10.20.2009

Turnout is the Maine Issue

Here are the results of the four recent -- and somewhat contradictory -- polls on Maine's Question 1, which seeks to overturn the state legislature's decision to provide for same-sex marriage in the state.



Pick your poison. The Democracy Corps poll is of registered voters (bad); the other three are of likely voters (good, usually). The PPP poll has the largest sample (good), and the Pan Atlantic Poll has the smallest sample (bad). The PPP poll is the most recent (good) -- although the poll showing the worst result for gay marriage, from Research 2000, is the least recent. Pan Atlantic is a Maine-based pollster (good); the other three are national pollsters (bad). The PPP poll is an automated poll -- which Tom Jensen thinks might be preferable in this instance -- whereas the other three use traditional telephone methods.

I tried to come up with a crude weighting scheme based on these various factors and scored the PPP poll at 10 points, the Pan Atlantic poll at 6 points, and the other two polls at 3 points each. That would produce a weighted average of 46 percent (actually, 45.7 percent) voting 'yes' (meaning rejecting the same-sex marriage law), and 49 percent voting no, although this is not much different from the unweighted average of 45/49.

In addition to the polls, we also have a statistical analysis I conducted a couple of weeks ago that predicts the ban would fail 43.5-56.5, although with a fairly large margin of error; a more conservative version that accounts for the fact that this is an off-year election would change the numbers to 47.5-52.5.

What I think is reasonably clear is that if you had a 2008-type turnout, the marriage ban would fail. California approved the similar Proposition 8 by a 52-48 margin last year, but Maine is quite a bit less religious than California -- it's one of just four states in which a majority of citizens do not consider religion an important part of their daily lives -- and religiosity is the big driver of support on this issue. But, there's not going to be a 2008-type turnout. Compare PPP's aged-based demographics, for instance, to 2008's, as well as the 2006 and 2004 elections.



PPP has just 31 percent of the 2009 electorate being under age 45, versus 43 percent in 2008, 36 percent in 2006, and 45 percent in 2004. They also show a more conservative electorate, with 22 percent identifying as liberal versus 33 percent conservative, whereas those numbers have been about even in the exit polls for Maine's last three general elections. (Note: PPP uses very slightly different age brackets than the exit polls, and so I'm extrapolating accordingly).

If that's what the turnout looks like, I have little doubt that Question 1 is a toss-up, as PPP suggests. But I think that's probably somewhat toward the pessimistic side. In contrast to California, where the Yes on 8 folks seemed to be better organized, the anti-gay Stand for Marriage Maine campaign seems fairly shoddy, trailing 2-1 in funding, relying on manipulative advertising that the majority of the state doesn't buy, and with an amateurish web interface which, for instance, when I checked it yesterday, didn't list any "House Parties for Marriage" within 50 miles of any of the ten largest cities in Maine.

A couple of weeks ago, I gave the marriage ban 3:1 odds against passing. I might lower that slightly to about 5:2 given the PPP poll, but the fundamentals remain fairly good for proponents of marriage equity. If the marriage ban passes, the pro-gay marriage side is really going to need to rethink its messaging strategy (my suggestion on how to do so here.)

24 comments

Danny said...

the PPP crosstabs had a weird and unexpected (to me) inversion in the middle of the age groups that broke the conventional wisdom that opposition to gay marriage grows more or less monotonically with age. I.e., No minus Yes was 2, -9, 10, -15 for, respectively, 18-29, 30-45, 46-65, and 65+.

I know it's just CW, which often isn't so wise, but in a large poll with +/- 3%, it seems really odd that the 46-65 age range would be net pro-gay-marriage by ~20 points more than their immediate neighbors...any thoughts?

harold said...

Both MA and Nova Scotia have gay marriage.

At risk of infuriating Maine residents, Maine has an awful lot in common with both of those places.

Not that this point serves as a substitute for solid statistical analysis...

psy said...

Why is their web interface "amateurish"? It actually seems relatively snazzy to me. That just seems like unnecessary and untrue ad hominem attack; especially because the rest of this post is filled with factual and reasonably strong arguments.

shma said...

It seems the Snowe puns were just an appetizer to the Maine course.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

It's a shame they can't bring these referendums to the Supreme Court because of their conservative (aka activism) leaning. It would seem that discrimination via laws would be antithetical to our countries system.

Bart DePalma said...

Nate:

Is there any issue polling that might give us an idea as to the intensity on either side?

mcc said...

Just a reminder, if you're in Maine and you want to help stop Prop. 1, *vote early*. Early voting stations will open on Oct. 26, or you can request an absentee ballot here.

