The rhetorical link between sports and politics in the U.S. has been widely documented, with sports providing a treasure trove of analogies, quotes and other trinkets for politicians. At the same time, pundits have long enjoyed the usage of sport as a foil for political commentary. In many ways, it makes intuitive sense, with both fields defined by highly adversarial relationships, impassioned periods of training and execution, large quantities of public exposure and critique, and intense love-hate relations with the media.
Therefore, that we could draw political parallels from last evening's blatant cheating by iconic French national soccer squad striker Thierry Henry with the role of the media in American politics is not surprising. "La main de Diable," as put by writers at the French newspaper Le Figaro, led France to a squeaking overtime victory in over underdog Ireland by way of a flagrant hand-ball that was simply missed or ignored by no less than four officials, including the referee. And, as compared to its namesake from the 1986 World Cup, Henry's foul was substantially more obvious to the observer than Maradona's, though the original arguably had more pressing implications (both resulted in the elimination of the loser, though the former was in a World Cup quarter-final).
While Henry has received major criticism for his actions -- which he maintains were accidental and were admitted to the opposing squad as well as the officials -- the most withering accusations have been launched at the referee, Martin Hansson of Sweden, and his assistants. Because the officials failed to call the foul, France advances to next year's World Cup Final in South Africa, with the Irish now relegated to waiting for the 2014 Cup. At the same time, FIFA, who "watch the watchmen" so to speak; have been lambasted for not incorporating instant replay into international ball, and for alleged systemic bias toward traditional western European soccer powers like France, Germany, Italy, etc.
In American politics, it is the mainstream media that are often credited with the 'refereeing' and 'vetting' role during political competition. Indeed, it is a role that the big producers have strongly embraced, with various brands of neutrality being marketed. Ranging from Fox's "No-spin zone," to "fact-checks" by ABC and others, and perhaps the most symbolic role of media achors as the moderators for electoral debates, the media can "call foul" on false claims, scrutinize policy decisions and give positive coverage to good ideas.
But like the Henry case of last night, what happens when the refs fail to call a foul when it is matters most? (Or alternatively call one where it isn't).
The most common answer is that political journalism and analysis are self-critical and self-governing fields, with rigorous peer review. A recent case in point is the harsh critique that has been leveled by many in the field regarding the U.S. MSM's conduct in the run-up to the 2003 Iraq invasion. At the same time, a healthy oversight community of NGOs, think tanks, academic institutions and so forth spend many hours dissecting the way the media operate. But is this really enough?
In cases of flagrant, high-profile and costly mistakes, it seems that the system works reasonably well. In 2004, the sacking of Dan Rather by CBS over his highly flawed reporting on President Bush's National Guard career illustrated a commitment by the network to dispose of discredited reporting. In a similar fashion, many are calling for the head of referee Hansson, suggesting a suspension or ban.
But the fundamental problem remains in both circumstances is that high-profile scapegoating in cases of obvious poor practice does not address the underlying issues that challenge those in the umpire's seat. In the case of international soccer, the impression of big-country euro-centrism remains, and the lack of instant replay nor box review both undermine the credibility and accuracy of officials and administrators. In US politics, the fact that incentive structures for media folks are focused toward advertising revenue and subscriber bases, with few coercive structures beyond self-policing and public scrutiny, has turned political refereeing from analytic scrutiny to basic entertainment.
While the metaphor breaks down when moving much farther, the consequences are clear. Last night's failure of judgment was a well-documented warning to those for whom good, reasoned judgment is important.
What is the difference between a minor human mistake and a human-made catastrophe? A catastrophe is a mistake made where there was no room for error.
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Renard Sexton is FiveThirtyEight's international columnist and is based in Geneva, Switzerland. He can be contacted at sexton538@gmail.com.
11.19.2009
American Politics and International Soccer: Who's the Ref?
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That it!
Back to Freedom Fries it is!!!
Hey Sexton, it seems you forgot a few sarcastic quotation marks. Here, I'll help.
The most common answer is that political journalism and analysis are "self-critical" and "self-governing" fields, with "rigorous" peer review. A recent case in point is the "harsh" critique that has been leveled by "many in the field" regarding the U.S. MSM's conduct in the run-up to the 2003 Iraq invasion. At the same time, a "healthy" oversight community of NGOs, think tanks, academic institutions and so forth spend many hours dissecting the way the media operate.
