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Janet might indeed run for Congress later in her c...

2008-11-20T22:48:00.000-05:00

Janet might indeed run for Congress later in her career, but it won't be for McCain or Kyle's Senate seat. If she leaves Arizona with the right wing Legislature and Jan Brewer in charge, Janet would have to try for a seat in New Mexico or Virginia. Arizonans would never trust her again.

I still fail to see how this is a smart career move for somebody who I have (almost) always respected.

Mule Humper, what is your take on the actual topic...

2008-11-20T17:16:00.000-05:00

Mule Humper,
what is your take on the actual topic of this post? I came to this post thinking people would be talking about Janet Napolitano and whether or not she makes a great pick for Homeland Security, and instead I'm reading your hate filled crap about how America is doomed because of liberals? Am I getting that right? Your paranoia is incredible at best, scary at worst. I think you represent what is wrong with this country. Are you proud to be an American? If so, that which you are proud of just handed your party its asses back on a platter and elected the guy you think is going to destroy America. Still proud?

By the way, I think Napolitano makes a great pick, although I think she may be more useful staying in Arizona where she can make a real difference. Not really sure who else I would like in that spot. I would like to see Obama pick Lieberman for some sort of cabinet position though, one that we know he wouldn’t deviate too far from the party in regards to policy. This would be a great idea, in that it would solve the Lieberman-in-the-Senate problem once and for all, and he would be directly under Obama. If he got out of line, it’s much easier to replace a cabinet secretary than a Senator. Plus a Lieberman pick would show that Obama is trying to be all-inclusive, given that Lieberman supported McCain over Obama.

I fully expected to see something like this when M...

2008-11-20T14:27:00.000-05:00

I fully expected to see something like this when McCain announced he was running again in 2010, right after his meeting with Obama. My immediate assumption was that Obama had offered to take Napolitano off the table in exchange for McCain simply continuing to be his old "Mavericky" self, and working with Democrats on issues that he wanted to work on anyway. How could McCain refuse an offer like that?

In spite of the things that were said in the campaign, John McCain is not necessarily a logical target for the Democrats. He has actually been willing to work with Democrats on issues like climate change. McCain could easily become a poster child for the kind of bipartisanship and inclusion that Obama talks about, an especially powerful symbol since McCain was his opponent in the general election.

Obama may be one of the smartest and most Machiavellian Presidents we have had in a long time. If appearances are correct, then in one swoop he got McCain's pledged cooperation on several issues, removed a stumbling block in 2010 to a potential Republican ally, got himself a great candidate for Homeland Security, and set up a viable opponent to John Kyl in 2012 (who is a much more logical target than McCain).

Let's not forget. Truly great Presidents have learned ways to find common ground with the opposition. For example, George W. Norris of Nebraska (a Republican senator) was one of FDR's biggest supporters, and a major supporter of the TVA and Rural Electrification Act.

Well said (or actually typed) KMartDad. Sometimes...

2008-11-20T13:52:00.000-05:00

Well said (or actually typed) KMartDad. Sometimes it seems some of Obama's supporters will not be happy unless the Bush administration is lined up against the wall and the rest of republicans are sent to "re-education" camps. Forget about settling scores; it's all about governing and changing policy.

The people dogging Obama for not being "strong" en...

2008-11-20T13:26:00.000-05:00

The people dogging Obama for not being "strong" enough (yes, David, I mean you) are the same ones who derided him for not being adversarial enough in the debates, who ragged on him for not responding to Ayers-Wright attacks more forcefully, etc. They simply do not get it. When he says he is going to bring change to the ways of Washington, he means it. Those who want to constantly ridicule our opponents rather than work with them; who want to demonize those who disagree with us rather than simply disagree; and punish those who aren't with us all the way are the very ones who will be left behind. Obama marches to his own drummer, and David & his ilk will just have to be "disappointed" that a hawkish prick like McCain isn't our CinC.

Napolitano is certainly very qualified.It will do ...

2008-11-20T13:24:00.000-05:00

Napolitano is certainly very qualified.

It will do the following in Arizona:

1. Elevate secretary of state Jan Brewer, a conservative and partisan Republican to the Governor's office

2. Thereby force the GOP legislature to have to legislate. To a degree they've gone off the deep end on some bills (especially state budgets) knowing that Napolitano would veto them. They can't grandstand anymore, because Brewer will probably sign their budgets. Republicans in the legislature appears to have anticipated this call last week, replacing political clown Jim Weiers with a more pragmatic younger Republican as speaker of the state house.

3. Brewer, as an incumbent will likely get a pass or of challenged, win in the Republican primary. This will frustrate the political ambitions of some other Republicans who were considering running for the Governor's office (Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas OR Sheriff Joe Arpaio in particular, though the two are political allies so it's unlikely that both would run.) Democratic Attorney General Terry Goddard will probably still run for Governor and he might be able to take Brewer (he barely lost a race for Governor in a 1994 runoff, and he won his last race for A.G. by nearly as healthy a margin as Napolitano did) but clearly he will have a more difficult time with her being an incumbent. On the other hand if the economy gets bad he might have an advantage in running against Republican control (since they also run the legislature.)

