Florida Governor Charlie Crist will reportedly announce tomorrow that he is running for the United States Senate. At first glance this move -- which would have surprised until we began to hear credible chatter about it from Republican insiders earlier this month -- would seem like a real recruiting coup for the GOP. In contrast to most governors, Crist retains strong approval ratings; he is well ahead, moreover, of prospective Democratic opponents in early horse race polling. Democrats may hold out hope that they can skewer Crist for leaving Florida's problems behind him in Tallahassee (the DSCC is already running ads to this effect), or that he'll be defeated by Marco Rubio, a conservative young Cuban who has top-notch advisers and will be competing against him in the Republican primary. But this is likely to be very much an uphill battle for them, particularly given the absence of a top-tier opponent like state CFO Alex Sink. Florida will drop significantly on next month's senate race report card.
As Arlen Specter has proven, however, party distinctions are often relatively meaningless: when control of the chamber is not at stake, it's votes, not chairs, that count. And when it comes to key votes in the Senate, it's an open question as to which would the Democrats rather have:
-- a virtually 100 percent chance of Crist, an extremely moderate Republican, in the Senate chamber, or,Let's consider Crist's stances on the issues:
-- a roughly 50 percent chance of Rubio, a fairly conservative Republican, and a 50 percent chance of Kendrick Meek, a not-particularly-progressive South Florida congressman who is the leading contender to represent the Democrats next November.
The Stimulus. Crist was in favor was in favor of Obama's economic stimulus package, and in fact campaiged with the President for its passage.
Cap-and-Trade. Crist supports cap-and-trade and signed a bill to create a statewide cap-and-trade system in Florida. This isn't necessarily that radical a stance for a Florida politician, a state which has relatively few jobs in carbon-intensive industries and conversely might suffer disproportionately from rising sea levels and stronger Atlantic hurricanes (Mel Martinez, Florida's outgoing Senator, was one of seven Republicans to vote in favor of cloture on last year's climate change bill). Crist also somewhat notoriously reversed his former opposition to offshore drilling during John McCain's 2008 election campaign. Nevertheless, he is likely to be a reasonably reliable Democratic vote on environmental issues.
National Health Insurance. Unclear. Last May, Crist signed a bill to provide for low-cost, no-frills health insurance for the roughly 20 percent of Floridians who are uninsured. The bill does not contain an individual mandate, but does prohibit insurance companies from discriminating on the basis of age or pre-existing conditions. The smart money is that Crist would be a gettable vote on health care but would balk at a public option.
Taxes. Crist has generally positioned himself as a fiscal conservative and it seems highly unlikely that Democrats would have his vote on an effort to roll back the Bush tax cuts or to make the tax code more progressive. Furthermore, Florida has no income tax, and Crist had previously suggested replacing the federal income tax with a flat tax or national sales tax. He is, however, currently considering a bill to raise tobacco taxes and certain other fees.
Abortion. Proving that the resemblance to fellow Ken Doll Mitt Romney is more than superficial, Crist has, at different points in his career, described himself as both "pro-choice" and (more recently) "pro-life". Crist has made four appointments to the Florida Supreme Court: two conservatives and two moderates.
Gay Rights. Crist supports civil unions but not gay marriage, and was a somewhat lukewarm supporter of Florida's Amendment 2, which passed in November and amended Florida's constitution to ban gay marriage. Crist has also stated that he opposes any change to Florida's longstanding ban on gay adoptions.
Immigration. Crist has been somewhat coy about his stance on immigration issues, but has generally been sympathetic toward immigration reform proposals including an amnesty provision for illegals.
Labor. Florida is a right-to-work state with low unionization rates, something which Crist has been loathe to change, although labor claims some moderate successes in strengthening layoff and workplace safety provisions for state employees. It seems unlikely that Crist would become the one Republican to defect on the "card check" provisions of EFCA, although his support for a compromise bill might be plausible.