The metaphor breaks down at inception. Bias or carelessness in sports officiating is an event. In media coverage it is a process which makes it much more insidious and difficult to deal with. But the very scope and reach of the media also makes it pretty much a non-issue.
We can all recall spectacular errors in officiating that have resulted in skewed results... an erroneous foot-fault call at the US Open, a missed tag at home plate during the World Series, an uncalled late hit on the quarterback during the Super Bowl.
Similar isolated events in the media barely even rate a shrug. For instance, just yesterday Fox was tagged yet again for splicing in footage of 2008 campaign rallies to make it look like Sarah Palin's booksigning was massively attended. Far from generating outrage, this is perceived by the public as SOP.
But there is, and hopefully always will be, enough media to provide balance. If a dozen officials were calling every quadrant of a specified field of play, you might have disagreement but you'd also achieve fairness.
I'd wager that all interested Americans can point to media outlet that are "fair" and those that are "biased"...but their perceptions of the good and the bad would vary widely. That's just as it should be.... and the best we can hope for.
Soccer, who cares.
But there is, and hopefully always will be, enough media to provide balance. If a dozen officials were calling every quadrant of a specified field of play, you might have disagreement but you'd also achieve fairness.
The rub of course is how to effectively diseminate the info gather. To go back to the analogy, the more officals on the field the more noise (and stretching the analogy, the more often the officials get in the way of the play).
The refs' failure, while serious, did not exactly put Ireland out of the World Cup. The two teams were tied 1-1 (over the two legs) at the time the French scored that goal. Had the goal been disallowed we will never know what would have happened. Ireland apparently played a great match (I didn't see it), but France will probably contribute more to the Cup than Ireland will.
"If a dozen officials were calling every quadrant of a specified field of play, you might have disagreement but you'd also achieve fairness."
A hundred biased officials are infinitely less useful than a single fair official.
What matters is that the facts are right. Airing wrong information which 'averages out' somehow to be roughly correct is not even remotely the same thing.
Wow - this post started off with such a promising metaphor, but then you got the final point spectacularly wrong.
To start with, the example of self-governance in the media that you provide is a perfect example of the failure of that governance. The critique that you link to is a book written in 2006! This is supposed to be an example of self-governance for errors made in 2003? Yes, it's better to catch errors late than not at all, but there's little to no evidence that the media have learned the important lessons from their cheerleading of the Iraq War. I'm having a hard time thinking of any major opinionmakers who paid any sort of professional price for their poor judgment. In fact, many of the same people who were publicly wrong before continue to be publicly wrong today. Recent coverage of the hypothetical threat posed by Iran displays many of the same fundamental errors that were on display in 2002.
And you provide Dan Rather's firing as an example of the system working well on "flagrant, high-profile and costly mistakes"? True, it was a major news story shortly before the presidential election that painted some of the president's past in a poor light. And yes, the story was based in large part (though not entirely) on forged documents, but this is supposed to be more high profile and costly than the media's unquestioning support of a war that has cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars, while -- according to the Pentagon's experts -- actually increasing the threat of global terrorism?
In addition to the scapegoating that you mention, the media respond when they are criticized loudly and aggressively enough by people who intimidate them. The right-wing rage at Dan Rather was enough to end his career, but there have not been similar repercussions for journalists who allowed anonymous government sources to spread lies about links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
Palin draws crowds at a book signing. Fox News uses old footage of Crowds at a Palin event. Libs cry foul.
Meanwhile, MSNBC uses photoshopped pictures of Palin, and nothing is said.
@Pat
If you are equating the two you are nuts.
Nadingo-
I listened to the BBC this AM, and all the discussion is about whether the offending player should have "admitted" the play was illegal, thus the self-governing analogy is a very good one.
Mr. Sexton
You cite the case of the buildup to the Iraq war as a media failure, but then state that "In cases of flagrant, high-profile and costly mistakes, it seems that the system works reasonably well"?! Your sixth and seventh paragraphs seem a non sequitur.
Sure Dan Rather was punished for a botched story against a right-wing figure, but how did the media system correct itself against future Iraq situations?
