9.24.2009

Would Bigger House Favor Democrats?

Following up my previous post about the movement to increase the number of U.S. House seats, and after a long and very informative phone conversation with a smart and interesting reader named Mike Rosin, here I investigate the question: How would increasing the number of seats in the House of Representatives affect partisan competitiveness in the Electoral College?

Cutting to the chase, at least based on two-party competitiveness in the American states in recent presidential elections, expanding the House would almost certainly advantage the Democrats. "The bottom line on the Mississippi suit is that if this suit somehow succeeded it would not only increase the size of the House, it would also increase the size of the Electoral College," Rosin wrote to me by email. "This would make the Electoral College both more small-d democratic and more capital-D Democratic."



Rosin, a telecommunications engineer formerly at Bell Labs, is working on a book about the House as a tunable factor in the Electoral College. His work, in part, extends upon a recent paper by California State University-Northridge mathematicians Michael G. Neubauer and Joel Zeitlin that investigated the implications of House size on the Electoral College. (Rosin finds that the elections of 1876 and 1796 were critically depended on House size.)

To understand why expanding the House would favor the Democrats--and before getting to the chart above--let's start with a simple observation and a simple example.

The observation is that Republican presidential candidates of late fared better in smaller states than larger states. In 2000, Al Gore won six of the 11 biggest, but just 14 of the other 39, plus DC. Because every state gets two electors as a result of having two senators, the Senate bonus diminishes as the ratio between House seats and Senate seats grows; eight years later, Barack Obama won 9 of the 11 most-populous states--which alone contain (a little more than) a majority of electors--but won only 20 of the remaining 39 states, plus DC. As a simple example, imagine the House were to be suddenly doubled in size to 870 members. The Senate bonus would roughly diminish by half, and with it the exaggerated electoral power of small states.

Rosin points out that, as a general rule, whenever one candidate wins more of the Senate-based electors (i.e., wins more states) while another wins the House-based electors (i.e., wins states with a larger overall population), there is a possibility of altering the outcome by changing the House size.# Anyway, shifting from general effects to the specific, and given the recent Republican advantage in smaller states, expanding the House will tend to advantage Democrats. Were Democrats the better small-state performing party, or should they become that party in the future, the partisan effect of a larger House would, of course, be reversed.

Rosin was kind enough to game out the effect of the increase of House seats for 538's readers. Using the 2000 election, and thus the 1990 Census data upon which electors that year were still based, here's what he did: He added one seat at a time, assigned it to the state that would have received that next House seat based on the Huntington-Hill method used for (re)apportionment, and then updated the Electoral College result for the Bush-Gore 2000 election. That year is used because in a blowout election, the size of the House might alter the final tally but would be very, very unlikely to change who won. And just to be clear, state-by-state voting results are not manipulated; only the number of electoral votes cast by each state is. (Neubauer and Zeitlin produce a similar, expanded version here.)

Bush beat Gore 271-267* in the actual, 538-member Electoral College, a Bush margin of +4. As it happens, the next three states that would have each gained an elector were, in order, Massachusetts, New York and New Jersey--all Gore-won states. So, if the House had been 438 members in 2000,+ Gore would have lost by just a single elector, 271-270. From there the added electors toggle between Gore-blue and Bush-red states. And, though it may be hard to see precisely from the figure above, when the House size hits 491 Gore is tied, and then takes his first lead at 492. The margin flips back and forth a bit, but once it reaches 598 Gore wins at every size up to and including 932--with the exception of another exact tie at 655. Overall, Bush's lead grows as high as 7 and Gore's to 14. But because Bush won by 4 with a 435-member House/538-member Electoral College, that means the largest net swing is +3 to Bush but +18 to Gore.

Hence, based on recent partisan trends in the states, a bigger House tends to yield a bigger advantage for a Democratic candidate, all else equal.

NOTES:
#In the analysis DC is treated as a "state" with two Senate-based electors and one House-based elector (at House size = 435), even though technically it is not a state and of course has neither two senators nor a voting House member. Hence, the Senate-based elector count for Gore in 2000 is 42, for the 20 states plus DC Gore carried.

*Yes, I know that one Democratic elector did not vote, so the official total is actually 271-266. And yes, I'm also aware of the fact that the state populations by 2000 actually "cost" Bush 7 electors because, were the Electoral College state apportionments based on 2000 Census data (already by then collected), instead of the 1990 decade, Bush's total would have been 278, not 271--but this is a separate issue.


