When the Lisbon treaty comes into force on December 1st, the European Union will have achieved two of its key goals of the last decade -- improved coherance and a stronger common foreign policy. Among many other things, the Treaty brings major changes to two top posts in the EU, a permanent President of the European Council (rather than 6 month rotating among the heads of states/governments in the EU countries) and High Representative for foreign policy (merging the foreign policy mandate of the European Commission and the common foreign and security policy of the EU (the countries).
In each post is a chance for strong leadership to redefine the role of the European Union vis-a-vis the members states -- particularly large EU countries like France, UK, Germany, Spain and Italy -- and carve out a bigger common space in the realm of foreign and security policy.
This was reflected in the weeks leading up to the decision by the fact that some big hitters in European (and global) politics were lining up as candidate for the post. Most prominent was the candidacy of former UK PM Tony Blair, who with the support of the British government, sought the President post. Other major politicians rumored for the job included Dutch PM Jan Pieter Balkenende and Luxembourg PM Jean-Claude Juncker, along with Finnish PM Tarja Halonen.
On the foreign affairs post, prominent foreign ministers and prime ministers were on the nominations block as well, with Spanish FM Miguel Moratinos, British FM David Miliband, former Italian PM and FM Massimo D'Alema, former Austrian FM and ambassador Ursula Plassnik all mentioned as strong candidates.
As a result, it was to the distress of many pro-EU observers that the choices selected by the European nations last week -- Belgium PM Herman Van Rompuy for EU Council President and EU Trade Commissioner Baroness Catherine Ashton (UK) -- were both 'dark horse' consensus candidates with quite low global profiles, and in the latter case, almost no foreign or security policy experience (trade negotiations certainly count for something, but a far cry from FM, PM or ambassador experience).
The basic story is that on both fronts, the heads of France and Germany, Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel, cut a deal to put forth a united front, and push a common candidate for each post. Chosen to "avoid overshadowing" the traditional leadership on EU and foreign policy issues from Paris and Berlin, Merkel and Sarkozy pushed a candidate would not challenge them. And once he knew that Tony Blair would not fly in the President post, the UK's Gordon Brown agreed -- taking political victory back home that the UK's own Lady Ashton now sat in the foreign policy post. Of course, she would never shine brighter than Miliband, the Labour government reasoned.
Now, contrast this with the tactic used by US President Barack Obama as he pulled together his foreign, security and domestic policy team. Rather than installing low-profile, consensus choices that he could more easily dominate, he generally built a strong-willed and experienced team, who would challenge his thinking and already command a high degree of gravitas inside and outside.
Regardless of their political or ideological stripes, observers found it hard to challenge the appointment of Hillary Clinton to the State Department and re-appointment of Robert Gates to the Pentagon. Similarly, the appointments of high-profile diplomats Richard Holbrooke, George Mitchell, Scott Gration as special envoys, and the political strength of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano and Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel seem to draw from the same logic.
The Obama approach also has a clear political component -- bringing potential rivals into the fold builds the brain power and credibility of the administration and also removes potential critics from the center and left.
When making the comparison between the Obama Administration and the European Council, of course, there are several important distinctions. Decisions by committee, particularly the type described here, tend to prefer easier, consensus nominees. Obama himself drove the train on his nominees and as a result could take more risks. In addition, the EU is essentially an 'incrementalist' organization, with a slowly growing (if not creeping) mandate, whereas a change in US administration is a deliberate chance to make large scale and dramatic adjustments in personnel and vision.
That all said, it is hard to see how Van Rompuy and Ashton will bring the kind of charisma and new vision that the Lisbon Treaty was intended to provide to the Union. Of course, it is easy to argue that the goal of the posts is to do neither thing, instead simply to raise the level of coherance by merging key functions of the EU. But if the EU is to play a larger role in the diplomatic and security realms, for example beyond the current development assistance and humanitarian aid focus of the former and illegal immigration focus of the latter, the strategy must change.
