The meltdown of the supposed presidential ambitions of John Ensign and Mark Sanford this month (plus the apparent sidelining of Jon Huntsman last month) has led to renewed if premature speculation about the 2012 presidential field. And inevitably, we are again hearing one of the most frequently repeated and rarely challenged myths (I use the term in the sense of a widely-held totemic belief, not to suggest it is presumptively wrong) about Republican presidential nominations: in open contests, GOPers always go for the candidate "next-in-line" by dint of earlier candidacies.
This myth was succinctly articulated just the other day by the generally insightful CNN analyst Bill Schneider in a National Journal column:
When it comes time to nominate a candidate for president, Republicans usually nominate whoever is next in line. That often means someone who's unsuccessfully run for president before. Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain -- all of them had already tried at least once.
Interestingly, the next-in-line myth seems most likely to come up right now in connection with predictions that Mitt Romney will win the prize, viz. this Mike Potemra June 15 post at National Review's The Corner:
The Republicans always nominate for president the candidate who’s next in line, even if that person is deeply unpopular (e.g., the GOP base’s hatred for John McCain did not prevent him from being nominated; he was the guy who lost to Bush in 2000, ergo…). In 2008, the runner-up was Romney. Add to that frontrunner status the fact that Romney has credibility on economics and budgeting, and he’s the prohibitive favorite.
The next-in-line myth is frequently mixed with various psychological assertions about the nature of Republicans as opposed to Democrats: they are more disciplined, hierarchical, tradition-bound, or cautious, so they never really look at fresh faces.
As some of you may know, this kind of myth-based analysis is like catnip to me (see here and here), so it's worth taking a closer look at this one as well, which I have always suspected of being an oversimplification at best and lacking a lot of predictive value.
The next-in-line myth is generally based on fairly recent precedents (perhaps because it clearly doesn't work for the only two seriously contested nominations between World War II and Vietnam, the 1952 and 1964 cycles). So let's look at the eleven presidential campaigns from 1968 through 2008. For Republicans, five of those (1972, 1976, 1984, 1992 and 2004) involved the renomination of incumbent presidents, so we are really only talking about six. (Right away, one should note that smaller data sets tend to produce more dubious "rules.") In those six campaigns, the "next-in-line" myth is held to have dictated the results in five: Nixon in 1968, Reagan in 1980, G.H.W. Bush in 1988, Dole in 1996 and McCain in 2008. Some might argue that George W. Bush was "next-in-line" in 2000 as the son of a former president, but that idea starts introducing other factors, and in any event, Bush's chief rival, John McCain, hadn't run for president before either, so it's not really relevant.
By way of comparison, Democrats had nine campaigns from 1968 through 2008 that didn't involve the renomination of incumbent presidents, and in five of those nine cycles (1976, 1988, 1992, 2004 and 2008) the winner was someone who had not run for president before. There are, for the record, two marginal cases: George McGovern, who had a brief, convention-based candidacy in 1968 as a holding action for delegates pledged previously to Robert Kennedy, and Fritz Mondale in 1984, who had begun but quickly abandoned a presidential campaign in 1972. Mondale, of course, was on the national ticket in 1976 and served four years as vice-president. But still, whether the number is five or seven, it is clear that Democrats have been more willing since 1968 to nominate someone who hasn't been a credible presidential candidate in the past.
Mondale's case, (and for that matter, Hubert Humphrey's in 1968) however, raises one of the more obvious weaknesses of the next-in-line myth as defined by prior presidential candidacies: presence on a national ticket, particularly a winning ticket, is clearly a stronger credential than a failed second-place presidential campaign. Nobody would go too far out on a limb to argue that Bush 41's status as Ronald Reagan's loyal veep for eight years was less important in 1988 than his 1980 presidential candidacy, and the same holds true for Democrat Al Gore in 2000. Moreover, Bob Dole's presence on the GOP ticket in 1976 gave him a lot more national visibility than his brief and disastrous 1980 presidential run. This is relevant today because Sarah Palin, not Mitt Romney, has served on a national ticket.
