Yesterday's long-awaited Supreme Court decision in Ricci v. DeStefano is unsurprisingly being injected immediately by conservatives into their case for rejecting the confirmation of Sonia Sotomayor to replace David Souter on the Court. The obvious reason is that the Court, by a 5-4 margin, reversed a Second Circuit decision in the same case in which Sotomayor participated.
But anti-Sotomayor forces are also avidly using the decision to heighten the racial overtones of the confirmation fight. The idea is to link her "repudiation" by the Supremes to claims that she is race-and-ethnicity obsessed, while exploiting long-simmering public resentment against some forms of affirmative action, particularly in the kind of employment cases at issue in Ricci. In other words, they hope Ricci can blow the confirmation fight wide open.
Is there any basis for that hope in public opinion? Not as much as Sotomayor and Obama critics seem to think.
Exhibit A in the case for Ricci being a huge problem for Sotomayor is a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released just yesterday that recited the basic facts of the Ricci case and asked respondents to play judge:In a case currently before the Supreme Court, a city decided to use a test to determine which firefighters should receive promotions. No black firefighters scored high enough on the test to earn a promotion, so the city decided not to offer promotions to the white firefighters who got the highest scores on the test. Which of the following statements comes closest to your view:
65% Those white firefighters were victims of discrimination and should get the promotions based on the test results
31% Because no black firefighters got high scores, the city should use a new test to make sure that blacks were not victims of discrimination
This question, of course, does not get into the details of the statutory and constitutional issues being tested in Ricci, much less the role of Sotomayor's Second Circuit Court of Appeals, which was not, unlike the Supreme Court, in a position to make new interpretations of law. This is a critical point already being raised by Sotomayor's supporters, most notably Linda Greenhouse in today's New York Times. Even Justice Kennedy's majority opinion in Ricci steered clear of any argument that Sotomayor's court misinterpreted the law as it stood prior to yesterday.
While Americans should not be expected to pay attention to such institutional nuances, this issue of precedents does complicate the other prong of the anti-Sotomayor argument: that she is a "judicial activist" who wants to make "policy" from the bench.
More generally, the question in assessing the impact of Ricci on the confirmation fight is whether public hostility to affirmative action is on the upswing, perhaps (as some conservatives have been arguing for a while) because President Obama's own election shows it's no longer necessary.
The most immediate evidence is a recent NBC/Wall Street Journal survey which posed a question that's been asked since 1991: Now let me read you two brief statements on affirmative action programs, and ask which one comes closer to your own point of view. Statement A: Affirmative action programs are still needed to counteract the effects of discrimination against minorities, and are a good idea as long as there are no rigid quotas. OR, Statement B: Affirmative action programs have gone too far in favoring minorities, and should be ended because they unfairly discriminate against whites.
Respondents preferred Statement A to Statement B by a 63%-28% margin, a higher level of support for affirmative action than in January 2003 (59%), March 2000 (54%), September 1995 (50%) or March 1991 (61%).
Wording on such polls is important, of course, and the qualifier in Statement A above ruling out "rigid quotas" is important. As recent polling from Quinnipiac shows, questions on affirmative action that do not include a rejection of "rigid quotas" and that also introduce the idea of "preferences" produce a different reaction:Do you think affirmative action programs that give preferences to blacks and other minorities in hiring, promotions and college admissions should be continued, or do you think these affirmative action programs should be abolished?
This formulation elicited 55% support for abolishing such programs, and 36% for continuing them.
There's nothing new about that, and nothing new about the wildly varying findings on affirmative action depending on the precise wording. (The NAACP site has a useful compendium of examples of how the wording of poll questions on affirmative action affects the outcome.)