Other Issues. On other "values" issues, Crist has generally taken an orthodox Republican stance. Although having adopted a somewhat casual tone about his own past usage of marijuana, Crist signed a bill last June to toughen Florida's laws on marijuana growers and has stated his opposition to legalization provisions. He has received high ratings from the NRA and signed a bill to strengthen Flordia's concealed-carry provisions. Crist is pro-death penalty and has overseen three executions. He has been a somewhat vocal supporter of education vouchers. On the other hand, Crist pushed to restore voting rights for some 750,000 non-violent ex-felons, a move which might have harmed John McCain in November.
All in all, this would appear to be an authentically moderate set of positions, one that very much resembles those of Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins. Not coincidentally, Crist's approval ratings show no partisan split whatsoever; in the latest Quinnipiac polling, Crist received favorable ratings from 67 percent of Republicans, 64 percent of Democrats, and 65 percent of independents. Crist, moreover, is not exactly a loyal GOP soldier, having essentially abandoned the McCain campaign in October and irking conservatives again in February by campaigning for the President's stimulus package.
The particular answer to our question probably depends on the particular issues that the Senate would be taking up during Crist's tenure, especially during the 112th Congress that will convene in January, 2011. Reading the divining rods, my guess is that the key policy debates during this interval will involve environmental policy (since cap-and-trade may lack the momentum to pass in a down economy), the tax code (since there will be increasing pressure on the Administration to pare down the deficit), and perhaps immigration reform (where Democrats may dare Republicans to further alienate Hispanic voters in advance of the 2012 elections). Democrats are likely to have Crist's support on two of these three issues; that might be a bit better for them than flipping a coin between zero and three.

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We should root for him, for a very different reason.
Any candidate running for a new office in 2010 can't run for president in 2012. It's as simple as that. To raise the money and profile needed for a presidential run, you have to declare in early 2011. Cartoonists would have a field day:
CRIST (portrayed as crying baby): I don't WANT this job! I want THAT one, mommy, THAT one!
If this is already being rolled out when he starts running for Senate, imagine when he starts running for President. 'Charlie Crist can't even decide what job he wants. Can he decide America's future?'
And IF he doesn't run for President then that increases the chance of some unelectable nutjob getting the nod, allowing Obama to sail to a second term. Crist -- moderate, goodlooking, charming, with a good record in Florida -- would be a formidable national opponent. Let Hillary deal with him in 2016.
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Thanks Nate, this is the exact kind of post it was looking for when I heard Crist was probably going to run for senator.
But I am still upset at how the 2010 senate rankings look now compared to 2-3 months ago. I also have a request of you, Nate. I've posted it before, but I really don't know if you ever read it but it looks like I'll get a fairly high spot in the comments this time, so you're more likely to read it. Next time you do the senate rankings, can you rank each individual chances of changing parties with something like a "Greater than 50% chance of changing parties" "Less than 50% chance of changing parties" and "About 50% chance of changing parties"? I think this would be extremely beneficial for reading and interpreting the ranking system, and it seems like a pretty easy to determine metric, and wouldn't need to be as precise(52% chance of a Franken win!) as your senate rankings you had before the elections.
<3 the site though either way.
First. Good post. I think Crist would be ok.
Good post. Crist would actually be an okay addition to the senate (especially against a moderate Dem).
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Crist would quickly become as miserable as Specter as a Republican in the Senate. The DNC should find a way to flip him now to save him the trouble of switching parties after he's elected.
One argument you don't mention is that of money. Florida is one of the more expensive media markets to compete in if I remember correctly. If the state is seen as a lock for a moderate republican like Crist, that allows the money that would be poured into a 50-50 campaign there to be diverted to other Senate races.
Also keep in mind Crist is replacing Martinez, a fairly conservative Republican, so Democrats would gain from that, too.
Could you idiots stop trying the whole "FIRST!" crap? It is getting really old and no one cares...no one cares 1 second after you post it and no one will care 1 year later that you were first to post a comment on a blog post. Its good to see that quality comments get in before the dopes with "FIRST!" do.
Charlie Crist is gay. Seriously. They got it on tape. And it's being released as a segment in a documentary being aired at theatres across the country this summer.The last post had a faulty link, so I am posting this one which has a better link. Sorry for the confusion.
So yeah, I wouldn't lay alot of money on Crist right now.
As a Floridian, I am cheering for him because it means that Alex Sink now has a way better chance to become the next governor.