So the GOP next-in-line myth already has some holes when it comes to 1988 and 1996, which means that it didn't necessarily hold in three of the five elections at issue.
Now political myths can be questioned not just because empirical data contradict them, but also because other factors are equally important. It's immediately apparent that the next-in-line myth takes for granted assets that tend to come with, but that do not absolutely require, prior presidential candidacies--name ID, grassroots support and money.
In 1968, for example, Richard Nixon had the first and third assets via a career that stretched back to his House service from 1949-51. And in the absence of a conservative challenger (until the too-late Reagan candidacy at the Convention), he inherited much of the Goldwater activist network, particularly in the South. Did his prior presidential campaign help him obtain these assets? Of course. But did it guarantee it? Of course not. I'd say Nixon's promises to Strom Thurmond on the vice-presidency, civil rights, defense, and even textile imports--crucial in keeping the South in line--had more to do with his nomination victory than his next-in-line status.
Two other factors that the next-in-line myth tends to ignore are ideology and "electability," which become obvious if you look at the actual dynamics of actual nominating contests.
On the power of ideology, Reagan in 1980 is the obvious example. Yes, Ronald Reagan began his campaign trying to look like the "next in line;" recordings of "Hail to the Chief" greeted him at every appearance. But then he lost to Bush in Iowa, and after firing his campaign manager, remembered that his leadership of the conservative movement was a much bigger political asset that his "inevitability." Reagan ran a highly ideological campaign in New Hampshire and thereafter, and the rest was history.
Similarly, G.H.W. Bush lost to Bob Dole in Iowa, and then got his nomination campaign back on track in New Hampshire by running almost exclusively on a no-tax pledge that Dole wouldn't emulate. Bush ultimately had the support of virtually the entire conservative movement, including the Christian Right.
The only cases since 1968 where it can be persuasively argued that "next-in-line" factors trumped ideology among Republicans were in 1996 and 2008. Dole in 1996 and McCain in 2008, to be clear, had both gone the extra mile in reassuring conservatives on core issues like taxes and abortion. But more importantly, both men benefited from the weaknesses and divisions among their more-conservative opponents. Dole's lucky break was the emergence of Pat Buchanan (theoretically, BTW, the "next in line" as the second-place finisher in 1992) as his main rival on the Right, an solidified, ironically, when Buchanan beat Dole in New Hampshire. Buchanan terrified Republican elites, particularly in the business community, and it was relatively easy for Dole to beat him in later primaries. The other credible candidate, Lamar (!) Alexander, never gained the trust of party conservatives and was also running on an anti-congressional message that was deeply undercut by the Republican landslide of 1994.
A similar dynamic developed in 2008. McCain was not the least conservative candidate for the nomination--that dubious honor belonged to Rudy Giuliani--and his electability credentials based on general election polling were a formidable asset as compared to more conservative rivals like Romney and Huckabee. Recently conservative blogger Alex Knepper, in one of the few challenges to the "next-in-line" myth I've found, nicely summed up McCain's much-less-than-inevitable route to the nomination:
A few thousand votes the other way in New Hampshire or South Carolina and John McCain would have been eliminated. He walked a tightrope to the nomination. Nobody “fell in line” behind John McCain. He never even won a majority of the votes before Super Tuesday. One different move by Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee along the way and McCain could have been denied the nomination. What if McCain had lost South Carolina, perhaps leading to Charlie Crist and Mel Martinez endorsing Rudy Giuliani? What if Mitt Romney had won New Hampshire, leading to a Michigan blowout and a siphoning of votes from McCain in South Carolina, snowballing into a Florida win? To speak of McCain’s win as inevitable is history being rewritten under our noses.