This is why smart politicians have generally taken a position on affirmative action that endorses the concept while avoiding extreme applications and tough cases. It's no accident that a national debate on the subject in the 1990s that was threatening to create a major conservative wedge issue was tamped down significantly by President Bill Clinton's famous "mend it, don't end it" speech of 1995. Sure enough, a TIME/CNN poll conducted shortly after Clinton's speech found 65% of Americans saying affirmative action programs should be "mended," and just 24% saying they should be "ended."
Barack Obama has worked hard to occupy that same safe territory on affirmative action. He's gone out of his way to suggest that "preferences" should no longer be granted automatically on the basis of race, but he's also strongly opposed state ballot initiatives that would outlaw affirmative action measures entirely. There's no particular reason to believe that doesn't remain the political "sweet spot" on the subject.
The claim that Obama's own election dooms affirmative action isn't well supported in public opinion. The same Quinnipiac survey that's being cited as showing that Americans don't like racial preferences also showed that 80% denied Obama's election made any difference to their views on affirmative action, and of the 18% saying it did, nearly half (8%) said it made it more likely that they'd support affirmative action.
The bottom line is that Ricci shouldn't be a big factor in the Sotomayor confirmation fight so long as she insists that she was applying well-established precedents in the interpretation of a statute enacted by Congress--i.e., she was far from exerting any sort of "judicial activism" or racial-ethnic point of view, and was just doing her job. President Obama can and should defend her on this point, and both should benefit from his superior positioning on the issue, and the reluctance (political if not ethical) of at least some potential Sotomayor critics to directly attack the first African-American president and the first Latina Justice on baldly racial grounds.
6.30.2009
Obama, Sotomayor and Affirmative Action
by Ed Kilgore @ 5:09 PM
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Nice analysis and summary, Ed.
No way is Sotomayor's nomination going down.
Second!
-Brandon
The argument is all the more ridiculous because four of the nine justices dissented, including the one Sotomayor is going to replace! But I guess because they are white (and already on the court), it's not about race for them.
If federal judges always had to agree with the majority of the Supreme Court in order to get elevated to it, the judicial system would reach an impasse very quickly.
graduallygreener's point is the obvious one -- that the judge that she is replacing decided the same way that she did, so there's nothing to this story.
so i'm annoyed that mainstream media (e.g., npr, networks aside from fox, etc.) are not making that point but are instead saying "the SC reversed her, the SC reversed her!!"
I haven't seen any statistical analysis of the test in question. Can Nate tell us how likely or unlikely it is that the test was biased?
A couple of points, one of which was made already succinctly by graduallygreener.
♦ It cannot be argued that Sotomayor’s judicial philosophy is out of step with the Supreme Court if four of its nine members agreed with her position on Ricci v DeStefano.
♦ For an Appeals Court judge to tailor his/her opinions based on what he/she thinks the Supreme Court will subsequently do would be to render the appeals process ridiculous.
When are the hearings supposed to start?
I don’t think Sotomayor has anything to worry about. If the GOP picks a fight over her, they will do themselves untold damage.
From what I read the conservative court added new tests.
That is the very definition of judicial activism.
I agree with the right to the extent that we need to go back to a merit based system.
The problem is that to the far right, merit is white and sporting a penis.
That is why these laws will be required but these types of laws will always be flawed. To get rid of these laws is to take progress back 100 years.
I know someone who helped write the opinion in the New Haven case - the story is larger than what it seems, of course.
But regardless, my question is - are a bunch of white men really going to try to call a Hispanic woman racist at the national level? That seems like a really really really bad strategy for republicans who are already losing support from everyone apart from the religious right.
Andrew,
I'm quite sure that some reporting on NPR Radio did make the Sonia-replaces-Souter point. Nor did I hear them jumping on the "this rebukes Sotomayor" bandwagon, either.
Pragmatus,
The confirmation hearings will begin July 13.
Pulling a number out of my pinque liddle butte, I predict that she'll be confirmed 70-28, with 12 Republicans (the Mainiac girls, Lugar, Hatch [!], and a few players to be named later), and all the Dems except for the ailing Kennedy and Byrd (of course including Senator Al from Minnesota!!!).