+There is a proposal to give DC a voting House member and also add one seat to Utah's delegation--a political decision to adjust House seat totals, but not one in conformity with the Huntington-Hill's natural adjustment to add new states. So when I speculate on a 438-member House, I do not mean one that would result from some political bargain to add seats to specific states, like the DC/UT proposal, but the automatic application of H-H.

50 comments

Steve said...

The H-H method of apportionment generally favors big states, so one might argue that the senate bias is already cancelled out to some extent.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1076397291.html

stop_the_stutter said...

It's all about national domination with you dems...isn't it. Fuck the constitution. Dilute it away, you assholes!

Wayward Son said...

In regards to the size of the House, the Constitution says..

Article 1, Section 2: "The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand,
but each State shall have at Least one Representative."

With a U.S. population of approximately 307 million, the House could expand to 10233 members and still remain entirely as the founders intended. It is fair to say, in fact, that restricting the size of the House as the country grew was directly in opposition to their stated design.

Brad Peterson said...

Now you need to factor out illegal immigrants and other non-citizens. States receive more House representatives based on population, not on citizens. California, for example, currently gets 6 more representatives because of illegals and non-citizens living there.

Walker said...

538 Stalwarts,

This endless talk about whether or not the Republicans can re-take Congress…I don’t know…does it really matter? The same corporate interests ultimately control the agenda and the outcome, right?

Could we not all agree on at least this?

I just don’t think that the 2 party system in the US is really on its last legs. It just doesn’t really meet the needs of a vast majority of Americans. Placing all your eggs in either one or two baskets, proverbially speaking, ultimately leads to futility and inaction.

I consider myself a Republican by default but I am very unhappy with the state of the party.

My beliefs and particulars are admittedly peculiar, however.

Could there be a party for me?

I am largely an economic and social libertarian except I am also a very passionate pro-life voter. I support open borders and open gun laws.

I would also like to remove vested corporate (and government interests) from DC. The two parties are neck deep in outside monies.

I would love to see a grassroots 3rd party movements on the left and right.

Tyler said...

While I understand your distress, Walker, it does in fact matter which party controls Congress. This can be seen in any number of substantive policy differences between the parties. To despair and see the two parties as the same because of corporate interests would reduce our ability to obtain some improvements simply because we are upset that we cannot have our ideal.


As for your hopes of a third party, you'll have to tackle the system established by the founding fathers to make this feasible. Structural factors simply make a two party system more or less inevitable in the US.

Jacob said...

Doubling the size of the House (or increasing it to 10000+) would certainly help correct disproportional representation, but there seems to be little mention of the major disadvantages of doing this. Namely, as House size grows, representatives become less widely known and scrutinized, we get more highly polarized districts that elect wingnuts who contribute nothing to the discussion, and the power of any non-senior member of the House to do anything practically disappears.

There are other ways to increase House size and better reflect state populations without having an unmanageable legislature. One intermediate idea that I have seen floated around is to set the size of the smallest state (currently WY at about 540K) as a base for one congressional district and assigning every state a number of seats based on the quotient of its population to Wyoming's. Rather than finding a set number like 435 and distributing them among the states.

Such a measure would increase the size of the House substantially but not overwhelmingly (Using 2008 population estimates I would estimate a house size of about 569). This method would diminish state-by-state disparities regarding district size (the eight middle deciles of districts would likely have differences of fewer than 30,000 residents), with only a couple of extreme outlier districts. Perhaps more importantly, this method would benefit larger states rather than smaller ones already over-represented in the Senate.

Analyzing partisan benefits of House size shifts is important, and a change is long overdue, but it's worth examining how much and more importantly in what way we would increase House size.

Rustjive said...

"With a U.S. population of approximately 307 million, the House could expand to 10233 members and still remain entirely as the founders intended. It is fair to say, in fact, that restricting the size of the House as the country grew was directly in opposition to their stated design."

Yes, I'm sure the founders wanted a government where we have 10 thousand representatives in the same room arguing their points. That sounds like a genius idea, no bureaucracy at all. Think about all we'd be able to get done, after all, every new rep does more stuff, right?

Right?

Jacob said...

I think the point I intended to make was that presidential electoral math is perhaps the least important consequence of changing the size of the house.

As far as presidential elections go, a more common-sense (though vastly more difficult approach) would be an amendment giving states electors based only on the number of representatives, not senators.

Pinkybum said...

