A most strange storyline has emerged with regard to the provincial vote totals for the Iranian election. Around 1600 GMT Sunday, the ministry of Interior released the official vote totals by province. As others have mentioned, by law candidates have three days following voting to contest the result, before the final totals are approved by the Supreme Leader. As such, it is notable that both the aggregate totals and provincial totals were certified, approved and released before the three day deadline.
Another curious turn of events was that somewhere between 1600 and 2000 GMT, the provincial vote totals mysteriously disappeared from the English language (and all other languages other than Persian) versions of www.presstv.ir and other Iranian news outlets, where the interior ministry had distributed the results. As such, we are in debt to Daniel Berman and his colleagues for their translation of the official provincial numbers.
Although widespread allegations of fraud, manipulation, intimidation and other all too common elections tactics have been be common, statistically detecting fraud or manipulation is a challenge. For example, while mathematicians have been evaluating vote returns for irregularities in normal situational random number distribution , determining what the "correct" results should be is very difficult.
However, given the absolutely bizarre figures that have been given for several provinces, given qualitative knowledge - for example, that Mahdi Karroubi earned almost negligible vote totals in his native Lorestan and neighboring Khuzestan, which he won in 2005 with 55.5% and 36.7% respectively - there is room for a much closer look.
Two things are of particular interest to us, the first being whether it is plausible for Pres. Ahmadinejad to have received as high of a total as the results indicate (and the sub-question of whether it was plausible for him to have received an outright majority in the first round). The second question is whether the vote totals for his rivals are reasonable, given the fact that they have run for elected office before. Iranian politics, as in many countries, is dominated by a relatively small number of individuals who in many cases have held several of the key posts in government since 1979. Those with strong connections to founding Supreme Leader Khomeni and his associates have fared particularly well. Evaluting their support by province in previous election cycles, particularly in a Presidential race, is one way to provide some evidence for or against them.
First, we will have a look at the trend-related numbers for Iran's recent Presidential history to see if Friday's totals make intuitive sense, given the overall trend towards higher turnout, and decreasing first round victor percentages.
As discussed last week, higher turnouts and lower winning percentages have been the trend. With reported turnout through the roof (between 80 and 85 %), the 2009 elections were expected to be quite competitive.
This second chart integrates the first round data from 2005, which resulted in the first-ever run-off vote in the Islamic republic. A regression using just first round data projects that in 2009, the first round winner would pick up just 31.5% of the vote, quite a low figure - but with two nationally competitive candidates, and two regionally competitive candidates, certainly not impossible. Using just the overall victor's winning percentage, a 2009 projected figure of 58.7% comes out - higher than any polling would have suggested, but certainly within a range of normal. We would have expected Ahmadinejad's result from Friday, informed by the polling, historical trends and a bit of bet-hedging, to be between 40% and 55%.
These figures would suggest that Ahmadinejad's reported 65% of the national vote is at minimum outside of the trend, and more likely, an exaggerated figure. Whether they overstate the will of the Iranian public by 3-5 points or say, 20-30 points, is up for interpretation.
Second, with regard to the challengers, the focus on Mousavi's vote totals has dominated most of the discussion, for example, his unexpectedly soft support coming from the northern provinces of East and West Azerbaijan, including his home city of Tabriz. It is likely more useful in a context of numbers-checking to instead compare the Ahmandinejad totals to those of someone he has run against before. Medhi Karroubi, over whom Ahmadinejad advanced to the 2005 runoff round by just 700,000 votes, was surrounded by controversy in that election as well, arguing that Ahamdinejad's totals had been inflated by conservative hardliners. His openly accusatory allegations to the Supreme Leader resulted in his resignation from several top political posts. Karroubi was the leading reform candidate of the 2005 election cycle, in close competition with one other reform candidate, one centrist, and two conservatives, including Ahmadinejad. He won in 11 of Iran's 30 provinces, the most of any candidate that year, and was within 2 points of advancing to the run-off. It was a strong showing, which encouraged him and his backers to challenge Ahmadinejad again this year.