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Renard Sexton is FiveThirtyEight's international columnist and is based in Geneva, Switzerland. He can be contacted at sexton538@gmail.com
11.23.2009
Bringing in a Strong Team: Obama vs the EU
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Being Dutch, I appreciate it that Jan Peter (note spelling) Balkenende is called a major politician, but I'm afraid there are not many people in Europe that would agree with you :-) Same holds for Juncker. They were candidates _because_ they were low profile (Blair was a candidate due to a lack of sense of reality).
Change comes slowly when you're dealing with 27 nations. For now, I'm just happy the Lisbon treaty is taking effect and we have a President and High Representative appointed. This term the national leaders will be able to get used to the idea, and maybe in the (far) future, the seat gets occupied by someone a ttle more convincing.
I think what Richard is pointing out (in part) is that confident leaders surround themselves with strong teams that will challenge them and force the best from them... while weak and frightened leaders choose ineffectual teams that make them feel dominant and in control.
For instance, Barack Obama would be unlikely to award key cabinet posts to old drinking buddies from Texas, and nominate his cleaning lady to the Supreme Court.
Obama's decision is similar to Lincoln's appointment of his rivals to key posts, particularly making Seward his Secretary of State.
We should also note that (electoral college aside), Obama was elected by the US voters.
As a Dane, I don't recall ever seeing Merkel or Sarkozy on a ballot paper.
More technically, it is fairly easy to describe the principal/agent-relationships in the US. In the EU we have (at least) 27 principals trying to control an agent.
9/11 Lawyer: Hey, thanks President Obama for helping gift my client with a platform to create a huge propaganda show!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091122/ap_on_re_us/us_sept11_trial_defendants
Can you imagine what 2010 is going to look like? An election year, already looking bad for Democrats, having to content with a multi-month long epic Anti-American chaos-fest, all of it sanctioned and sponsored by the Obama administration?
BTW, yoink and filistro don't think this Holdenr decision is going to hurt Obama one bit. They are on record saying so.
@Walker
a) Totally unrelated to the topic of the post.
b) I'll go on record as thinking if you are against trial by jury, even for these suspects, you are completely un-American. I know you're going to go on a rant about how wrong/stupid/whatever I am for saying so, but it's true.
If you can't stick to one of our most valued principles when it's most difficult to do so, then you are an embarassment to the rest of us.
Congressman Dennis Moore of Kansas' 3rd district announced he is retiring.
That's the first Democrat House member to announce retirement this cycle. If the GOP can get one or two Democrats to retire per month before the next election then they will be even money to win the House.
Robert,
Should Bin Laden be tried in the USA by jury if he is captured?
Maybe you and some of you liberal brethren here may think so - but the vast masses across the country would disagree.
Though I would certainly love to see every Democrat up for re-election next year stake out that position. In addition to Cap and Trade. In addition to the "We'll pass this health care bill whether you like it or not (and for now the answer is "not") - and by the way we know better than you so F*ck you" mentality.
Should Bin Laden be tried in the USA by jury if he is captured?
Why shouldn't he? If he's guilty then there should be no problem trying him.
Maybe you and some of you liberal brethren here may think so - but the vast masses across the country would disagree.
I don't give two shits what the "vast masses" (whatever the hell that means) think. Until they convince their congresspeople to repeal the 6th amendment, they can disagree all they like, and it still won't matter. If they want to get rid of the 6th amendment, I'll call them embarrasments to the country as well.
If these people are so guilty (and all the evidence seems to indicate they are, especially if they want to get up on the stand and explain why they did it), then there should be no issue convicting them.
Why the hell do we need to throw out due process? Are you really that afraid of a little commentary from people you don't like? They're just words. Grow a pair already.
Did Brown ever really think Tony Blair had a chance? What is the view on Tony Blair in the rest of Europe post-Iraq Invasion?
@Walker
From the article: "'Their assessment is negative,' he said."
