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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrCiAj6u4fcWatch th...

2008-08-17T10:52:00.000-04:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrCiAj6u4fc

Watch the above Youtube video. Apparent 'insider' information regarding Barack's VP choice. What do people think?

http://tiny.cc/jerrybrownBecause the link got cut ...

2008-08-16T15:51:00.000-04:00

http://tiny.cc/jerrybrown

Because the link got cut off in the post.

Beside Agnew, what was the last winning Ticket whi...

2008-08-16T15:44:00.000-04:00

Beside Agnew, what was the last winning Ticket which didn't win the home states of both the VP and P?

O is not going to win GA unless it is a lanslide and I don't see any evidence for that.

Given the historical record, maybe we ought to totally recalibrate the VP possibilities for a winning O campaign.

Jerry Brown for VP

Jerry Brown for VPHere is a smart guy. A truth te...

2008-08-16T15:39:00.000-04:00

Jerry Brown for VP

Here is a smart guy. A truth teller.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/videos/detail/jerry-brown-1992-democratic-convention/

A catholic, former Gov., former Mayor, important State AG, worked with Mother Theresa. Quit as Chair of CA Dem Party because he saw it was corrupted by money and special interests.

He can be an attack dog both in English and in Spanish and has a great name for OHIO.

Don't you think that he his thematically more in tune with Obama's forward looking campaign.

Brown was ahead of the curve on the environment, on balanced budgets, on the use of technology, on the the corrupting influence of special interest money, and on what a slime ball Bill Clinton was.

Wesley Clark OMGoodness Why Why Why.

Where there is no vision, the people perish.

"He is weak in every sense of the word and hardly ...

2008-08-13T18:22:00.000-04:00

"He is weak in every sense of the word and hardly projects strength to anybody."

You know when you have an Obamabot on the hook when they say comments lkes this.

My friend every poll disagrees with you, so either you are blind, dumb, stupid or brain-washed.

Obama trails in the Pew poll leadership metrics by a wide margin.

When you make comments like that, you are wasting your time, critical observation renders your time wasted...and you make Obama look as the worse to the informed voter who knows otherwise.

I am tired of Obamabots make the rest of us Obama supporters look like complete morons by association.

Clark would be a disaster. His star lost a lot of...

2008-08-13T18:18:00.000-04:00

Clark would be a disaster. His star lost a lot of shine in his performance where he attacked McCain on a pretty hypocritical rationale. His own candidacy was based on his military service, and McCain's is based on that plus a legislative record.

Clark's comments diminished him as a credible figure, and his Foreign Policy commentary on CNN and other venues is rife with miscalculation. There is a veritable treasure trove of material to eviscerate him with.

On top of that his is a known flake. He basically got fired as NATO Commander for insubordination, held unofficial press conferences regarding operations he was not in command of, and none of the military brass has much respect for the guy. They see him as a self-aggrandizing figure with not a lot of horsepower in the brains department, not that he is dumb, just glib.

Not a good choice.

Very interesting discussion on Russia.As Churchill...

2008-08-13T00:44:00.000-04:00

Very interesting discussion on Russia.

As Churchill said, "I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest."

Forget the "Soviet Union". Forget "Communism". Russia is Russia. Since Czarist days, it has always been Russia.

To me the key is "paranoia". If you draw a map and put Russia in the middle you see Russia surrounded by USA and Canada (across the North Pole, Western Europe (NATO) to the west, and Japan and China to the East. Russia, since the beginning of recorded time, thinks it is surrounded by enemies. With a lot of the former eastern European block countries thinking of joining NATO, Russia feels even more paranoid than usual. Putin, a nationalist, feels it is necessary for "Russian self-interest" to flex its muscles to bully the Czech Republic and other former block nations to refrain from joining their enemies, building a "nuclear shield" and threaten Russian security.

I am for democracy, but after an eternity under the Czars, I don't think Russia is ready for it. Remember, democracy as we know it is only 200 years old and many are ready to substitute "security" for "liberty".

Read the Steve Huntley in today’s Chicago Sun Time...

2008-08-12T20:20:00.000-04:00

Read the Steve Huntley in today’s Chicago Sun Times Very good statement of the state of play re Georgia. http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/1102552,CST-EDT-hunt12.article Pick it up off Real Clear Politics.

On the Georgian War, Obama showed no leadership. He basically followed the lead of the President Bush and John McCain.

McCain in particular showed leadership on this. While Bush seemed to squander the opportunity to confront Putin in Beijing, McCain got out in front and condemned the Russians for their naked act of aggression against our democratic ally and vowed to make them pay, a sentiment echoed at the Bush administration. And a couple of days later by the Obama campaign.

Obama was lead by McCain on this.

He got himself schooled.

Ready to lead?

Olberove:Nice try on that. All ready appeasing th...