The concept of "Winner takes all" means two political parties is the optimum number if you are trying to maximize your chances of success. The philosophy of winner takes all is pervasive throughout the US not so much in other countries, e.g. Germany.

anothy said...

stop_the_stutter: you've totally missed the point. any proposed change along these lines is entirely in line with the constitution, which explicitly leaves the size of the house open to legislation. the US Constitution is a pretty good read; you should check it out some time.

Jacob: i agree there are downsides, but i think the upsides would be more substantial. yes, in a dramatically larger House we'd likely get some nutjobs, but it'd also be a lot easier to get more diversity in valid views, including getting better third-party representation. bumping the number up towards the maximum would introduce all sorts of "manageability" issues that i don't think we really benefit from dealing with, but having a non-trivial increase (towards, say, 1000 rather than 10000) could get us better diversity without having to build a new Capitol.

i'd also suggest that we're already in a state that most House members remain unknown outside their district, and maybe a neighboring few. you get decent local coverage, and there's plenty of that to handle a doubling or tripling of the House size. aside from that, it's relatively uncommon for a House member to get much national attention anyway.

Valpey said...

Or we could just support the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact with a completely legal - no-constitutional-amendment-necessary way of electing the president by popular vote. MD,NJ,IL,HI, and WA have all signed on (61 of 270 electors needed) with legislation pending in DE,MA,NY,OK and VT.

Electing the president by popular vote removes swing-state bias and is generally favored by a majority of Republicans, a majority of Democrats and a majority of Independents. Contact your state representative and point out how anyone not living in a swing state becomes more powerful in determining the presidency.

Jacob said...

Anthony,

You're right, I think, and <1000 members seems like a reasonable range.

The major downsides (like ability to be heard, cost of maintaining offices and staff, etc) start small but grow exponentially as you grow into the thousands (it's worth noting that few legislative chambers in the world include more than 700-800 members).

There are many numbers and many ways of determining a number that could produce a useful but manageable increase in House membership.

Wayward Son said...

A comment was made that seemed to indicate a change to the number of Representatives would be a 'dilution' of the Constitution. My response was to actually quote the Constitution.

The founders could have selected a specific number of Representatives, but did not do so. In fact, they set a maximum number that allowed for proportional growth even when no new states were added, unlike their plans for the Senate.

At no point did I indicate a preference for selecting the maximum allowed constitutionally.. so those who look at the higher number and argue against it are intentionally missing the point. But any rational person would look at the possible range of 50 to 10233 and adjudge we may be unnecessarily limiting the representation based on precedent alone.

Burt said...

This endless talk about whether or not the Republicans can re-take Congress…I don’t know…does it really matter? The same corporate interests ultimately control the agenda and the outcome, right?

Walker - You are 100% correct.

The last eight months should have shown everyone that Ralph Nader was absolutely right in 2000 - the only difference between Democrats and Republicans is the speed with which their knees hit the floor when big corporations come knocking.

Steve Rogers said...

Whipping votes in a House of 10,000would be a nightmare, as would sorting through mountains of proposed legislation. Plus, any increase in diversity or third party representation would be diminished by the reduced importance of an individual representative. With such a large chamber, there simply would not be time for everyone's voice to be heard.

Walker said...

Burt, isn't it funny that you and I can come to the same conclusion from opposite ends of the political spectrum?

I like you comment about Nadar and the differences between Dems and Reps.

Very true.

Jeffrey said...

This whole analysis ignores that the fact that representatives are elected by districts. Is it reasonable to assume that the party balance in the House tracks Presidential Electors apportioned for house seats? I would like to see an analysis of that question.

Davy said...

Electoral math has always seemed needlessly complicated and subject to manipulation. This article did not help clarify any of it.

Of course, I'm also a disgruntled year 2000 democrat, FWIW.

Jeffrey said...

Brad Peterson said...
"Now you need to factor out illegal immigrants and other non-citizens. States receive more House representatives based on population, not on citizens. California, for example, currently gets 6 more representatives because of illegals and non-citizens living there."

Texas is another large state with a lot of non-citizens. If you want to raise an issue lets look at all its implications. That is is what a true "fair and balanced" approach would require.

andy barbour said...

While i appreciate your analysis, can you please follow good visual presentation practices and *at least* label the axes?

Burt said...

Walker - I've always thought it was dumb that so many conservatives are corporatists. True conservatives (which are not to be confused with the Limbaugh wing of the GOP) strongly believe in individual liberty, and massive, concentrated corporate power is just as much if not more of a threat to individual liberty than massive, concentrated government power.

We need serious, fundamental change in our system, and neither major party is going to bring it.

