4.28.2009

What Kind of Democrat Will Arlen Specter Be?

My first take on Arlen Specter's defection to the Democratic Party was rather skeptical. Although the move is undoubtedly quite psychologically damaging for the GOP, there is room to question how much it will actually change the way that the sausage gets made in the Congress. If, for example, Arlen Specter is a Ben Nelson kind of Democrat, voting against initiatives like EFCA while driving an extremely hard bargain on health care, it is hard to see how Democrats gain, since there is little to distinguish a Ben Nelson type of Democrat from an Arlen Specter type of Republican.

I've now had the chance to examine the data on party-switching in more detail. When Congressmen have changed parties in the past, this has generally been accompanied by relatively material changes in their voting patterns -- thus, Democrats have ample reason to be pleased. Nevertheless, odds are that Specter will line up squarely in the conservative half of the Democratic caucus and will probably leave room to his left for a primary challenge.

Since 1980, according to Wikipedia, 20 Congressmen (16 Representatives and 4 Senators) have switched from one party to the other. The vast majority of these switches -- 17 of 20 -- were from the Democratic Party to the Republicans, mostly among conservative Southern Democrats in the 1980s and early 90s. Only Specter, Long Island Representative Michael Forbes and Jim Jeffords have gone the other way. I classify these Congressmen, by the way, by which party they caucused with regardless of how cute they tried to get about the label attached to their name. Thus Jeffords is treated as going from Republican to Democrat even though he still called himself an independent, whereas Joe Lieberman is not classified as a party-switcher because he never ceased caucusing with the Democrats.

I then looked up DW-NOMINATE data for each of these party switchers. DW-NOMINATE is a liberal-conservative classification which has conveniently assigned scores to each Congressman in each Congress from the 18th Century onward. DW-NOMINATE scores generally run from -1 for an extremely liberal Congressman to +1 for an extremely conservative one (although ratings slightly greater than 1 or less than -1 are possible under exceptional circumstances). The ratings for a select group of Senators in the 110th Congress follow below.



A "typical" Congressman from each party will usually have a scores of about ±.4 or ±.5. Members with scores of ±.55 and higher can usually be thought of as being quite liberal or quite conservative, whereas moderates will usually receive scores of about ±.35 and lower. Democrats, by the way, can receive positive scores and Republicans negative ones, although this didn't occur for any Senators in the 110th. Specter's score was +.091, making him the third least-conservative Republican after Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

The next step was to look up the DW-NOMINATE scores for the party-switchers, comparing their figures in the Congresses that came both immediately before and immediately after the party change:



All of the party-switchers moved toward the direction of their (new) party caucus after making the change, although with somewhat varying degrees of magnitude. California's Matthew Martinez, for instance, who had not been an exceptionally moderate Democrat, turned all the way into a rather run-of-the-mill Republican. On the other end of the spectrum, you'd have had to look pretty hard to find issues on which Congressman Gene Atkinson of Pennsylvania was voting differently after becoming a Republican in 1981.

The average magnitude of the change was ±.394 points, with about two-thirds of the cases somewhere between ±.3 and ±.5.

What does this mean for Specter? If we take his rating of +.091 from the 110th Congress and subtract .394 points from it, we come up with a -.303. That would make him similar to Tim Johnson (-.282), Blanche Lincoln (-.297), Kent Conrad (.315) or Joe Liberman (-.333). Bob Casey Jr,, by contrast, Specter's colleague from Pennsylvania, rates as a -.401, whereas the average Democratic senator in the 110th Congress was a -.441.

There are both aggravating and mitigating circumstances that may affect Specter's positioning. On the one hand, he seems to have made the switch more or less unabashedly for electoral reasons, even alluding to the polling in his statement today. This suggests that he'll be no more and no less Democratic than he can get away with. On the other hand, the parties are now more polarized than they once were, and so crossing the aisle may mean more than it once did. Prior to this party-switch, Specter's DW-NOMINATE scores had gradually been moving away from the center as it had become harder to stake out a position as a moderate Republican.

65 comments

tzjames said...

Krugman stole your "death spiral" analogy:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/the-specter-of-republican-marginalization/

Bradford said...

