Here's the news. So much for a quiet Friday.
There is absolutely no upside here for Charlie Crist. When you're running for Senate, and you're protecting a huge lead, the last thing you need is a wild card like this that can cause people to grow upset with you. Odds are that Crist will take a look at what happened to David Paterson and at least make a decision quickly.
And/but -- Crist just doesn't have a lot of good choices. Since he wants the seat himself beginning in 2011, he can't appoint someone like Jeb Bush who has equally strong credentials, and he can't appoint any sitting Representatives and then come back 18 months later and hope to kill their careers. He also presumably won't want to appoint himself -- a moderate Republican senator is going to have two or three really tough votes over the next year and he would have to navigate carefully so as not to re-energize either the Marco Rubio campaign to his right or the Democrats to his left. If Crist does appoint himself, that would suggest to me that he's really looking more toward 2012 (or 2016) and is sort of going "all-in" on maximizing public exposure and may even try and be a "hero" on health care reform, etc. It would take someone pretty egomaniacal to think that way. Then again, it takes someone pretty egomaniacal to run for President.
In any event, the lack of alternatives is why former governor Bob Martinez (no relation), who has been out of public office for eighteen years, is getting so much buzz right now. He seems like the obvious choice -- then again, he's 74 years old, and was distinctly unpopular by the time he left office, losing his re-election bit to Lawton Chiles by 13 points.
The nearer-term question is whether the Democrats might wind up with someone who could be a potential yes vote on health care -- which Martinez almost certainly wouldn't have been, even though he'd been voting somewhat more moderately since announcing his retirement, including voting to confirm Sonia Sotomayor yesterday. Democrats shouldn't get their hopes up -- Crist is arguably still more threatened by Rubio than by any of the Democratic general election candidates -- but they nevertheless have something of a freeroll here.
If Democrats really wanted to play hardball and squeeze Crist on this decision, then someone like Robert Wexler could take one for the team and announce he had decided to run for Senate. That's probably too much risk for too little reward. But don't be surprised if you see a few bluffs/trial balloons along these lines if Crist takes too long to make his pick.
8.07.2009
Mel Martinez to Resign Senate Seat; Charlie Crist to Pull Own Hair Out
by Nate Silver @ 12:23 PM
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I wonder if Martinez dropped out so early because of the Sotomayor vote and the double standard towards her was a big turnoff for him. I'd imagine the hate mail is pouring in for those that voted for her already and some of it is disgusting to another hispanic.
Or.
Could the GOP have known this would put Christ in a bind and since he was an Obama supporter of the stimulus, they want him out and pushed Martinez out.
Maybe it was a bit of both.
Of course we'll probably never know the real reason.
Wild Card possibility:
Crist selects Rubio and tries to defeat him as an incumbent on the hopes he makes himself unpopular with Republican voters on some issues.
If there were an "open primary", the smart thing for Christ to do would be to appoint himself and move to the left, not to the right. He then sets himself up to capitalize on moderate and independent voters.
How does he get around the lack of an open primary? Well, he could appoint himself and CHANGE PARTIES.
And before you say that's impossible, remember Lieberman!
Nothing wrong with running as an Independent!
woo robert wexler! my congressman likes hookers and cocaine!
@Sacto Joe
Well someone needs to dig up info on how friendly/unfriendly Florida voter laws are to independent candidates. One reason it's said Specter joined the democratic party instead of simply going independent had to do with ballot placement. Similar logic would apply to Crist if he starts being seriously threatened by Rubio.
This sure will be interesting. Martinez did this purposely to screw Crist—no honor amongst thieves (or teabaggers) I guess.
I suppose we’ll have to wait until Pete Kent or Adam tells us what’s going to happen. You gotta love those guys—no incident can pass their notice without a string of anti-Obama predictions spewing out.
The hair is not the problem: the tan is.
You failed to address a big question, which is: Why are so many GOP Senators anxious to flee their caucus? Could it be because they can't stand the bitterness and nihilism of the Party of No anymore?
I've heard that Martinez wants to be a candidate for the presidency of Florida State University which just opened up. That is likely why he has decided to resign early. He's expressed interest in the position in the past.
I wouldn't read too much into it politically.
Its an interesting little quandry for Crist here. If he wants to be a Senator, why not appoint himself? And you can imagine that question coming up in a primary campaign, though I suppose its easy enough to say 'because I wanted the voters to elect me'. But then again can he really find a decent placesitter, and how does that make him look? Fascinating decision to make politically.