Polling put his candidacy at around 7-10% of the national vote this time around, with the strong incumbent expected to pull more in the first round than he did in 2005 (19.1%). Karroubi's numbers in his provinces of strength were better, with polling regularly put him at around 20-25% in his home region, with particular strength in the provinces of Lorestan, Ilam, and Khuzestan. This is where the provinicial results get fishy:Not only did Ahmadinejad beat Karroubi in his base of support, he crushed him beyond all recognition. Karroubi's share of the vote in Lorestan was cleaved by a factor of ten, and in only two other of the provinces did he break above 1%. Even with a consolidation of conservative support, and possible defection of Karroubi supporters to Mousavi (who was likely perceived as the candidate more likely to win) this large of shift is hard to imagine.
Again, as we have mentioned on several occasions, the numbers still do not prove any wrongdoing, as large scale changes in public opinion do happen regularly around the world. However, given the polling data in the run-up to the balloting, and the historical trend away from electoral domination in the first round by one candidate, this very fishy regional data tends to strongly support that which the canceled Mousavi protest was meant to express.
Update: Mousavi protest goes ahead.
Also: Summary argument printed in the Independent (UK)
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Renard Sexton is FiveThirtyEight's international columnist and is based in Geneva, Switzerland. He can be contacted at sexton538@gmail.com
6.15.2009
Iran Does Have Some Fishy Numbers
by Renard Sexton @ 10:15 AM...see also elections, international, iran
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Very nice post. Points out all the problems I had with Nate;s prior analysis. I still think we are depnding too much on the prior election numbers (e.g. 2005) also not being manipulated.
Remember, the moderates won in the 90's, and then suddenly Iran supposedly started going more hardline as it's population became younger...not very normal!
re: Fred:
2005 was an entirely different situation, though, because many moderates stayed home. There was a large feeling of "well, my vote won't count anyway, because the Council won't let my candidate run, so I won't vote". Even if 2005 was fraudulent, the numbers seem to square with the opinions of those who actually voted.
This makes me believe 2005 numbers are most likely real. If the population gets younger but they don't vote, the actual voters get older and more hardline.
I think this deserves analysis and comment. Not from me, though.
http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/TFT%20Iran%20Survey%20Report%200609.pdf
I'm sorry if this is ever so slightly off topic, but I can't think of a better forum to get this started. I am disgusted with the US TV coverage of the Green Revolution. History is unfolding before our eyes, and CNN, Fox, and NBC have almost decided to black it out completely.
We have to use the tools available to us in the new media cloud to pressure the MSM to cover this story. I am emailing a copy of "Blogger Interrupted's" post to every MSM media web site and web blog I know. Only public pressure can force them to do their job.
Total, epic, media FAIL on Iran
link: http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2009/06/total-epic-media-fail-on-iran
Mon, Jun 15, 2009
Foreign Policy, Media
Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember media coverage of the collapse of the Soviet Union, Tianenmen Square, both of which I observed from the US, and the fall of the Berlin Wall, which I watched live on the BBC while living in London. At the time, media were unencumbered by competition from the internet, tied into the Cold War narrative, and pushing the envelope of what was possible with cable news.
Editors certainly recognized what they were seeing, and made decisions about coverage accordingly. Coverage of those events was constant, hitting saturation point immediately, and stayed there for days. Media executives seemed to understand the history unfolding before their eyes, and took it as their responsibility to be eyes and ears not just for their audiences, but for the people in the crosshairs.
No obstacle was enough to stop the coverage. Even when China cut off CNN from Beijing, CNN reported repeatedly that they were cut off. BECAUSE IT IS NEWS WHEN A NEWS ORGANIZATION IS SHUT DOWN. When tanks hit the streets in Moscow in 1991, cameras were there, regardless of safety concerns, in one of the most closed societies on earth at the time, as the outcome was in grave doubt. Reporters risked their lives.
Today, as global geopolitics is shaken to its core by events in Iran, I turned on cable news this morning, and saw endless ads for a Larry King Jonas Brothers “interview”, Morning Joe yukking it up discussing Kuwaiti massage therapists, a video of a tomato throwing contest on CNN, talk radio blowhard Bill Bennett…and occasionally a phone call from Christiane Amanpour in Tehran. I can’t even bring myself to turn on the network morning programs, I might vomit.
All the while, I have been hitting refresh like a crazy person on this thread at Huffington Post, which reports on news organizations banned, reporters arrested, crowds building for a Mousavi rally as I post this, etc. etc. Huffington Post has no reporter on the ground, no international bureau, no satellite phones in Tehran, and yet, that is the most thorough news source on this story you can find.