But let's say for the sake of argument that the next-in-line myth is all true. What would it indicate about 2012? Those claiming the myth makes it inevitable that Mitt Romney will win the nomination sometimes appear to forget that Mike Huckabee actually won more delegates than Romney, and stayed in the race longer. Are there reasons that the rich and telegenic Romney might be stronger than Huckabee (a poor fundraiser with some wacky cultural positions deeply mistrusted by Republican business elites)? Yes, but they have nothing to do with the "next-in-line" factor. And Romney's own weaknesses, like those of Sarah Palin, are as attributable to misgivings that arose during his 2008 campaign as to the mesmerizing power that the prior candidacy is supposed to exert.
The more you really look at it, the "next-in-line" myth seems to live on mainly as a way for conservatives to wash their hands of responsibility for a couple of GOP nominees--particularly McCain in 2008--they didn't much like and who went on to perform dismally in the general election. Of course candidates with prior campaign experience have some advantages; that's like one of those double-loaded statistics in sports (e.g., starting pitchers win a lot of games when they last into the late innings) that tell you virtually nothing other than that success breeds success, and winners win. In that spirit, all we really know about the 2012 Republican nominating process is that the future lies ahead.

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I think the GOP tends in fact to pick the guy they think will win. I think Democrats tend to pick a candidate who reflects there values, and hope that they will win. GOPers don't care so much, usually, about idealogical purity, if they feel the election is winnable. Except perhaps for some in the religious right. It was interesting that they were feeling under represented last year until Palin was picked as VP then all of a sudden they got excited. Thats more typical Democratic Party behaviour.
So the point is that GOPers have tended to pick the person they feel can win. And they are pretty good at that. The only times they have strayed from this is either when they obviously aren't going to win (1964 for example) or obviously are going to win (1980 for example). Even in 2008 they seemed collectively to pick the guy they felt had the best chance of winning. (and he got a lot closer than some others might have gotten!)
The Democratic Primaries have traditionally been more of an ideological test. This means they have ended up with weaker candidates in years they probably aren't ever going to win (1972 for instance) and in years when they obviously are (1976 for example!) They have even cast around for more ideologically pure candidates when an obvious candidate exists (2000 for example, looking at Bradley over Gore).
The Dems are also not so good at picking the guy who can win. Kerry, I would suggest, was picked because Dems felt he had the best chance of winning. I think a lot of people felt that Hillary had the best chance of winning in 2008. (I'd suggest that McCain vs Hillary might have turned out very much closer that Obama vs McCain did). In 84 they pick the guy that can win (Mondale) in a year they were never going win in, then in 1988 they pick an ideogically pure guy and lose. (Not that Cuomo ran, but if they had pitched Cuomo against HW Bush in 88, I think that election may have looked more similar to 2008 than it turned out looking!)
Bottom line - GOP typically good at picking the guy who can win, Dems bad at both picking the guy who can win, and the ideologically pure guy.
What if we redefine the myth, though? What if we state it as the GOP picks "party favorites" early and that strongly influences who wins? (Note that this is pretty similar to the Coehn, Karol, Noel, Zaller (2008) thesis...I just think the story works for the GOP and not the Dems).
Then, all the elections fall fairly neatly into place, except 2008 (where McCain isn't clearly a "favorite" among the party establishment).
As I often told people who asked me for my projections of the nominees back in 2007, my response was often: "I don't know....we've never had one of these 'elections' on both sides before"
I agree that the "next in line myth" is an oversimplification. All the same I think your look at the history reinforces the notion that the republican primary is more friendly to repeat winners and more hostile to insurgence or surprise candidacies than the democratic primaries. That doesn't guarantee Romney the nomination, but nobody is really saying that anyway.
Be interesting to see how Romney is received in 2012, given that his life experience is remarkably like that of George W. Bush:
- born to wealth and privilege;
- son of a famous Republican politician;
- avoided military service in Viet Nam;
- graduated from Harvard Business School;
- started his own company
- ran unsuccessfully for federal office;
- achieved renown in sports management;
- was elected governor of a state other than the one in which he was born;
- after serving one full term as governor launched his run for the White House.
Granted, Romney was a bit more successful in business than Bush, but the paths they've followed are eerily similar.