So wait...there is no sex, gay or otherwise, behind this?
hmm, the party of No! has also become the party who takes their ball and leaves ;) Martinez was the perfect Rep candidate for the senate in FL and now he can't wait to get out of town.
As Dr. Henry Lee would say, "there's something wrong, something very wrong here!"
carry on
A quick example of the fascination here. He doesn't want to be too moderate in the primary I would imagine, so it might be more sensible to appoint a moderate GOPer, in the hopes of pushing his agenda, without having to take responsibilty for it. But then what happens when Rubio points at the appointed Senator as 'Crist's man' and links Crist to their votes. So does Crist use this as an opportunity to show some right wing mettle and shove in a more conservative guy, while risking allowing Rubio's views some credibility?
Depending on when Hutchinson Resigns and when Christ fills this seat, there could be a window of maybe a week in which the senate only has 98 members. Which, if this were to be the case, the 3/5 requirement for cloture would only require 58 votes...hmmmm.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
OBAMA APPROVAL CLIMBING!
He needs to find his own Roland Burris - someone who cannot possibly run in 2010.
Robert Wexler should run for Senate, he's a great progressive and Florida could use a guy like him in the U.S. Senate.
Why doesn't Crist just appoint Rubio? Rubio would accomplish nothing while in the Senate, other than solidifying his place in the angry mob, and he would have very little ammo to use against Crist. Meanwhile Crist would burnish his conservative credentials and would be able to get through the next year without constantly coming under attack.
@Yokem55
Martinez has said he will resign at such a date that his replacement has been appointed.
Crist could always appoint his beard ...errr.... wife.
It's worth noting that the decrease in unemployment was not the effect of more people getting work, but of more people giving up searching for work, and thus not being included in the 9.4% unemployment figure. The number of employed still went down.
Nevertheless, the number of jobs lost was lower (and substantially so) than expected, this could be a good harbinger for actual job recovery is the less distant future.
Let us hope that future months bring more concrete jobs growth.
Crist won't appoint Rubio. For one thing, Crist is not actually facing a tough primary, despite the internet buzz. If he appointed his opponent to the Senate, he would be facing an incumbent of sorts, and his campaign would have to change radically. For another, to appoint Rubio is to endorse Rubio's views, and Florida is too tight to admit that kind of uncertainty in political positioning.
Governors should not be filling Senate vacancies -- voters should. No matter what Crist does, it will be seen through the lens of his personal interests.
Feingold's constitutional amendment mandating elections for vacancies was passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee just yesterday, and it's something folks should start getting behind. Our analyst David Segal opined on this subject in the New York Times recently.
If he appointed his opponent to the Senate, he would be facing an incumbent of sorts
Not really, IIRC Nate pointed out a few months ago few appointed Senators win their election as an "incumbent".
It would weaken Rubio to a certain extent, and would hurt him badly if he fell in line with the current "strategy" of offering no ideas and screaming. Florida is not New York but neither is it Alabama or Wyoming.
I agree that governors shouldn't be making Senate appointments; it should be confirmed with their legislative branch at the very least. However I think in this situation, a place holder is the wisest choice. Someone who while being a competent and honest bureaucrat (they do exist! I've seen them), has no interest in nor aptitude for public campaigning.
Just look at Biden's old seat. It's likely the best choice.
Of course there are many choices for a Governor with Sentator making powers. I think that I could pitch this as a reality show:
You start of with open auditions ala 'American Idol', you sit your senator hopefuls in a room and ask them 'Palin stumper' questions about the government. Show the best and the worst, especially focus on the ones doing the 'crazy haired lady' rants. Ratings gold!
Yokem55,
3/5 0f 98 rounded UP is still 59 [Senate votes]
I'm sure Crist would like to appoint himself, and perhaps should. He's popular enough, and I don't think the majority of Floridians would hold it against him. As ever though, it's the consevative nutbase that's the problem.
Maybe he should just switch parties.
How moderate is this Crist guy anyway?
I guess its tough to tell these days with Dick Lugar and Judd Gregg holding down the left wing of the Republican party. Bet they never saw that coming.
If Crist appoints himself then the hard right will howl.
A better play is to appoint someone popular statewide as a placeholder until the end of the term - with the understanding that the "substitute" will bow out for Crist.
If Crist can convince former Sen. Connie Mack to take up the appointment that would be just ducky. That way he won't piss anyone off and he'll maintain his popularity.