The analogy is not good. Soccer referees are expected by both sides to know the rules and by and large they do, -- and are punished by their superiors if they don't. MSM reporters or pundits often are clueless on what (say) is in a bill on which they report-- and are rarely punished if they don't. Furthermore, If soccer side #1 were committing many more fouls than #2, spectators would not stand for referees who looked to penalize #2 every time they penalize #1. MSM typically treats statements made by both sides as equally valid, even if side#1 has no obvious basis in fact versus documentable validity of statements by side #2. Some of this MSM behavior is due to the misplaced perception that to be "fair" an equal number of penalty calls must be made on each side --- and part if the problem is that the MSM reporter/pundit has little or no idea of what are or not valid statements (i.e., they don't know the rules).
any, first time ever I didn't hear one single shout or one single car horn in Paris for a national soccer team victory... even though there was some noise earlier when Algeria got qualified!
Palin draws crowds at a book signing. Fox News uses old footage of Crowds at a Palin event. Libs cry foul.
Meanwhile, MSNBC uses photoshopped pictures of Palin, and nothing is said
President Obama lies about jobs created by the stimulus and references congressinal districts that don't exist, and nothing is said. Yet the leftwing media is in an uproar over the Fox News footage.
Jon Stewart mentioned the Palin photoshopped pics last night. Does that count? Can someone keep score? Soccer?
@DEM_in_Virginia: Soccer(US)/Football(EU) is the most popular sport in the world, on arguably any level, let it be stadium or TV attendances, number of pro leagues/players, number of regstered hobby teams/players/tournaments...soccer, who cares? Who DOES NOT???
@Renard Sexton:
One important difference between media and pro sports referees (without instant replay) is that in any tournament, there is some responsible association which also appoints the refs. This may give the refs some "a priori" credibility, since the participating teams usually have institutional ties to that asociation, recognizing thus, its legitimacy.
For the role of the media in politics, such a "higher institution" does not exist.
Dem,
Equating the two? If anything, using photoshopped pictures in the national media is a far, far, worse crime in media than using old footage.
If anything, using photoshopped pictures in the national media is a far, far, worse crime in media than using old footage.
Why? They're both misrepresentation in graphical form. What makes a photoshopped still worse than a disingenuously cut video?
"soccer, who cares? Who DOES NOT???"
The vast majority of Americans, so rightly or not, comments as such on a blog about American politics should come as very little surprise.
I was just being facetious gentlemen. Please calm down. Maybe I should have put a smiley. My bad.
One thing that really bugs me, both in sports and media, is the so-called "balancing" call. The ref misses a flagrant foul by one team or makes an unfair call, so next time he lets the opposing team get away with something egregious or slaps them with a balancing penalty.
Similarly, if thirty members of one party have been caught with their paws in the cookie jar, the media (because they're so scared of being accused of bias) always feel compelled to say, "Meanwhile the opposing perty is not blameless," and then go on to cite the lone member on the other side who has also been naughty.
Some stories can (and should) stand alone. Still, I think it all tends to even out over time. And when both sides are pissed off, it usually has.
Robert,
There's much greater potential for abuse with photoshop rather than stock video. Much, Much, greater...
Why? They're both misrepresentation in graphical form. What makes a photoshopped still worse than a disingenuously cut video?
One could certainly come up with cases where either one was worse than the other. However, in this case, I think it's clearly worse to show pictures of a real person photoshopped to make her look incredibly trashy than to show videos of the wrong rally on the Washington Mall. They're qualitatively very different.
Fundamentally, I think this shows why the news media simply cannot be trusted any more. I remember watching the Election Day coverage in 2006, flipping back and forth between Fox and CNN, and being startled at the rampantly partisan coverage being displayed on both sides. It was particularly on display since everyone was making the exact same projections.
To me, even worse than either the rally video or the MSNBC pictures is the Newsweek cover, which is a real picture. The MSNBC stuff at least just appeared in one TV segment - this is a picture that will be seen on newsstands throughout the country by numerous people who will not read the article inside.
Unfortunately, if you were going to stop watching MSNBC or Fox or reading Newsweek because of this, you probably stopped watching a long time ago. So I'm not sure there's any downside here for any of the news media.
There's much greater potential for abuse with photoshop rather than stock video. Much, Much, greater...
