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Jealous or what, Statler?You speak of Mick Jagger....

2009-01-23T03:41:00.000-05:00

Jealous or what, Statler?

You speak of Mick Jagger. For your information, I didn't like Mick Jagger when I was growing up, and I still don't like him.

As to the music from the 60s and 70s 'contaminating' your generation, when I was growing up, I had to listen to the music of my parents' parents generation, and then later to my parents generation. Not just at home, but on the radio, in the elevators, in the stores - everywhere.

Guess what? I survived, and so will you.

Statler -

Grow up and face it that EVERY generation blames all the current ills of the world on the previous generation. My generation did. My parents generation did. And my grandparents' generation did.

Eventually, you'll find out that it wasn't the entire preceding generation that was the cause of all the (perceived) current ills, but just some of that previous generation were the real fuck-ups. And you'll find that many of YOUR generation are fuck-ups just as some in the previous generations were. Some generations have more fucked-upped people than other generations, but you'll learn that EVERY generation has at least more than a nominal number.

Oh, and if it wasn't for some of the Baby Boomer generation fighting for gay rights, police would still feel free to go into any and every gay bar in the US, beating up and arresting your sorry ass, just because you were in a gay bar.

If it wasn't for some of the Baby Boomer generation fighting for civil rights of ALL people, there would still be segregated facilities in most states.

But it wasn't just the Baby Boomer generation that gave you some of the privileges and rights that you now have. My generation got inspiration from some of the previous generation, and the generation before them, and the generation before them.

Many of the gay civil rights that now exist can be traced back to the work performed by members of the Mattachine Society, founded in 1950. Adults started the Mattachine Society, so that means the founders were NOT the Baby Boomer generation.

The ACLU got it's start as the National Civil Liberties Bureau (NCLB) in 1917. The founders were the Baby Boomers' grandparents' generation, or even their parent's generation.

So stop your blaming each and every ill you perceive on the Baby Boomers. Eventually you'll be mature enough to realize that your generation owes much to previous generations; that sometime in the future members of your own generation will deservedly earn your scorn; and eventually you'll hear the next generation bitch and complain about your own generation.

That's life, so get prepared to get used to it.

By the way, exactly how many times can you type th...

2009-01-23T01:15:00.000-05:00

By the way, exactly how many times can you type the phrase "As a matter of fact" at the front of every sentence, anyway?

Probably alot. Hey, I read all the time about how you guys used to say "don't trust anybody over 30" and how you used to try to make a place for your own generation to express itself, artistically, politically.

Why is it that the same generation that did that has such a hard time getting out of the way and letting the next generation through?

Or was it just about you all along? From cradle to grave, the whole fucking world has to just sit there and focus on you. We can never focus on our own lives, we just have to pretend that everything that ever happens must be seen through the lens of 1968, even if we were not alive in 1968, have no memories of watergates or kennedys or vietnams or nixons.

Because everything we do is so fucking inferior to those goleden days, isn't it? Our music is inferior, our art is inferior, our politics are inferior.

You don't want us to grow up and find our own voice. You want us to mimic your voice.

Well, fuck you, I'm speaking in my own voice and my own context, and you can take 1968 and go shove it up your self-righteous ass.

Like it or not, you can't be in charge of everything forever. Eventually you're going to have to retire and let us have a chance at it.

The sooner the better if you ask me.

Aha! So you are a smart hypocrite, and therefore b...

2009-01-23T01:03:00.000-05:00

Aha! So you are a smart hypocrite, and therefore better than a stupid hypocrite.

Clinton, hmm.....oh yeah! The DOMA guy! and DADT too. And then he gutted AFDC. Yeah, Clinton. Hmm.

Listen, I grew up in the shadow of a generation that refuses to let go. The movies int eh theaters are largely remakes of sitcoms from your youth. Music that reminds you of your 20's clogs the airwaves. Everyone talks in terms of -gates, because the only scandal that defines everything is Watergate, and they all talk about who the new Kennedy is, instead of judging Obama as being great in his own right, and not someone that merely emulates the guy from the past.

Your past, your ever present past that never goes away. Mick Jagger staggers across the stage with a walker because there's no room for us on that stage when it's so crowded with Boomers. Every body wants it to be 1968 again.

You get to own everything. We have to wait till you die to be in charge.

Some of us just want to be young and enjoy our youth in the present, and not have everything be a footnote to 40 years ago.

Gramps, when someone my age gets dramatic and histrionic, it,s normal. When you do it, it's pathetic. Got any of that maturity you preach about all the time?

Or did that stop getting manufactured in 1968 too?

I don't want to hear about the good old days anymore. Your halcyon days are gone. Would it be so much to ask for you to let me enjoy mine in peace?

Did the WW2 generation choke out your youth like you're choking out ours?

Statler N Waldorf said...your generation fucked ev...

