . . It's a serious situation, but there's a lot of things we need to do. We have a lot of work to do and I'm afraid it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq/Pakistan border," said McCain, R-Ariz., said on "Good Morning America."

Pete,That's the spirit. Never say die!

2008-07-21T12:21:00.000-04:00

Pete,

That's the spirit. Never say die!

Jim S. said:"I'm guessing Ohio was picked as a ran...

2008-07-21T11:51:00.000-04:00

Jim S. said:
"I'm guessing Ohio was picked as a random state and drawing the conclusion that he meant "Ohio is full of dumbasses" is evidence that you are not aware of the point of the post you are critiquing."

Keep on guessing, because I've lived in Ohio for 54 years and was involved in the Ohio political arena for 30+ years. This state is a microcosm of the nation as a whole. Yes we have dumbasses, but they are distributed around the state and not, as a whole, any larger a percentage than any other state or the nation as a whole.

I am also well aware of Ohio's demographics and voting patterns, including the people of southern and southeastern Ohio whom I've interacted a great deal with over the years. I am well aware of the degrading point the poster was making, including an inferred slam on Appalachians. An inference you obviously agreed with by your response.

The nation will not benefit as a whole by keeping stereotypes alive. The real dumbasses have been the members of the Republican political machine that strangled this state while manufacturing employment in all parts of Ohio moved south or overseas.

It is fun watching your posts get more shrill and ...

2008-07-21T11:49:00.000-04:00

It is fun watching your posts get more shrill and dishonest "Pete Kent." McCain changes his stance as needed and has simply resorted to following Obama's lead for focusing on Afghanistan.

McCain is ans has always been very inconsistent. The "Straight Talk Express" is really the "Flip Flop Flyer"

How much does the McCain campaign pay you to spam boards with your lies? Just asking!

More bad news for Obama in latest Rasmussen tracke...

2008-07-21T11:42:00.000-04:00

More bad news for Obama in latest Rasmussen tracker. He is at his lowest levels of support in a long time and edges McCain by just one point.

In the unleaned vote 17% remain undecided. How will the inexperienced "community organizer" (can anyone explain to me what that is?) from Chicago close the gap?

His policies are proving to have been failures: he opposed the Surge that has created the conditions for victory in Iraq and withdrawal with dignity and security, and he stubbornly refuses to support proven drilling and nuclear technology to help us get out of the grip of foreign oil.

He will look articulate and cool in the debates with McCain, but McCain has wisely been practicing for months in unrehearsed give and take and is ready to throw just the right lobs at Obama that will capture the headlines and doom Obama’s candidacy (“there you go again!”).

Even if McCain underwhelms he will have met expectations.

Where is the breakthrough coming?

A joint appearance with Al-Maliki and representatives of Hamas and perhaps the PLO in front of a crowd or roaring Frenchmen giving their endorsement?

Ya never know!

The big news today will be how Iraq actually spins. It may take until he get in front of the Big Three anchors in Europe and they pepper him with questions about the degree to which he learned anything from General Petreus and our other commanders there.
I cannot wait to see him pick carefully through his words, walking the tightrope.

Meanwhile McCain back home has a simple narrative: I pressed for the Surge even though it almost cost me the nomination, I put country first and we prevailed. Now the Surge has worked despite the strenuous objections of Sen. Obama and the Democrats and they now only begrudgingly are willing to face facts. Without the Surge Senator Obama would not even be in a position to talk about troop withdrawal.

Consistency versus sophistry.

The Eva Peron Miracle Tour will look tired and Obama will come to both jet and poll lag.

The PUMAs may be sharpening their claws.

It may be the only chance the Democrats have to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Obama talks vaguely about maintaining a residual m...

2008-07-21T11:20:00.000-04:00

Obama talks vaguely about maintaining a residual military force to keep the peace and Al-Qaeda at bay. Some here suggest that only McCain wishes to have a permanent military presence in Iraq.

Obama's obfuscation will become clear once he is forced to put some meat on those bones. Some say the number he would leave behind is as large as 50,000. In the near terms that sounds about right to me, if we are going to consolidate our gains and stabilize the country.