Samuel said...

@Danny - well, it is possible that the Maine "likely voters" in that age range are, to be blunt, hippies? There's something of a stereotype to that effect and it is *credible* (if still I think somewhat unlikely) that it's true-enough to cause such an inversion. Likely it's just random fluctuation, though.

Gaardian said...

I hate to say it Nate, but PPP's tabs, while conservative seem pretty close to what a breakdown in a offyear election might be with a high saturation of seniors and lower share of younger voters.

On your other points, the California opposition was perhaps in slightly better shape, but living in California I can testify that the public support was still infitesimal and relied on heavy out of state support, compared to any of the other Props on the ballot on the ballot last year and 8 still passed on what was a liberal "wave" year.

Also, I'm not certain about the reliability of the polling either. Prop 8 last year in virtually every poll was going to be defeated, but when people got to the voting booth it still passed.

The only thing that I think can kill it is a tendency among undecideds to vote blanket "No" on things they're undecided about, but most people going to the polls this year are probably going to vote on this issue.

John said...

As a "Mainah" I can say that I expect turnout for an off year to be higher than normal. Question 1 is obviously driving interest, but there are other referendums drawing attention as well, namely TABOR II (taxpayer bill of rights). Not sure if this is good or bad, however, as I am not sure if it will be driving turnout of the correct demographic. I'll leave that analysis to those much more qualified than me.

JanieM said...

mcc wrote: "Just a reminder, if you're in Maine and you want to help stop Prop. 1, *vote early*. Early voting stations will open on Oct. 26, or you can request an absentee ballot here."

Ballots have been available for 2-3 weeks already. I voted in my town office more than 2 weeks ago. So don't wait til October 26, vote tomorrow!

Then, "No on 1" could use your help on election day. Go to

www.protectmainequality.com

and click "Get involved."

[I've never commented here before and I couldn't make links work....sorry about that.]

shiloh said...

JanieM said...
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... left out an "e" maineequality

http://www.protectmaineequality.com/

Get Involved

http://action.protectmaineequality.org/signUp.jsp?key=2342

action.protectmaineequality.org/signUp

JanieM said...

Thanks for the correction, shiloh.

Also, in case I wasn't clear about voting early --

mcc's link lets you request an absentee ballot, which is then sent to you in the mail. This method is especially handy if you're away from home, but you don't have to be away from home to use it.

On the other hand, if you're at home in Maine and you have a few minutes to run down to your town office when it's open, you can vote in person any time now.

In neither case do you have to give a reason.

Mainer said...

I have experienced the No on 1 phonebanking operation and it is superb. Volunteers have a half hour training before they start with the staff reviewing and role playing the script and then volunteers practicing with each other. As phonebanking gets started, staff come in and pull folks aside to ask them how it's going, to hear why the person is there to work and to offer suggestions and encouragement. At the end of the evening, volunteers get hyped by hearing how many contacts and early votes were generated. Staff ask them for suggestions on the training and script, hear about great moments, and encourage them to return.

Outside of the phonebanks, the weekend saw a series of gatherings by clergy for No on 1. Mainers are hearing that religious folks are on both sides of this issue.

A+ organizing. I think a win for No on 1 is more likely than not at this point. But if Maine doesn't get it this time, the issue will be back and we will win it then.

Dave Barnes said...

I think telephone polling is a joke.

We have:
1. a land line (more likely to get a call from a pollster)
2. an answering machine which causes them to hang up immediately.

We don't pick up the [home] phone until we hear your voice. So, most (thank the gods) solicitors that call hang up. But, so do the pollsters. Therefore they miss us in their sample.

And, I love surveys, but never get the chance to participate.

Brian said...

I would also add that the wording on the PPP poll is incredibly confusing, and a fair number of people who answered that poll had no idea what they were actually answering.

How that affects the results, I don't really know.

Metatron said...

I think you can attribute some of the gay-marriage support among middle-aged Mainers to the existence of Hallowell and Ogunquit, two very gay-friendly towns in the central and southern part of the state that have middle-aged populations. That, and I think that Samuel's right that there are many aging hippies in that crowd. We're a state that's largely either liberal or libertarian; that's why Republicans like Snowe and Collins are so popular here.

Metatron said...

@John:

I think you're right that the turnout will be much higher than usual this year. In addition to Questions 1 and 4, there's the drive to repeal the highly controversial school district consolidation law (Question 3) and an effort to expand the state's medical marijuana laws to allow for dispensaries (Question 5)--which Pan Atlantic apparently, and oddly, didn't do any polling on. Maine voters are poised to face a whole legislative session's worth of work on Election Day.