LOL, bit of an understatement no doubt. But that they aren't going to deny their actions should shorten the trial up considerably. The best chance for drawing it out would be to try go on a fishin' trip to dredge up massive details on specifics of US foriegn policy. If the judge is doing their job they won't let the trial be derailed by such tactics.
Plus rhetoric against past US foreign policy is going to do what to Obama, exactly?
Walker said...
BTW, yoink and filistro don't think this Holdenr decision is going to hurt Obama one bit. They are on record saying so.
Sigh... once more, slowly, for the remedial group at the back of the room... Walker, I have never posted anything about the KSM trial, here or anywhere else. You are thinking of somebody else.
Back to the topic of the thread... it's true that for high profile leaders who must face the electorate, choosing a weak team is sign of insecurity. But it's entirely different for the behind-the-scenes power brokeers who REALLY run things. Those guys love weakness and ineptitude because it's so easily manipulated.
I think Americans should stop and think hard about the fact that Sarah Palin was discovered brought onto the national stage by none other than William Kristol. The agenda of the neocon cabal is revealed in all its naked cynicism... let's find another dumb-as-arock, tabula-rasa politician who has enough appeal to the masses to be shoehorned into a position of great power, and then can be told what to do and when to do it.
I guess the past decade wasn't quite enough time for Kristol and his merry men to gain control of the planet. They want one more shot at it.
Robert said...
Why the hell do we need to throw out due process? Are you really that afraid of a little commentary from people you don't like? They're just words. Grow a pair already.
Because even listening to someone brings doubt, even if it is for a moment. Someone that is has poor skills in reasoning out and discerning the truth behind two, or more, opposing positions is inherently threatened by doubt. Plus any doubts, leading to reexamination of the beliefs they've built up in their head, threatens the illogical detritus beliefs.
A good fiend of mine has a few fundementalist christian siblings that refuse to get a professional massage because massage is "Oriental" in nature, and thus getting one and benefiting from it would endanger their soul. They are dead serious about this sort of xenophobia. :/
Should Bin Laden be tried in the USA by jury if he is captured?
If they can gather enough evidence to prosecute him, certainly.
If they had such evidence, prob'ly he'd be in the FBI's 10 Mist Wanted list, nest paw?
He's not.
Which is pretty strange status for the 'evilest man in the world.," innit?
Woody, did you check The List before you posted? :)
Because even listening to someone brings doubt, even if it is for a moment. Someone that is has poor skills in reasoning out and discerning the truth behind two, or more, opposing positions is inherently threatened by doubt. Plus any doubts, leading to reexamination of the beliefs they've built up in their head, threatens the illogical detritus beliefs.
While this may be true for Happy's "vast masses", I'd suggest that any conservative with the ability to stomach reading and responding to commentary on a site as supposedly liberal as this one must have the capability to discern what they do and don't believe even in the face of doubt. Happy and Walker, at least, if not the rest who agree with them, should be able to recognize that hearing an opposing point of view doesn't force you to change yours.
If reading all our thoughts hasn't forced them to become liberals, then Walker and Happy should be able to recognize that hearing the defendents' thoughts isn't likely to force them to become terrorists either. Thus there is no danger in letting them talk.
But I don't expect them to concede this, even though disagreeing supposedly proves that they should have to agree with us to begin with.
This is like the fifth or sixth time that Walker has posted the exact same thing: that a trial would be bad because the terrorists would have a platform to spew on, and somehow that can actually hurt someone. Now Walker is just spamming. Walker just keeps showing himself to be a complete coward for being scared of this alleged platform, and a hypocrite who enthusiastically embraces the hate spewing platforms of Beck and Limbaugh and the teabaggers.
And what's your problem with trying OBL, HappyGOPer? Are you a coward, too?
crysibi - cry-siblings, surely how the brothers and sisters of Walker and HappyGOPer refer to them.