I'm scrambling to find the "moderate" in all the positions you posted.
Has this country swung so violently to the right that Christ could be considered a "moderate"
He's to the right of the nation as a whole on healthcare, abortion, gay adoption and taxes. His positions on civil rights seem to be falling into the mainstream.
He would be a conservative regarding environment, labor, marijuana, and death penalty in most western/northern European countries.
He's moderate on a few issues, but that does not make a moderate.
I'll be interested to see if the undercurrent rumors of his sexuality are brought to the fore and, if so, by whom.
But, short of Jeb making a run, Crist is more or less unbeatable unless, like Specter, he gets subverted by the local state party.
This post is perfectly dumb. I wondered how you Silverites would spin an almost certain loss in Florida. Doesn't this upset your little meme that the GOP is full of looney right wingers? Doesn't it refute the suggestion many of you made when Ridge bowed out: that no viable politician would any longer join the GOP national effort?
However, Crist is nowhere near as liberal as Snowe or Specter. Support for the stimulus is irrelevant. Most Govs needed to put their hand out for the cash - so what. The discussion of other issues here is hilarious, particularly that bit on taxes. Way to spin. I think you folks protest too much.
Everyone seems to forget that being a governor, where you can do your own thing and only have to account to the state legislature and the people of the state is a VERY different beast than the U.S. Senate where you have to account (more) to your leadership, including the national leadership. McConnell doesn't keep 97% of his party in line for nothing. And I don't believe for a second that if Crist was a senator he would have voted for the stimulus.
If the choice is between a moderate Dem, where you'll lose some votes and a moderate Repub, where you'll lose most votes -- go with the Dem. (Just watch Specter change his spots on borderline issues in the next few months.)
But hey, it's not too late for Crist to switch parties ;-)
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I'm glad I'm not a Floridian because this is some food for thought that makes the decision much harder. I like the idea of a moderate Republican who is willing to work with the Democrats; however, Crist and I disagree on some issues that are very important to me. Thanks for a stimulating post, as usual.
As A Floridian who is paying attention I do not think that Meek has it in the bag.
He is ahead of Dan Gelber at the moment but given his and his Mother's high name recognition and easy wins in a district that he could not lose, when there are actual issues discussed it will still be up in the air.
I think that if either Gelber or Meek come out hard for single payer they could easily get the nomination.
On the Republican side, most of those still Republicans are more hard right than ever and will be extremely upset if Crist is outed as Gay as seems likely.
Considering GOP taste for mud in this state I think Rubeo will drown Crist in it.
To fight back Crist will have to out Limbaugh Rubio as he did in the Governor's primaries against that opponent from the right, that should have been used against him in the Gov race but was not.
Given the increased willingness of Democrats to react, the hardening of the shrinking GOP, and increasing drift blue Florida will be a very interesting state to watch.
Another reason that Democrats should be cheering Crist on is that with him out of the Governor's race, CFO Alex Sink will likely jump in, and the Governor has a powerful voice in Florida's redistricting process. A Gov. Sink would be a boon for Florida Democrats in the 2012 elections.
Nate, from someone who has been watching Charlie Crist closely for years now, it is very clear that:
(1) Charlie Crist's main concern in life is the political advancement of Charlie Crist, and
(2) Solving real problems requires ticking some people off, which negatively impacts (1), and
(3) Therefore the policy of Charlie Crist is to run for every elected office possible, staying in each one only long enough to "kick the can down the road" to the next schmuck.
So Charlie Crist as a U.S. Senator means only one thing: a likely one-term position so that a run for the Presidency in 2016 is doable, while angling for the Vice-Presidential pick in 2012 (which would be a no-loss situation because the Senate seat runs to 2016).
From a policy standpoint, it looks now that Crist would be moderate, but that is an illusion. Crist would change when he knew he would be facing the need to win the Republican nomination.
In other words, you are reading Crist as an inherent moderate based on his record as Governor. But my read on Crist is that he has no inherent ideological position or philosophy whatsoever. Charlie will vote and act to advance Charlie. So unless he switches to a Democrat, I see his policy positions changing radically to the right.
Many thanks.
