Who knew there could be such excitement in Albany?Republicans seized control of the New York State Senate on Monday, in a stunning and sudden reversal of fortunes for the Democratic Party, which controlled the chamber for barely five months.
The prospects for gay marriage in New York State, which were already fairly tenuous, would now seem to be very bleak for the current senatorial term. The deposed majority leader, Malcolm Smith, had already been reluctant to bring a vote to the floor unless he had the votes. The new "bipartisan" leadership, with control of the chamber's agenda, presumably will prefer to vote on other issues rather than focus one where New Yorkers are almost evenly divided and it will be very hard to extract advantage from their tenuous, and possibly temporary (see below), hold on power. Indeed, quite a few senate Republicans had explained their no (or undecided) votes by saying that they viewed gay marriage as a "distraction".
A raucous leadership fight erupted on the floor of the Senate around 3 p.m., with two Democrats, Pedro Espada Jr. of the Bronx and Hiram Monserrate of Queens, joining the 30 Senate Republicans in a motion that would displace Democrats as the party in control.
It was a noisy and acrimonious scene on the floor of the Senate as Senator Thomas W. Libous, a Republican from Binghamton and the party’s deputy leader, shouted for a roll-call vote, while Democrats attempted to stall the vote by asking to adjourn the session.
All 30 Republicans stood with their hands raised, signaling a vote for a change in leadership. Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate joined them, each raising his hand. Republicans won the vote by a 32-to-30 margin. The Senate will now be governed under a new joint leadership structure, with Mr. Espada serving as the president pro tempore, and Senator Dean G. Skelos, of Long Island, as the new majority leader.
It would be dubious, however, to suggest that gay marriage itself was the cause of the leadership change. Among the two disloyal Democrats involved in the kerfuffle, Espada was a supporter of gay marriage and Monserrate was on the fence.
And indeed, we ought to be careful of coming to too much of any conclusion, period. These things can sometimes unravel themselves with as little as a stray tweet here and there, and one of the defectors, Monserratte, is facing an indictment for felony assault and would automatically be ejected from the senate if convicted. Even if Smith and the rest of the Democrats win back control of the chamber, however, one expects they'd be reluctant to rock the boat by pushing forward on the gay marriage issue. The fact of the matter is that there are three NYC-based Democrats who are no votes on gay marriage and another three NYC-based Democrats who are undecided. If Democrats had most or all of those votes, gay marriage would be (or would have been) a heavy favorite to pass, but they don't.
New York's 62 senators are elected to concurrent, two-year terms; all will be up for re-election in 2010.
EDIT: If you absolutely need a ray of hope, the new rules the Senate seems prepared to operate under appears to give more power to individual members in pushing legislation to the floor.# A new motion for consideration is created. A sponsor may move to have his or her bill included on the next active list if a majority of members present and voting agree to the motion.
So in theory, if gay marriage had the 32 votes it needed to begin with, it would also have the votes for a "motion for consideration" to bring it to the floor. The problem is that gay marriage only had about 20 or so enthusiastic supporters, and under the current conditions my guess is that most the other 12 are going to be careful about making any false moves, even if you might find a couple of sympathetic Republicans who were planning to vote no on gay marriage but were nevertheless willing to bring it to a floor vote.
# A petition for consideration is also created, which allows a majority of the members elected to request a bill be put to the floor. If successful, the bill shall be placed on the active list for the next session day. If within the last four days of session, it shall be immediately considered by the body if successful.
But, who knows. Marriage equity advocates should probably be focusing their attention for the time being on collecting votes (or signatures) for a so-called motion (or petition) of consideration, and calling out senators who are trying to have it both ways -- pun somewhat intended.
6.08.2009
Following Leadership Coup, Gay Marriage Probably DOA in New York State [UPDATED: Or Is It?]
by Nate Silver @ 6:22 PM...see also gay rights, new york
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Wow. What now will happen to the parking privileges (and other perks the Republicans once had)? And what about the new web site, and all its features? Are we looking at a complete reversal, assuming they keep their majority?
1st Post!!!
Nope!!!
Am I immature for giggling at the end of the URL for this post, following-leadership-coup-is-gay.html? Following the leadership coup is totally gay, dude.
The new majority leader, Dean Skelos, said nothing about gay marriage in response to the takeover; instead, he complained about the bailout plan for the MTA, which raised taxes instead of fares.
Let's convert to a unicameral legislature! There's no reason for a state to have both a senate and a house. That would save the state some money too!
The Democrats are saying the coup broke Parliamentary Procedure, and that they retain control of the Senate?!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/8/740211/-Failed-Attempted-Coup-In-The-New-York-State-Senate
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/revolt-could-imperil-democratic-control-of-senate/?hp
Considering the margins and possibility of deals, indictments, etc...This does not appear to be over.