I don’t think Sotomayor has anything to worry about. If the GOP picks a fight over her, they will do themselves untold damage.
What untold damage? I don't understand why liberals keep asserting that as if its some sort of slam dunk fact. How much worse are Republicans going to do among minorities? The black vote is never going the GOP's way with a black president and it seems that roughly 1/3 of the Hispanic vote agrees with the Republicans on social issues. After the argument over "sanctuary cities" and "amnesty" and the like - it's hard to see how the GOP does any worse among Hispanics than it did last Fall.
It seems to me that fighting Sotomayer and branding her as racist could only *help* the GOP among wavering whites that voted for Bush in 2004 on security concerns *AND* also voted for Obama in 2008 on economic issues. These voters wanted to give Obama a chance and are becoming increasingly skeptical that he is actually looking out for their interests (This new carbon tax is exhibit A). Poll after poll shows that despite personally liking Obama, more and more are disapproving of his policies on various issues. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that those people are not ultraliberal blacks that came out in droves to vote for the first time last year for Obama.
You liberals keep insisting that fighting the nomination is bad for the GOP. I think that it's just the opposite.
"It seems to me that fighting Sotomayer and branding her as racist could only *help* the GOP among wavering whites...."
Do you people ever LISTEN to yourselves, Adam? You sit there and blithely talk about "branding her a racist" so you can score points with "wavering whites"?
My God, don't you realize you just branded YOURSELF a racist by proposing such a machiavellian scheme? What's next? Are you going to start calling black people "niggers" like Dr. Who just did in another thread?
Have you people no sense of morality whatsovever?
Sorry. Silly me. I forgot who I was talking to. Of COURSE you have a sense of morality! How else could you know so unerringly what to trash as unimportant on your way to ultimate power?
Adam…
First, I wouldn’t call myself a liberal, but since that’s the standard attack mode of the GOP—demonize the opponent right off with key characterizations—if you feel comfortable framing your arguments based on talking points, no amount of argument is going to sway you.
The GOP doesn’t see this, but all their fight-picking does is drive more and more moderates away from them. That was my point. Sure, if they raise dust over Sotomayor, they’ll get all the old white men fired up—but they’re already Republicans. The GOP runs the risk of their attacks seeming like the yapping of a quarrelsome little poodle. What young person, about to vote for the first time, is going to be attracted to that?
Easy there killer. It seems to me that if Republicans actually believe she is a racist then they ought to say so.
After all, anytime anyone says anything even slightly off-kilter to your political and racial synapses you don't seem to hold back. This is an obvious illustration. So why should the GOP? And spare me the holier-than-thou routine. Countless Democrats on this very blog have gleefully forecasted an unending liberal majority by painting any opposition to the woman as racist. Is that delight any worse than my engaging in a cost-benefit analysis of going nuclear on the nominee? Certainly not.
Get grip, man.
Anyway the point remains. I don't see how this is the slam-dunk electoral loss for the GOP that the left proclaims it will be.
Sure, if they raise dust over Sotomayor, they’ll get all the old white men fired up—but they’re already Republicans
First, I wasn't aware that I demonized anyone. Okay - you're not a liberal.
But old white men that were fired up and Republican anyway were enough to win the election in 2004. 75 percent of the electorate is still white. I strongly suspect that some of those whites lost to Obama can be flipped back - and a lot more easily than wooing blacks or Hispanics into the GOP.
If the way to win is to energize your core (Hey - it worked for Rove) then this could be a key element in energizing those peole with a history of voting Republican.
Adam…
You need to take a look at some demographics if you think that all the GOP has to do is energize their core.
As of May 2009, according to Gallup 36% of Americans identify themselves as Democrats, 37% as Independents (moi aussi) and 27% as Republicans.