--Greg in FL
The Senate is going to remain safely in Democratic hands in 2011 regardless of how Florida votes. From a strategic standpoint, the vacant seat is worth more if Crist (who could play the role of consensus-maker between the two parties) is in it than any Democrat (who would just be bolstering an already strong majority). Additionally, having Crist on the Senate ballot creates a competitive race for the open governorship, and avoids the scenario of a conservative GOP candidate winning a toss-up Senate race against a generic Democrat.
While right now it may be that votes (not chairs) are what count, it should be remembered that whoever wins a senate seat is likely to continue holding that senate seat for quite a number of years.
Someday the senate will be close to 50-50 again, and both parties will need all the votes they can get.
Don't over do it. Crist could be a disaster on a host of core Democratic issues. Is there any reason to think he'd go back to being pro-choice? I doubt it. He's terrible on gay rights (Florida's adoption ban is an unusually harsh law). Sure, he'll be better on environmental and immigration issues than most Republicans, but that doesn't make he's all that good.
There is though one reason to root for him - it would continue the war between him and his supporters and Jeb Bush and Bush's supporters. And the longer the Florida Republicans have to deal with that split, and the deeper and nastier it gets, the better for the Democrats.
So you would charcterize Crist, who supports anti-labor right-to-work laws; supports strong enforcement of anti-pot laws; supports capital punishment; supports concealed handguns; supports school vouchers; is against gay adoptions; has supported the extreme right-wing flat tax; and is against repealing Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy; as "extremely moderate"?
Gonna have to disagree with you there, Nate. Sounds to me like a regular ol conservative Republicans who decided it would be a good idea to take stimulus money (from which he would benefit, of course, without having to pay the political price).
As a liberal Democrat in Florida, I have to say once again that I think Crist is one of the better politicians around today. Remember what he did last November extending early voting hours, for another thing.
I would vote for him. He is a good model for where the Republicans ought to aim themselves.
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I like the idea of floridians deciding between a moderate D and moderate R. I think it might be better for the country if Crist won. With 60 D (or more) plus 3 moderate R senators, we might actually get bipartisan support for bills. The senate is supposed to be a place of careful consideration for legislation. The last two decades have merely been role-calls for the parties. I don't like the idea of jamming legislation through. Much better would be if 10 moderate senators (coming from both parties) could actually consider what is best for the country when they vote.
If I was his evil puppetmaster, I would advise Crist to run for President in 2012 as soon as he's elected to the Senate, before he has any voting record to campaign against. As soon as he wins the Republican nomination for Prez, and the convention is over, I would then advise him to announce to the public that he's gay, whether he really is or not, and for him to emphasize to the public that his gayness will not affect his support for all the planks of the platform that he's been peddling all along, blah blah blah.
It would be an interesting, anyway.
I too, am a liberal Democrat in Florida -- with the difference being that I'm also an educator. And folks, that's the big missing puzzle-piece from both this column and the comments that have been put under it: Charlie Crist is savagely anti-intellectual, savagely anti-education, and must be stopped at all costs. The devil incarnate isn't going to firebomb your village, friends, he's going to show up in a nice seersucker suit and capped teeth.
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Floridians already know that Chain Gang Charlie is a closet gay. The tag was adhered to him during his run for Governor 3 years ago by the neo-cons [not the Dems] - but if failed to run him off the rails as he is a true political chameleon.
At one time, ol' Charlie was a total right-winger [that is where the Chain Gang nickname came about] - but he has morphed 7 will continue to morph.
Is he gay ??? you betcha, but he took care of his confirmed bachelor status by wedding his beard just after the election.
Why ? to set him up for this scenario of course. But wouldn't FL Gov be a better launch pad for POTUS in either 2012 or 2016 ?
Well, it would have been except the economy tanked & the FL budget is FUBAR & then some. Plus Charlie claimed he would get a handle on property taxes & especially on property/hurricane insurance - BOTH are complete failures for his Tallahhassee term.
So he now realizes that he better get goin' while the gettin' is good. The comparison to Arlen is probably best - Charlie has no hard firm principles - he blows with the wind & polls so he is not to be trusted [unless your beliefes are currently polling HIGH - witness the flip-flop on drilling which is totaling hypocritical but also completely in sync with Crist's career].
