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2009-02-09T01:03:00.000-05:00

She didn't write the freakin' speech for Christ's ...

2008-09-04T16:29:00.000-04:00

She didn't write the freakin' speech for Christ's sake! Has everyone gone mad? She read it off of a teleprompter! Does this mean Billie Jean Bimbo from your local news station is the next Ronald Reagan as well? All this hooplah reveals just how much confidence Republicans really have in McCain. By the way Sarah, hows that "abstinence only" thing working out for you guys? Your future son-in-law must love it- suddenly he's a national TV star for knocking up your daughter! Nice message!!!

More and more I find myself asking when will our p...

2008-09-04T15:16:00.000-04:00

More and more I find myself asking when will our politicians stop underestimating the voting public?

Maybe when the public stops falling for it.

I'd like to think we vote on issues. But we don't. If we were serious about issues, we'd be asking government to help us into more fuel efficient cars, not lower our gas prices.

We've reached a political impasse where too many people think all we have to do is elect the right folks and they'll solve our problems for us. But politicians can't make tough decisions unless enough of us are willing to make them. And since not enough of us are willing to take responsibility, politicians are afraid to ask us to do so. So all we get is pander after pander, and half-hearted proposals that don't require anything from us and that also won't really solve anything.

It's a bipartisan failure of leadership. But it's also a representative democracy. So the ultimate accountability rests with the people. When more of us are serious, our political discourse will be too. That's how democracy works.

As an Independent and a woman I have tried to keep...

2008-09-04T14:41:00.000-04:00

As an Independent and a woman I have tried to keep an open mind. I am proud of my ability to vote based on the issues and not because I signed up for a particular team. I was NOT impressed with Governor Palin's speech. I was impressed with her ability to redirect and mislead. More and more I find myself asking when will our politicians stop underestimating the voting public?

Funny, but none of the right-wing children who cam...

2008-09-04T14:14:00.000-04:00

Funny, but none of the right-wing children who came out to cry tonight mentioned that every state attacked on 9/11 voted for John Kerry and will likely vote for the next President of the United States Barack Obama.

I'm a left-wing child, but also a DC area resident. So I know that Virginia, attacked on 9/11, did not vote for John Kerry, although I suppose Arlington County did.

Rudy said... Ironic how any barbs tossed Obama'...

2008-09-04T14:02:00.000-04:00

Rudy said...

Ironic how any barbs tossed Obama's direction are "mean-spirited" but slurs and slander pointed at her are supposed to be fair game.

Actually, this is neither ironic nor true. Both Obama and Biden have DEFENDED Palin against media inquiries of her family situation. Since she is running for VP, it is perfectly acceptable for the media to question and investigate aspects of her professional life.

Even if it were true, it would be more hypocritical than ironic.

What IS ironic, though, is the fact that Palin sneeringly mocked Obama's experience as a community organizer in one of America's poorest urban neighborhoods when the convention theme of the previous night had been "Service."

Both ironic and disgusting, actually.

Also one question I really want somebody to ask th...

2008-09-04T13:42:00.000-04:00

Also one question I really want somebody to ask the "straight talker":

"Senator McCain... do you feel that Governor Palin is an "agent of intolerance?"

Hilary Rosen just made the point that on 9/11 (whi...

2008-09-04T13:39:00.000-04:00

Hilary Rosen just made the point that on 9/11 (while Bush was flying around the country) Dick Cheney was in charge, making decisions and giving orders to shoot down a plane loaded with Americans.

That point needs to be hammered a hundred times in coming days.

I thought Sarah Palin came off as a bitter person,...

2008-09-04T13:35:00.000-04:00

I thought Sarah Palin came off as a bitter person, and who cares if she has 5 children with on pregnant and a son with a disability, thats not the issue, I also have 6 kids and one that is special needs . The fact is that she could be our President if something happens to McSame, and how much do we really know about her? Also I did not see much chemistry between her and mcsame.

MidPointMan said... oz -The have done the same fo...

2008-09-04T13:32:00.000-04:00

MidPointMan said...
oz -

The have done the same for McCain.

Except, they forget that McCain managed to deliver some of the best speeches in 1996, 2000, and 2004.

When he comes, he comes to play.

Damn straight. The game ain't over until the wrinked old guy sings, to paraphrase Paris Hilton.

We'll know on Saturday how well they did. If the "bump" wasn't sufficient to get McCain ahead on Saturday, his odds of winning are pretty close to 0. The challening party can catch up- their convention was first, often (like Reagan) they're relatively new so by looking human in the debates they can pick up some undecideds. But most of the time, after the conventions people are set- not enough undecided voters to matter. Lloyd Bensten cleaned Dan Quayle's clock, and Quayle's team still won.

But McCain can certainly do it tonight. As you mention, he's done it before. Can't count them out yet.

Rhys... here is the Nevada focus group.Jake Tappe...

2008-09-04T13:27:00.000-04:00

Rhys... here is the Nevada focus group.

Jake Tapper has the Michigan one

Am I the only person who thinks she sounds like an...

2008-09-04T13:14:00.000-04:00

Am I the only person who thinks she sounds like an old-timey cartoon character of a prospector - like the voice you hear when you get onto Big Thunder Mountain at Disneyland? Add that nasal whine and I find her voice unlistenable. I tried to watch her speech but after fifteen minutes I just couldn't take it anymore.

After watching the speech last night my wife said ...

2008-09-04T12:34:00.000-04:00

After watching the speech last night my wife said "No way, no how, No Palin!"

"AverageJane: That's great, honey. You know how wo...

2008-09-04T11:29:00.000-04:00

"AverageJane: That's great, honey. You know how worried I am about the pre-foreclosure notice we got last week. Did she say anything about ideas or programs to help people like us?"

