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The media, among others, are lending far too much ...

2009-07-09T11:16:36.384-04:00

The media, among others, are lending far too much credibility to SP. Her words are a jumbled, nonsensical mess. It's like throwing a bunch of words in the air and attempting to assemble them into something meaningful once they land, with rare success. We have already seen where it leads the country if our leader has niether the common sense nor intelligence (W) to understand his/her duties as President. Have we not learned any lessons from the Bush Admin? It is frighteningly frustrating to watch all of this unfold...helpless in avoiding a President Palin someday. She may be a fine mother, sister, wife etc. But she falls far short of having the qualifications to run our country.

But what else should we judge politicians on besid...

2009-07-09T00:12:14.642-04:00

But what else should we judge politicians on besides their cheekbones? Policy Schmolicy

Palin Finis? I frankly take her at her word. She ...

2009-07-08T17:28:42.575-04:00

Palin Finis?
I frankly take her at her word. She had lost her effectiveness as Governor as her enemies made a tormented target out of her to the point where in good conscience she could not continue and discharge her duty. She is right that the state of AK does not need her -- others can do the job. And if she wants to make a difference for the Nation, she is right too that she does not need to cling to her platform as governor to do so.

It is rank speculation at this point as to the impact all this will have on her political ambitions -- whatever they may be. The chattering classes are in an uproar, they cannot fathom it. The CV is that she has committed political suicide. Who knows? In the Age of Obama anything is possible.

I suspect she will not run 2012 but will from this moment on be an active and perhaps leading part of the Opposition to Obama. If she is successful at this, I think she can sit back and wait to be drafted as VEEP. It would be, I think, too great a stretch for her to be elected President after the savage treatment she received. She knows this too, I bet.

But there is no reason why she could not fulfill ably and even spectacularly the role that John McCain first cast her in. Once in the West Wing she becomes an heir apparent and our presumptive first woman president.

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth continue!

petekent01 (on twitter)

@Delorian: "I have been insulted by Pete Kent. Is...

2009-07-08T01:08:31.139-04:00

@Delorian: "I have been insulted by Pete Kent. Is my initiation complete, or are there any other steps I need to take before joining the club?" Nope, you're a full-fledged member now!

@Pragmatus: I have to disagree sharply on a couple of points. First of all, you think the next Ice Age will come before global warming kicks in? No, the glaciations are on cycles of tens of thousands of years; the warming will be doing a lot of damage this century.
Secondly, the Reagan deficits sucked out trillions of dollars from the investment pool: all those trillions of dollars invested into non-productive Treasury paper mean trillions of dollars of plant that did not get built or renovated, and the absence of that plant is a scar on our economy to this day. Like lots of people, I heard rumors about an economic boom under Reagan, but did not actually know anybody who was doing well; it depended on where you lived. In some parts of the country, military bases or extractive industries fueled a boom during those years, but that was transitory, while the deindustrialization of the nation was permanent.

Palin - I'll be honest. I don't like her. I don't ...

2009-07-07T22:18:32.727-04:00

Palin - I'll be honest. I don't like her. I don't like her personally. I don't care what she says her policies are. I don't like her fake smile, I don't like her phony presentation, I don't like how she plays the victim all the time, I don't like how self-righteous she is, I don't like how she prostitutes her children to gain political points, I don't like how in the VP debate she flustered through the first half and then snapped out her remaining replies like she was an animal backed into a corner, I don't like how she can't address her answers to the questions that she's asked - unless of course it's about the three topics she know a little about.

I'm jaded - I don't trust any politician to really adhere to their campaign promises. All we have is the circus of the media and the candidates performance art to base our judgments on. And based on her performance art - I'd rather have George W. back in office than see her any where near the presidency. And I don't like George W's performance art either. I say it truthfully, my vote this past election was AGAINST PALIN.

What really bothers me the most is the thought that other people do like her. That there is a subset of the population that doesn't want to pray to the porcelain goddess every time she says something. That people think that a false smile, professing christian values, and not even completing her term as governor of a state that has less population than baltimore qualifies her to be president.

I do like PeteKent though. I like petekent because he hates Obama like I hate Palin and yet still feels like he's justified in his hatred by "rational" "arguments". I like PeteKent, because like a elementary school student he feels the need to personally attack anyone who disagrees with him - in fact, you don't have do anything except not hate on Obama for him to personally attack you. I like how he talks about the future as if it were fact. I like his arrogance - that he thinks that he's educating all us "dupes", like he is the only one has Truth with a capital T. PeteKent makes for some really entertaining performance art. Of course, I wouldn't vote his ass into any position of power, either.