...and having someone moderating the Democratic agenda is a GOOD thing. Become a dem Olympia, the water is fine. We have a big tent and read the constitution correctly...broadly on all counts...

Justin Strekal said...

Nate, for the averages that you worked out rating dems .441 and rep's .444, are those congress-wide or just in the Senate to rank those listed?

Tom said...

Notice that Sanders, an honest to Pete card carrying socialist, is only three-quarters down the liberal side of things while Coburn is four fifths off the other side? Is it unfair, do you think, to conclude that Coburn is more a fascist than Sanders is a communist?

Dwight said...

This certainly will put Ms. Snowe on the bubble, now having less cover from paryt reprisals for riding the center from the GOP side of this.

RufusRules said...

Nate's gonna run out of shelf space for all these awards he's getting. (Photos here.)

Congratulations!

Chris said...

Hang on.

Does this not give the Democrats a filibuster proof Senate? Without Franken there are only 99 senators. 60% of 99 is 59.4. Is 59 not enough?

andrew said...

Wikipedia? Really? Really?

Alex S. said...

Well, let's see how he votes on EFCA. He says "it's a bad bill", but the bill can be changed (a little).

Shane said...

@tzjames, no offense to Nate, but its hardly a novel idea, whatever name you like to call it.

Personally, I've been saying they are stuck in a feedback loop... OF DEATH!

Pragmatus said...

What Kind of Democrat Will Arlen Specter Be?

That's simple—an incumbent Democrat.

Gavstern said...

Chris,

59.4 is less than 60.
59.999 is less than 60.

It has to be 60. No less, no rounding.

e3323 said...

I predict that the 2010 senate partisan ranking will put him in between Bob Casey and Jim Webb.

PA is a light blue state...so he has to be more liberal than Byah and Nelson. Hes a democrat now and dems in PA need to turn out Phili in big numbers....phili democrats wont be excited about a evan bayh democrat.

He's a for real democrat...so he needs to be more liberal than joe lieberman (to win the democratic nomination)

here's how I would place where i predict the new specter will be:

liberal democrat (ex: Boxer)
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generic democrat (ex: Tom Harkin)
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moderate democrat (ex: bob casey)
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Arlen Specter -
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conservative democrat (ex: Landriey, Bayh, Nelson)

Michael said...

Arlen is the ultimate political whore. That he sits on the D side means nothing. Specter always has been for Specter, first, last and always.

I can only hope that they democrats primary him out in 2010

justsomeguy said...

Nate can get all the awards he wants, he needs to keep US!

Specter's move calls on Steele and Limbaugh to play the next card - do they want to alienate all the moderates like or will Boehner and friends wake up and quit with the tea parties. In the end it is all good for dems, as very likely Fox News and Ayles go further right with Limbaugh and "psycho" Beck and the Dems build a generational party. Here's hoping...

justsomeguy said...

"Arlen is the ultimate political whore"

You are kidding, right? Arlen is true to his convictions and repubs used to be a party of something other than just nutballs. All that is left are the southern uneducated crazies! Let them secede! They will be more third world than first world in one generation, maybe less.

Steven said...

Nate,

You reported that a pollster met with a white woman in deep rural PA,who, after asking her husband what she thought, replied, "We're voting for the nigger!" and that reply said it all about Specter shifting parties.

justsomeguy said...

NYTimes, who needs you?

Looks like Beau Biden might hand Delaware to the repubs in 2010 in the Senate, and ?Joe might hand the VP to Rahm...

http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/bronte_capital_with_a_major_sc.php

Patty Hose said...

This may be the beginning of the repudiation the knuckle-dragging, xenophobic, racist, violent, bat shit crazy, theocratic thugs who have hijacked the Republican Party so deserve.

It’s time to corner and marginalize the loonies and get on with the business of fixing the mess they’ve made.

e3323 said...

Also...does this reflect on Steele at all? Let's not forget when he threatened to support primary challengers to beat specter and the two from maine.

Nemo said...

NATE TO BE ON RACHEL MADDOW TONIGHT!

donnaS said...

Isn't passing health care reform more important than ECFA?