The expression that I always heard was that Republicans favored a candidate who had 'ran in a previous campaign as a candidate for President or Vice President', NOT the posited 'next-in-line' expression posited by Mr. Kilgore. The converse of that was that Democrats favored a 'new candidate,' not a 'retread.'
Going back to 1952 (15 elections), this is how that expression (and it's converse) breaks down:
Rs - 12 of 15 campaigns meet the expression (exceptions were Eisenhower in 1952, Goldwater in 1964, and little shrub in 2000)
Ds - 6 of 15 campaigns meet the expression (exceptions were Stevenson in 1952, Kennedy in 1960, McGovern in 1972, Carter in 1976, Mondale in 1984, Dukakis in 1988, Clinton in 2000, Kerry in 2004, and Obama in 2008).
Mike in Maryland
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It's also an experience thing. They've been through the process before so they are better at it don't make the same mistakes twice.
I'd like to see some chart showing won delegates for freshman candidates compared to those that have run before.
In 2008, Huckabee spoiled the nomination for Romney.
The truth is that (just like in the electoral college) the prevalence of winner-takes-all primaries (or winner-takes-practically-all) in the nomination process does a VERY POOR job of selecting between more than two options.
I argued in the first post at my blog (and provide a more detailed analysis in the comments) that if Huckabee hadn't been in the race, and his would-be supporters had only slightly favored Romney, that the delegate totals would have been ENORMOUSLY different.
This is why we only have two major political parties: because plurality is poor selector when there are more than two choices.
By and large I think (and I'm not a Republican, so maybe I'm reading them all wrong) Republicans would have preferred Romney rather than McCain last time. And, baring any scandals, I think they'll actually manage to pick the guy they want this time, since Palin and Huckabee are more likely to be the ones fighting over the same votes next time.
So 538 crew, let's have that analysis: how many primaries, on both sides, have had more than two strong contenders going into Super Tuesday, and is there any correlation between that and losing the subsequent election?
Correction:
I should have stated "Clinton in 1992", not what I posted above.
Sorry about that.
Mike in Maryland
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I think this conception of the myth is overstated. It's not who ran before; it's who the establishment supports. And while it may not be true in absolute terms, I think it's truer for Republicans than for Democrats.
Since 1956, a sitting Republican President or VP has won the nomination every year possible, except in 2008 in which neither man ran, so let's discount it. That's 8/8 times. In the same timeframe, a sitting Dem has done it 4/5 times. So right away, a "sitting" Dem has been defeated, which is amazing in and of itself. Now let's look at the parties when they're not sitting.
For the GOP, the only candidate who could rightly be called an insurgent that won is Goldwater; all the rest had heavy establishment backing except McCain. But one could argue that McCain scared the establishment least. So that's either 1/5 (or 2/5) from outside the establishment.
By comparison, a non-establishment candidate won for the Democrats in 1960, 1976, 1988, 1992, and 2008. In 1968 the establishment Dem won only because the insurgent who had just grabbed momentum got assassinated. Only Mondale and Kerry (2/8) would were establishment guys who won.
The numbers are too small to draw any firm conclusions from, of course, but 1/5 vs. 6/8 is at least a little instructive.
I think the GOP tends in fact to pick the guy they think will win. I think Democrats tend to pick a candidate who reflects there values, and hope that they will win.
What about John Kerry? He wasn't well liked, but many Democrats settled on him because he had a war record.
The Republican party is a smaller and more tightly knit party. Their elections with Winner-Take-All rules tend to favor those who are already well established.
I think this is why we see more Republican establishment candidates which is then interpreted as "The Next in Line".
The Democratic party nomination process is much messier.
Thanks for raising the NIL theory, and not just because, as little Georgie S likes to say, it's never too early.
Thing is, that's true - or stronger at least, with the RNC 'machine' model than with the DNC 'chaotic' model.
But even the NTE theory is like the NIL theory (and less like Darwin's theory) in that it's clearly inadequate to explain all cases, or even identify a reliable trend.
Here's my question: Do you think COMBINING the NIL and NTE theories might come up with something more generally predictive? A Rule of Two Thumbs?