I hope PK has some smarmy comment about my post. Keep entertaining me, Pete!

Mark Hussein - That was the best simile ever. I hope you don't mind me quoting it. As PK pointed out the comparison does tacitly imply that she is a leading contender for the presidency. What he willfully ignores is the direct implication that if she won the presidency it would be a catastrophe on a global scale.

The GOP should be looking for a prior Miss America...

2009-07-07T21:32:43.730-04:00

The GOP should be looking for a prior Miss America with brains and maturity and beg her to run for political office.

The only attraction of Sarah Palin is a more than decent body for a mother of 47 and a face that does not show the ravages of middle age.

Clearly some lust for women who gives new meaning to the phrase stimulus package and John McCain was seduced by the package ignoring that the contents were missing.

Instead the GOP is confronted with a President of color who can actually communicate thoughtfully and in full sentences and the GOP is stuck holding out hope that Palin will somehow drink from the fountain of knowledge and emerge as smart.

I still look in the mirror everyday hoping that my hair will grow back and the lines of old age will somehow change. The GOP and I have unrealistic expectations and reality bites.

Well stated, BlueRevolution. Mike in Maryland My...

2009-07-07T20:25:16.824-04:00

Well stated, BlueRevolution.

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@Pragmatus: Opus 132… Well, if we’re keeping sco...

2009-07-07T19:39:44.386-04:00

@Pragmatus:

Opus 132…

Well, if we’re keeping score, you’ve chalked another point up for PK with your post too. See how hard it is to resist? You don’t get any points for “nobility”—you have made a post on the topic of PK the same as anyone else.

Oh, Prag...

You miss the point.

By occasionally posting when PK gets more out of hand than usual, Opus directs who-knows-how-many people to his invaluable troll-blocking GreaseMonkey script. I don't know how he can better inform new 538'ers about it. So, if I give you your point (that his post increased PK's troll count by 1), then it would be fair of you to admit that his script, and his promotion thereof, reduces many users' views of trolls' trollery. If you give him that, you must agree that the net effect of Opus' post on the Troll Topic is positive.

Thanks, Opus. Based on the latest analysis of all available polling, the consensus is that you do, in fact, rock.

PeteKent's comments about Obama's mother and his a...

2009-07-07T18:21:57.335-04:00

PeteKent's comments about Obama's mother and his ancestry just prove my point about the Palin wing of the Republican Party today---insular, isolated, proudly racist. It is not an accident that most the worst excesses of the McCain-Palin campaign occurred at HER rallies. Among the attendees at her politcal gatherings, there was a curious obsession with the 'American values', the 'patriotism', and the 'ancestry' of the Democratic nominee. Even Palin herself repeated the mantra of 'terrorist' over and over again.

So I ask all you conservative bloggers the same question Colin Powell asked---should it really matter to have an African Muslim father? It should not. Obama is as genuinely American as any white person whose ancestors came here in 1620. That anyone still actually questions his constitutional legitimacy to govern is tyical of today's GOP.

Nixon's 'Southern Strategy' of 1972, which forged a lasting conservative coalition largely along racial lines, has at last borne its ugliest fruit. Today's fervent GOP footsoldiers, underneath all of the rhetoric, are just afraid of America's demographic future.

Either you believe that America's values are transcendent and are not tied to the accomplishments and continued presence of a European-descended majority, or you are a white nationalist and believe that America is going into the tiolet because the torch has been passed to 'lesser, darker' folk. You can't have it both ways. Palin's most fervent followers lie clearly in the latter group. If the GOP wants to be relevant into the 21st century, they are going to have to rid themselves of that racist lot and re-cast modern conservativism as universal.

As for the GOP candidates in 2012? Good luck with that.

Yeah, I know not to feed the trolls but Peter Ken...

2009-07-07T18:19:17.892-04:00

Yeah, I know not to feed the trolls but Peter Kent is too funny!

Peter, you explained that Obama's mother was Muslim-loving does seem to me to be an inadequate reason for enrolling him first in a Catholic school. (I'm paying you a tremendous compliment of assuming that you believe even some of what you are saying.)

Secondly, if you meant that the two men that she married were Moslem wrong again:Obama's father was an atheist as was she.