I’m afraid you can’t beat 27% into any kind of advantage, let alone victory. The GOP however is blithely indifferent to this reality, and keeps on plugging at the themes you are outlining.
Even without knowing who is running, I’ll bet every last white guy over 60 in this country will vote Republican in 2010. It’s hard to say no when a party spends all its time courting and flattering you.
But party ID means diddly squat. Those party ID numbers were even more skewed to the Democrats in 1980. In 2004, the self identification on Election Day was evenly split. The numbers bounce around constantly and it's not at all surprising that they would be not so hot for the GOP after an election loss.
I don't buy for a minute that the narrative that Obama seems to be looking out for minorities at the expense of white people (by virtue of his nominees to SCOTUS) who play by the rules and get the shaft has no possibilty of taking hold. This is especially true as uneployment numbers rise into the double digits.
All the Republicans have to do is gripe and pick and pick. Obama is taking on so much with this climate bill and health care and his court nominees that he is going to piss off some of his supporters. It's just simple arithmetic.
@Pragmatus -- you wrote: "Even without knowing who is running, I’ll bet every last white guy over 60 in this country will vote Republican in 2010. It’s hard to say no when a party spends all its time courting and flattering you."
While I am usually in close agreement with you, on the quoted statement you are definitely exaggerating. Assuming I live another year, this is one white guy over 60 who will be voting Dem (and is a lifelong Democrat).
And I know lots of people like me, including my 94-year old dad, who's never voted Republican in his life, since he first voted in 1936.
Within that 37 percent of Independents there is a disproportionate number that "lean to Republicans" as opposed to "lean to Democrats".
The majority of that 37 percent is not malleable and not truly "Independent" in the sense that they will swing from party to party. Only about 15 percent of the electorate is movable. The rest is part of the liberal and conservative cores.
Fewer people self ID as "Republican" even though more of them vote that way.
Adam…
Independents have never before made up a plurality of the electorate. It is obvious to everyone but the RNC that in order to win elections they’re going to have to start fishing in that pool. You are arguing for the GOP to “gripe and pick and pick”. You certainly have your finger on the pulse of your party, but I don’t see how you will win any converts that way.
Juris…
Yes, that was a pretty bad assessment. I knew it as soon as I posted it. I too will be 60 in 2010.
OK—restatement in order. “I’ll bet 95 out of every 100 white guys over 60 will vote Republican in 2010.”
Still a possibility that I continue to exaggerate—a little.
@Pragmatus,
Sure. But it doesn't matter whether they call themselves "Independents" or "Red Apple Eaters" or "Space Aliens Unity" - there is a certain fixed number that will almost always vote for the Republican and a certain and lesser fixed number that will vote for the Democrat.
The pool itself is quite small. So - griping and picking and picking WORKS. It reminds voters that were PREVIOUSLY INCLINED to vote for one party why they voted for that party in the first place.
Just as liberals wandered in the wilderness for 6 years after the 2000 election, conservatives will do the same now. Conservatives can be registered as Republican or as Independent, or even in a few cases, as a Democrat.
Resentment breeds activism. There can be no doubt about that. Resentment over George Bush and his policies led to the liberal blowouts of recent years. As Obama actually governs and is unable to appease every constituency, factions will become disillusioned. At the same time, conservatives won't have any gripes with leadership - because they have no power. Sotomayer can add to the resentment and can add to political activism on the right.
Juris…
And cheers to your Dad! My Mom is 93, but can no longer vote. 94 and still alert and functioning is no small achievement.
Adam…
Now just step back for a moment and read what you said—
“So - griping and picking and picking WORKS.”
If that is a policy statement for the GOP, don’t you think it’s pretty sad?
If that is a policy statement for the GOP, don’t you think it’s pretty sad?
Of course NOT. That's what the opposition does!
Didn't the Democrats pick and pick and pick against anything and everything George Bush did?
Yes. Absolutely. And they had real disagreements with Bush.
