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well... it just shows the media bias... nothing wa...

2008-11-21T13:44:00.000-05:00

well... it just shows the media bias... nothing was reported on the "golden boy" by the media except for fox news... nothing was reported on the money sucking congress full of democrats except by fox news.... lots of video of congress screwing up our economy not reported by the media, but no one wants to see that... it might be true and that would be soooo awful for the democrat agenda to make our country dry up and blow away by itself for the terrorists... and other enemies.

The sad thing I see on this site is that although ...

2008-11-21T13:43:00.000-05:00

The sad thing I see on this site is that although you have the whole of washington your still pissed and intolerant... how childish and ignorant. Hope this country can handle the next 2 years... then maybe we will hopefully have a few brains elected into congress and senate again. AND it can't be a push poll after an election...ignorance abound...

When Nader observed that there was no effective di...

2008-11-20T18:06:00.000-05:00

When Nader observed that there was no effective differences between the Democratic and Republican Parties, I believe he meant that they were dedicated more to power than policy, not that there was no personal difference between Gore and Bush. In fact, following the 2000 election, I sent Nader a daily Email, “Can you tell the difference yet?” This was to underscore his sloppy use of language.

What would Gore have done following 9/11?

With LIEberman as his vice president?

Maybe we were not much worse off after all.

However, the error of the Greens’ was their refusal to accept that we the people, at best, are able to chose the lesser of two evils. Gore, even with the detriment of VP LIEberman, was the lesser of the two evils in 2000.

This is also why comments by jackasses like “ron” and “susan” which insist that we must put party “loyalty” ahead of our national interest are in fact disloyal to America. The Democratic Party as represented by OUR senators has demonstrated that disloyalty, and dishonesty have no consequences. Allowing LIEberman to retain all his powers signals to our friends and enemies that the Democrats are weak. Plus, “ron” and others are apparently too stupid to realize that outrage at LIEbermans succor at the hands of his other septuagenarian pals in the senate is not the same as hating Obama. It should be obvious to even a naïve observer that Obama resigned his senate seat to avoid the LIEberman vote.

I don't know of a single appointment by the Messia...

2008-11-20T00:31:00.000-05:00

I don't know of a single appointment by the Messiah that is not a resurrected Clinton drone. Where is the damm 'change' he was preaching?
As far a Liberman is concerned, he is a leftist-except for the war against Islamic terrorism.

I see. And now that every Democrat knows that ther...

2008-11-19T14:50:00.000-05:00

I see. And now that every Democrat knows that there is no penalty for stabbing the President in the face, that there is no penalty for actively campaigning for the Republican side? When President Obama asks them to do something that may be unpopular in their district, what incentive do they have not to go across the aisle and vote with the Republicans? How much "political capital" does he supposedly have if he doesn't have enough "political capital" to punish someone who claims to be a Democrat but who actively campaigned for John McCain?

It seems to me that when Bill Clinton tried to pus...

2008-11-19T10:25:00.000-05:00

It seems to me that when Bill Clinton tried to push a health care bill through a Democratic House and Senate during his first 100 days he was told where he could put it. The lesson, I believe, is that Obama would be wise to accumulate every possible advantage if he wants to get things done, which in this case means keeping Lieberman close. In gaming terms, he is stacking the modifiers.

The implied threat has to be mightier than the execution here. If necessary, Lieberman can still be de-caucused and stripped of his committee positions.

I understand the political and practical calculus ...

2008-11-19T10:09:00.000-05:00

I understand the political and practical calculus applied to LIEberman's retention in the caucus. I understand the weighing of pros and cons among those actually in the Senate who will have to live with the consequences. I understand their decision to keep LIEberman in the tent and I am comfortable that they decided it is in the best interests of the remainder of the Senate Democratic caucus.

That said, I do not hear from LIEberman anything remotely approaching an actual apology. Reciting that one "regrets saying" something isn't the same as saying you are sorry and admitting that what you did was wrong.

LIEberman lied. LIEberman said things vile and hurtful.

The Senators may have decided to keep him in the caucus. But, I do not forgive him.