Thirdly, first time I heard that welfare depended on where an American citizen was born -- Presidency yes, welfare no.

Keep it straight.

Delorian… You sound a lot like me, except I am v...

2009-07-07T17:27:01.794-04:00

Delorian…

You sound a lot like me, except I am very unoptimistic that cap and trade will provide any meaningful relief from CO2 buildup. You are correct in pointing to India and China as the biggest obstacles, while I would add the possibility of homegrown shenanigans that would render such a system equally ineffective. (I’m also one of those guys who thinks global warming doesn’t matter in the long run—we will have another Ice Age before we will have a runaway greenhouse.)

And although I am concerned with the ballooning deficit too, keeping it in context is helpful to my nerves. Ronald Reagan ran up three trillion dollars of debt in the 1980s, and remember those were 1980s dollars. His shortfall was massively larger than the current one in terms of percentage of GDP, and it was Dick Cheney who stated, at the outset of George W. Bush’s tax cuts, that “Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.” So for the time being I will take Mr. Cheney at his word, and also take comfort in the fact that World War II expenditures by the US reached a heart-stopping 200% of GDP in 1944 and ’45, yet the post-war inflation had been brought under control by 1950. If I understand macro economics, sometimes money needs to be shoveled willy-nilly into the furnace.

I sincerely hope you come back and post here again. I’m always quite interested in alternate points of view.

BTW if Fox News is getting ready to pay Sarah Pali...

2009-07-07T17:10:42.921-04:00

BTW if Fox News is getting ready to pay Sarah Palin a bag of cash for a regular show Liz "both, if we could" Trotta sure didn't get the memo.

I have been insulted by Pete Kent. Is my initiati...

2009-07-07T17:00:00.647-04:00

I have been insulted by Pete Kent. Is my initiation complete, or are there any other steps I need to take before joining the club?

For the benefit of the rest of the readers:

Cap & Trade - I believe we need to encourage conversion to renewable energy, through a combination of tax breaks for production/use of renewable methods, and regulations/taxes to discourage fossil fuel use. My biggest concern regarding cap and trade is that we can't control what others (India and China) do, so it may encourage outsourcing, rather than reducing, of fossil fuel production. However, the fact that any bill is being discussed is a good thing, as this is an issue that will need to be addressed, and the sooner the better.

Health Care Reform - I support this. Health care should be a right, not a privilege.

Coddling Dictators - This is not what he is doing.

Wasteful unstimulative spending - This does concern me, as I alluded to previously.

So that's one thumbs up, one thumbs down, one in between, and one 'not applicable'. In other words, somewhere in the middle, like I said.

Delorian, I'm glad that you decided to comment he...

2009-07-07T16:53:46.190-04:00

Delorian,
I'm glad that you decided to comment here. There is a lot of assertion and speculation from both sides (and certainly from me) as to what will and will not appeal to voters such as yourself. Hopefully you can make the discussion more "empirical" as you weigh in more frequently.

You have already seen the response from one side regarding your 'apostasy'. I'd be interested in how persuasive you find this approach to be.

Palin will only be able to make it: 1. In print, ...

2009-07-07T16:53:13.066-04:00

Palin will only be able to make it:

1. In print, and only then with an iron-fisted editor who has the power to edit Palin's ramblings to a somewhat coherent semblance of unity and intelligence - in other words, to completely rewrite what Palin writes; or

2. On Faux News, where the 'viewers' are only viewing, not listening.

She has no hope of making it on radio, as her scatter-shot, rambling, incoherent and inconsistent 'information' will drive people away. After all, when a person is on the radio, there are no visuals to entice a person to stay tuned.

Mike in Maryland

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PeteKent… One more thing—you claim that “the con...

2009-07-07T16:49:54.346-04:00

PeteKent…

One more thing—you claim that “the conservative majoirity [sic] . . . is growing larger every day”. This is a slight misstatement. The conservative majority isn’t growing; it’s the conservatives themselves. They’re getting fatter. It’s what happens when you sit around fulminating in front of a computer screen all day, stuffing yourself with chips and HoHos.

Palin as "social warrior" totally misses the point...

2009-07-07T16:43:03.692-04:00

Palin as "social warrior" totally misses the point. Social issues have never been a major part of her politics. Palin's appeal is a variation on Ron Paul's appeal, and more linked to the still misunderstood Tea Party phenomenon (where they now actively BOO most Republicans who show up).