PorridgeGun said...

From the White House:

"In the morning, the President, the Vice President, and Senator Arlen Specter will address the media in the Diplomatic Room... Immediately following the meeting, the President will depart the White House to travel to St. Louis, Missouri.",



As ever, the President's primetime preser tomorrow evening should be interesting.

Berkeley Bear in Illinois said...

I suspect Specter will be more liberal on healthcare than Nate's worst case scenario. His own cancer battles have made him more empathetic with our system and its failures (at least when he goes on interviews). His push for MORE funding for the NIH was attacked as pork, but it was still a push in the right direction. When Franken gets in before October, and with Snowe and Collins broadly on board, it may not even take reconciliation to get a good bill (not a perfect one - that ain't happening) passed.

PorridgeGun said...

There's been some talk regarding Olympia Snowe's future. But what about Charlie Crist? Sure he'd easily win Florida's open senate, but why would he want to be part of an increasingly unhinged fringe far-right minority? Wouldn't he prefer to stay a popular Governor? The Teabagger Party aren't likely to change their tune anytime soon, and Crist isn't a heavyweight in the party who could possibly re-shape the party and move it to centre. Presumably he'd vote with President Obama a shitload more than the departing Mel Martinez anyway.


BTW, Florida's Democratic bench isn't exactly deep, so this wouldn't be a huge loss if Crist won it. If he stay Governor, it becomes a toss-up.

beavis said...

I think Sen. Snowe is next. Her comments today spoke of disappointment in the Republican party and said 'them', as if she is an outsider.

Nate,

You need to spend some money on how to appear on camera. You look like a nervous wretch with a bad comb-over. I hate to say it, but it distracts from your intelligent remarks.

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Valpey said...

I can't tell you how much I like that you had a knee-jerk reaction, formulated a hypothesis, ran numbers to test it, found that they contradicted your initial position, and changed your mind.

Why does that seem so rare?

RufusRules said...

@ beavis:

Baloney. Nate is smokin'. Leave the perfect hair and makeup to Olbermann.

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EmonOkari said...

Or Nate could just be himself. And we can all learn to focus on what someone says, instead of how their hair looks.

Eludication said...

Note that Russ Feingold, whom I adore, actually comes in at a -1.093. He literally (or at least numerically) makes Bernie Sanders look like Claire McCaskill.

Eludication said...

Also, Nate is smokin', seconded.

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grinder said...

I suspect Specter will be more liberal on healthcare than Nate's worst case scenario. His own cancer battles have made him more empathetic with our system and its failures<>

If he's "more empathetic with our system," then he would be LESS liberal on healthcare. Use a damn dictionary, would you?

Lord Calvert said...

One of the major reasons for party switching in the past (particularly in the 60s and 70s) is because what was considered to be "conservative" radically changed. The Republicans started shying away from the limited-government Goldwater-conservatives and adopted the values, and more importantly the voters, of the group that was once their lifelong enemies...hyper-religious totalitarian southern whites and by the time Reagan came into power, they were in firm control of the Party.

What is happening now are the consequences of that group dominating the Party for nearly 30 years. The limited-government libertarians have been wholly shunted aside and are now realizing that it is the Democrats who are more in line with their values. That is why we're starting to see what were once core areas of conservatism such as Maine, New Hampshire, upstate New York, rural Pennsylvania, the upper Midwest, the Mountain West (excepting the Mormon Triangle of Utah, Idaho and Wyoming) and inland California beginning to turn Democratic...areas that do not share the totalitarian ideology of the Bible Belt. The rift is becoming so deep that McCain was in very serious danger of losing his home state because he was appeasing the religious wing of his party too strongly. My own Upstate New York was once a GOP stronghold. Now they only have two congressmen there and they were lucky to get that. The GOP has lost the districts of Jack Kemp and Amo Houghton for the foreseeable future. Houghton's district was even expressly gerrymandered to be a safe Republican district. They still lost it because Randy Kuhl tried to vote like a Southern Baptist preacher and it ticked off his voters.