You and others at Nate's Place are way above me in working this sort of thing through, but I would start by positing the NIL/NTE Combined Theory as far more useful in predicting the outcome of the RNC Machine Model than the outcome of the DNC Chaos Model.
I think there's a lot of reasons for this, but that the biggest factor may be that the DNCCM appears to function on its vulnerability to being taken over by emerging movements (in this sense something more in the nature of a female model), whereas the RNCMM operates on identifying preconceived, predetermined, preexisting, even preordained movements and rewarding - with nomination - those who appear best able to work those movements (male model).
Viewed that way, I think it's very arguable that the sole RNC nominee from 1960 - the back limit to my political consciousness - to deviate from the RNCMM was Goldwater, who was thumped in the election. Ford, 41, Dole, 43 first term and McCain all lost but greatly narrower margins, with only McCain's loss standing as something new in the way of a warning about the inherent frailty of the model.
In contrast, the DNCCM is frail by intention, no less for its occasional efforts to mimic its opposing model: Humphrey in 1968 in a far closer loss than many recall; Carter in 1980 in a contest so close one can credibly argue it turned on a discrete image; Gore coming to close to losing to avoid the consequences of a stacked SCOTUS. Even the first two of those can be argued as showing the inherent frailty in the DNCCM with giving voice to dissent (each time from the mouth of a member of the Kennedy dynasty). Further in this vein, Mondale and Kerry were both able to use pre-existing party standing to overcome the model, but in doing so threw off its power.
Kennedy, McGovern, Carter, Dukakis and Obama all seem to have been 'purer' manifestations of the DNCCM, with a far broader ... and ironically predictably so? ... variation on election day.
For both national and statewide constituencies, the strongest currently occupied position is incumbent, followed by other elected officials from the same constituency (extra weight to same branch for state elections), then general election nominee for the office, then nomination loser, and then a variety of lower offices, party and nonpolitical positions. States (and nations) vary in the relative advantages of these positions. They also vary in the discount for being a former, rather than current, occupant of a position. As you point out, presidential elections are usually pretty much the story of the form sheet. Some of this could be viewed as "next in line," as VPs usually defer to Ps, but mostly it is just potential candidate strength that translates into money, coverage, and votes.
The most prominent position available to the Reps in 2012 is VP nominee, Palin. Romney and Huckabee are at a lower notch. Palin is in a position roughly equivalent to Muskie in 1972.
The position can be important in itself and can also represent all the resources and advantages that led to gaining the spot. In the case of appointed incumbents (Gerry Ford as president), it is mostly the power of the office, which is less than the combination of the power of the office and the resources it takes to get elected to it.
However, individuals perform better or worse than what their position implies. For instance, incumbents sometimes lose. It takes a lot to lose renomination (the originally unelected Truman and LBJ lost without serious opposition; the unelected Ford nearly lost to Reagan). When individuals beat their form sheet (Reagan 1976, Mondale in 1980, JFK in 1956), they are good bets the next time around. It is doing better, not running, that is important. Romney did not do well in 2008, while McCain did in 2000. The question is who did you (nearly) beat?
Palin, Romney, and Huckabee all showed weakness last year. McCain was a strong general election candidate but a much weaker candidate for the nomination. If you can't beat McCain for the nomination, who can you beat?
By definition, when there is no heavyweight on the horizon, personal, policy and factional considerations have more influence on the outcome, especially for the nomination. Since WWII, seven senators and six governors (last position) have been nominated; two of the senators and half the governors won (there are half as many governors as senators -- it is a more elite position), none from the incumbent party. In the general election, partisan factors are more important.
So the nomination is wide open. If the economy picks up, some governors will look better than they do now. 2012 is a odd year to be using NIL logic, precisely because there is no obvious next in line.
The Republicans have more winner-take all primaries which favor well-known candidates who get more money and shut out insurgent candidates earlier in the process than Democrats with proportional delegate division which can keep the nomination open longer and allow more late-developing candidacies.