Pragmatus said...

Done deal. He takes the oath of office tomorrow, and presumably will be in the Senate by Monday. Dems are back up to 60.

Pragmatus said...

Burt…

I have to agree with your assessment that, in large measure, the Republicans and Democrats are Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee.

However, if the GOP had been in control of Congress at the time of the market implosions and credit seize-up of last September, there would have been no massive bailout, and we’d all be living through an unmitigated financial disaster, the economic equivalent of the Stone Age.

So there is a difference.

Pragmatus said...

One last point…

In the chart that chows the different Bush/Gore distributions relative to a 435- and an 870-seat House, how is it that the total number of senate electors is 102 (60+42)? There were only 100 senators IIRC in 2000.

mclever said...

Pragmatus,

As Schaller explained, he's counting two of DC's electors as "Senators" for purposes of this analysis.

Hope that clears up your confusion!

Pragmatus said...

Never mind, DC gets 3 electors.

Thanks mclever. I just went to Wikipedia and apparently DC does get three electors in the actual Electoral College--one for each hypothetical senator and one for a hypothetical congressperson.

Jonathan said...

Everyone here is ignoring what is perhaps the biggest logistical hurdle involved in increasing the size of the House of Representatives: The Capital is simply not large enough. Physically. The room in which the HOR meets could hypothetically fit a few more seats, but, say, to put, as one commentor suggested, a cap of roughly 1,000 seats is simply not currently possible. A new building would be required, or serious remodeling to the Capital building.

The funny thing is - I think there would be more opposition in the country to replacing or remodeling the Capital building than actually having greater representation per individual in our nation.

Dan Murphy said...

I really like the proposal put forward by Jacob at 11:42. It makes more sense than assigning a number to the House. Essentially, every ten years the number would go up or down based on the population of one state. But it would remain a manageable size.

Biggest problem I foresee is the assigning of representatives by district. Every ten years the districts would have to be drawn up based on population, rather than community, which could cause some problems (not like there aren't any with the gerrymandering that occurs now). A solution would be that the state votes as a whole for representatives, rather than by district, and if the state votes 60-40 for dems and gets 10 reps, then they get 6 dems and 4 repubs. Of course, then you would no longer be voting on people, but on the so-called generic dem or generic repub. Which would be even more polarizing. But it would free up representatives to vote their conscience rather than the polls. Smarter people than I will have to fix this problem.

Pragmatus said...

Jonathan…

The Capitol was already drastically remodeled once—the tiny rooms just to either side of the rotunda used to be the House and Senate chambers, until they were outgrown and a new wing added on either side of the building. Something similar could be done without too much fuss, although it probably would kick up a storm. Americans sure love to complain…

Davy said...

Have to go with Prag on this one. Theoretically, we at least have some control over govt.

Pragmatus said...

Here’s the Capitol in the 1840’s.

Davy said...

Gerrymandering. Ask Tom Delay how that went when he gets off the dance floor.

Jonathan said...

Pragmatus,

I've heard that the building has been remodeled before, but I'm not sure the current layout of the building would even allow for 400+ extra seats (I'm not too familiar with the actual location of the room in the building or the layout of the building). If they did remodel, they would run into the same problem down the road unless US population suddenly stops growing.

I suppose they could meet whether either the Redskins or Nationals play. Then we could make it one rep. per 30,000 citizens and not encounter a seating problem until the country reaches a population near 2 billion.

But you're right - Americans would complain about having to remodel the building and even more so they would complain about having to foot the bill for 400+ new representatives.

Ickey said...

Best way to add seats to the House = adding a new state, such as PR. The new state gets X new representatives, so instead of re-doing every state's district map and going to all the effort and expense of re-gerrymandering the entire country - both sides could be convinced to just add a few new seats to the chamber 5-6 for PR for example. And if the number you're adding is odd, thus giving you an even number in the House, then just make DC's rep a full voting member, since she already has a seat in the chamber. No remodeling, no re-drawing of all the districts, no new off-year census or tracking down of illegals. Everybody wins. Not sure this particular example helps either party specifically, but it is fair and does increase the # of representatives which is argued to be generally good for democracy in this article. Adding new northern states due to Quebecois independence would be a better example if you were specifically interested in increasing the number of Dems in congress by adding seats, btw.
-Jeff

Chris said...

Bonus for using the stadiums where the Redskins and/or Nationals play: Given the state of those franchises, they're usually going to be empty anyway.

obsessed said...