I suppose, in fact, pray to GOD, this will turn around at some point, but as of this moment, I cannot think of a bigger failure of our media culture in my lifetime. Not only is there limited coverage, it appears editors don’t even recognize what they are seeing before their eyes.
Iran may be falling, finally. Let's hope that country's government goes up in smoke.....the citizens demand true democracy, they want what Iraq has, what Bush gave them.
Bush is the great liberator of the middle east, this is a great day!
Very little would have changed in Iran had Mousavi won. A free, fair election would have simply secured the Supreme Leader’s power and authority. The worst thing would be for the election to be revealed as a fraud. That will really piss off the youth in Iran and set a movement rolling for true reform and regime change. So, if that’s what happened, Khameni is supremely stupid. We often think that those in power (anywhere in the world, including in the U.S.) can’t be that stupid, only to find out that we were wrong.
On the other hand, this article in the Washington Post argues that the vote total may in fact be accurate: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Since the Supreme Leader has ordered an investigation, and we know that the cover up is always worse than the original crime (something politicians seem to be unable to learn), there is hope that Iran will disintegrate itself it’s a counter-revolutionary fervor. After all, the 1979 revolt followed the form of the Russian revolution on a time-compressed scale. Maybe now is the time for the denouement of this essentially corrupt autocratic regime.
Obama, by putting down Bush and American success in establishing Democracy, if fragile, Iraq, has squandered a great political opportunity to speak directly to the Iranian people saying look to your neighbor, Iraq, the people their have free elections supported by the USA, only because of the USA, you too can have this.
Nope. Obama made an ass of himself and America by putting down what turned out to be a historic success and an opportunity to display American values for the region. What a maroon.
I'm not sure if winner percentage and voter turnout should be treated as "trending" one way or another. When viewed as discrete events it seems there are some years where turnout is particularly high, other years where the winner's percentage of the vote is high, and overall too few data points to determine whether they correlate or not. It would be interesting to look at these numbers for other countries to see if such trends generally exist. It seems more likely to me that voter turnout comes and goes in cycles, and that the win percentage is related more to the popularity of the candidates in a particular race than to any historical trend.
Beano -- I'm pretty sure the Iranian people want democracy -- not a violent, bomb-intensive invasion by a foreign power resulting in massive dislocation and economic destruction, followed by a series of incompetent governments run by cronies, while civil war and sectarian violence rages all about.
Democracy ultimately has to come from within.
And if this DID have anything to do with Bush and American politics, rather than, you know -- Iranians -- it seems kind of funny they'd wait till AFTER he was out of office to pay tribute to him!
"Mr.Beano Cook, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Thank god Obama praised the elections for stirring good "debate" on the issues.
What a joke. Is this guy serious?
Now what? Now that Obama has endorsed the elections and now that it is clear the public is outraged about the fraudulent election, now what Obama?
There is no chance he can go and "talk" to Ahmadinejad now without legitimizing him. Obama must avoid doing this. This is going to crimp is style of "talking" to these fascists.
I think the best comparison would be the 2005 run-off election. It presented a similar ideological choice between two strong candidates. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the province-by-province numbers for that election yet. I think it's a little misguided to try and make inferences between an open first-round election and a later first-round election including an incumbent.
b1gdon, I really appreciate your post. A plane lands in the Hudson and it's NON-STOP COVERAGE ON ALL THE NEWS NETWORKS, ALL DAY. Tens of thousands (more? less? no one will tell me) riot in the streets of Tehran protesting against a stolen election and you get about five minutes of coverage, frequently with political strategists. It's lame. Why doesn't the media care about this? I do. A lot. I can't get enough.
"the citizens demand true democracy, they want what Iraq has, what Bush gave them.
Bush is the great liberator of the middle east, this is a great day!"
Hey Beano, what color is the sky on your planet? Not even the wingnuts are saying what you're ranting right now. LOL
ariseatex-
Good point on 2005, but why in the world would the vote this year (when youth voted) move further to the hardline right than from 2005 (when the youth did not vote)? I think the vote went the wrong way for your argument...