McCain staying in the Senate (he started forming a re-election committee last week) probably means that some other Republicans will also be frustrated, notably Jeff Flake and John Shadegg, who both had considered running for the Senate.

>>>>A young, female Democrat winning by double dig...

2008-11-20T12:48:00.000-05:00

>>>>A young, female Democrat winning by double digits in a district that is R+1, on the Mexican border, and home to the US Army's interrogation school is pretty impressive-- lots of migrophobes and security hawks, not to mention the people who think she ought to be home having her astronaut husband's babies.

Well, not quite. She's in my district, and I voted for her. Her district also includes most of Tucson, home to the University of Arizona, and has always been traditionally Democratic. Tucson (about a million people) voted for Obama over native-stater McCain. It's a strange district, though: for many years its representative was Jim Kolbe, the only openly gay Republican in Congress. A nice guy personally, but extremely right wing -- I liked him personally but never voted for him. Also, this year, the Dem. was running against a semi-rightwing nut who was *not* supported by the RNC -- I could probably have sat on my front porch a la William McKinley and beat him.

I think this pick is the direct fallout of the Oba...

2008-11-20T12:04:00.000-05:00

I think this pick is the direct fallout of the Obama-McCain meeting on Monday. McCain has stated he's interested in running in 2010. Since the Dems aren't going to get 60 in the Senate, some GOP help will be needed. McCain (and therefore, Graham), will go along with Obama for the most part if Obama puts Napolitano in a Cabinet post, thereby eliminating JSM's most potent challenger in 2010.

Just a theory. Napolitano is very qualified for any role in the admin, this is not intended to be a knock on her.

I submit that others knocking the cabinet picks to...

2008-11-20T11:48:00.000-05:00

I submit that others knocking the cabinet picks to-date should keep in mind that President-elect Obama committed to gathering the best and brightest with a keen focus on diversity; ethnically, gender-wise, party affiliation-wise and geographically.

The AZ Gov fits this commitment. Additionally, I will give the President-elect my full support with whomever he picks for his cabinet. Change is not accomplished simply through bringing in unknown individuals or individuals unexperienced in Washington ways, rather change is accomplished through leadership, vision, direction and creating an environment different (and superior) to the business as usual ways of Washington. Given different leadership, experienced individuals can perform differently.

President Obama will indeed establsh a governing style commensurate with the need to address our problems in a post-partisan manner. We will assist him in his efforts.

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I like you as people and as a country, but I'd lik...

2008-11-20T11:30:00.000-05:00

I like you as people and as a country, but I'd like you even more if you didn't go about reminding people all the time just how wonderful and powerful you are.

Point taken. But I don't think we'd feel it necessary to do that if the rest of the world wouldn't fall into chaos without us.

And to your "wishes"...I respond with:

I wish the rest of the world wasn't over-populating itself at such a rapid rate to cause such strains on the environment and that we would focus on that more as a root cause than through other non-viable means, I wish we hadn't occupied Iraq either but still given them a brutal ass-whipping for violating 17 UN resolutions that called for "dire consequences" if failed to be met, I wish we wouldn't humiliate and torture terror suspects but I wish there weren't people who seek the annihilation of thousands and millions of innocent US civilians so I wish we'd laid their homelands to waste instead of playing hopscotch with them, and I wish there weren't evil factions in the Middle East who seek to eradicate Israel and Jews worldwide.

So, as you see, while I share in may ways your "wishes," I don't define them by a very myopic and naive view of the world.

Sometimes I think we miss the forest for the trees...

2008-11-20T11:25:00.000-05:00

Sometimes I think we miss the forest for the trees. So many are suggesting different political motives in the Napalitano pick. To me, the most obvious and most likely explanation is that Obama wants the best people possible for his cabinet and Napalitano, an early Obama supporter and extremely popular Governor, fits the bill. Political considerations like who runs in the AZ senate race in 2010 or 2012 are secondary.

for goodness sake Mule Rider, get out into the rea...

2008-11-20T11:13:00.000-05:00

for goodness sake Mule Rider, get out into the real world. Try get your international news from more neutral sources, because wherever you are getting it from now is making you paranoid. You also have a very odd view of history.

BTW, just so you know where I stand on this, I would like the US to act on climate change, I wish you hadn't taken us Brits into Iraq, I wish that you didn't have Guantanamo Bay, and I wish you could criticise Israel occasionally. But that doesn't mean I hate the US or want its downfall. or condone any physical attacks on the US or its citizens.
I suppose what I feel is that that US is a wonderful and powerful country. I like you as people and as a country, but I'd like you even more if you didn't go about reminding people all the time just how wonderful and powerful you are.

even worse loss of freedom than under Hitler? even...

2008-11-20T10:47:00.000-05:00

even worse loss of freedom than under Hitler? even worse than under Stalin? even worse than under Mao? even worse loss of prosperity than the Weimar Republic? the US is going to be worse than Gaza? Somalia? Zimbabwe?
Wow.
More details please. What is going to bring this catastrophe about?