2009-01-23T00:46:00.000-05:00

Statler N Waldorf said...
your generation fucked everything up in a self-indulgent drive first in the sixties where you swallowed any pill you could get your hands on and fucked int he middle of the road

Excuse me, but what some did does NOT mean that everyone did.

then in the eighties when you acted like moralizing fuckwads and elected Reagan

Excuse me, but what some did does NOT mean that everyone did.

As a matter of fact, I was wearing "Impeach Nixon" buttons in 1973, way before most Americans had ever heard of Watergate, even though Watergate occurred in 1972.

As a matter of fact, I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976.

As a matter of fact, I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980.

As a matter of fact, I voted for Walter Mondale in 1984.

because you were nice and moral christians but gay people weren't.

During the 1960s, I was a member of a church, one of the few denominations that provided attorneys for war and draft protesters. I stopped going to church at the end of the 1960s for a couple of reasons - the denomination didn't have a church where I then lived, and I became thoroughly disgusted with the holier-than-thou attitude of most [so-called] Christians.

Oh, and I'm gay myself.

Then you voted for both Bushes.

As a matter of fact, I voted for Michael Dukakis in 1988.

As a matter of fact, I voted for William Clinton in 1992 (and in 1996).

As a matter of fact, I voted for Al Gore in 2000.

As a matter of fact, I voted for John Kerry in 2004.

Note: I stated I voted 'for' the candidates. It was not a ballot cast in favor of the lesser of two evils, it was an actual vote FOR the candidate.

Pro peace when you're eligible for the draft. Pro war when you age out of that.

I was pro peace from before I was eligible for the draft, and in fact, if I had been drafted (I had a student deferment, and might have been deferred for medical reasons), I would have 'joined' as a conscientious objector. After the draft ended, I still was pro peace, and I still am.

The word hippie was a contraction for hypocrite.

The only hypocrites around here are the jack-ass trolls, and the idiots who ascribe the attributes (or lack thereof) of some members of a generation to the entire generation.

You, Statler, are described in the second part of the preceding sentence.

Not every member of the Baby Boomer generation was a hippie.

Not every member of the Baby Boomer generation was pro peace when the draft faced them, then pro war after they were too old to be drafted. Many were pro peace when they faced the draft, and after they no longer were affected by the draft.

Not every member of the Baby Boomer generation supported Ronnie Ray-gun.

Not every member of the Baby Boomer generation supported either of the Bushes.

Are you forgetting that President Clinton was a member of the Baby Boomer generation? I'd love to see you say to his face that ALL Baby Boomers supported both Bushes. The only question would be if he'd laugh at you for your stupidity, or punch in the face for your stupidity.

You see, only a STUPID hypocrite ascribes to an entire generation the attributes (or lack thereof) of a portion of a generation.

billbgYou argue Coleman's case very well. Can you ...

2009-01-23T00:26:00.000-05:00

billbg

You argue Coleman's case very well.

Can you explain why he has hair that makes his head look like Max Headroom with a graying mullet?

That is not Congressional hair. The Courts will recognize this, and order him to get it styled or drop the suit.

Pragmatus wrote: "Legal questions as to counting a...

2009-01-23T00:16:00.000-05:00

Pragmatus wrote: "Legal questions as to counting absentee ballots were resolved in court, and they were counted according to stipulations laid out by the court."

No. In its Jan. 5 decision, the MN Supreme Court ruled that an election contest trial was the proper forum to resolve outstanding disputes over counting absentee ballots.

As well, both the Canvassing Board and the MN Supreme Court ruled that disputes over alleged double-counted ballots also should be resolved by the election contest trial.

Pragmatus also asserted: "The result of all this was that the Canvassing Board declared Al Franken the winner."

Sorry, but the Canvassing Board merely certified the results of the election. They went out of their way to specifically state they were not declaring anyone the winner.

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I think you meant 'pretext' not 'pretense.'

Speaking of haircuts, I got mine cut last Wednesda...

Personally I believe the only reason why Coleman i...

Statler N Waldorf said... Oh Mike, It would ...

The instinct to attack Democrats is merely instinc...

Billbg, you have yet to answer the question of why...

@ billbg -- "Huh? MN statutes require that the law...

Statler N Waldorf wrote: "You argue Coleman's case...

Hello billbg,Your comments are on the money -- Nat...

@Tripp-I do not know if there is an official/conse...

Oh shit! another aging hipster. Listen, do we real...

Statler,I know children. I've cared for and raise...

Grampa Mike,Are you shaking your cane at me?Those ...

Coleman should have conceded. When Coleman challen...

The NY Times says it definiely is Gallibrand in NY...

Hey guys, take a break from arguing and go vote.Fi...

Jealous or what, Statler?You speak of Mick Jagger....

By the way, exactly how many times can you type th...

Aha! So you are a smart hypocrite, and therefore b...

Statler N Waldorf said...your generation fucked ev...

billbgYou argue Coleman's case very well. Can you ...

Pragmatus wrote: "Legal questions as to counting a...

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