The longer the GOP continues to cater to only the religious wing of the party, the more the GOP will resemble Wallace's AIP in both in regional support and politics. They are making themselves irrelevant on a national scale because they have lost the ability to compromise.

counsellorben said...

e3323 said "PA is a light blue state...so [Specter] has to be more liberal than Byah and Nelson.  Hes a democrat now and dems in PA need to turn out Phili in big numbers....phili democrats wont be excited about a evan bayh democrat."Sorry, e3323, but Specter is a shoo-in to win the Democratic primary in 2010, and extremely likely to win the 2010 general.

State Rep. Josh Shapiro, a rapidly rising star in the Pennsylvania Democratic Party, was quick to announce that he would not run in the 2010 primary (and he had not yet officially announced that he would run).  This is a good indicator that Specter will not face any serious opposition in the 2010 Democratic primary.

Also, Specter is very highly regarded throughout Pennsylvania, even in the Philadelphia region.  If you look back to 2004, Specter lost the Philadelphia region to Joe Hoeffel by only about 170,000 votes, as opposed to Kerry's huge victory over Bush of over 400,000 votes in the Philadelphia region.  Specter's performance would have been even better, but Joe Hoeffel is best-known in the Philadelphia region (and is now a County Commissioner in Montgomery County, PA).

Finally, Pennsylvania voter registrations since November 2008 have continued to reflect an increase in Democratic registration, and a decrease in Republican registration.

Put all of these factors in the mix, along with Specter's popularity throughout the rest of Pennsylvania, and the only conclusion is that Specter is the odds-on favorite (his health permitting).

PeixeGato said...

What's really amazing is the shrinkage of the Repubs on a geographic basis. Specter has left Snowe and Collins stranded on an island at the northeastern most point of the US. As of today, those two (plus the retiring Repub in NH) are the ONLY Repub Senators left in the geographic region that begins in Maine, has a western boundary that runs to the west of PA and WV and a southern boundary that runs on the southern edge of VA.

If you look toward 2010 elections and flip NH, MO, KY, OH, FL, and NC (all states in Nate's top 10 likeliest to flip), keep CT blue (I just don't see it going Repub in the end), then you come up with a scenario in which the repubs have just 6 Senate seats in the geographic region that goes from Maine in the northeast all the way out to ND and SD to the west, then cuts in and dips down to include IA, MO, and AR, cuts back up to EXCLUDE MS and TN, then cuts east to INCLUDE KY, VA, and NC and then throw in the "island" of Florida. This is a region that has a total of 54 Senators. On top of that, they have NO Senate representation on the west coast.

I just find this fascinating! At this point, the ONLY strategy the repubs have is to say NO to everything and then sit back and pray for the Dems to screw up and for their policies to fail. Given the lack of leadership in the party, this non-strategy strategy seems quite fitting.

Then again, when you look at what would be left after 2010, they aren't likely to shrink any further (most of remaining repubs would be from very RED states), so they look at it as hitting "bottom".

This will be quite interesting to look back upon 30 years from now.

PeixeGato said...

Oh, and Nate, those glasses are all wrong for your face. And please, fire your hair stylist. The comb-over is not working.

Let's face it, TV is just as much about what you look like as it is what you have to say (if not more). Just look at MSNBC's morning line-up. I love MSNBC, but damn, the bubble heads they have in the morning are painful to watch and listen to.

Mike in Maryland said...

PeixeGato said...
If you look toward 2010 elections and flip NH, MO, KY, OH, FL, and NC (all states in Nate's top 10 likeliest to flip), keep CT blue.

It might be clearer to state it in this manner:

Every state that borders on the Mississippi River and every state East of those states number 31, for a total of 62 Senators. If all the states you mentioned flip (not improbable), there will be a total of 12 Senators in those states with an 'R' designating party label. Of those 12, only two would be from states that were not part of the CSA (Lugar-Indiana; McConnel-Kentucky).

I think that starts to give a clearer picture how geographically limited and isolated the GOOPers are becoming.

Mike in Maryland

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Paul from Santa Fe said...