After reading MORE comments, there is a lot of "gi...

2008-11-19T09:47:00.000-05:00

After reading MORE comments, there is a lot of "gimme gimme gimme" whiners here. and "SHOCK", they hate Lieberman and like (LOVE?) Obama.
the problem with this is, when things get worse, they same whiners will still blame someone else because they didn't get all they want.
poll was straightforward, EASY, and yes, made to provide information about the MEDIA.
The 1st Amendment protected the press because the Framers knew a government controlled press is dangerous to its citizens. When the press abandons its responsibility to FULLY inform the citizens, then it is just as dangerous as a government controlled media. That is the point.

As far as I know, the only things Leib really has ...

2008-11-19T00:42:00.000-05:00

As far as I know, the only things Leib really has a bug up his ass about are Iraq and Israel. Otherwise he's a fairly progressive, even liberal, Democrat. From what I understand, it was Obama's call to let him keep his chairmanship. Which is another indication of how smart, even ruthless, Obama is.

This lets Obama point to an act of forgineness and "bi-partisanship." Plus, if they later decide to yank it away from him, they can do that later, after the camera are no longer obsessing over Obama. Plus, the chairmanship gives Obama and his Senate allies a nice big club to hold over Leiberman's head now.

"You don't want to lose your big, juicy chairmanship, do you Joe? Of course not. So you're certainly going to vote the right way, the Obama way, on anything coming down the pike, aren't you? Because we can always yank it away from you. Unless you keep playing ball."

If you are a true liberal or democrat, suggest you...

2008-11-18T22:43:00.000-05:00

If you are a true liberal or democrat, suggest you apply yourselves to some real issues; there are plenty of them out there.

If "HATE" is what it's all about, I would suggest you find out about the issues and decide what you stand for, and work against the real enemy.

There are still 61 days until Obama has an effective role in government, and we've just suffered almost 8 years of almost unmitigated damage. If your hate is more important than working for truth and justice, you aren't a Democrat anyway. That's what we got from Bush/Cheney, exploitation of hate, front and center.

I trust Obama on this. Lieberman knows that they h...

2008-11-18T22:31:00.000-05:00

I trust Obama on this. Lieberman knows that they have him by the shorthairs. He'll fall in line like a good soldier or he'll get crushed.

We HATE Lieberman.I don't "hate" anyone, not even ...

2008-11-18T21:29:00.000-05:00

We HATE Lieberman.

I don't "hate" anyone, not even a slimy scumbag of a liar like Joe "Likud" Lieberman. That said, let me tell you what the practical effect of this has been on me.

I had been thinking of donating to the Martin campaign in Georgia. Forget it. A couple days ago, I got an e-mail under James Carville's signature asking for money for a Louisiana candidate, Paul Carmouche, who'll be in a runoff.

Sorry Paul. Sorry Jim. The Democrats in Congress don't give a shit about the Democratic Party, so I think I'll go shop for another flat screen TV.

Kid G said... Sorry, but you sound like a PUMA....

2008-11-18T21:17:00.000-05:00

Kid G said... Sorry, but you sound like a PUMA.

I like making lists, so i went ahead and do a google search for all those angry posters above, and guess what I found? Half of them are first time posters. Looks like PUMA is alive after all.

I for one welcome the following to 538:
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Gary S. Hurd
Russ Martocci
Tirian
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Okay, seriously?Dean needs to go grow a backbone. ...

2008-11-18T21:02:00.000-05:00

Okay, seriously?

Dean needs to go grow a backbone. I know he lost it somewhere (maybe Hillary stole it?) but seriously.

My generation is for kicking him to the curb.

Its the old cowards who are against it. We HATE Lieberman.

PeterKent and all you soreloser Republicans preten...

2008-11-18T20:41:00.000-05:00

PeterKent and all you soreloser Republicans pretending to be 'disillusioned democrats' amuse me to no end.

Obama's NOT EVEN IN OFFICE YET, and you're already expecting him to part the red sea, fill his cabinet with people you like (lol sorry Rush Limbaugh ain't gonna be getting an offer) and insta-fix the recession.