Where will they be housed at Motel 6? He too will need permanent bases in Iraq.

At least McCain is honest about his plans, while Obama is forced to lie to keep peace with his Grand Vizier, George Soros, the shadowy billionaire who reminds of no one else than "Dr. Evil."

Higgly said:So Obama has good news today. Its poli...

2008-07-21T11:16:00.000-04:00

Higgly said:
So Obama has good news today. Its politics. Its not going to change much in the race. The whitehouse is already beginning some withdrawals.

It does change the race. That's why lots of GOP strategists jaws hit the floor on SAT. And as a NB: Most of the brigades coming home had to because they reached the end of their tours. There just wasn't anyone to replace them because of how tapped out the Army and Marine Corps are. This makes sense when you remember that the "surge" was nothing but a rejiggering of deployment schedules. Giving the administration credit for bringing those brigades home is like giving a chess player credit for moving out of check.

Although I believe we will completely pull out, I think it will be the stupidest foreign Policy move we have ever made. Iraq sits right in the Middle of Mesopotamia, a perfect place to have a permanent Military prescence much like Germany, Puerto Rico, South Korea. Its strategically so important, that we need permanent bases there. At least 100 years needed. Not occupation, but cooperation.

There's one small problem. None of the three countries you mention are like Iraq. Bases in Germany and Puerto Rico were spoils of war. No government existed in those regions after we conqured them. A state of war still exists between the two Koreas, which is why for all the other issues we sometimes have with South Korea, they never seriously ask us to leave. The Iraqis are making quite clear that they want nothing to do with a continuing large-scale US presence.

Furthermore, you're distorting BHO's position. He's adovcating a phased withdrawl that is sensitive to security concerns from both the US and Iraqi perspective. Seeing as the locals want us gone yesterday, there's really no other option. At the end of the day, it's up to the Iraqis to run Iraq - not CENTCOM, DOD, or the GOP.

Higgly, under no circumstances should the US have ...

2008-07-21T11:03:00.000-04:00

Higgly, under no circumstances should the US have permanent military bases in Iraq. Given that the impetus behind our unilateral invasion was the alleged WMD's, turning around and leaving all of our troops there as the de facto rulers of Iraq would be a jaw dropping bait and switch. When I mean de facto, I mean de facto, given that the Iraqi "government" would simply be viewed as a US puppet. Kind of like when we propped up the Shah of Iran back in the 50's. How did that work out in the long run?

The number of your saying stuff like "by the numbe...

2008-07-21T10:49:00.000-04:00

The number of your saying stuff like "by the number of posts we can tell the right is in a panic," How inane. As if a few dozen posts by inconsequential bloggers who propbaly have no ties to anyone anywhere are a reflection of "the right" you give "the right" more credit than it deserves. These as all posts on here are, are opinion pieces. I come on here just to BS a little bit. The liberal bloggers on this site appear so full of self-importance that the tenor of blog on 538.com must be a reflection of the entire political world.

So Obama has good news today. Its politics. Its not going to change much in the race. The whitehouse is already beginning some withdrawals.

Although I believe we will completely pull out, I think it will be the stupidest foreign Policy move we have ever made. Iraq sits right in the Middle of Mesopotamia, a perfect place to have a permanent Military prescence much like Germany, Puerto Rico, South Korea. Its strategically so important, that we need permanent bases there. At least 100 years needed. Not occupation, but cooperation.

Obama's cut and run and let the region destabilize again does not make sense at all. Obviously we do not need 130,000 troops, but having a prescence in an Islamic state and making that state a permanent Ally is the only thing that makes sense. We should do the same in Afghanistan after the Surge takes place there and it is under control. (Although Afghanistan is a different beast with its much more unwieldy terrain.)

I know I am in the minority on this, but we need better strategery.

I know there was never invented a Democrat that li...

2008-07-21T10:33:00.000-04:00

I know there was never invented a Democrat that liked the American Military

It's evident that this writer doesn't know much about the military. One third of the membership of the American Legion is Democratic.