Statler, thanks for posting that good article by Wayne Besen. I've thought some about the issue he raises about people who insist they support equal rights for the GLBT community but still draw the line at gay marriage. Some of them are no doubt bigots despite their protestations, but I think many of them are simply victims of linguistic dissonance. They have a meaning for the word "marriage" in their mental lexicons, and it seems so obvious and fundamental to them that it means "a man and a woman" that they can't give it up readily. They react as they would if some group of ranchers insisted that from now on horses should be called "cattle."

This can and will change with time, just as people a while back learned a new meaning for "gay."

mcc said...

hyper-religious totalitarian southern whites... dominating the Party for nearly 30 years. The limited-government libertarians have been wholly shunted aside and are now realizing that it is the Democrats who are more in line with their values. That is why we're starting to see what were once core areas of conservatism such as... Pennsylvania... beginning to turn DemocraticLord Calvert: Would you describe what happened today in Pennslyvania (that is: Arlen Specter being pushed from R to D due to a looming primary challenge by the Club for Growth) as being part of the process you describe of "hyper-religious southern whites" driving "small government libertarians" out of the party?

mcc said...

...why is it that every time I italicize a paragraph on this site, it eats all the linebreaks until the next paragraph? I even previewed this time.

Mike in Maryland said...

A correction to my prior post:

There are 14 Senators in the stats touching the Mississippi and East - I forgot to add in the two Senators from Maine.

Mike in Maryland

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Mike in Maryland said...

mcc,

You need to insert some character after the HTML tag and before the return, then enter the return.

The way I've found best is when the quoted material has a punctuation mark, enter the HTML tag just prior to the final punctuation mark, then enter the normal returns you normally enter.

Mike in Maryland

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Opus 132 said...

@ mcc and Mike in Maryland

Or hit the space bar once before you hit the return key.

justsomeguy said...

God, I hope Olympia Snowe switches. This phenomenal speech she gave about Specter leaving hits every correct note that would allow the repubs to become viable again - luckily Rush, Hannity, and Beck are unlikely to allow the party to move to the center.

GREAT speech:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/opinion/29snowe.html?_r=1

Rick said...

To stick my 2 cents into this, I find it's a win-win for Dems. This declaration by Specter is going to further hurt the Republicans, not in the eyes of the base they already had secured but instead in the eyes of the folks right, left and dead middle of the center. The republican party is abandoning the middle ground and this only serves to make that fact more obvious.

On the questions of Specter's re-electionability. First off, by his wording and the various other comments I'd say that short of health concerns he's going to run for the re-election. I don't see what he'd get out of thumbing his nose at the Republicans and retiring in this fashion. He might as well just vote as he sees fit while remaining in the party if he wants to do that. Given it was assumed by most all sides that his problem was in winning the Republican Primary and not the General election and that while running as a Republican in a light blue state, giving him the support of the Democratic leadership and more incentive for the moderate Republicans to follow him through registering as Dems themselves, his chances of surviving the election should be quite high. His main threat was in losing the Primary because the vast majority of the general election voters that would vote for him aren't Republicans any more and so couldn't weigh in on the issue. As an indie he'd have almost certainly faced a Democrat Socialist (sorry, had to at least once) contender that would have cost him many of the votes on the left and center left side and I imagine would throw the contest into doubt at the least. In addition, Arlen Specter was quite open and up front about his reasons for leaving and where he still stands. This drastically undercuts the Republican response outside of the base. Their contradictory reactions certainly do not help their cause either.