Why should it be any different for the GOP now?
Adam…
Let’s go back to the beginning of this discussion. You took issue with this statement of mine—
“I don’t think Sotomayor has anything to worry about. If the GOP picks a fight over her, they will do themselves untold damage.”
You think picking a fight over Sotomayor will benefit the GOP. I think it would be disastrous for them.
I think all we can say is that we disagree.
@Pragmatus,
Fair enough. We can disagree.
I am not saying that the strategy is without risks - but at this point, without the House, facing a filibuster-proof majority in the senate, and with a liberal Democrat as POTUS - the GOP has little to lose.
Let's face facts. I'll admit that Sonia Sotomayor is an experienced and qualified jurist, but she supports affirmative action, is pro-choice, is a loose constructionist, and is Barack Obama's Supreme Court nominee. If the Republicans don't offer at least some opposition to her, what the hell is the point in even having a Republican party?
The Republicans will not win votes by simply rolling over and accepting every piece of the Obama agenda. The Sotomayor nomination offers Senate Republicans an excellent opportunity to engage the country in a dialogue about Constitutional theory and pin Obama down to positions on several issues.
On a personal note, I think the entire concept of race is outdated and should be done away with. There is no difference whatsoever between a white, Hispanic, black or Asian person; these categories are arbitrary and frequently inaccurate. I'm the first person to condemn racism from the right, but slavery ended 150 years ago. This generation of minorities can hardly be called victims. It's time for us, as a nation, to move on. The best way to end racial discrimination is to not discriminate based on race.
What's the change we really need? Find plenty of examples at: http://obamaprayers.blogspot.com
@Adam:
Depending on the nature of Republican opposition to Sotomayor, the Republicans could woo back some whites who voted for Obama, while losing the chance to flip back Hispanics who voted for Bush in 2004. This could be key in close states like Indiana, North Carolina, Missouri and possibly Ohio. It could have mixed results in Florida and Arizona.
Robin Hanson discusses Obama's election reducing support for abortion, gun control and other such things here:
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/obamas-opportunity-cost.html
Via the Inductivist, a Pew survey on support for affirmative action:
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1240/sotomayor-supreme-court-affirmative-action-minority-preferences
I've noted at Hopefully Anonmous' that affirmative action is an area I find hard to reconcile with my rather cynical view of politics. I recall Samuel Huntington's discussion of how a number of statewide referenda prohibiting it passed despite opposition from both political parties, universities and businesses. As he quoted one opponent "Nobody was for it except the people". But what benefit do those supporters get? The politicians publicly associate themselves with a policy unpopular with voters while businesses & universities that are normally quite competitive in grabbing the highest-scorers subject themselves to a sort of altruistic handicapping.
@ Scott who said "I'm the first person to condemn racism from the right, but slavery ended 150 years ago. This generation of minorities can hardly be called victims. It's time for us, as a nation, to move on. The best way to end racial discrimination is to not discriminate based on race."
True, slavery ended over a century ago, but legalized blatant discrimination ended within some (many?) posters lifetimes. Furthermore, legalization (or not) does not necessarily change attitudes, especially of those who are past young adulthood (when attitudes are most malleable). Additionally, early socialization experiences play a large role in the development of racial attitudes. Taking all of this into account the ERA is still recent enough to NOT eradicate blatant racial animosity.
Of course, I'm not implying that attitudes have not changed. Rather attitudes have changed from blatant animosity to more modern, subtle, and carefully worded forms of racism. Further, implicit/unconscious racial bias impacts people who are or are not consciously racist (i.e. most everyone).
These are all just attitudes and don't speak to the disadvantage in the quoted passage. However recent "resume studies" have demonstrated that race (conscious and unconscious) matters in hiring decisions and interracial interactions. Other analyses suggest that home prices (one key piece of developing and maintaining wealth) in Black neighborhoods are worth less than home prices in White neighborhoods after controlling for all other relevant factors.