Beano-
Obama's Cairo speech is being sited as one of the reasons the youth in Iran are emboldened. They had no hope under Bush and did not even bother to vote in 2005.
Beano = Dick Cheney
Beano-
Iranians do not want 800.000+ of their civilians dead, their infrastructure destroyed, the carnage of Iraq and the Big fat Brother telling them "my way or no way".
I suggest you read your American Constitution and Declaration of Independence 1776, United Nations Declaration of Human Rights of 1945.
Also, why not add " Common Sense" and "The History of Fall and Decline of Roman Empire" to your library, if you have one.
Gotta love how "canceled" translates to "under way now." But as someone said over the Rumors on the Twitters recently, if you try hard enough you can get Iran to rhyme with "Animal Farm."
i agree with fred's first post... on this morning's radio news either the BBC or democracynow pointed out the first election of ahmadinejad has some improbable numbers... so to compare the current numbers with previous suspect numbers...
If you told an Iranian to look to Iraq for an model democracy in the region, they would be offended.
Iranians have been engaged in a way in this election that was unprecedented and carried out in a way that was peaceful and civil. In Iraq they can't even let the American soldiers leave til after the next election cycle because of violence.
Just because the post-election results have produced chaos, doesn't mean that this is a violent or savage people. The people there want a true democracy and rail against the clerical elite that prevents true democratic institutions.
Beano, before you continue on these rants, talk to an actual Iranian and then get back to us.
have you considered the advantage that ahmadinejad enjoys as a sitting president? there has never been a president of the islamic republic who has not been re-elected, except two in the tumultuous first years (the first was ousted, the second assassinated)
Take that back, Me Not You! Beano may have said some things you disagree with, but as far as I know, they haven't wished for a terrorist attack on the US just to validate their dislike of Obama!
sofremahi -- I think a lot of us would have (reluctantly) accepted an Ahmadinejad win. Very few of us are unaware that, much like Bush here in 2004, he probably has a LOT of support out among the less educated, religious fundamentalists, and people who approve of his hard-line, belligerent positions.
BUT -- everything about these results just seems incredibly fishy. From how quickly they announced a winner, to the bizzare shifts in support for some candidates among their bases and hometowns. Maybe Ahmadinejad did win outright, but it looks pretty clear that the numbers that came out are a fiction, intended to show the power of the regime and discourage further democratic movements.
hey nate! more numbers to play with!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/5540211/Iran-protest-cancelled-as-leaked-election-results-show-Mahmoud-Amadinejad-came-third.html
Die Zeit is reporting some interesting, albeit unsubstantiated numbers, supposedly coming from Mohsen Rezai, one of the candidates (where he gets the info in unclear):
He divides the electorate into three sectors: rural, small-town & large city. In rural areas, the vote was even split between AhmadiNejad & Mousavi, and two-three percent for other candidates. Small towns voted 66% for Mousavi, 12% for Ahmadi & 14% for Rezai. In Tehran, Isfahan, Maschad, Tabriz and Kerman, Mousavi supposedly got about 70% of the votes, Ahmadi 16%, Rezai 10% & Karroubi 4%. Iranians abroad overwhelmingly chose Mousavi over Ahmadi - 78% & 7% respectively.
http://www.zeit.de/online/2009/25/iran-wahlfaelschung?page=1
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Nate and Renard,
Thank you for covering this topic.
The 2005 first-round figures are unlikely to be suspect since Ahmedinijad wasn't a preferred candidate of the establishment at the time. He only received their backing and their ability to fiddle in the run-off. (see Ehteshami, Iran and the Rise of its Neoconservatives)
Would love to know your thoughts on the Terror Free Tomorrow poll outlined in a Washington Post editorial (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html). Just trying to better understand their justification of Ahmadinejad's election victory giving that he only polled 34% in their sample. Also, confused as to why their poll results never add up to 100%, i.e. the results for the presidential question add up to only 78%. Is this people not willing to answer or some other statistical anomaly I just don't understand? Keep up the awesome work!
Even if the "majority" voted for something, that doesn't make it right. If the majority of Americans voted to enslave people with black skin, it would be just as wrong.
It's called "the tyranny of the majority". Tyranny is the real enemy, and must be fought against and guarded against at every turn.
Thanks to Renard and the commenters who have posted all these links. Now I wish I had started a blog 2 weeks ago like I had considered.