Also, good call on the correlation between Questions 1 and 4. From the Kennebec Journal:
"If many TABOR II supporters turn out to vote for government spending limits, it will help the effort to repeal the same-sex marriage law, he [pollster Patrick Murphy of Pan Atlantic] said. Conversely, if many TABOR II opponents turn out, that will help same-sex marriage supporters."

There are a lot of big issues involved here. I can't remember the last time there were this many divisive issues on one ballot.

sarasotajoe said...

Another way to parse these polls is by looking at margin of error. The discrepancy between these polls is great enough that either PPP or Democracy Corp must be at least slightly outside it's margin of error (by just .4% on yes - they could all be well within their margin of error on no.)

Assuming the Democracy Corp poll is .4% outside it's margin of error on yes, and the other three polls are all within their 95% margin of error, then yes will get 44.9 and no will get anywhere from 46.8 to 50.1. Adjusting this so that the vote adds up to 100% (which it will on election day, but didn't in the polls since some people didn't choose) the ban will fail by anywhere from 51-49 to 52.7-47.3.

If it is the PPP poll that is outside it's margin of error, then the ban fails by even more.

The worst case scenario - for ban opponents - is that Democracy Corp is way out in left field, and off by more than .4%. This will happen to even well made polls one out of every 20 polls, just by chance. If that's the case and we ignore Democracy Corp completely, but assume the other three polls are all within their margin of error, then we can expect yes to fall anywhere between 44.9 and 47.9 - and no to fall anywhere between 46.8 and 50.1. While the ban still likely fails, there would now be a window for it pass. Adjusting to make the vote add up to 100%, yes would fall between 47.3 and 50.6; no would fall between 49.4 and 52.7.

I'd still put money on the ban failing. But I'd put more money on Yes getting no more than 50.6%.

Rudy said...

It would be interesting to see some polling versus actual results in similar elections on this topic. My recollection is that in almost every state election over the last several years, the defeat of gay marriage has been in excess of polling predictions. That is probably a good indicator as to where the intensity lies. The closer it looks, the greater the intensity effect.

Joel said...

I don't think any analysis of a gay marriage ballot initiative is meaningful without accounting for the liar effect. California (among others) has shown on multiple occasions that people lie when being asked about gay marriage. Add 4% to Yes and subtract it from No to get a better feel for where this race stands. I hope to be proven wrong, but it looks to me that Yes will win easily.

Bridge said...

I believe the race will be tight but will end up in favor of the No on 1, so long as all the "no" supporters realize there's nothing "in the bag."

I'm surprised to read that Maine is one of the least religious states. My experience in central and western Maine as an educator had me interacting with very conservative Christians. My observation is that Maine has more evangelical Christians per capita than the other New England states. Those voters are the ones who tend to be the vehement anti-gay-rights voters. (Rather un-Christian of them if you ask me, but no one is, so oh well.) I've found that most of the Catholics in Maine are like the Catholics of the rest of New England, who tend to be more liberal (think Kennedeys).

Another factor to consider besides religion in the Question 1 referendum is same-day registration, especially considering that the college population is the one who take advantage of that, and the college population of Maine is highly liberal. This is obv good for the No on 1 campaign.

And finally, there's the histroy of gay rights referendums in the past ten years in Maine. It makes me a little teary that the state has come as far as it has considering that back in 1999, the stipulation in the Human Rights Bill that said gays could not be discriminated against based on their sexuality was REPEALED! It took until the 2004 election to protect the GLBTQ community from being discriminated against for jobs, housing, loans, etc. I had colleagues that were afraid to come out; colleagues that are now married. I hope and pray that they don't go through the retraction/addition roller coaster again. And I think and hope that the lessons of the past ten years will motivate the concerned members of the GLBTQ & allied community. I mean, crap, I live in Boston now and I'm all over the place trying to spread the word to my Maine friend-voters!

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sarasotajoe said...

There's a new poll from Pan Atlantic SMS that has the ban failing at 53/42. It has a small sample size, and therefore a large margin of error, but even at the 95% edge of that margin of error the ban still fails by a point.

I can now amend my above post: In order for the ban to pass, both the Democracy Corp and new Pan Atlantic polls would need to be outside their margins of error. Unless there is something seriously flawed with those polls, the odds of two out of five polls being that far off are far less than 1%.

Unless opinions have changed since the end of September (rendering the Democracy Corp poll moot) and the Pan Atlantic poll is flawed, the ban should fail by at least three points.