Better he goes to DC than remain here in FL where he is not productive.
PS - have you ever seen a man with that unreal 'color' skin or who wear his pants belted right up under his armpits ??? That's our Charlie [think SNL's' That's Pat'] !!!
prediction - Charlie will win the senate seat in a 'cake' walk... plus he can totally dominate our senior senator 'what's his name', oh yeah Bill Nelson [yawn]
but that does give the DEMs a reasonable shot at the Governorship here which is much more influential than a junior senator [think judges & redistricting]. Go Alex Sink for FL Gov in 2010 !!!
From a strategic standpoint, the vacant seat is worth more if Crist (who could play the role of consensus-maker between the two parties) is in it than any Democrat (who would just be bolstering an already strong majority).
I don't get this line of thinking at all!
What with health uncertainties etc.,you can never have enough votes.Bi-partisanship,consenses making? A fairy tale spread by out-of-power Republicans,who never indulged in it when they were the majority.An iron-clad cloture majority is the only way to turn the country around.
Shouldn't we also be thinking beyond just senate politics? The GOP death spiral should be encouraged. Someone like Crist in the Senate might be good for the party. What about 2016?
Not that we should cross the primary line and vote for Club for Growth candidates. Just that the GOP is at a crucial time and pragmatists like Crist would be good for them. We don't want that. :)
with Larry Craig out of DC, it is incumbent upon the GOP to bring in another closet case to the senate cloak room to join Ms Lindsey Graham
besides, Crist is easily 'persuadable' on issues - just send over a cute young male page after-hours to seal the deal... no need for lobbyists here
for those not from FL - want to here the really scary background on Charlie ??? years ago [back in the ice age] Crist 'dated' Katherine Harris !!! yes, it is true - but ol' Katie was clueless at the time on why she got nowhere with Charlie... [now she knows better as he has since 'dated' men on her staff] KATHERINE HARRIS !!! speaks to BOTH of their altered realities...
paging Liza Minelli...
First time poster here and I'd like to point out that Nate's post is incomplete.
In order to show that Crist is an acceptable choice for Democrats, Nate really should have compared Crist's record with Meek's.
Regarding Meek's progressive credentials...
I followed the link to the progressive punch website.
Meek has a 90% lifetime score, and 80% on the "crucial votes" category. That puts him about in the middle of Democratic pack in the house. I wouldn't call that "not particularly progressive."
I'm guessing Nate's judgment was based on his score relative to his district (he's 3 points more conservative than his district tilt according to the website).
But still, Meek would undoubtedly be a more reliable vote than Crist.
The title of this is a joke, right? It seems as though the Specter fiasco seems to have Progressives going out of their way to find other "moderate" repubs to route for and somehow "seduce" to the Dem side. Is this a touch of the "self hating" that Dems are so often accused of? With an open seat, why would we bother. Seems better to just elect a Dem in the first place.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how Crist could be considered "moderate" based on the info Nate provided here. The reason he supported the stimulus was that he needed the money and he knew he didn't have to vote on it. He had nothing to lose. The fact that he had a smarter stimulus strategy than Jindal or Palin doesn't say much.
What makes anyone think that once Crist is in the Senate, that he won't fall right in line with the hard liners in the repub party? If its one thing that the repubs are good at, its keeping their people in line. Crist would be a Freshman Senator and at the mercy of his party elders. This would especially be the case if Crist has aspirations of running for Pres in 2016. He saw what happened to McCain and knows that nobody who is not "endorsed" by the Limbastards of the country will get anywhere in the GOP.
I agree with Wactivist, Crist's record should be compared to Meek's. Something tells me that when you look at it that way, no Dem in his/her right mind would hope for Crist over Meek.
Excellent article - this is really the smartest site on the net. My choice would depend on whether Meek supports the public option. At this point that outweighs everything else put together for me.
Given the efforts of the indefatigable Mike Rogers, whose legendary closet gaydar has yet to fail, Crist may become the first openly gay senator, whether he intends to or not.
Rogers confidently outed Craig many months before the famous airport washroom incident and has been equally unequivocal in regard to Crist.