As to the Democrats accepting him I have to say it's a smart move on their part. PA isn't a liberal state so it's unlikely you'd have managed to elect a highly liberal Dem. You can bet that given the fact it's already been stated that the Dem primary path is cleared for him there was back room bargains made in this decision. Biden and others have been leaning on him to do this for some time now. It's true there are a few areas such as the labor bill where he has positioned himself against the Democratic stance. However, on most he's also given himself some wiggle room where certain changes can induce a change in his vote which is what I think any smart politician should do in similiar situations. If you aren't opposed to the entire concept why not state what would need to change in order to get your vote to follow suit? Anyways, those issues aside, look at all of the other areas where he is either unopinionated or else already supporting the Dems. Health Care is a major example. Had he remained in the Republican Party he'd have been facing increasing pressure to aid fillibuster attempts and vote against these policies he actually supports as well as the ones he doesn't care about either way. Now instead he's free to vote his conscience on those and will be getting the pressure to vote with the Dems on the others. Sure, he'll no doubt use his position to try to wrangle concessions he wants out of the Dems, but so do other conservative minded Democrats so what's the big deal? If he's half as weasely and survival minded as those with more familiarity indicate, then he's more likely to toe the Dem line because that's what the state electorate want of him as a general whole and he's burned his bridge with the Republican Party, at least in his life time given his current age. If he were doing this at the age of 30-40 (in fact he did by leaving the dems for the repubs 40 years prior) then a few decades down the road it can be revisited if the situation changes but at 80, he's got likely one, at most 2 more terms ahead of him so his options are to stay with the Dems or step out entirely I'd imagine.

Honestly, I feel that having the conservative view point present in the debates is a very good thing as it keeps the process more honest. I hate to rain on the progressive parade, but the country as a whole isn't nearly so liberal as you may wish it to be just yet. For the moment at least a moderated, though not necessarily fully Moderate path is the best path to success. Please bear in mind that Obama wasn't elected in a huge vote landslide against a centrist Republican candidate, which would clearly indicate an electorate in strong favor of a liberal agenda. Instead he was strongly elected against a policy short McCain who was clearly giving into the far right base and the scary VP selection of a clueless, seemingly vindictive representative of the religious right.

One last point. Given the short sightedness of the Republican "leadership" at this point I expect them to backlash on Snow and any others that might be showing any signs of independant thought. This in turn will increase their desire to leave the party. If not now, then a bit futher down the road, particularly if the Repubs continue the threats to primary out anyone that doesn't toe the line they set forth. Simply put I view this as both a short and long term win all around for the Dems, particularly as they appear to be getting their game plan from Obama and the White House and we know that man can set down some good solid long term strategy. We may not always agree with each and every decision he makes, nor how he approaches various debates/questions but its worked out for him so far and I'm willing to give him the continued benefit of the doubt until his actions lose him that benefit.

Rick from Ohio

Chris Of Rights said...

He has to move to the left.

Let's be honest with ourselves. He did this out of concern for his own political future. He wants to be re-elected in 2010. Period. There's no other reason behind it.

Ok, well, let's look at that, then. In 2004, his Democrat opponent got 43% of the vote. These 43% aren't likely to be very enthusiastic about Specter. Let's say the teacher's union was against him in '04 (I don't know if they were). They're unlikely to change their position in '10. Without a movement to the left, his support from the left is going to be tepid at least.

Also, he needs to generate money, and fast. Toomey's bringing in lots of cash. Specter's already in a hole because he's going to actually have to give back some of what he's taken in. And who's going to donate to him? Campaign contributors tend to be among your most partisan constituents. Is he going to get much money from his former contributors? Unlikely. How about from the left? Again, unlikely, unless he moves to the left.

Yes, the DSCC will pump some money into this campaign, probably quite a bit of it. They would have in any case, to defeat Toomey. But, so will the RSCC, so that's unlikely to help much.

Prediction? Toomey outspends Specter by a hefty margin and this election is much closer than our so called experts are predicting at the moment.

moondancer said...

Toomey and his fringe message are so unpopular that he couldn't win his old congressional seat back right now. State-wide? He'll get crushed by more than twenty points...by anyone. Maybe thirty by Specter. I have no use for Specter, but Toomey? Ron Paul will be president before Toomey wins an election.

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polls_apart said...

Wasn't PA the "swing" state which McCain insisted he had a chance to win? The final margin was a bit over 10 points there for Obama. I find it highly ironic that this political conversion drama is playing out in PA.

Berkeley Bear in Illinois said...

Grinder,

I chose the word empathetic purposefully. I'd suggest you consult a dictionary. Empathy is not an indication one is in agreement with the feelings and position of another (that is sympathy), but that one understands the feelings and positions of another, and therefore can relate to the others position. One can empathize and yet seek change.

To give you an example, people who sympathize with drug users tend to support their habits (aka enablers). Those who empathize with them understand the struggle but also know just how destructive the behavior is and support treatment.