Saint Dude,
Crist can't appoint Rubio because Rubio won't go away if he gets in there.
In celebration of another Rep stepping down! :)
and in remembrance of John Hughes :(
How can we possibly be expected to handle politics on a day like this!
I do have a test today, that wasn't bullshit. It's on European Socialism, I mean really, what's the point. I'm not European, I don't plan on being European. So who gives a crap if their Socialists! They could be Fascists/Anarchists still wouldn't change the fact I don't own a car!
Actually, now that I think about it...I think he will apoint himself.
BTW, I agree with Paul - Governors should not be filling Senate vacancies -- voters should.
not the greatest situation for Crist, I guess he just has to make the weak appointment and take the small amount of heat he'll get for strolling into the senate seat after he's done as gov. www.yovia.com/blogs/timlara
With the exception of Breakfast Club, Uncle Buck and Curly Sue, which are still pretty decent, I've loved every movie John Hughes has directed and almost very script he's written. It's a pity he didn't make a contemporary movie.
I just think it's bad form to appoint yourself to a seat when you intend on asking the voters if they want you there.
And that's not a Democrat/Republican thing.
It just looks bad and I hope he doesn't go that route.
You didn't like Uncle Buck?
I thought it was a cute movie.
Governors should appoint replacements. Any more open process would take much longer. Party affiliation is much more predictable, allowing for situations in which, as we saw in this administration, an office holder is more willing to leave office to serve in an administration.
An open election would, in my estimation, be lunacy. It would essentially abrogate the terms laid out by the constitution and would result in incumbents adjusting their retirement date to enhance the potential election of a particular replacement.
I believe Crist will in fact learn from Paterson's experience and promptly nominate Caroline Kennedy.
Haha. Caroline Kennedy made Sarah Palin look scholarly.
Caroline Kennedy was hardly a genius, but lets not say things we can't take back.
@PorridgeGun
What are you, some kind of joker? I don't get into flame wars over politics, but to lump Breakfast Club and UB in with Curly Sue is worthy of a flame war.
First, Uncle Buck was as good a coming-of-age (in this case, UB abandoning his emotional age) movie as there is out there, not to mention his many, many memorable lines and tete-a-tetes with various villains.
Second, Breakfast Club was... I'm going to stop here, because you were probably born in the eighties and just wouldn't understand the particular relevance of this work.
Stick to political assessments!
Semper Fi,
Terry
LOL... I got into a lighthearted dispute with Jenny a few months back over Pacino.
For the record, here's how I rate John Hughes' movies...
Director
1. She's Having a Baby
2. Sixteen Candles
3. Weird Science
4. Ferris Bueller's Day Off
5. Planes, Trains & Automobiles
6. The Breakfast Club
7. Uncle Buck
8. Curly Sue
2-5 are pretty much interchangeable. They're all class.
Writer/Producer
1. Some Kind of Wonderful
2. National Lampoon's Vacation
3. Mr. Mom
4. National Lampoon's European Vacation
5. Pretty in Pink
6. National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation
7. Dennis the Menace
8. Home Alone
Astroturf At Its Finest: 'Grassroots Protester' Actually A GOP Official - GOP Official Poses As Local Mom And Grills Congressman
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/grassroots-protester-actually-gop-official.php?ref=fpa
What's Jeb Bush doing that he can't keep Mel's seat warm for 15 months? This is a no-brainer for Crist.
Crist and Jeb Bush aren't exactly "amigos". I suspect that both have higher political aspirations - and I don't think that Crist is in any hurry to elevate someone that could cause problems for him down the road.
PorridgeGun said...
For the record, here's how I rate John Hughes' movies...
Director
1. She's Having a Baby
2. Sixteen Candles
3. Weird Science
4. Ferris Bueller's Day Off
5. Planes, Trains & Automobiles
6. The Breakfast Club
7. Uncle Buck
8. Curly Sue
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1) Ferris Bueller
2) Breakfast Club
the rest don't deserve to be on the same list imo
'Some Kind of Wonderful' and 'Home Alone' were very good also.
carry on
Life moves pretty fast! You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!
PorridgeGun…
Ha! That Republican Party Official “Just a Mom” is a page right out of the GW playbook. Remember that ex-hustler who was hired by the GOP to lob softball, concern-troll questions at Dubya during his press conferences?
They just have no shame. I stopped taking bets on how low the GOP will stoop.
:o)
BTW, I didn’t see any of those movies you listed…not my type of filmmaker I guess.
Pragmatus said...