So, while slavery and legalized discrimination are over (for the most part) the impact of discrimination and its effect on disadvantaging minorities is still present.
Overall, however, I am sympathetic to your point. What fun would politics be without an opposition?
ugh. I am the ??? above.
This is now my second comment on this sight...ever. Hello all.
Leaving aside the politics. On the substance, Sotomayor certainly did not get 4 of the justices agreeing with her. As has been widely noted, they all disgreed with the test she used, and agreed that the case would "normally" be sent back for reconsideration (i.e., that S. was wrong to rule as she had). What people are missing is that the majority, very unusually, did not send back the case, but actually ruled for the plantiffs. Had they just sent the case back, implying it was poorly decided, they would probably have picked up more votes.
I'm curious what people thought of the actual case. To me her decision was awful, and the case of the plantiffs airtight.
Just poking in to (once again) rebut the stupidly stupid argument that liberals are somehow "loose constructionists" while conservatives supposedly strictly adhere to the constitution. Fact is, both sides are activists for their causes. Exhibit A: Scalia, posterboy for the supposed "strict constructionist" side of things, who has repeatedly voted his politics rather than the exact wording of the constitution. The problem is that the liberals lost the branding war, not that they actually act any differently than their conservative peers.
Just poking in to (once again) rebut the stupidly stupid argument that liberals are somehow "loose constructionists" while conservatives supposedly strictly adhere to the constitution. Fact is, both sides are activists for their causes. Exhibit A: Scalia, posterboy for the supposed "strict constructionist" side of things, who has repeatedly voted his politics rather than the exact wording of the constitution. The problem is that the liberals lost the branding war, not that they actually act any differently than their conservative peers.
I'll give you that one. Scalia, Roberts and Alito are more socially conservative, but normally rule against expanding the role of the federal government. Clarence Thomas is probably the closest person on the court to a true libertarian.
That being said, part of the answer to this question lies in what rights you believe are granted by the Constitution. For instance, I do not believe there is a constitutional right to abortion; abortion actually infringes upon the rights of the unborn. If you are pro-choice, you believe banning abortion infringes upon the rights of the mother. Both parties to this conflict can honestly call the other a "loose constructionist."
This is exactly why the Sotomayor nomination is a good opportunity for Republicans to take a stand on an issue a lot of people will agree with (and that many aren't educated about). The Republicans can use the Sotomayor hearings to really grill her about her constitutional knowledge and ideas.
It's late, I'm rambling.
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What happened to Sean?
That's exactly what irritates me - they're trying to have it both ways. The irony is that she's the exact opposite of a "judicial activist," as if that isn't part of the job description. She was applying the letter of the law and following a well-established precedent. If anything, the conservatives on SCOTUS were being "judicial activists."
The Republicans are deliberately twisting reality to fit their political agenda and it's should be so obvious that it's disgusting.
@ Pragmatus
I’ll bet 95 out of every 100 white guys over 60 will vote Republican in 2010.
Not as dumb as your original statement but still dumb. (I'm old enough to be your father.} You really surprise me here.
And you deny being a liberal? Stand up and be counted! (I'm an ultra-liberal and proud of it.) You disappoint me here.
July 1, 2009 2:14 AM
If Sotomayers confirmation is in danger because she disagreed with 5 of the 9 justices, would it not follow that Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas should be IMPEACHED for being overruled 8-1 last week in the strip search case?
If Sotomayers confirmation is in danger because she disagreed with 5 of the 9 justices, would it not follow that Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas should be IMPEACHED for being overruled 8-1 last week in the strip search case?
And THIS is why we can't have nice things. Are black men not allowed to be conservative, lest they be labeled "Uncle Toms?" This type of attitude is sickeningly racist. Leftists are always willing to call out racists on the right (as they should), but it's just as disgusting to insult black people who happen to vote differently from most of their peers.