Yeah right. That's an assertion without any basis if I ever heard one.
Maybe you can walk me through your logic, if there is any. Just why exactly is it that there's more "potential" with photoshop than video editing?
Please keep in mind, when Colbert and the Daily Show cut their interviews to make the interviewee look ridiculous, they don't rely on photoshop. The barrier to entry for smoothly cutting together video vs a smoothly photoshopping an image is so much lower that whatever potential you assert is going to be outweighed by ease of access. IOW, more people are capable of editing a video to look believable (something hollywood has been doing for around a century) than are capable of a good photoshopping, and therefor the former has significantly more potential abusers.
However, in this case, I think it's clearly worse to show pictures of a real person photoshopped to make her look incredibly trashy than to show videos of the wrong rally on the Washington Mall. They're qualitatively very different.
Maybe, but that's a specific case. It does nothing to show that one is fundamentally or potentially or inherently worse than the other.
President Obama lies about jobs created by the stimulus and references congressinal districts that don't exist, and nothing is said.
:rolleyes: FFS, GROG, if the government was rejecting stimulus applications because someone listed their congressional district wrongly, we'd be hearing nonstop stories about that. If the government was changing the data sent in to them, we'd be hearing nonstop stories about that, particularly depending on how much money they were spending on it.
This money did not go to fictitious districts, it went to real businesses with real addresses with real people who completely fail at knowing what Congressional district they're in. Similarly, the amount of jobs created or saved was affected by people not correctly calculating jobs.
As an example, my father works for the Texas Workforce Commission (they run the Texas unemployment insurance program). They hired a bunch of people under the stimulus program but, because the new hires were seasonal workers and because of the complicated rules of the bill, did not calculate the number of jobs properly. And this is a government agency who does almost nothing but calculate how many people are working in Texas.
Indeed, it's worth noting that the job number vastly undercounts the actual number of jobs saved because many of them are not full-time jobs. A contractor working 20 hours a week under stimulus for six months counts as 0.25 jobs... even though that money might have literally saved his business. Where's your fury about that? It doesn't include jobs that are saved because of 51 billion in corporate tax relief in ARRA. Where's your fury about that?
You're only seeing these errors because of the unprecedented amount of transparency in Obama's government. Bush would have never put something like this out for everyone to see. Errors like these are not just typical in government reporting, they are expected. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sending money to a real business even though they listed their congressional district wrong, and to suggest that someone "lied" because of that is simple vindictiveness. There is no other way to put it.
Robert: Yes, I know, I specifically said that one was not inherently worse than the other. I agree that Pat is clearly wrong in making a generalized statement like that, but since you agree with the fact that it is clearly worse in the case we are talking about, I don't know how much the argument is worth.
Russia got robbed too. What the hell is "away goals rule"?
but since you agree with the fact that it is clearly worse in the case we are talking about, I don't know how much the argument is worth.
Well I wasn't really arguing your point, just stating that it didn't really prove or disprove mine or Pat's. I actually haven't seen either the footage or image in question, I just found the assertion to be too ridiculous to not challenge it. Also, it's a slow day at work.
Robert,
Cut video still shows the people in their own actions, while Photoshopping can add elements that truly never happened.
For example, you could Photoshop, oh, Obama at an ACORN meeting with Ayers, or Palin at a Pro-choice rally, while you could never get actual cut video showing this.
From a Moral point of view, it is reasonable for Fox to hold on to stock video of Palin, and a reasonable accident to accidentally show it. Stock video exists for a reason. By comparison, the Photoshopped images shouldn't exist in a News organization for any reason except a Daily-Show like humor.
The Palin cover on Newsweek was reprehensable as well.
The Palin cover on Newsweek was reprehensable as well.
This I really don't get....other than there appears to have been some IP rights problems.
This claim has the stentch of another bout of Palin's passive-agressive victimhood ploy. :/
P.S. "....and a reasonable accident to accidentally show it." Come on Pat. That's the sort of bullshit, transparent excuse I'd expect from my 4-year-old.