They've protected themselves by:
1) lack of reading comprehension (intentional or otherwise)
2) automatic rejection if they accidentally understand what they "read"
3) immediate retreat into denial, perhaps with some illogical deflection of blame onto their scapegoat of choice
That's the backup plan in case of accidental exposure. :) So they are fairly well protected from occation exposure. But it feels bad, and is still risky.
Then there are those like Bart DePalma who actually know they are dead wrong but it doesn't matter to them. They are here in the role of lying bag of shit to tell the Big Lie over and over in the hopes that they'll find someone gulible enough to confuse.
... anyway, back on topic....
I really want to hear from one or more actual EU people, what is Tony Blair's standing in the wider EU these days? What do people think of him? Do the general populance, outside Britian of course, even really know who he is?
Inkan1969 said...
This is like the fifth or sixth time that Walker has posted the exact same thing:
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Since Pete Kent doesn't post much anymore, Walker has picked up the slack and is now the spam king ...
Blogger filistro said...
"Walker, I have never posted anything about the KSM trial, here or anywhere else. You are thinking of somebody else."
Ah, I think I may be the one who said that about KSM on a previous thread. And just to be "on the record" I'll say it again:
Seeing KSM and others convicted and sentenced publicly in a legitimate-looking American court will NOT cause a public shift against Obama, ESPECIALLY if they spew anti-American rhetoric and are then decimated by Obama's appointed prosecutors.
Walker ftr, has never been able to state why he believes that KSM being convicted in a legitimate-looking trial by Obama's team would hurt Obama. Only that it obviously will because of his personal hatred for the President.
Jacob, if Walker has been confusing me for you, I am truly flattered :-)
One of the major disconnects of our political time is the Republican reaction to terrorism. They've spent the past decade cowering under their beds in abject fear. It reminds me of the way the English used to call Bonaparte "Boney" and evoke his image to frighten children into behaving... "Eat your turnips or Boney will come through your window at night and grab you!"
Now they've ascended to a new nadir of cowardice... they're scared the terrorists on trial will say mean things.
Oooh, shiver.
But in a broader political view, it's having an odd effect across the nation. All this hysterical fearmongering, especially in the face of Obama's calm, steely pragmatism, is gradually beginning to make Republicans look like the weak-on-terror party. If Obama ignores their howls of outrage, goes ahead and tries these low-life criminals and gets a just disposition of their cases, the reverasl will be complete.
How could we have foreseen the Democrats ever gaining the ascendancy on national defense issues? These are amazing times.
Funny how there are over 100 terrorists in US prisons already that stood trial. One of them, even gave enough intelligence that Bush was able to ignore the report heavily based on information given by one of these terrorists.
After 9/11, the right wing proved they are cowards. Willing to accept anything and everything just so they can feel safe.
Stupid, scared and cowardly is no way to go through life. Yet, it is the lot of today's conservative.
@Dwight
I'm Dutch and as far as I know Tony Blair still has a pretty good standing here. Sure he lost some goodwill on the whole Iraq thing, siding with Bush, but other than that I think most people like him. As a presidential candidate however, he never really stood a chance. apart from being too strong a character to be liked by 27 national heads of state, he is from a country that is not very European. Britain isn't using the Euro, nor does it participate in the Schengen treaty (free movement of people and goods within EU borders), two of the most important things the EU currently has going for it.
Re TB's standing in the EU, he is still a massive name but he keeps out of the limelight these days, as is usual with ex British PMs. All of Europe know who he is, and despite any personal ambivalence there are few (if any) European ex leaders with that kind of name recognition. However, a quick persual of the UK press over the last few weeks should show what we Brits think of him these days, and most Europeans will dislike him for his pro-Iraq war actions, if not just for the fact he is British. I think Blair pushed himself for that role, Brown would not have supported him but wouldnt mind a Brit there/ TB is still young and no doubt feels he has much to offer, problem is the UK has had enough of his weaselly ways, so there isnt really anything for him to do. While American ex Presidents can carve out new chapters in their careers pretty easily, ex British PMs tend to just quietly take the money and write their memoirs. Which is all TB will be left with I assume, unless he bags himelf another diplamtic job a la his curious Middle East position.