Do you remember when Thomas compared his confirmation hearing to a "high-tech lynching" of "uppity blacks?" He was talking about you.
This was the SECONd time in the last month that Thomas was on the losing end of an 8-1 Scotus decision.
He's the PeteKent of the Supreme Court!
Thomas is black?
According to Nina Totenberg of NPR, this could be, in effect, a very limited victory for the anti-affirmative action peddlers. (I would say maybe even a Pyrrhic victory.)
See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#31639480 for Nina's explanation. Her discussion begins at about 2:30, but at about 4:20 is the beginning of her explanation of the limited effect of the ruling.
Mike in Maryland
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Opus said
'Thomas is black?'
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Only by virtue of his skin pigmentation. In all other respects, not so much. [Disclaimer- I am not saying that there is a 'black way' to behave before any of the right wingnuts jump on that little side joke!]
The point has been made already that the court was split on this judgement. So its going to be tough to make a 'shes not fit for the court because of her decision' argument. But also remember that her decision was bound by judicial precedent, something that SCOTUS could ignore. I think making a huge deal of this case in hearings is not a good move for the GOP.
I am almost left wondering if SCOTUS made the Ricci judgement to save Sotomayor and to allow her to make a reasoned explanation of her thinking on the case in her hearings, which she may have struggled to do if the case was still pending.
Barry said:
would it not follow that Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas.
This is a good example of how the left has tried to destroy with vile and hatred every conservative minority or woman on the right in the past 20 years.
Since Republicans started the civil rights movement in the '60's and put Robert Byrd and the KKK out of business, the left has done everything in it's power to keep minorities and women out of the Republican party.
It always cracks me up to hear liberals calling conservatives racists.
This pseudo debate over how strictly Sotomayor follows the Constitution ignores a bigger point - issues only get to the Supreme Court when there is a genuine dispute among learned authorities over what the heck the Constitution means. Shockingly enough, given these splits of view, the Supreme Court is rarely united in its view of how an issue should be resolved.
Also, there is no such thing as a truly "strict" constructionist or one who adheres to precedent without "activism". The Federalist Papers themselves admit that the Constitution was open to interpretation, just like any law, and that the judiciary would have to apply it in the context of disputes that arose over its meaning. Marbury v Madison is the most activist case of all time (allowing the Court to not just interpret the law but strike down what it finds are unconstitional acts) but no member of the current Court would give up that power. While some like to think that the power of review and interpretation only applies until there's a ruling on the issue at some time, no member of the current Court blindly assumes precedent is always binding, either. That's why Roe v. Wade is still analyzed in the context of various challenges, 30+ years after the ruling.
Let's take the guy people hold up as "strict" as an example. Scalia gets to call himself a "textualist" because he tends to use scraps of text as the starting point for his arguments. However, he often shears these out of context, then adds on layers of contstruction that aren't obvious from the text, to arrive at a conclusion that suits his ends. In doing so, he has shown himself more than willing to engage in "activism" in the sense of overturning pretty clear Congressional intent and established precedent, especially in the areas of personal liberties and government power. It is an approach that has a very simple appeal to people who want to think the world truly is black and white, all evidence of gray to the contrary notwithstanding. But its no more "strict" or less doctrainaire than anyone else on the court - it can be twisted in many ways. Indeed, on many issues his constructions buck hundreds of years of precedent and mainstream interpretations of the same text, leaving him to write incindiary dissents.
This approach can be just as or more damaging than anything that can be laid at the feet of so-called "activism". It can be blamed, in part, for the nightmare of the post September 11, 2001 actions of Bush in domestic spying and prisoner abuse. For example, Scalia's a champion of the "unitary executive" theory, which holds that anything arguably "executive" has to be exercised by the President with zero interference or further instruction by Congress. This is derived from a line in Article II, all the ways executive power is hedged and contained in the Constitution and under intervening experience notwithstanding. This theory, coupled with the allegedly expansive powers of the commander in chief, is what led John Yoo (a Clarence Thomas/Scalia protege) to contend the 4th Amendment, among others, got thrown out the window on September 11 and that nothing could really stop us from doing whatever we wanted to people in Gitmo.