I imagine Crist could win even if he came fully out of the closet - especially if he did so without being forced to.
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sorry, Kendrick is a pipe dream & reality here in FL is that he cannot crack 45% against a Crist.
Now if it was against Rubio, then we have a horserace.
But not only does Crist have high approvals still [heavens knows why...], but Meek is from Miami & there is no way a DEM from So FL will pile up a big enough margin to overcome a central FL candidate who will carry the north & CFL.
Obama barely managed to pull it off against McCain. The Dems only hope would be a strong candidate from CFL - but who ? They will now want to run for Gov instead.
Hate to admit it, but this is Crist's election - unless he is caught on tape with a dead boy in his bed [not sure even the live boy scenario would shoot him down in 2010].
Crist would be better than Martinez was - so that is something. This seat is not in play I hate to say... still Charlie needs to be challenged & forced to go on the record as to what he stands for [he HATES to take a position btw - usually he will equivocate as long as possible ala Ammendment 2]
Vote for a self-hating gay who supports florida's bigoted adoption ban and came out for the constitutional amendment?
I wouldn't vote for Crist even if his opponent were Adolf Hitler.
@ DCM in FL,
I'm not saying that Meek would be able to win. I'm just saying that the Dems don't get anything by hoping for Crist to beat him.
Doom
no real progressive would vote for Chang Gang Charlie [including me]
the problem is that Crist has the support of the IND swing voters & crackers
I will proudly vote against him in a losing cause - but the race in FL will be for Governor, not Senator...
I think the point Nate was really trying to make here isn't that Florida Dems should vote for Crist, but that maybe the national party should just let this one go. The seat is already held by a Republican, so it isn't a net loss to them if Crist wins. And Crist is arguably closer to the Dems on certain key issues than Martinez, so while he will undoubtedly side against the Dems on many votes, he will likely come down on our side on some, which is an improvement over the status quo. Also, there are better pick up opportunities for the Dems, and there will likely be some Democratic seats that are in jeopardy, so taking this seat off the table opens up more resources to be used in those races. Crist running for Senate will also make the Governors race competitive, which is arguably a sweeter prize than the Senate seat. The next Florida governor will preside over redistricting and the 2012 presidential election.
So if you are a Democrat in Florida, by all means vote for the whichever Democrat wins the nomination, but don't be too disappointed if Crist wins.
I wonder if Crist might turn more conservative in the Senate as opposed to the Governor's mansion?
Crist will probably get more conservative in the senate if he wants to make a presidential run. If it looks like the GOP is going the way of the dodo bird he will probably switch parties.
His main problem in a presidential run will probably be the gay rumors so unless they have him on video they will stay rumors.
My main problem is his hypocrisy on gay issues if he is gay but I
think he would be better than a hard core conservative.
Seems to me in DC he would be more comfortable as a blue dog democrat. Also the freepers hate him and will do all they can to bring him down with their no more RINO mindset. They would rather have 25 senators than moderate the party.
My big fear would be Crist serving the GOP in two roles.
He would begin making appearances as the face of a new Republican resurgence, without the history and baggage that most of the other Republicans currently carry. He is not particularly energetic or forceful, but is markedly more photogenic than.. say.. Boehner, McConnell, etc.
And he would become yet another member of the self-important supposedly-middle group pulling in Blue Dogs to defeat or water down Democratic legislation. The Bayhs and Nelsons of the Senate love nothing more than a press gathering with 4 Republicans and 4 Democrats, announcing their latest opposition to just about anything. The only think holding them up lately is finding 4 Republicans willing to have a photo taken standing next to a Democrat. Crist would relish that role.
It's not a time for the prevent defense. The Dems should invest in every race they have a chance to win.. and if that means forwarding some interesting footage of Crist and the Florida State men's lacrosse team to his Republican primary opponent.. so be it.
Just a Note: It is 538 days until the 2010 elections!
LOL @ people who think Crist has a shot at the presidency in 2012 or 2016. Does anyone honestly think THIS Republican party and it's conservative nutbase would nominate a guy like Crist? Don't be daft. McCain, who is to the right of Crist, had to put a fringe right-wing lunatic on the ticket just to energize the fundies.