This blog seems to show fiddling of numbers on the Iranian TV reporting
with circled totals dropping from 633,048 to 587,913 within a period of 4 hours
gharinaz.persianblog.ir
see here to read the numbers
Check out this amazing video of the million man protest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey9Kgf-cB40
If only we did this in 2000, eh?
The suggestion that 2005's first round was clean, based on the poster's (@Nadir Jeewa) reading of Ehteshami and Zweiri is incorrect.
By most accounts, including Ehteshami and Zweiri (read it last month as it happens) the Basij organised some fairly last-minute intervention in the first round as well.
This was in part simply organised block-voting, with each Basiji (member of the pro-Regime youth militia) asked to find 10 people to take to the polling station.
However, a degree of voter intimidation at the poll was alleged, as was ballot stuffing. If you compare the voting age populations of the towns with the votes cast for Ahmadinejad, you find that in several places more than 100% voted for him!
One ridiculous (and anomalous)case saw about 800% of the voting age counted as voting for Ahmadinejad.
This is not abnormal in Iran, where according to official statistics there are several million more registered voters than there are citizens of voting age.
Polling stations were kept open late, and according to the reformists who were running the Interior Ministry at the time (and made formal protest to the Guardians Council), it was in these additional hours that the Ahmadinejad vote surged and took him into the second round. Not conclusive, but suspicious.
Rafsanjani, who originally protested the result but agreed to drop his complaints 'out of respect for unity and the wishes of the supreme leader'.
2005 was probably clean in comparison to 2009, but the total vote for Ahmadinejad in the first and second round should be viewed with a pinch of salt.
Nate, In previous election cycle, Mehralizadeh was the last person, because as a head of a sport organization he wasn't a known political figure yet because he was Azeri he won all three Azerbaijani Provinces (East and West Azerbaijan and Ardabil) which are dominated by Azeris. Azeris are the biggest ethnic minority in Iran and have been seeking greater education rights in their own language. In this election both Karrubi and Mousavi have talked about those unrealized constitutional rights. (Articles #15 and #19) Moreover, Mousavi is an Azeri and spoke mostly in Azeri Turkish when he was campaigning there. Yet in the announced results he got 40% of the results compared to 60% ahmadinejad!! IT IS RIGGED! big time.
And all these numbers should be views considering the fact that in 2005 the total number of candidates were 7 compared to 4 this time. So some numbers such as candidates share of vote in their home city and province should be readjusted. In the Lorestan province, Karoubi went from having 9 times vote more than Ahmadi Nejad in 2005 to 1/15th of his vote this time,a 135 times change in the ratio, even considering this difference in the number of candidates.
Why would you even suggest national vote percentages to be linear over time? Wouldn't that suggest that at some point, less than 0% (or more than 100%) of the population would be voting?
for those talking about Iraq: Don't confuse Iran with Iraq. Though their names resemble each other but their people are different. Basically Iranians are different from all other in middle east. What you see right now in Iran, has no way in any other middle eastern country. Seeking for democracy has a 100 years of background in Iran's history. They are gaining what they deserve gradually. They don't accept anything with force and obligation. Tyranny, religion, shah, even democracy! They should find themselves interested in to accept.
@Renard: You got a shout-out on Olbermann tonight, who showed a couple of your graphs. Too bad for you they attributed the graphs to Nate Silver....
Oh well, I've had much worse done to me.
But keep up the good work and sooner or later the TV folks will learn your name!
Beano - "what a maroon." LOL
After reading many comments here, I am afraid many people are being a little naive about the reality of the situation in Iran. You cannot view the political situation there and disregard the economic situation.
What you have in social structure, is a very small middle class and upper class and huge lower class. This lower class is not capable of producing the decisions required for democracy to work. Ancient Greeks new that democracy can only work if people who are voting have something to loose. In Iran majority of people have nothing to loose and are easily swayed by the idiotic propaganda of the fascist leaders. Not unlike it happened in Germany when Hitler came to power.
Another thought that comes to mind is the fact that real leader of the country is not the president.
Notice how little is really being done about stopping the nuclear program by he world powers. Russians and French are flat out happy to sell their technologies to them. And this is with a leader who is calling for destruction of Israel (the only truly democratic state in the region) and is as close in rhetoric to Hitler as any leader has been since 1945.