What are the chances of this happening and what actions by what institutions would be necessary?

JSZ said...

Not sure whether it is very relevant to the analysis, but Tom, did you take into account the fact that Maine and Nebraska might have get additional electors that may not have voted for (respectively) Gore and Bush?

And Dan Murphy, what you say already exists and it is called proportional representation. It exists and works well in the Netherlands, Israel, Germany, New Zealand, Brazil, and a host of others. There is no evidence that it would lead to increased polarization.

Erik Brynjolfsson said...

There's another subtler effect that might be even more important. Democrats tend to be more concentrated (i.e. in cities) than Republicans. As a result, even if a state is split 50-50 between the parties, there might be more districts with a majority of Republicans. With more districts, this effect might be reduced or exaggerated, depending on how the districts were drawn. In the limit, as the number of districts equals the number of voters, then concentration doesn't matter. That's also true with one big district. But for intermediate numbers of districts, concentration does matter. Perhaps this effect can be modeled mathematically.

Inferno said...

Actually, I believe that it's one rep per 30,000 constituents up until 100 reps are in, then 1 per 40,000 until 200 reps, and then 1 per 50,000 henceforth.

So the House could expand to roughly 6150 members, not 10,000.

That said, the Constitution was written when the difference between the size of the smallest and largest states was something like 15 orders of magnitude. Now, it's closer to 75, most likely. So, yeah, it's not feasible.

w/r/t concerns:

Wingnuts - raison d'etre of the House of Representatives. Seriously. As much as it pains me to admit this, crazies like Michele Bachmann and Cynthia McKinney are actually supposed to be a function of the House. The House represents the "will of the people," and let's be honest: Quite a few of us are nuts. It's a function of having 300+m people, and just plain statistics. There are terms I could use, but they aren't appropriate for a site like this.

Electoral politics: The thing is, that's where "over-representation" really shows up. Believe it or not, it's not so much a problem in the House - the range of constituents per CD is about an order of 2, more or less. (This is about as good as you can get it, under our system.) WY-AL, using that as an example, has about 30% more voting power per constituent than an average large-state district, like - say - NJ's.

(Also, I should note: The most "over-represented" districts are Wyoming...and Rhode Island's, if I recall. The most "under-represented" are MT-AL and NV-3, and the latter is due largely to mid-decade population growth.)

The problem - yeah - comes up largely in electoral politics, because the slight small-state bias in the House paired with a large small-state bias in the Senate provides an even larger small-state bias in the EC. Essentially, 5 states the size of...oh, Wyoming...cancel out NJ's vote, even though NJ has 17x the population. Which may have been fine with a fairly weak federal government (i.e., when we were the 18th century version of the EU), but not so much nowadays.

tl;dr - We're holding on to a system that probably needs some tweaks. Granted, the mechanisms for change were small-c conservative, but I think nowadays people think that the state of the Union is set in stone, and that's...not quite right.

JSZ - Actually, not quite. In a lot of proportional representative systems (Israel is notable for this), not only do governments tend to be less stable (which isn't necessarily a bad thing)...they also tend to play to the extremes of the side they're on.

For example, Israel's relatively moderate (though still hawkish) Likud formed a coalition with more hawkish parties. Germany's federal elections this week may lead to a right-wing government from the current centrist grand coalition. And it works in the other direction as well.

Extreme minorities have a lot of rights in the United States. Which is good, I think - I don't think that it's good to suppress Holocaust deniers, extreme Zionists, birthers, LaRouchers, etc., etc. (Yes, two of these things are not like the others. But I'm trying to make a point.) That said, I think that in order to have proportional representation that doesn't get hijacked entirely, you have to have significant brakes on the type of speech allowed.

(Before you say that the dialogue has already been hijacked by the extreme right in our current system: May I point you towards the election results of 2008 and the fact that it's more likely than not that both houses will remain in Democratic control in 2010, even though things are looking bad for them now?)

Inferno said...

Finally (since you're sick of me, probably):

@Erik - Yes and no. It depends largely on party makeup - and extrema happen on BOTH ends of the spectrum. (Cities tend to be highly pro-Democrat and rural areas tend to be highly pro-Republican.) In a population of 10m people, it's not as simple as a city of 1m being 95% Dem and the rest of the population being fairly homogeneous 55% Rep (which would produce an exact 50-50 split).

Besides, since population is the determinant of CDs, effects are distributed fairly evenly anyway.

Burt said...