She represents a populist uprising against both parties, against the monied well-connected elites who run Washington more or less the same way no matter which party wins. The irony here is that most of these populists hate Bush as much as anyone. How people could see her as some kind of Bush redux is baffling to her supporters.

Palin is the anti-candidate. Everything she does that upends, confuses or undermines the traditional political approach only furthers her appeal.

In a nation of dysfunctional government in places like CA and NY, not to mention DC, a true radical that doesn't play by the same rules has an appeal the pundits can't fathom.

History shows these types of figures are the truly transformative ones, either for good or bad.

And PK points out that Obama's popularity is the s...

2009-07-07T16:40:51.404-04:00

And PK points out that Obama's popularity is the same as it was on election day. When he won, remember. And he quotes the most right wing of pollsters to make that point. Do we dare compare his popularity rating now with George W Bush's a year ago?

PeteKent… I accused you yesterday of having an e...

2009-07-07T16:40:13.373-04:00

PeteKent…

I accused you yesterday of having an education. I hereby take that back. I was wrong. Anyone who can’t find his way through the thicket presented by the word “Neanderthal” deserves all the sympathy he can get.

Pk wrote Obama is the one who is ruining the econo...

2009-07-07T16:36:28.823-04:00

Pk wrote
Obama is the one who is ruining the economy with his false economic plan and unsustainable deficits. Bush did not create the financial bubble that burst -- these things have been part and parcel of the business cycle for years. In fact, he lifted the nation out of the Clinton recession he inherited with the tried and true remedy of tax rate cuts.
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Wow, that was almost Palinesque in its flipping back on itself as comments go.

What PK seems to be saying is that 6 months of Obama has ruined the economy that Bush had no hand in. And in fact Bush helped the economy recover from the 'Clinton recession'. I mean wow. So Obama and Clinton were the cause of economic failure, Bush was not. In fact Bush helped the eceonomy recover!

I have no issue with the argument that actually a President can't do that much to help the economy, but if your going to make that argument, you have to accept that a succesful economy is not the President's achievement.

(And I haven't even mentioned that the 'Clinton Recession' is somewhat of a myth. You could I suppose blame the recession which started once Bush was in office on Clinton's economic policies, but again to do that and then turn around and claim that Bush has nothing to do with the current economy is somewhat inconsistent.)

Put it this way PK, honestly if you had taken over as President in January, what would you have done? How would you have handled the economy differently?

I have a personal theory that this economic downturn has had little to do with politicians. I think this is an economic collapse that has a lot to do with a very short term view on lending and capital having been taken by the financial industry. I have a feeling it was probably 20 years in the making, at least, and short of more regulation of financial activities and the financial industry I can't really see how government could have acted to avoid it. I am not entirely convinced that any government activity is going to improve the economy, unless some kind of massive public works program could happen, maybe for instance building sources of renewable energy. I think what is needed is activity to make sure that its worst excesses aren't that bad. I think that does involve government investment and it does involve making sure that as many people as possible have adequate health insurance. It might be better that this wasn't done as deficit spending, but short of huge tax rises thats probably inevitable.

Prgmatus, Do you actually have anything to say or...

2009-07-07T16:35:15.056-04:00

Prgmatus,

Do you actually have anything to say or do you just exist to criticize my posts and those of the other posters you disagree with?

I am here to afficted the comfortable, by pointing out the falacious dream world you all live in.

With NBC News at the van, you all live in some sort of reversed lens of the Truman Show or something.

You all just want to dismiss Palin as some sort of money hungry Neandethal. I am here to remind you of her charming authenticity and the fact that the conservative majoirty in the is country loves her - - a majority that is growing larger everyday.

Did you all notice in Rasmussen's numbers Obama has sunk back to where he was on election day? A marginally successful candidate. He reached his peak in Janaury and its been all downhill from there.

As his economic programs are unmasked as failures, and as people continue their very real suffering under his wrong-headed policies they will turn on him in droves.

petekent01 (on twitter)

DFelorian, I suspect you are never going to be wo...

2009-07-07T16:27:12.370-04:00

DFelorian,

I suspect you are never going to be won back by the GOP if you are "generally supporting" what Obama is doing now (Cap & Trade, his version Health Care Reform, coddling dictators, wasteful unstimulative spending). None of that is at all consistent with GOP priciples or fiscal conservatism. Then again, perhaps you are not a very keen observer of what is going on . . . in which case STFU!