She doesn't need to. Since when was the government supposed to protect people from making poor financial decisions? If you bought a house you couldn't afford with loan terms that you were stupid to accept explain to me exactly what the government should do to help you?

geoff: I am very concerned about his ties to Ayers...

2008-09-04T09:21:00.000-04:00

geoff: I am very concerned about his ties to Ayers.

Going to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport does not make Obama a terrorist, AX, it suggests he claimed indonesian citizenship at some point.

Again, if that's the worst Republicans can offer, Obama should be optimistic come November.

Ayers used to try to blow things up, back when Obama was 7 years old. McCain actually backed Bush in blowing things up over the past 7 years. I think the latter did more harm, no?

If the Ayers issue trumps economic policy, energy policy, foreign policy, wherever on stands on those issues...we do get the government we deserve in the end.

midpointman: With Kerry he voted FOR the troops an...

2008-09-04T08:46:00.000-04:00

midpointman: With Kerry he voted FOR the troops and then voted AGAINST them.

She advocated FOR the bridge, but then changed her mind when the cost doubled and was AGAINST it.

See the difference. Kerry ended his musings AGAINST funding our troops

She ended hers AGAINST the wasteful bridge.

Too complicated to understand? The rest of America seems to get it.

First, she kept all the money for the bridge. Your tax dollars at work. So much for her opposition to earmarks.

Second, you must know that Kerry's votes were on two separate bills. The one he voted for would have raised taxes on the wealthy (like myself and himself) to actually pay for the money that was being appropriated. When that didn't pass, he voted against the version that borrowed the money and increased the debt on all Americans.

So he voted for the version that would have required those of us who could afford it to actually support the troops. The Republican version basically violated their own principles of fiscal responsibility and further screwed up the budget, and didn't ask us to actually do anything to back up their empty "support the troops" mantra.

Kerry did a lousy job defending himself (one reason he lost), but if you and "America" knew the facts, maybe more people would have "gotten" it.

Ms. Palin came across as an extraordinarily unplea...

2008-09-04T04:39:00.000-04:00

Ms. Palin came across as an extraordinarily unpleasant, sarcastic, bitter, nasty person. Her delivery was halting and unprofessional, she had no clue when to stop for applause, and the contents of her speech managed the feat off being both rote (the humdrum attacks on "tax & spend liberals" and the Obamas' patriotism) and shockingly inept (the astounding "community organizers" gaffe).

Ah yes, those nefarious community organizers. Now there's an offensive group that we can all freely tee off on and feel good about it in the process. Wow.

The speech almost certainly alienated, and perhaps even drove away for good, any independent voter who saw it.

All things considered, including context (Palin's need to establish herself), this was possibly one of the worst political speeches I have ever seen. As a bonus, McCain looked like the cantankerous grandpa out there afterwards among the ever-expanding Palin family.

Worst. Campaign. Ever.

President Palin. President Palin. President Pali...

2008-09-04T04:08:00.000-04:00

President Palin. President Palin. President Palin.

Gag me with a flag pin, somebody.

Wow, Republicans calling Palin "America's Sweethea...

2008-09-04T03:57:00.000-04:00

Wow, Republicans calling Palin "America's Sweetheart"? That sounds kind of sexist to me. She's not your girlfriend, she's a VP candidate. Try approaching politics with the head on your shoulders, not the head in your pants.

Science Fiction meets reality, The Republicans hav...

2008-09-04T03:47:00.000-04:00

Science Fiction meets reality, The Republicans have taken their story from the Terminator, Sarah Palin - aka Sarah Connor the fighting mum that saves humanity. Please Terminator come and take Sarah back to the future.

I thought that line about change was affective unt...

2008-09-04T03:22:00.000-04:00

I thought that line about change was affective until I realized it was ripped off from Braveheart:

"There's a difference between us. You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom. And I go to make sure that they have it."

Maybe it's because I live in Florida, about as far...

2008-09-04T03:20:00.000-04:00

Maybe it's because I live in Florida, about as far from Alaska as you can get... but after about 5 minutes her accent really grated on me and the other people in the room felt the same as I did.

Not to mention that she just seemed very mean and had an obnoxious sense of entitlement, all from someone no one has ever heard of until about 2 days ago.

My party's ticket had one last chance to win back my vote despite all the mistakes they've made these last 8 years. I'm not going to vote for McCain.

Here's one Republican vote for Bob Barr (or I may even write in Ron Paul).

Didn't watch the speech, haven't read the comments...

2008-09-04T03:18:00.000-04:00

Didn't watch the speech, haven't read the comments, apart from Nate and Sean's analysis. Apparently she gave a partisan red meat speech for a partisan red meat crowd (including the conservatrolls on this site). Whoa! Shocker!

A couple of things worth considering...

1. Rudy 9iu11ani overran with his speech and the RNC had to ditch Palin's biographical video. HUGE MISTAKE. These videos, at least in the short-term, help to define the candidate and endear them to the watching audience. Given the negative headlines of the past few days, the last thing Palin needed was to re-introduce herself with a angry, nasty, partisan speech that'll mostly appeal to the base. Sweetie, the base were already in the tank for you.

2. At least politically, Palin is now fair game for Obama and Biden. Their line of attack wasn't clearly defined before tonight. She just opened herself up to multiple attacks, begining with her lying to a national audience regarding the "Bridge to Nowhere". But it's extremely important for the Obama camp to go full-on negative defining her as a corrupt, lying extreme right-wing nutball in the minds of the American people.

3. The MSM have made it clear they intend to once again pander to McCain. They'll likely drop all vetting of Palin from now to Election Day.

4. Colin Powell's endorsement of OBAMA is an absolute certainty now. I'm wondering if they should roll him out on Friday morning or next week. hmmm...?