Its pathetic how the red half of this country have learned to actually CELEBRATE their ignorance and lack of intellectual capacity, to the point of rooting for a VP candidate who is just like them - friendly, sexually arousing but ultimately shallow, incapable, bigoted and STUPID. Al Gore got it so right in the title of his book. We are facing a massive assault on reason and logical thought.

Thankfully, the saner half of America won this election. Your make-believe 'analytical' posts aren't going to change anything PeterKent. And I wouldn't worry about you being here till 2012. Your obesity will kill you before then.

See, this is looking like Bill Clinton all over ag...

2008-11-18T20:25:00.000-05:00

See, this is looking like Bill Clinton all over again. With him, it was All About Bill. The Democratic Party was as much enemy as friend in his eyes, and as a result the Republicans took Congress and then the presidency, and undid everything he accomplished.

Obama has a lot of freedom to do his thing, and I know it. But the time will come when Democrats will want money. I gave Obama $2,300 only after he started campaigning like a Democrat in mid-September. If he governs like a triangulator, it'll be the last money he ever gets from me.

Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat. In my book, he's even worse than a Republican. He a slimy, scumbag of a liar, and I recognize NO argument for keeping him in the chairmanship of any committee. I think this was entirely an insider AIPAC power play.

Has anyone noticed that Obama's people have also said they won't prosecute torture? The early signs here are not one bit good.

be gone Obama is a pragmatist; if you have not fig...

2008-11-18T20:08:00.000-05:00

be gone Obama is a pragmatist; if you have not figured that out then fuck you again be gone and start working for Nader 2012

Hey, fine by me. The senator from AIPAC will cause my checkbook to snap shut in 2010 and 2012. If the Democratic Party doesn't care whether someone's a Democrat, then why the fuck should I care about helping them get elected?

@Gary HurdNader helped give us 8 years of Bush. O...

2008-11-18T20:04:00.000-05:00

@Gary Hurd
Nader helped give us 8 years of Bush. Obama has shown wisdom and temperance, and the next 60 days are not the time to make up your mind about what he is doing.

I agree that Lieberman should not chair HS, but don't see how Obama had any control over that. He suggested clemency, but I didn't hear him suggest he keep HS. Only 13 Senators voted against him. I don't get how this is Obama's fault.

Sedi (and a few others),Thanks for injecting sanit...

2008-11-18T19:59:00.000-05:00

Sedi (and a few others),

Thanks for injecting sanity and a few facts into this discussion. I am a liberal but not a radical, and I am holding my breath (not to mention my nose) for the next 61 1/2 days while I watch Team Bush do things like sell off public lands to the oil and gas industry, equate birth control with abortion, and create chaos and instability around the world as well as at home.

I don't agree that Lieberman should have kept Homeland S, but that's because he hasn't done his job there, witness his record. I'd like to know which 13 Senators voted against him, just curious. But a number of other factors were in play, not least of which, you all appear to have forgotten, is that right at the moment we have 51 including Lieberman, the most slender of threads preventing Bush et al. from maximizing those 61 days. It might even be possible that those days were a factor in the decision, don't you think? And I think the rest of you should look at his actual record on non-military issues; it is as stated quite OK, and insisting it is otherwise shows you don't know what you're talking about.

If you think Bush and Obama have anything in common, you need your head examining. Bush has messed up in every conceivable way in the last 8 years, and we are paying for it. Obama, so far, is laying the groundwork for radical changes in the way we approach problems, witness the 60 minutes appearance, for example. He did *not* let Poland get away with claiming he supported missile defense, for example.

Re Supreme Court, don't be too disappointed. The likely replacements in the next few years are all liberal, so we still have a problem there. If Obama were not in place, we would lose the slender protection we have there from mayhem.

It's magic thinking to think Obama has the power to make the kind of changes you are insisting his not making are to his discredit. Wait for January 20, please, and focus your attention on issues that can be affected, like advocating against all the anti-environment stuff etc. that is going down every day until then while you are busy ranting.