Ironically, the President who best fits this view of a unitary executive is probably Andrew Jackson, who generally thought no other branch could control his conduct (such as eliminating the Bank of the United States and removal of Native Americans to Oklahoma via the Trail of Tears). So the most "conservative" justice is really an adherent of the founder of the populist Democratic party.
Mike in Maryland,
Do you have a summary of Nina Totenberg's analysis? or a transcript? I'd appreciate being able to read it.
Thx
Grog "This is a good example of how the left has tried to destroy with vile and hatred every conservative minority or woman on the right in the past 20 years. "
As a former very active CONSERVATIVE I can tell you that Clarence Thomas is NOT a conservative, he is a rightwing reactioary. He has abandoned his experience in life, he has abandoned, his fellow blacks, he has abandoned all the people that come to seek Constitutional protection from the US Constitution. He is part and parcel of the white Protestant establishment. If the right had its way, black people would still be waiting for voting rights and still entrenched in the back of the bus. Your point about Byrd et al ignores the historical fact that the rascist Democrats became rascist Republicans in the Dixiecrat break.
I confess that as a young Goldwater supporter I was against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, intellectually, but my emotions told me it was the right thing to do. As a middle class white who harbored no ill against blacks, I was happy to let states rights and conservative principles override what was a law that must be done. History has proven the value, why doesn't the right ever get it??? If ANYONE should get it is it Clarence TOM!
He has abandoned his experience in life, he has abandoned, his fellow blacks, he has abandoned all the people that come to seek Constitutional protection from the US Constitution. He is part and parcel of the white Protestant establishment.
What the hell is the white protestant establishment? In case you've been asleep for the last several months, we have a black President now. Clarence Thomas himself is a very devout Catholic.
The white protestant establishment is the minority rightwingnut religious lobby. Oh, I must be wrong....it is impossible for a black catholic to represent the white protestant minority.....like Roy Cohen was not gay, or that there were no Jewish Nazis....c'mon, these are concepts not identities....people can embrace completely antithetical concepts.
Thats what makes them so dangerous.....yes we have a black president....the nation was so DESPERATE for change that even rascists voted for Obama. I remember pollers being told by people they called that they were voting for "the nigger"....how desperate they must have been to vote against their prejudice....but they are still rascists...
Scalia has explicitly denied being a strict constructionist. It is Thomas who really seems to take textualism seriously and lets it take him places that as a matter of policy he would prefer not to go.
mclever said...
Mike in Maryland,
Do you have a summary of Nina Totenberg's analysis? or a transcript? I'd appreciate being able to read it.
Thx
I don't do transcripts on a usual basis, and I couldn't find one for this segment (although, since I'm not your research monkey, I didn't look very hard).
The link I put in the post goes directly to the video. Any browser from the last 5 years (or more) will allow you to view the video.
Again, that link is:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#31639480
Mike in Maryland
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What untold damage? I don't understand why liberals keep asserting that as if its some sort of slam dunk fact.
Well, they have already damaged themselves severely with a large and quickly growing constituency: Hispanics.
Not because they oppose her nomination, but because they have been extremely racist in the way they going about it.
If they have rational and intellectual arguments against it, that would be one, but all they are doing is spewing thinly-veiled racism in their "arguments".
If she were incompetent like Harriet Miers they would have an easier and safer time of shooting down the nomination.
She is not so all they have is racism and fear to use, and that will cost them dearly.
If support for affirmative action is so popular, why have most of Ward Connerly's efforts to eliminate it been so popular even in blue states? Washington Initiative 200, Michigan Propsal 2, etc.? These polls with pro/con arguments tend to change people's responses.
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