Neil... is Blair's quite fundamentalist Christianity not also a stumbling block, both within his own country and in the EU?
It's always seemed rather jarringly out-of-step to me...not because of his specific religious views per se, but because western nations (other than the US) tend not to like overt religious expressions from their leaders.
To call attention to the obvious: Why would one really expect ambitious and powerful leaders such as Sarkozy and Merkel to promote someone dynamic and charismatic ABOVE them?
They're not really looking for someone to tell them what to do.
filistro - you touched on an interesting point - TB hid the extent of his religosity from the voters for a long time, he knew the Bush style of being 'guided by God' would kill him in the eyes of the UK voters. Hence his conversion to Catholicism as he left ofice - the voters honestly has no idea of his fervour when voting for him, most of our politicians are more hobby churchgoers than pious believers. This has been touched on in the media but not made into a big issue - should he angle to come back into UK public life it may be revisited...
Don't know about the EU - many of the Central and East Europeans (like Poles) are staunch Catholics and might quite like that - Western Europe not so much. Perhaps it would have been a factor except for the larger issue that nobody except TB really wanted TB as Euro President, agree with your broader point.
@tb
well everyone knows him
for the left he is a sellout
for the right he is a lefti
for the pro-europeans he is a brit (no euro, not part of schengen and of course the 5th column of the usa in short the enemy)
for the anti-centralists (his brits) he is a pro-european - the enemy
and iraq has destroyed his reputation
his religion is no issue (for most of europe)
so it was clear from the start that tb is a nostarter for the job
(but the brits got one of the 4 topjobs out of it)
"That's the first Democrat House member to announce retirement this cycle. If the GOP can get one or two Democrats to retire per month before the next election then they will be even money to win the House."
You think the GOP got that guy to retire? While we're at, 1 or 2 per month? I want some of whatever you're smoking.
comparison usa - eu
obamas team is exactly that: HIS team
he is the boss and the head of state
thats not the case with the president of the eu
he is the one that (should) brings the other 27 head of states to a common statement/policy
and a ruling head of government is no nobody
considering the problems he had to face at home (a country breaking apart) he might be the right person for the job
by the way
the new foreign minister (in fact if not in name - thanks to the brits) still has to be accepted by the eu-parliament
Robert,
Testy are we? As far as I am concerned the 6th amendment doesn't apply to enemy combatants. I don't give two shits what a minority of egghead liberals have to say on the subject.
Go ahead and remain contemptuous of the opinions of Middle America on this and everything else. Your Democrat elected officials are already doing the same. Your arrogance will be your undoing. And it's happening more quickly than I thought it would.
It's amazing the tonal change on this site over the past six months. You go from arrogantly proclaiming the supremacy of your point of view and even suggesting conservatism was some sort of mental disease - to now whining that you are losing the Middle at an alarming pace.
You liberals masqueraded as moderates that would fix the economy to get into power and now that you are biting of more than you could chew and the public isn't onboard with your harebrained schemes you're pouting like children.
...and that's from a HAPPY GOP'er!
LOL...
And what's your problem with trying OBL, HappyGOPer? Are you a coward, too?
Either that or I trust that military will take out the trash much more readily - without a sideshow from some Democrat lawyer with the sensibilities of Jane Fonda during Vietnam.
You guys really are Unamerican and have no sense of patriotism. Couple that with the fact that the modern Democrat party, little more than a collection of a) minorities, b) homos and c) white eggheads - isn't going to get the first two groups to the polls next year and y'all are in big trouble.
filistro,
I am actually a *Thrilled* GOPer. 2005-2008 was rough. The tide is turning and the Indies are leading the way.