Can you imagine a soccer match where there are as many referees as there are points of view in the political media? Instead of one referee paid to officiate the game, fans could pay for whatever sort of referee they prefer, just as they pay media with either subscriptions or their time in the case of free media. So you can have a referee who calls fouls loosely while another fan looks to a ref who calls them tightly. You can have a ref who is a strict constructionist of the rules or one who allows phantom goals or only allows the most spectacular, artistic goals or awards 2 goals for especially creative shots. Then those who desire could have refs who are crassly partisan and call the game in a completely one-sided way for either team. Everyone can have the ref they want on some high-tech broadcast of the game.
But then who actually wins? If my ref says my team has a record of 30-0, but my archrival's ref has my team at 0-30, is that a problem? That's not a moot question in a USA where most Republicans believe ACORN stole the election for Obama. It's not the media that decides what to do about that, if anything. Their audience may decide to do something. Then some media will run around in front to pretend they discovered the story in giving their audience what it wants.
Who actually wins is in fact a product of cultural evolution, which has countless components. To expect the media to have some truly fair and balanced check on that is like expecting God to determine the outcome of elections, as some still do. The God I believe in tells me that all this would be too much for Him to run perfectly. He mostly lets evolution take care of itself, culturally as well as physically.
I know that leaves people dissatisfied. People feel there should be a final authority, dammit. Well, there isn't. The media have obvious shortcomings. So do voters. So do political candidates.
Have you noticed with NFL or college football that despite instant replay, some calls are being made by the secondary reviewer that still don't match a reasonable definition of "indisputable"? Even instant replay doesn't provide an ultimate authority.
Life is not fair. Decisions aren't always correct. People can explore many ways to proceed with living one's life despite that, but I don't think it's worth looking for some ultimate authority to rid us of everything false or otherwise mistaken. As with many things, we decide what to do about this as individuals.
This I really don't get....other than there appears to have been some IP rights problems.
This claim has the stentch of another bout of Palin's passive-agressive victimhood ploy. :/
I could not disagree more. It IS reprehensible to put a picture like that on the cover. If they wanted to put that picture inside, with an explanation of where it was from, that's one thing. But using it on the cover doesn't seem to have any point other than to smear her.
I'm about as anti-Palin as can be. I think her nomination and the subsequent insistence that she was a viable candidate for Vice-President showed a profound lack of judgment on the Republicans' side, almost but not quite to the extent of Harriet Miers' nomination.
But the Newsweek cover was absolutely uncalled for and I think Palin has every right to be furious about it. Last year she complained up and down about the extreme closeup on its cover because they didn't do a good enough touch-up job - that was ludicrous, yes. I am certainly not trying to suggest that she is not usually playing the passive-aggressive victim, as you said. But in this case it seems justified. IMHO.
Cut video still shows the people in their own actions, while Photoshopping can add elements that truly never happened.
For example, you could Photoshop, oh, Obama at an ACORN meeting with Ayers, or Palin at a Pro-choice rally, while you could never get actual cut video showing this.
Sure you could. Show Ayers talking, then cut to a shot of Obama nodding and clapping in a similar-looking room, and caption it an ACORN meeting. Done.
I think that in general, cut video is actually probably more convincing than a Photoshop job. People have been conditioned by "suspension of disbelief" in movies and TV shows to not really notice cuts, to assume that whatever they're looking at now is the same as what they were looking at before. Hell, Hannity cut from a clear fall day to a cloudy summer day and it took the Daily Show to catch him.
Cut video still shows the people in their own actions, while Photoshopping can add elements that truly never happened.
You clearly do not realize what can be done with well cut video. I'm not going to get into the particulars with you, but frankly, you can definitely cut video to add elements that never really happened.
For example, you could Photoshop, oh, Obama at an ACORN meeting with Ayers, or Palin at a Pro-choice rally, while you could never get actual cut video showing this.
You could definitely cut together video of Palin at a pro-life rally, with video of a pro-choice rally, and make it appear that Palin was at a pro-choice rally. All this goes back to the hollywood thing, establishing a scene, and then people in the scene, etc. Been doing it, seriously, for about a century now. I took a single film history class in college, and I have a PC, and I have access to the internet. If I really wanted to, I'm sure I could make that video inside of a week.
From a Moral point of view, it is reasonable for Fox to hold on to stock video of Palin, and a reasonable accident to accidentally show it. Stock video exists for a reason.