However, if the GOP had been in control of Congress at the time of the market implosions and credit seize-up of last September, there would have been no massive bailout, and we’d all be living through an unmitigated financial disaster, the economic equivalent of the Stone Age.

Pragmatus - Yeah, and the Democrats are now working with the Republicans to ensure that there will be no punishment for the people who brought us to this financial crisis, and no significant reforms of the financial system, guaranteeing that it's only a matter of time until another market implosion.

Pardon me if that doesn't exactly inspire me.

Jacob said...

@ Inferno

Actually, one representative is apportioned to each state automatically after which the remaining 385 are apportioned using the Jefferson method, which is analogous to the D’Hondt method of proportional representation (as used in Netherlands, Israel, etc). Essentially, each state’s population is submitted into the equation of V/(s+1) where V is the population of the state and s is the number of seats already allotted to it. This is done for each state for each seat and the state with the highest quotient gets the seat. Theoretically, with no cap on the number of reps, this process could be done until V/(s+1) < 30000 for each state, which would be I believe 10233 representatives

Persuter said...

Wingnuts - raison d'etre of the House of Representatives. Seriously. As much as it pains me to admit this, crazies like Michele Bachmann and Cynthia McKinney are actually supposed to be a function of the House. The House represents the "will of the people," and let's be honest: Quite a few of us are nuts.

Saw this on South Park a few nights ago:

Cartman: Kyle, why are you so afraid of the truth?!

Kyle: Because anybody who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy is a retard!

Cartman: Oh really? Well did you know that over one-fourth of people in America think that 9/11 was a conspiracy? Are you saying that one-fourth of Americans are retards?

Kyle: Yes. I'm saying one-fourth of Americans are retards.

Stan: Yeah, at least one-fourth.

Inferno said...

@Persuter: Hey, I just said that the morons in the US deserve to be represented like the rest of us. ;)

In effect, we don't get the representation we want (mostly), we get the representation we deserve.

Hm. TMYK, though. I didn't really think that it was D'Hondt/Jefferson; I thought it was straight "We'll give 1 CD to each state and then divide the population by 435 to get the remainder" stuff.

...though that does make sense. California (with ~12% of the US pop) holds...uh...actually, it holds a little over 12% of House seats, assuming a population of 36m for Cali and 310m for the US. Subtracting 1, though, it gets 52 of the remaining 385 seats, or...um...nearly 14%. Then again, it's just the way the operation is done, so...

Pragmatus said...

Burt…

I agree. That why I say a plague on both their houses.

The business/money interests are so adept at getting their own way that the chance of getting meaningful financial regulation and oversight is probably close to zero.

juvanya said...

Wait up...

The Democrats have a majority in the House.

The Democrats have a majority in the Senate.

The House size is fixed based on a law, not an amendment.

Anyone see where I am going with this?

Nosimplehiway said...

@Walker

Yeah, you're probably right it doesn't matter which party you vote for. Why, you could just pick a party and vote their straight ticket forever. But which one should you pick, the Democrats or the Republicans? Hmm... well, alphabetically seems fair. Yeah! :-)

Mike in Maryland said...

Chris said...
Bonus for using the stadiums where the Redskins and/or Nationals play: Given the state of those franchises, they're usually going to be empty anyway.

A couple of problems with using FedEx Field (where the Redskins play:

1. Even though the Deadskins have had little on-field success recently, there is supposedly 150,000 people on a waiting list to get (non-premium seating) season tickets for the games.

However, there is an even larger problem with using FedEx Field:

2. It is located outside the District of Columbia (in the Landover, Maryland postal code). The Constitution says the seat of government SHALL be located in the District.

Nationals Park, on the other hand, is within the District, 15 blocks south of the Capital Building. A major problem is that it is an open air stadium, with a very jagged 'roofline', and it would cost several (probably hundreds of) millions of dollars to enclose it.

An alternative location might be RFK Memorial Stadium, located 24 blocks directly East of the Capital Building. It is rumored that the site (once federally owned, but now owned by the DC government) will eventually be sold (when the MLS D.C. United are scheduled to move to a new stadium in 2012) to the owner of the Deadskins, a new domed stadium would be built, and the Deadskins would thus be back in the District. If this deal happens, it is surmised that the seating of the new stadium would approximate 90,000-100,000, larger than the new Cowgirls stadium in Dallas (75,000 actual seats).

If the United move to a new stadium as scheduled, there would be a very small window of time for Congress to take possession of the site - otherwise it would become much too expensive if a new domed stadium is under construction, or actually built.

Mike in Maryland

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