Perfect! You brought up exactly what I alluded to in this response to samule. Explanation below.

samule,

Don't offer your skewed and twisted opinion based on the bullshit fed to you with a liberal, spiteful spoon.

This country is the beacon of freedom and democracy around the globe, and while she isn't perfect, there's nothing that happened here that was a "humiliation" for "democracy advocates" around the globe.

Since the beginning of the 20th century, pretty much the rest of the world has been humiliating to watch on behalf of the United States. Europe and the rest of the Eastern Hemisphere came completely unglued - TWICE! - before the first half of the century with millions of people murdered, tortured, and excoriated.

And the second half of the century was only slightly better but with millions upon millions still under the oppression of the old Soviet Union and other authoritarian and totalitarian factions.

All the while, both then and now, the United States was and still is the gold standard for liberty and democracy. Don't you ever get on your high horse about how the United States has ever been a humiliation for democracy until we come even remotely close to causing even 1/10th of the pain, misery, and sadness that the rest of the world has caused through its misguided and sickening affront to basic human rights and freedoms.

The hatred of this country by outside factions is what will bring us down. And now we have an administration that will cave to that hatred...and even the hatred within this country.

That's what this is all about - hate. Isn't it?

People are quick to bludgeon the US with rhetoric and assign blame for everything wrong in the world. They blame the US for all of the wars and disease...and all of the poverty and misery.

I agree that there are a multitude of things that need help...and we don't need war, we need to eradicate poverty/hunger/disease, etc.

However, this "blame" or what have you that comes from outside (and some within)...I just don't get it. Are people not blind to the oppressive and totalitarian forces that lurk and lie in wait for the failure of the United States? Are they that naive or blind?

Where was the US in 1914-1917 when the world fell apart?

Where was the US in the late 1930s through December 7, 1941?

Where were they when the world fell apart and millions were slaughtered? Were they "humiliating democracy" then? Or were they minding their own business yet holding on as just about the last bastion of democracy on the planet?

Where did the US stand when it came to oppressive authoritarian governments in the second half of the 20th century? Were we to blame for all of the hate and abuse from Soviet Russia?

Where, I ask you? Where?

I know we can't live in the past...and our current misgivings have damaged our credibility...but when I see someone say that we are a "humiliation to democracy" I can't even laugh at that like I'm able to chuckle at some moonbat on here who says something off-the-wall like Al Franken will be a great Senator. No, this is far more sinister and serious. This is chilling, and there is no laughing here. Only sadness.

Billions worldwide (and again, many in the US) are anxiously awaiting the day this country is toppled and marginalized. And when that day comes, anarchy and terror will rule the day.

mule rider=donkey fucker=moronPRINCETON, NJ -- The...

2008-11-20T10:46:00.000-05:00

mule rider=donkey fucker=moron

PRINCETON, NJ -- The Republican Party's image has gone from bad to worse over the past month, as only 34% of Americans in a Nov. 13-16 Gallup Poll say they have a favorable view of the party, down from 40% in mid-October. The 61% now holding an unfavorable view of the GOP is the highest Gallup has recorded for that party since the measure was established in 1992.

Meanwhile, Americans view Democrats about as positively now as they did on Election Day, with Democrats getting a 55 percent favorable rating. That would seem to indicate that Democrats have a good amount of political capital to expend when the new Obama Administration and Congress take charge in January.

Back to the Republicans. One of the Gallup's most interesting findings was this: it was 78 percent of Republicans want the party to become more conservative while only 12 percent want it to become less conservative.

What makes this finding so fascinating is that if Republican leaders do what that 78 percent of Republicans want, that could arguably make it more difficult for the Republican Party to regain its majority status in Congress or win the White House with its party identification is so low and the country actually being more centrist than far right or far left.

If Obama and congressional Democrats stay in the political center and the Republican Party is yanked hard to the right by its base, it could be a very long time indeed in the political wilderness for Republicans in the nation's capital.

mule rider - even worse loss of freedom than under...

2008-11-20T10:30:00.000-05:00

mule rider - even worse loss of freedom than under Hitler? even worse than under Stalin? even worse than under Mao? even worse loss of prosperity than the Weimar Republic? the US is going to be worse than Gaza? Somalia? Zimbabwe?
Wow.
More details please. What is going to bring this catastrophe about?

Thanks, Mule Rider,you just made my day!LOL!!! :-)...

2008-11-20T10:13:00.000-05:00

Thanks, Mule Rider,

you just made my day!

LOL!!! :-) :-) :-)

Don't pity me or my mule, Mrs B.Pity the USA, as s...

2008-11-20T10:08:00.000-05:00

Don't pity me or my mule, Mrs B.

Pity the USA, as she is about to endure the greatest backsliding and unwinding of freedom and prosperity in world history.

This will be on the level of the fall of the Roman Empire, but much larger in scope.

The beacon of freedom is dying. It's not even a slow death any more. It's being butchered mercilessly and is gasping its final breaths.

Mark my words, in a decade, this country will have the standard of living of Guatemala.

mule rider, I pity your mule.

2008-11-20T09:59:00.000-05:00

mule rider, I pity your mule.

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