Please. Now you're just being ridiculous. You might as well argue that you could accidentally photoshop Palin into a pro-choice rally for all the sense that makes. Fox doesn't accidentally air videos that weren't pre-cut, and neither does any other news organization. It's all done in pre-production, by the time its on air its just a reel they are rolling. Fox intentionally stuck that in there, just like MSNBC intentionally photoshopped the image.
wv: resto. as in, Pat, give it a resto.
This wasn't a paparazzi photo, or wacky highschool yearbook photos from way back. She signed up for the photos. It's a direct tie-in as to why she's a "problem". She goes off and does this wacky, flag-drapping, over-the-top stuff. Don't like the picture? Think it doesn't strike the "serious" tone, the image you want to portray? Don't pose for it. Seriously. They do talk about where the photos come from in the article? Fine.
Besides it's not like they used the groin-stretch photo in there. ;) Now THAT I'd have an issue with.
P.S. Maybe I just think she's not wearing that revealing of stuff. This isn't Demi Moore's body paint. It's not like that photoshopped (right?) flag bikini w/AR-15 (I think) that made the rounds on Conservative blogs last fall.
Two points,
One: While Splicing film can give the impression that, say, Palin was at a pro-choice rally, a reasonable eye can tell the two apart. They can see the splicing. Digital editing on the other hand, can actually be indistinguishable to the naked eye if done well.
Two: Media networks can make mistakes. Remember the infamous "Iraq is Egypt" map clip shown by Fox News? (Here's a link if you forgot)
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200907270040
I honestly think, they made a mistake. There are enough people trying to "catch" Fox News in any sort of lie that there's no reason they would try to put that in there on purpose.
One: While Splicing film can give the impression that, say, Palin was at a pro-choice rally, a reasonable eye can tell the two apart. They can see the splicing.
It's not just the splicing, it's the voiceover. Besides we expect slices to happen even when it's the same location, so just the fact that it's there isn't significant by itself.
While Splicing film can give the impression that, say, Palin was at a pro-choice rally, a reasonable eye can tell the two apart. They can see the splicing. Digital editing on the other hand, can actually be indistinguishable to the naked eye if done well.
Sorry, but that axe totally swings both ways. Good splicing can be just as difficult to spot as good photoshopping, and vise versa. I imagine it's likely that whoever photoshopped for MSNBC was a professional graphics person, and the same would definitely be true for whoever cut Fox's video together. Both are going to have the skill to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.
Media networks can make mistakes. Remember the infamous "Iraq is Egypt" map clip shown by Fox News?
I never saw that story, and there's no commentary in that link, but it appears that that's a graphic, and not a video. News organizations definitely put up the wrong graphics on occasion, and when it's live (and the graphic overlay seems to indicate it was a live show), they can't fix it before it goes on the air. The Palin thing was a video, and so it was definitely cut in pre-production. It wasn't uncorrectable, but rather, intentional.
And Fox (or any network for that matter) doesn't need to worry about getting caught. Retractions never reach as many people as the original stories. I guarantee you more people watched and assumed it was legitimate footage than actually found out later that it was not.
Furthermore, I'd argue that they've convinced at least a few people that did find out that it was an honest mistake. ;)
Pat said...
I honestly think, they made a mistake. There are enough people trying to "catch" Fox News in any sort of lie that there's no reason they would try to put that in there on purpose.
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Nonsense as Fox's daily goal is misinformation. It's their lifeblood kowtowing 24/7 to the birthers, deathers, 10thers, truthers, teabaggers, secessionists, etc.
Fox caters quite nicely to the extreme conservative fringe ie Beck, Billo, Hannity and fact based reporting has never been their goal as they are obsessed like the conservative fringe in destroying Obama.
Fox knows it's audience and exploits it daily as they advertised/promoted the teabagger's national events and were their #1 cheerleader.
They have their niche as birthers, deathers, 10thers, truthers, teabaggers, secessionists are as sharp as a bowling ball ...
Reports of their bias ie false footage just adds to their legend as it is what their lemmings want to hear and see.
It's to their advantage to misrepresent as it may increase their ratings, their end goal. Hence, ergo, therefore hiring Billo, Hannity and Beck in the first place.