@VegnaBlitz: even if the democrats are correct here, it only postpones the inevitable. If those 2 senators want to switch, nothing can be done to prevent it. Neither one is a great loss in some ways. Both are under investigation and one of them is in fact already indicted. If convicted he would lose his seat.
Gee, it sounds as if New York is trying to compete with Illinois and Louisiana for fun-to-watch honors.
Marriage is between one man and one woman so what does "marriage equity" have to do with gay rights??
Alan, are you a troll?
ya, alan is one.
I think that another part of the nytimes article is worth quoting:
"Why Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate suddenly defected on Monday afternoon was not immediately clear. Both men are under investigation by the authorities. The state attorney general’s office is investigating a health care agency, Soundview HealthCare Network, that Mr. Espada ran until recently. And Mr. Monserrate, who was indicted on felony assault charges in March stemming from an attack on his companion, would automatically be thrown out of office if convicted."
It sure seems sketchy that these two guys are switching parties right now. Am I being too cynical to suspect that the minority part would promise to help them avoid the investigation/prosecution in exchange for switching sides?
Nate, here's a follow-up idea for you: How many NY state senators (or state congressmen) are under investigation right now? If they're the only ones, that's quite a coincidence.
What is the average number of investigations/prosecutions per congressional class?
This all seems a bit weird to me. The whole investigation thing seems fishy. Seems a very odd moment for Dems to switch to the GOP (I know that local politics is often different from national politics, but even still), and it seems like something may well be a foot. Be an interesting one to follow for the next few months!
The two senators did not disaffilliate with the Dems and re-enroll with the GOP.
As Ron pointed out, even if this was done "after the gavel", it will happen in a day or two when they resume their session.
But the power grab is all about 2010 and its redistricting consequences for the next decade. If the Dems control all the redistricting, the GOP will lose at least 3 seats in the state senate because the lines and district sizes have been (re)drawn to carefully preserve the dwindling GOP majority for a while.
These 2 Dems will face primary challenges in 2010, for sure, and I think the Dems will recapture those seats with senators who won't bolt. They have to hold their other newly won seats (i.e. Brian Foley), too.
They should put their efforts into giving Diaz the heave-ho. Shouldn't be that hard -- he's a gawdawful senator, and says some of the dumbest things of anyone in an already dim chamber... and that's not even going into his anti-gay rights stuff!
Where the hell is the president on this issue?
Obama's "justice" department argued before the Supreme Court that "don’t ask/don't tell" should remain in effect. And they won. Boo-yah!
His position on Gay Marriage mirrors that of Miss California, Carrie Prejean. Dick Cheney is more liberal on the subject than he!
What is your President afraid of?
Especially when you consider the number of men he has been linked with romantically (Donald Young, Reggie Love(his "body man -- ahem!) and Larry Sinclair), you'd think he’d be a touch more sympathetic, no?
Not really. Because he is a HYPOCRITE AND A LIAR.
petekent01 (on twitter)
Win or lose, marriage equality advocates want the bill brought to a vote so that the no-voting senators can be identified and targeted for removal.
manhattanoffender:
Couple unrestricted access to abortion and genetic engineering and you too may be "targeted for removal"!
Careful what you vote for! Like Obama -- are you targeting him as well????
petekent01 (on twitter)
No I'm not a troll - just a progressive who gets annoyed when gay rights are equated with marriage.
Alan, I don't get it. Do you support gay rights, but not marriage; or marriage, but not gay rights?
Alan,
Marriage has traditionally been between a man and a woman, and its perfectly common for societies to resist changing such a significant institution. However, over the last 60-100 years, the significance of marriage has changed drastically.
It used to just mean that you've chosen a person to be your life partner, and possibly be part of your family. But a steady flow rules about things like medicine, insurance, taxation, sick leave, veterans benefits, social security, etc. all hinging upon whether you are married to your partner or not, marriage has taken on a very particular legal meaning that is very far removed from the traditional reasons for getting married. Therefore, to deny any group the right to these benefits because of something as superficial as their sexual preference is outright discrimination. It really has nothing to do with what marriage meant 100 years ago. It has everything to do with equal rights.
Gays have the same rights everyone else has.
juvanyq.
Still the same old homophobe.
Learns nothing from other posters.
@juvanya:
Some questions:
Can a gay couple with a civil union (where that is permitted) file a tax retrun "married filing jointly"?
Can a memeber of a gay couple with a civil union get automatic inheritance rights when one of them dies?
Can a member of a gay couple with a civil union get automatic visitation rights when one of them is in the hospital? (Hint: there are recorded instances of doctors denying hospital visits in this circumstance).
Now, what did you say?
"Gays have the same rights everyone else has."
Care to repeat that now?
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