What would happen if a moderate sounding leader came to power? the world would be thrilled and would praise democracy at its best. UN would give all the possible help to Iran and 2-5 years later would find a terrorist enclave with nuclear weapons where they thought was the birth place of democracy in Middle East.
And since I mentioned UN, has that organization succeeded at resolving any crisis in the past 50 years? Not that I remember...
As per Obama, I agree that you need to try to talk before you fight. I just hope that he has what it takes to realize before it is too late when the time for talk is over and fighting is the only option. It is too easy to forget history's lessons.
Keep in mind when I say fight I don't mean the way we did in Iraq, too many mistakes, poor planning, too much information escaping out into the public, too much white glove stuff that cost lives in the long run. What I mean is the same methods Iran is using. Propaganda, public opinion manipulation, forced education of locals, economic pressure like no country felt before. This is what finished off Soviet Union.
I just hope that we can do this before Iran is a nuclear power because everything becomes 100 times harder then.
I do not see the relevance of your comment here. The discussion here is about the election in Iran and not their nuclear activities.
You very much remind me of Fox News propaganda though. At least do some google search before writing your essay: "French are flat out happy to sell their technologies"!!! This is the most ridicules thing I have heard so far.
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radmit: Haven't you seen middle class in the Iran. I think people who are fighting for democracy(IRANIANS)far more deserve it rather than those who have democracy based on bare and rough military power supported by a huge economy from all over the world (ISRAEL). When your talking about Iran, make sure you lnow you are talking about 80 million people mostly middle class which have democracy concern not Ahmadinejad. And make sure you understand the difference between CHANGE based on people desire(in IRAN happening right now) and change based on military action (in ISRAEL and IRAQ). Don't worry about moderate governmet in Iran and don't prefer a dictator for people which hate that(look at Tehran's streets these days). Ancient Greek philosopher theory doesn't meet Iranians majority desire as you prescribe.
I do apologize Mashti, I did not mean French I meant Chinese. I just read an article on France and Russia and it jumped out.
As per relevance, I believe all the interest to Iran is due to the nuclear problem. How many readers here you think can tell me who is in opposition to the Georgian president and why? I bet not many Simply because it is not of the same importance to the rest of the world.
Also, if I said something that was more along the lines of ideology of CNN reporters, would you still call that propaganda? Is freedom of speech a foreign concept?
Notice, I have no issue admitting my mistakes and adjusting my views as long as I see a substantiated argument not a dismissive and close minded rambling.
Vahid, I am not certain what I said to upset you. By no means do I have anything against Iranian people. I really hope that they are able to establish a true democratic state and I respect all those who came out to the street to voice their opinions and stand for their rights.
I grew up in Soviet Union where people where just as eager for freedom and democracy. We also thought we are all middle class. Reality is a bit different... By the way the only reason Soviet Union fell apart is not because of the desire of the citizens for freedom but because of the Regan's economic pressure.
As per democracy in Israel, I don't think it has anything to do with military strength. I do agree that in Iraq democracy is a fiction. As democracy cannot be forced on people. They have to come to the concept via natural social and economic development of the society.
My point was that by sabotaging fascist government you give a chance to the people who care change things from inside.
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And if this DID have anything to do with Bush and American politics, rather than, you know -- Iranians -- it seems kind of funny they'd wait till AFTER he was out of office to pay tribute to him!
What a nutcase argument. First of all you're starting with a strawman, no one said they were paying "tribute" to Bush, only that the establishment of Democracy in Iraq provided inspiration to the Iranian people. Secondly, even if they did want to pay tribute to Bush in the election, they have to wait FOR THE ELECTION.
I am glad to see though that Obama is not taking a confrentational tone with Iran or trying to insert himself in their political process!
The kind of crap Bush pulled - meeting with Myanmar dissidents but refusing to meet with their government - only makes the ruling people even more hardline. The best thing to do is make a few statements, but ultimately let the regime do what it will and then negotiate with them. The US playing a role in their electoral process or judging their government is the height of arrogance and a move which fits in the BUSH ERA.