Misinformation is what Rove, Morris, Goldberg, Dennis Miller lol do for a living. OK, Miller tries to be funny ;) which conversely Rove, Morris, Goldberg are w/out trying ...
Fixed is the only winger, conservative cable news network w/no competition so they can be over the top and be the National Enquirer of cable tv w/no consequences as their lowbrow audience will love them regardless.
Robert,
We'll have to agree to disagree on these issues. I think honest mistakes are possible in this instance, you disagree.
FYI, I believe the MSNBC "Photoshops" were common Palin pictures from the internet. Not exactly high quality, but nonetheless.
Juvanya, if you're still lurking-
In the event of a tie in aggregate score after two games, the team that scored the most away goals advances. If both teams scored the same amount of away goals, overtime is necessary.
Then penalty kicks.
Then the FIFA Supreme Court declares a winner depending on partisan affiliation.
gregnkimw said...
@shiloh,
Fox caters quite nicely to the extreme conservative fringe.
If they cater to the extreme conservative fringe, how could they possibly dominate cable news ratings? They triple the ratings of MSNBC and double CNN. Their ratings are up 10% since Obama declared war on them. Keep it up Mr. President.
Shiloh, maybe you should worry more about the BS coming out your beloved Democrats and your President and less about Fox News. The White House blatantly lies about job figures while making up congressional districts that don't exist.
But you guys are worried about Sarah Palin and Fox News. The leftwing meltdown continues.
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Too funny, made a resolution yesterday, no more Palin discussions and some fool replies to me talkin' about her.
Again, (60) million voters voted for McCain/palin er against Obama and fixed averages 1.4 million viewers daily. One would think they could do a tad better than 1.4 all considering ie supposedly, as wingnuts keep telling me the birthers, deathers, 10thers, truthers, teabaggers, secessionists represent a vast movement er angry southern white guys who are rising up to take back their country and must surely be several millions ;) maybe these folk don't get cable.
Or maybe, as I've mentioned a couple times previously, like liberals, they like to be entertained and rather than watching ad nauseam cable news minutia they watch AI, TAR, Survivor, The Real Housewives of Orange County ;) CSI, House, ESPN, etc.
I never miss NCIS even though it's on the same time as Countdown ... priorities :)
So if one is hanging their hat on fixed 1.4 million misinformed daily viewers and ms palin leading Reps out of the wilderness, god love 'ya!
and yes, since the election many wingers are totally pissed an African/American family is living in the White House, hence the modest bounce in fixed daily ratings. Congrats!
Although Nate and Tom do seem obsessed w/palin, this is a political blog and palin is the only thing newsworthy re: the party of No!
ie who wants to talk about Gingrich, mittens, Jindal, Huckabee, Pawlenty, etc.
p.s. sorry gregnkimw you deleted your post too late ...
We'll have to agree to disagree on these issues. I think honest mistakes are possible in this instance, you disagree.
Fair enough. Maybe Fox did just f up, obviously I can't/haven't proven it beyond any shadow of a doubt. But, I hope you can at least concede that maybe there's every bit as much potential for abuse in video splicing as in photoshopping. My dislike of Fox shouldn't have become part of my point, cause it's really tangential at best.
One: While Splicing film can give the impression that, say, Palin was at a pro-choice rally, a reasonable eye can tell the two apart. They can see the splicing.
Pat, for frig's sake, the reason you guys are discussing this at all is because Fox spliced together (intentionally or not) footage from two completely different rallies at two completely different times of year. Trees had their leaves and then lost them, grey clouds appeared in the sky... and almost no one noticed. I can certainly say that I wouldn't have noticed it if I were watching Hannity.
So no, I don't think that "reasonable people" would notice the difference between a pro-choice and pro-life rally when they don't notice the friggin' leaves appearing on the trees.
The other obvious parallel is that in both cases, there was really only a brief window to get it right, and the authority figures blew it.
Just as I'm sure fans were yelling that Thierry had committed a foul, much of the population was yelling that Bush was starting an unnecessary war. In both cases, these cries were ignored until too late.
Yes, FIFA has now realized the error, the refs have been villified, and there will be investigations. And you're right that there was eventually a realization of the media's failure during the Iraq invasion.
But France isn't in the finals, and we're in Iraq. We need to strive hard to get it right the first time, because there are no video replays in life.
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