Well, I dunno, Happy. You actually sound pretty Grumpy to me. Though (having read quite a few of your posts) I would never call you either Bashful or Dopey.
Hey... maybe you're a Doc!
As a Doc I'll start out by saying that this health care bill is a bad prescription ;-)
Testy are we? As far as I am concerned the 6th amendment doesn't apply to enemy combatants. I don't give two shits what a minority of egghead liberals have to say on the subject.
As far as I am concerned then, you are an embarassment to our country. You clearly couldn't begin to understand the concept of justice if you think that's a good way to run things.
I'll give you a hint though. When we try our enemies instead of passing sentence without trial, that's what makes our system a justice system. If our system decided any class of individuals doesn't deserve trial, what we would have is an unjustice system.
I'm pretty sure you've confused the term justice for the term revenge.
Go ahead and remain contemptuous of the opinions of Middle America on this and everything else.
I always have, and I always will. Popular opinion is, almost without fail, the lowest common denominator. If you're satisfied with taking your cues from the masses then you, sir, must have a lowest common denominator intelligence.
You go from arrogantly proclaiming the supremacy of your point of view and even suggesting conservatism was some sort of mental disease
I never proclaimed this, but it sure does have the ring of truth to it. Anyone who can stick to a conservative opinion for any length of time is lacking either compassion or knowledge. You can say whatever you like about it, but you're not gonna make me feel bad about caring more about peoples' well being than their feelings.
But no, I'm not testy. I'm just calling you out as the embarassment to our country that you, and everyone who shares your unjust opinion, most definitely are.
I know this wasn't a response to me, but:
Either that or I trust that military will take out the trash much more readily
Your question was what should happen if OBL was captured. Are you saying that his guards should just assassinate their unarmed prisoner in cold blood? Seriously? That's your view of the American way?
Thanks a lot for the comments Sander, Neil, and andreas! About the only media I get out of the EU is The Economist. It's hard to get a good handle on details like this from just one source (as generally reputable as it may be).
Blogger Jacob said...
Ah Happy, so you're stepping in for Walker now?
So due process is un-American? I doubt any Democrat lawyer is stepping up to defend UBL or KSM, nor even a Democratic lawyer. Maybe a government lawyer like Ramsey Clark will take the stage with his Fonda-esque sensibilities. Remember him? That low-life traitor!
The modern Democrat party can be anything your little mind imagines, my friend, and if your greatest fears are The Black, The Gay, and The Smart, then that's probably what it is.
But the DemocratIC Party is a broad coalition of working families, oppressed minorities struggling to succeed, professionals, students, young people, seniors who know what Medicare is, the uninsured, the underinsured, suburban women (and men), academics, teachers, public workers, people with dreams, etc, etc, etc. And of course all a' them n*****s, queers, and edicated folks what y'all fear so much.
But if you're so afraid of due process, please leave this law-lovin' nation and go to Saudi Arabia. I guarantee you won't find a fair trial there.
I'd say a coward foolish enough to believe caricatures like some Jane Fonda lawyer and venal enough to use the term "homos" and to make minorities sound like a negative is as Unamerican as one can get.
I love these moments because they show GOPers as what they really are, and that isn't as "sensible, common-man" people. At least the Democrats (the voters, anyway) are intellectually honest enough to be pissed when Obama starts parroting Shrub.
Just to point out an inaccuracy in the article. The President of the European Council will NOT replace the existing 6-month rotating President of the Council of the European Union. (Neither posts of which are related to the Council of Europe - Yes, I know it's confusing!)
As a UK (and therefore EU) citizen, I truly despair at the level of bureaucracy the EU creates. I mean, if Obama wants to negotiate with the EU, to paraphrase Henry Kissinger, who does he call? There are at least 4 people in line - Cathy Ashton, Herman van Rompuy, Jose Manuel Barroso, Fredrik Reinfeldt - which one does he go for if, for example, Israel attacks Iran and Obama is trying to hammer out a ceasefire and needs more support??
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