2008-08-12T19:35:00.000-04:00

Olberove:

Nice try on that. All ready appeasing the Russians. You are dupe. Fooled by the pretext that Putin is using to threaten the only Democracy standing bw Russia and all of Europe's oil.

Pete Kent: South Ossetia actually wants to break a...

2008-08-12T19:08:00.000-04:00

Pete Kent: South Ossetia actually wants to break away from Georgia and join Russia. Georgia tried to bully S.O. and woke a bear up. Russia actually has a bit of right on its side here while 'the West' post-Afghanistan/Iraq has zero moral authority to do anything apart from the odd hypocritical tut-tut. Obviously, neocons like your good self don't believe in the right for peoples to self-determination (qv Afghanistan, Iraq).

U and Schweitzer need to get a room, N-boy! Go Seb...

2008-08-12T19:00:00.000-04:00

U and Schweitzer need to get a room, N-boy! Go Sebster!

Huge democracy rally going on in Tiblisi, Georgia,...

2008-08-12T14:01:00.000-04:00

Huge democracy rally going on in Tiblisi, Georgia, right now. 1000s waving American flags.

Edwards fading from the news.

Will there be a McCain surge in tonight's polling?

Clark has denounced "New York money men" who suppo...

2008-08-12T13:56:00.000-04:00

Clark has denounced "New York money men" who support Israel--a not so subtle attack on the American Jewish community. With many of the plausible choices for VP, Obama could receive 75% of the Jewish vote (comparable to what Kerry, Gore, Clinton, etc. received). But choosing Clark as VP would drive Obama's share of the Jewish vote down to lower levels than any Democrat other than Jimmy Carter has received in the past 48 years.

@Gridlock...Powell? POWELL??Excuse me while I go c...

2008-08-12T13:51:00.000-04:00

@Gridlock...

Powell? POWELL??

Excuse me while I go change my pants into a dry pair...

Lemme guess, you were all KERRY/MCCAIN!!!in 2004?

Hmm... perhaps you supported Edwards as VP in 2004 to get NC's 15 electoral votes? Remember how well that turned out? In retrospect, McCain might have been a better pick for Kerry... he was much more independent back then... and as a war hero himself he would have been an excellent VP "attack dog" to forcefully denounce the Swift Boat allegations.

I'd like to see him pick Sibelius but my head says Kaine.

Virginia has 13 ECVs..

Don't count on Kaine making much of a difference in VA; his approval ratings there are nothing special.

Also - doesn't ObamaKaine sound like a really, really good painkiller?

ObamaKaine sounds more like "Oba-McCain" to me. ;-) While Powell was working behind the scenes to avoid the Iraq invasion (and resigned as soon as he thought it was appropriate to do so), Kaine was publicly praising it as akin to the American Revolution.

clark was my fave about a month and a half ago, bu...

2008-08-12T12:08:00.000-04:00

clark was my fave about a month and a half ago, but then he had his tryout and he bombed. he made his little comment about "just because mccain got shot down in a plane doesn't make him qualified" which, while technically true - made him look like a sore sport.

he then proceeded to step all over obama's patriotism week with his explanations.

i do think the best choice should have some foreign policy gravitas - bayh or biden - but if he doesn't have message discipline, i can't see him as a VP.

Good for you, James, on calling out Nate for his m...

2008-08-12T12:03:00.000-04:00

Good for you, James, on calling out Nate for his misguided notion of moral equivalence bw Russia and the US. it is that sort of thinking when it is expressed in public by a politican that iscalled a "gaffe". It is the reason why left wing dems lose elections. They don't get it: America first people. let's not air our dirty laundry in public.

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The long knives are out for Bayh. read today's NYTs. OMG he suported the War! Toast! Finished! maoveon.org is taking a cautious view at the moment.

Who's left? Nova Kaine? My anti-pick for y'all!

I've been thinking the same thing Gridlock (about ...

2008-08-12T11:22:00.000-04:00

I've been thinking the same thing Gridlock (about the painkiller I mean). There are so many ludicrous comments on this thread I don't even know where to start. First of all, what exactly is wrong with trying to rein in a province that thinks they can go join your neighbor or secede? The U.S. did the same thing after the Civil War. The fact that Nate doesn't think we have the right to condemn Russia for invading an ally of ours because we invaded Iraq is ridiculous. Russia is the aggressor here. South Ossetia is recognized by the international community as an autonomous region of Georgia. Therefore Georgia has the right to claim it.

Also - doesn't ObamaKaine sound like a really, rea...

2008-08-12T11:09:00.000-04:00

Also - doesn't ObamaKaine sound like a really, really good painkiller?

Powell? POWELL??Excuse me while I go change my pan...

2008-08-12T11:08:00.000-04:00

Powell? POWELL??

Excuse me while I go change my pants into a dry pair...

Lemme guess, you were all KERRY/MCCAIN!!!in 2004?

I'd like to see him pick Sibelius but my head says Kaine.

Virginia has 13 ECVs..