If Obama doesn't piss on progressives and independenst, he will be a two-termer. If Hillary calls it a day, Governor Brian Schweitzer will win 2016 by a landslide.
As for Crist running for the senate. Am I rooting for him? No. But I wouldn't exactly be rooting for the Dem either, regardless if Crist was in the race or not. The top-tier Florida Dems, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Alex Sink, weren't indicating they were running for the seat anyway. At best, Florida would have been a toss-up, seeing as Kendrick Meek and Dan Geil haven't been all that impressive so far. Getting a fairly open-minded moderate Republican, who will vote with the President a shitload more than Mel Martinez or Jeb Bush, and who could concievably switch parties down the line, if the party becomes more unhinged and nutty, isn't a bad traden for a Democratic Florida Governor.
Personally, I always thought Dems had bigger fish to fry in 2010. Now that Pennsylvania is in their pocket 2 years earlier than expected, NH, MO, KY, OH, NC become priorities, with some cleaning up to do in CT and CO. If you were to offer me Crist in the senate in exchange for Andrew Romanoff taking out Michael Bennet, I'd take it.
Also, Dems biggest problem right now is potential primary challenges and trying to figure out who is best equipped to hold onto or gain a senate seat. There are question marks hanging over states that should be a cakewalk for Dems. A few primaries are obviously justified, but a couple probably should be called off. For the latter, I'm thinking Gillibrand. As mentioned n the previous post, I really want to see Michael Bennet ousted by a better, stronger Dem. Colorado can do a lot better than this guy. Bennet should be viewed as a placeholder, nothing more.
That's not to say Republicans don't have primary problems of their own.
Shows you how formidable the Florida Dems running for this seat are. I said Dan Geil, it's Dan Geiber.
Pretty much puts this race into perspective, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm pretty sure Nate's headline wasn't suggesting that the Dems root for Crist to win the election. He was saying the Dems should root for Crist to win the Republican Primary. This would ensure that Rubio, who is more conservative, would not win. Nate is suggesting that if Crist wins the primary, he will certainly win the election and the Dems will have someone to work with. If Rubio wins the primary, there will be a close race that the Dems could lose by a close margin. It's sort of an odd dilemma: go into the race knowing you'll lose to a more moderate Republican (who may or may not vote the party line once seated) or risk losing to a more conservative Republican.
Though, Outrage is getting a lot of media attention, so who knows if that will play out in a significant way for Crist. We'll also see if his party turns their back on him as I suspect they might.
My belief is that Crist and the GOP are pressuring Jeb Bush into running for FL Senate so that Crist can turn around and run for re-election for Gov. Just a stunt. Way too early for making a real life-altering decision. He just got married and would probably like to stay home instead of living mostly in DC, anyway.
-Jeff
It might be good for the Democrats if Crist runs for other reasons...
The Democrats need a viable Republican party in order to remain competitive. Look at what happened to the Republicans when they thought the Democrats were in a death spiral: They became bloated and corrupt. Then, when the nation started to shift, they did whatever it took to stay in power.
And, look what happened to the Democrats back in the 1960s and 1970s, when they were comfortably in the majority (and had a veto proof majority in the Senate too). They became a corrupt, bloated, and bickering party. In the end, they allowed Reagan to become president and then went into a decline that lasted for almost 20 years.
In a two party system, you don't want one of the parties to become unable to win elections. You might enjoy the lack of competition for a few election cycles, but it will end up haunting you in the end.
A Crist victory would prove to the Republicans that if they want to remain competitive, they have to return back to the center in order to win.
The Republicans should be looking at Texas and be very scared. Texas will turn purple and then deep blue in a decade or so. And, without Texas, the Republicans are simply unable to compete as a national party. They will quickly go the way of the Federalists who once it was obvious that they couldn't win a national election, quickly disappeared as a political party.
Maybe there's something I'm missing, but what reason do we have to only look at the 2010-2012 session? Crist would likely stay in the Senate for decades, having a long-reaching conservative influence on a broad range of issues. Why should we only consider these three issues?
I find nearly all of your posts insightful, but I'm just befuddled by your thinking here.