Idea Generator (or radmit?), again you did not do your homework. Are you saying that before the nuclear issue of Iran surfaced a few years ago, there was no interest in West about Iran? Are you saying that Jimmy Carter went to Iran when Shah was in power just for a photo up? Are you saying that the middle east region, in which Iran is located if you do not know, is of no importance to the west and specifically the US? Is not oil one of the biggest component of the US economy/politics?
If that is what you really think then I am sorry for replying to your comment.
Mashti, no question about the importance of oil, I simply pointed out the importance of the nuclear problem (and thus relevance of my comment). And yes, because of the nuclear threat importance of Iran is double now than what it was just 10 years ago.
I am well aware of the geography of the Middle East and Iran in particular as they taught it very well in Soviet Union unlike in United States.
And I do thank you for your comments and replies. Only in dialog can the truth be born.
Any comments on this analysis: http://www-personal.umich.edu/%7Ewmebane/note14jun2009.pdf (analysis performed by Walter R. Mebane, Jr.) link via ZeroHedge (http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/)
Thank you.
W. Clark, Richmond, VA
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0906/0906.2789v1.pdf
Is also worth looking at, for another Benford analysis.
Mebane seems to look at second significant figure Benford's laws, while Roukema is looking at first digit Benford's laws. I'm not an expert on this, but I get the feeling that Roukema's analysis is more compelling - if we consider the sorts of gross fudges (slashing votes by factors of 10, etc) the MOI is alleged to be involved with, that will be observable in the first significant digit and not especially in the second. Mebane really ought to do a comparison of first round -> runoff vs first round to 2009.
Based on the suggested patterns found (Karrubi having an anomalously high number of digit 7 beginning vote counts), I've looked back at his town data, and flagged up the provinces where > 15% of the towns reported Karroubi digits beginning with 7 - the idea being to locate the provinces where the data is likely to be fudged. (Note that Benford's law says the average should be ~6%.) Obviously other provinces might be fraudulent as well, and some of these might be coincidences.... but anyway, the list is
Azerbaijan sharghi (East Azerbeijan) ***
Esfahan
Tehran
Khorasan razavi (South Khorasan)
Kordestan ***
Lorestan ***
Hormozgan ***
Yazd
I've put asterisks next to the ones that seem especially interesting. Anyway, make of that as you will. All the data is from Roukema and Mebane.
That said, doing some linear regressions don't really turn up any patterns, and these numbers are really small. I think probably a different approach is needed.
EARTH TO NATE!!!! This is your worst analysis ever!
How many times do people have to tell you that the 2005 elections were boycotted by a large swath of moderates and thus not comparable to 2009...
How many times do people have to tell you the votes boxes were stuffed in 2005 and thus not comparable to any year prior or since...
How many times do people have to tell you that you like the base "common sense" knowledge to do a numbers comparison on the ground in Iran..
Nate, I love you man, but STFU on Iran or find a clue!
The crowds are of such size that their “movement” is beyond the point of no return.
Change may be slow in coming, nevertheless, it will come.
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http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-dawn-for-iran.html
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Some Mullahs have already headed out of town.
Beano, will you shut up with your stupid bush pushing. If you think the millions of civilian deaths given to the Iraqi people in exchange for "democracy" was a positive thing you are truly retarded.... though I feel bad for giving retarded people a bad name.
Please take your stupidity off to the comments section of the fox news page. Just because Iran and Iraq both start with Ira, doesn't mean they are in any way related or comparable. You probably think Afghanistan is the same thing, too.
Do I need to remind you that the US provided military intelligence to both sides during the Iran-Iraq war? You probably never knew, because you learn everything from billboards and cable news. I'm sure Iranians are hoping with all their hearts for more republican policy.
Obama has to fix all the problems that bush got you into. Bush left no positive lasting legacy of any kind (remember all his "good" work with North Korea).
The people of Iraq may be happy in about 30 years when a new generation has been born, a generation who doesnt know the sight of body parts in the streets and the smell of rotting corpses.
If you think that the people of Iraq are grateful to bushpig for their "democracy", then why did Iraq's most prominent lawyer offer to represent the wonderful Shoe Thrower, Muntazer al-Zaidi, pro bono?
Please keep your mouth shut in future to avoid looking any more mentally deficient, and to keep in the smell. The stupidity of people like you give Americans a bad name... I'm certainly glad I dont have to live there with idiots like you.
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