PorridgeGun…
BTW, I didn’t see any of those movies you listed…not my type of filmmaker I guess.
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Neither here nor there and remaining totally o/t ;) I have a few friends who never saw/seen 'Star Wars' but, but, but one should really see 'Ferris Bueller' it's a classic!
Nothing better than a good comedy. Just thinking of Peter Sellers in 'The Pink Panther' movies makes me smile! :)
carry on
p.s. Yea, yea, shocking that I have friends! ;)
Jeff (AKA Hotmilitarystud and Militaryescorts4m) Gannon, AKA James Guckert.
I'll throw out a couple possibilities: Allan Bense and leRoy Collins. I would like to see Bense, but I think he wants the Governorship. Collins would be a perfect seat holder for Crist.
To quote one of my idols:
Bueller... Bueller...
The last governor I remember appointing himself, Wendell Anderson in Minnesota, then lost. Appointing himself AND changing parties is a more interesting option.
I agree this puts Crist in a bind. And I think Martinez announced his resignation because this isn't fun any more. It's getting brutal out there, and I am sure the e-mails from crazed Republican base-eteers was becoming disagreeable for someone with a conscience to continue to read. Why represent those bozos any more?
Also, it looks as if the economy is sloooooooowly turning around. It's going to get hotter for the Republicans in 2010 if that happens. And 2012 will be another blood bath. Martinez just wanted out now before the crazy Republican thugs try to bring everything down.
Richard, I believe LeRoy Collins is dead. But sure, I'd expect an old-guard pick like Connie Mack (III).
shiloh…
Oh I’m not knocking those movies. I just rarely go anymore because the ones I hear that are supposed to be “so good” are almost always a big disappointment.
The last “recent” movie I saw that I liked was “Zodiac”. No idiotic, swoopy camera shots; filmed in normal real world color, not the typical wannabe-Ridley-Scott-high-contrast-frigid-spectrum-puke colors; and with believable characters, and extraordinarily well acted. Plus it was a great story. Very well written too, IMO.
I love a good comedy, but won’t even go half a block to see anything made nowadays, because “comedy” has come to mean stupid slapstick (such as teenagers getting drunk and puking—yawn) and every dumb joke you ever heard in your life repeated, with a following pause so the whole audience can laugh. Comedies are the type of movies that the idiot “suits” at the studios go through over and over, and insert every stupid cliché imaginable while taking out everything that might once have been halfway funny.
Believe me, I live in the town that makes this crap, and I know a lot of people who write for movies and TV. I know from experience!
Holy moly! Look at the rise in independents the past two months: http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/party-id.php
Interestingly, it look like repubs are losing even more than dems
Pragmatus said...
shiloh…
Oh I’m not knocking those movies. I just rarely go anymore because the ones I hear that are supposed to be “so good” are almost always a big disappointment.
The last “recent” movie I saw that I liked was “Zodiac”. No idiotic, swoopy camera shots; filmed in normal real world color, not the typical wannabe-Ridley-Scott-high-contrast-frigid-spectrum-puke colors; and with believable characters, and extraordinarily well acted. Plus it was a great story. Very well written too, IMO.
I love a good comedy, but won’t even go half a block to see anything made nowadays, because “comedy” has come to mean stupid slapstick (such as teenagers getting drunk and puking—yawn) and every dumb joke you ever heard in your life repeated, with a following pause so the whole audience can laugh. Comedies are the type of movies that the idiot “suits” at the studios go through over and over, and insert every stupid cliché imaginable while taking out everything that might once have been halfway funny.
Believe me, I live in the town that makes this crap, and I know a lot of people who write for movies and TV. I know from experience!
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No, was mostly being facetious as I totally agree w/you re: movies of the last 20 years ie mostly crap. 'Heaven's Prisoners' (1996), the last movie I saw at a theater only because I heard Teri Hatcher had a nude scene! ;)
Anyway, re: PG's list, the only movie I paid to see was 'National Lampoon's Vacation', the rest I saw on TV and checked my google blog fav movie list: only Forrest Gump '94, The Fugitive '93, Silence of the Lambs '91 and Saving Private Ryan '98 were made in the last (20) years. Old comedies and war movies are my main interest.
Today's movies are 99% recycled/sequel nonsense, nothing new under the sun. When Bill Maher says Americans are stupid one needs look no further than the highest grossing movies in Hollywood every year! ;)
ciao
My guess is he pulls a 'Ted Kaufmann:' He puts in a member of Martinez' staff who will take the heat if people don't like his votes but who it is understood from day one is only keeping the seat warm.