I think the real question here has nothing to do with how Crist would vote in the Senate. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that he'll move to the right once he's there. Certainly almost any Democrat will be more reliable than he will on important issues.
The real issue that his candidacy will pose, however, is that it will force the whacko wing of the Republican Party to make a choice. Do they continue their lust for ideological purity and back a right-wing challenger, using the fairly well documented rumors of Crist's being gay to sink him? Or do they decide that it's more important to hold the seat in Florida, which Crist will almost certainly do for them if they keep their mouths shut?
My money is on the former, and I expect Rubio to win the nomination after a primary campaign that makes Karl Rove look like an ACLU member. And then lose in the general as disgusted independents vote Democratic.
Even if Crist survives the primary, he will have to move to the right in order to win it, and will then be vulnerable in the general to charges of Romneyism when he has to swing back to the left in order to win.
As a general statement, I think Crist is making a huge mistake by running for Senate. He can easily win a second term as Governor and be in a much stronger position to get onto the national ticket than as a Senator.
Crist has made some questionable friends in Florida which could hurt him. One of his biggest campaign contributors is an anti-vaccine activist who has persuaded Crist to make it more difficult to distribute flu vaccines in the state. A St. Petersburg realtor and Crist cash bundler, Gerard Growney, was sued for conspiracy to defraud an elderly Alzheimer's patient. Growney also has a history of domestic battery and drunk driving. Crist is no boy scout, and his political opponents will figure that out sooner rather than later.
Maybe he will dump his beard wife, come out of the closet, become our first openly-gay senator and lead the LGBTQ communities out of the wilderness, bringing us civil rights and equality....what are the odds?
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your analysis of FL is not bad, but for the DEMS you still have the unknown namw wrong - it is GELBER [not Geiber]
still, that further supports your argument...
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Rubio has not a prayer for many resons. 1st he is from So FL/Miami & that alone will not sell in CFL & the North/panhandle areas. 2nd he is latino & FL is not gonna replace Martinez with another, sorry [besides Mel barely won his seat in 2002 in a squeaker]. 3rd, the hard-right tried to run all out against Charlie in 2004 in the GOP primary as 'RINO' & they spread the gay stories widely then - but they failed miserably to knock him off then & will not succeed this time either. Crist has it in the bag I hate to say, and all he has to do is sit Tallahassee.
Plus the RSC already jumped all over Rubio today by endorsing Chain Gang Charlie - so Rubio's access to fundraising is chopped off at the knees. Besides, Marco is a total idiot who was not taken seriously while he was in office...
and ex-State Senators do not win the big ticket positions in FL - check out the historicals. They take 2nd tier pol positions, patronage jobs or become lobbyists or head a new university... Lt governor maybe ???
cilizza suggests that crist is running for the senate because he thinks going head to head with obama in DC is a better way to position himself to run for pres in '12 or '16.
that seems fairly likely and if it's true, crist will be a nightmare, not a moderate vote at all.
and i think this is a nice analysis, but i would like an equal analysis of how meek stands on these issues and how you think he will be voting on them in the US Senate.
my suspicion is that meek will vote the right way 75% of the time, while crist might 25% of the time. and the 50% between them might be pretty important over the years. so, i'm happy that crist is running for senate (because it opens up the gov seat and means he will have a tough primary and general - though he's favored in both), but i would love meek to beat him!
The Florida Constitution provides that governors cannot serve more than 2 CONSECUTIVE terms. Jeb could be back. You heard it here first...
What amoulits and chacy (and probably others said). This is "moderate"? If so, I'd hate to see "conservative". In almost all the positions you ticked off, Crist goes with the standard GOP position. In a nation where the electorate has rejected such philosophies so resoundingly, Crist can hardly be considered moderate.
Crist looks good only by comparison. As a Republican he makes a fairly good Democrat in the sense of not being as rabid as your typical Republican (see Rubio for an example). When he first came on the political scene he earned the nickname "Chain Gang Charlie" because he wanted prisoners out working on the highways in striped prisoner garb. It was viewed then, and now, as political grandstanding. He has good hair, a good tan, and even better dental work, and I for one won't miss him when he's gone. By the way, I think the "gay" rumor is just a rumor - old-fashioned slandering political b.s.
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