David, I covered Kerry, and other man who can win Dems later on. When Dems pick a man who can win, they are not good at it! actually I think in general the GOP is historically better at picking a candidate! You could almost go as far back as William Jennings Bryan to see that the Dems are less skilled at picking candidates! Maybe Republicans are better at forgetting losers! No one ever mentions Alf Landon or Thomas Dewey! Bob Dole gets a lot less scrutiny than Mondale, there is a fascination with Stevenson and Al Smith. Maybe the GOP is more ruthless about picking years they can't win in and forget about them quickly!
The GOP will nominate someone who has knuckled under to he with the most sterling Bible-thumping, anti-global-warming, anti equal-rights, anti-healthcare reform, anti-immigrant, anti-minority credentials. A caveat though—a Mormon will have a very difficult time overcoming resistance in the GOP to his religion. Core GOP Bible-thumping entails thumping only the real Bible, i.e. not the supplement cooked up in the 19th Century by Joseph Smith.
Personally I think Romney has a pretty good shot at the nomination, but a less than zero chance of ever being president. The problem is that his empty-suit, hairgel-model personality does not resonate well with anyone who bothers to think about the issues beyond how they are portrayed in slick TV political ads.
You really think Bill Schneider is "generally insightful"? I can't stand him. In my opinion, he always manages to make the most conventional wisdom even more banal.
Great Article.
@markymark:
I don't think your contention that Dems vote for the ideologically pure guy is very well supported. In '92 and '88, the nominees--Clinton and Dukakis, respectively--were hardly ideologues. Hell, Duke even said that the difference between him and GHW Bush was not so much about ideology as about competence. (Bush very cleverly threw that back in his face and proceeded to campaign both on ideology and competence, trashing Duke in the process.)
You even cite Carter as an example of the Dems' choosing an ideologue, rather than the one who could win. Well, I remember the 1976 campaign. Not only did Carter not run an ideological campaign (he ran a campaign based on honesty and trust--not issues), but--get this--he won.
In 2004, the ideological candidate was Howard Dean. He essentially didn't make it past Iowa.
Even in the most recent election, many would argue that Edwards was the ideological candidate. I believe that some Dems backed Obama in part because they believed he could win.
Nah, the party that nominated FDR four times does, occasionally, make the pragmatic choice of a dude who can win.
I have never heard that "Next in line" = failed presidential bid.
The next-in-line comes more from who is viewed as the establishment candidate. Take Hillary Clinton v. Obama. Republicans would have taken Clinton (name) over Obama (change).
A sitting VP is the most obvious (Nixon, Bush) NIL candidate. Dole was the Senate Majority Leader, the most prominent Republican (other than newcomer Gingrinch) in 1996. GW Bush was the heir apparent.
The only examples of failed bids making it are Nixon (1968), Reagan (1980) and McCain (2008).
The only example of an outsider winning is Goldwater (1964). That was a disaster.
Meanwhile, Dems often go for the outsider: Kennedy (1960), Carter (1976), Clinton (1992), Obama (2008). They also seem to do better with the outsiders than with insiders like Gore, Mondale or, Humphrey.
Ronald Reagan began his campaign trying to look like the "next in line;" recordings of "Hail to the Chief" greeted him at every appearance.
Is it just me or was a certain president-elect heavily criticize by republitards for doing just that?
If the GOP nominates anyone other than a white male Protestant, i will eat my hat. Romney? Maybe. Palin? HA HA HA HA.
Pragmatus said...
Personally I think Romney has a pretty good shot at the nomination, but a less than zero chance of ever being president. June 25, 2009 9:31 PM
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Zero chance ???
damn...
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Jeff, maybe I should have defined my own terms better. I wasn't talking about how the campaign was run but rather why voters picked their candidate. Carter was picked I would suggest as the guy who could get Southern votes!
in 88, i guess it was harder to see the 'guy who can win' in the primary field. I think there was a feeling Dukakis could win, given a choice between him and the rest of the field. But I would maintain that he was picked as a viable lefty, whatever he may have claimed!