Because the only way his votes could hurt Crist in the primary is if they are moderate votes, I wouldn't expect any surprises, probably a party-line hack.
The next time I have to come in here, I'm crackin' skulls.
Stop yanking my wankie, the donger needs food.
Sorry, I have nothing to add regarding the Florida situation though. Looks like this puts Crist in a bind. Since Martinez says he will stay until a replacement is named, can't Crist just hold off on naming a replacement?
Sixteen Candles still one of the funniest movies ever. Over 20 years and I can recite the lines with the movie. Oh an Home Alone sucked. I was embarassed for Hughes when I heard it was one of his. Sorry.
I liked Home Alone when I was a kid in like 1990 - but watching the movie almost two decades later makes me think it wasn't nearly as good as his other films.
I wish I understood more about Florida politics to handicap this.
Is there a Democrat Crisp could select to fill this position and then run against him/her?
If he were to appoint a Democrat, he would have to answer to the angry lynch mob running around the country at the moment. A scary proposition indeed, and definitely not a way to endear himself to Republican constituents in his state.
If he survived the mob, he would certainly fall in the primary.
Here's a thought - appoint Katherine Harris. It would burnish Crist's cred with the righties and the Bushies, and she herself is so inept as a politician she'll be easy meat in the 2010 primary.
As for the suggestions above that he should appoint Rubio or Jeb - that's just nuts. Jeb's future ambitions hinge upon Crist going down, as they both have their eyes on the 2016 prize. 15 months of incumbency would be more than enough for Jeb or his sockpuppet Rubio to take down Crist. Crist isn't stupid enough to let that happen.
That said, he'll probably just go the Kaufman/Burris route and appoint Bob Martinez like everyone thinks he will. It would have been nice to see Harris get back in the game though, so she could join her fellow Conser-viragos Palin, Bachmann and Taitz.
The answer is obvious.
Mark Foley. =)
Scott said:
"Richard, I believe LeRoy Collins is dead." Well, he has a Blog up that was updated on July 29, 2009 See here: http://www.leroycollins.org/ Also, Wikipedia still has him alive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeRoy_Collins_Jr.
This is LeRoy Collins, Jr. You are probably thinking of his father who died in 1991. Although, Crist may want to appoint the father, if he really wants the seat himself.
Democratic Rep. Kendrick Meek will surprise everyone and win 2010 Florida Senate Election against Crist.
Kendrick Meek's first full interview with the blogosphere:
http://saintpetersblog1.blogspot.com/2009/08/mr-meek-talks-to-saint-petersblog.html
I wonder if this is a coincidence that Senator Martinez voted for Judge Sotomayor and then resigned while most of his fellow Republicans voted againts her. Maybe the Senator was just sick of the racism in his party and wanted out.
On a side note - I never heard this mentioned about Crist but it bothers the hell out of me but have you noticed that Charlie blinks all the time. Not only does he blink all the time but he blinks hard, almost like an exaggerated blink. I've nicknamed him Blinky! Watch him next time he's on the tube and you'll see what I mean.
As a DC Dem who grew up in Gainesville, here's hoping for Kendrick in '10. If I were Crist, though, I'd look at Rep. Bill Young (R-St. Pete). He's 78, respected, may lose in an Obama district to a top Dep recruit (State Sen. Charlie Justice) anyway, and may be up for going out as Senator Young.
Scary as it is to find myself agreeing with Adam, Connie Mack IV would be a brilliant appointment. Popular among Florida Republicans, unlikely to be interested in running for Senate again.
In light of the Sotomayor vote last week, the Republican Party's name is now mud among a sizable proportion of the Hispanic electorate. The Cuban refugees in Florida were a traditional source of strength for the Republicans but in 2008 they began to show signs of deserting, and of course many of the Hispanics in Florida aren't Cuban at all. Why else do you think Martinez broke ranks with his compadres even though he was voting as a lame duck? He knows how badly a vote against her would hurt the party in 2010.
With this in mind, Crist should appoint a Hispanic placeholder to try and recover some of what the rest of the party cost him among Hispanic Floridians. Connie Mack (who says he's not interested) would be replacing a Hispanic with an Anglo and Crist's fingerprints would be all over that move.
However, the key to this would be that Crist would have to be CERTAIN that whoever he appointed wouldn't run against him in a primary in 2010, because that would simply compound the problem.
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