In 2008, it was trickier, in that both the major candidates could fit in either box. I would suggest that actually what happened then was the Dems picked the best candidate, though oddly not the one who was felt to have the best chance to win. (I am discounting Edwards as he was never really a viable candidate after Iowa and New Hampshire)
Neither of my categories are clean polar categories, but my point remains that the first thought in the GOP primaries is winning in November, in the Democratic Primaries, it can have a more ideological debate.
@markymark:
Dukakis may have been picked as a viable lefty, but certainly not as the viable lefty. Al Gore and Bill Bradley were also in the race, and you'd have a hard time arguing that Duke was leftier than those two.
Also, note that when he was nominated, Dukakis was the odds-on favorite to beat GHW Bush. Though charismatically challenged, Duke was reasonably well liked; GHW Bush had some high negatives. The public was kinda tired of scandals such as Iran-Contra. The race was Dukakis' to lose--and he did just that.
In IMHO, two main events won it for GHW Bush:
1. When he beat up on Dan Rather during the interview, he shed the "wimp" image. The American public, who thought Rather a pompous ass, said, "hell, yeah!" (Didn't matter that Bush never did answer the very pertinent question about Iran-Contra; it was theater, and it worked for him.
b. Willie Horton. If the Dems had seen the Willie Horton buzz-saw coming, or if Duke had dealt with it effectively, the result would've been different.
Bottom lion: Dukakis wasn't a bad or unwinnable candidate. He just ran a poor campaign.
wv: thortsol: thortsol I'm gonna say about that.
Surely running a bad campaign is one thing that makes you a bad candidate? But I get your point, and I don't think its entirely wrong, but my bottom line remains that the GOP tends to be more pragmatic when picking its presidential nominations. In the era of the Primary the Democratic Party has tended to pick the guy they want, rather than the nation wants, perhaps.
Rumor has it that Romney is looking to have an affair with a man or a woman just so he can fit in with the modern GOP.
It seems that since 1968, the Republican party always selects a candidate who is nationally well-known 2-4 years in advance of the election. This "rule" covers those whose name recognition derives from being or having been a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate; a leading candidate in a recent nomination; a leading member of Congress; or having family name recognition (and sometimes the candidate falls into more than one of these categories).
Ignoring some of those who meet the criteria but who probably will not run, in 2012 we would be left with: Romney, Huckabee, Palin and Gingrich as possible winners. Whereas all those senators, and particularly governors, who are currently considered as possibles in 2002, such as Pawlenty and Barbour should not stand a chance if the name recognition criteria continues.
Oddly, I think Nate waffled on the NIL myth. His "winners are winners" conclusion is probably the kernel of the myth, but there does seem to be a genuine difference between the parties on this. Dems do opt for the occasional dark horse.
I've heard it said that: "We haven't yet heard of the 2012 GOP candidate." As if there is some public figure that will jump in and catch fire in the primaries. From recent history, this doesn't seem like the case at all. Obama and Clinton were arguably the most obscure candidates to win the nod, but they were better known four years before they ran than the lion's share of the GOP's list. Barbor? Ensign? Huntsman was already a stretch.
Can you really come from nowhere to win the nomination in less than 4 years? I have my doubts.
I'm not a believer that you can or should pick a presidential candidate based on following a pattern of who has been elected in the past. I think it should be based on the current situation and who is available and appropriate to lead. Goes for both parties. Although, right now the GOP is probably having a harder time finding ANYONE to represent them. In three years, will this still be the case? They should start now. Romney seems the most feasible. Some say the GOP is sinking into obsolescence anyway. Not sure if I believe that theory, but I do think they need to address a shift towards a moderate opinion in order to have a case next election.
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I think that is the whole point of this thread (although I'm not going to skim it now): The GOP, being not especially high on government and being high on a sense of entitlement as well as on the rites of inheritance and viewing one stooge as useful (useless) as the next, has a tendency to opt for the NIL. I had always thought it was due to a party-specific lack of imagination. But, thank to this thread, I see more is involved!
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