According to Specter's public comments, he has seen how the system works (and doesn't) and is therefore sensitized to the need for improvement both from the perspective of providers and patients. He can empathize with the experience of participants in the system and hence is empathetic to the existing system. That doesn't mean he likes it.

Glad to know you were so moved by my comments that you felt the need to insult me, and in doing so demonstrate your lack of comprehension.

PeteKent said...

It seems that the Dems are clearly going to get a chance to govern from a fairly left wing position and that the checks and balances on majority rule have all but evaporated.

Two things are the great imponderables: (1) how the public takes to that agenda and (2) whether the Dems will get punished for the state of the economy in 2010 or be hailed as geniuses.

Today's dire and unexpectedly bad 1Q GDP report shows an economy that will continue to limp along for the foreseeable future. At best only the moneyed crowd will do well (what a surprise!), while the working folk struggle. Do not be mislead by Obama's stim-u-less bill: it delivers very little in the way of productive stimulus and nothing to repair tattered individual and company balance sheets.

As far as the policy prescriptions go, Obama will be aided by unfettered power in the House and Senate to achieve in the short run whatever he wants. His agenda is so misguided and little understood that it is likely to cause confusion and alarm as the details become manifest and people feel the impact on their lives of Obama's experiment in Euro style socialism. It is conceit to think that the victory in November was anything other than a personal victory for Obama. With the great mass of people, he took pains to conceal his true self. Witness all the gnashing of teeth on the right as what we feared comes to pass.

Much the same point was made by Dick Morris in his latest column which you can link to on DRUDGE.

Pedulums swing in politics. This one is swinging faster than most.

Remember: this recession is Obama's Iraq War and as it lingers its pain will be felt deeply and personally.

Keep watching the economic reports of you want to know the fate of Obama and his agenda.

petekent01 (follow me on twitter)

Ken "The Falconer" Mortimer said...

Nate, I think you've missed a more obvious nation for changes in the DW-NOMINATE scores of members switching parties - party discipline. Indeed, it exists, no matter what Keith Krehbiel says.

The degree to which the switchers toed the party line of the old party in roll call votes is debatable; however, to obtain and maintain status with the new party, some level of discipline should be expected. That is, you vote with your new party more often to achieve plum committee appointments. The political climate will certainly temper such swings, but I think much of what you say can be attributed to the discipline.

Krehbiel would probably counter that the change in parties reflects the switcher's policy preferences over party considerations; but one would have to ask, if preferences alone drove the voting behavior of the switcher, why it would be necessary to switch parties just to cast the same votes?

Ken "The Falconer" Mortimer said...

@ PeteKent Pedulums swing in politics. This one is swinging faster than most.

It is continuing to swing against the Republicans. Venezuela is polling better than the GOP among Americans.

Which the Republicans continue to sit-n-spin, Democrats are making sizable progress economically and politically. While the quarterly numbers are down for the economy, consumer confidence is rising. Americans sense the country is heading in the right direction.

Absent any stimulus package at all, the appearance of doing the right things may be just as important to restoring the economy as doing the right things. The stimulus will just be icing on the cake.

Lord Calvert said...

Would you describe what happened today in Pennslyvania (that is: Arlen Specter being pushed from R to D due to a looming primary challenge by the Club for Growth) as being part of the process you describe of "hyper-religious southern whites" driving "small government libertarians" out of the party?

@mcc - I think you might have misinterpreted my statement. I did not necessarily mean that individual politicians have been switching their parties because of the change in what is considered "liberal" and "conservative" although that has undoubtedly happened in some instances. What I do mean is that many limited-government conservative voters have most definitely changed the party they are supporting because the GOP has abandoned those principles in favor of the Christian-supremacist totalitarianism of the Deep South and the former Dixiecrats. That is why we have seen such vast swings of support from the GOP to the Dems in areas that were once the core of the limited-government libertarian movement, particularly in the rural northeast and the mountain west. Specter wants to take advantage of that shift.

In a way, he's not really leaving the Republican Party...the Republicans left him and other Goldwater-conservatives long ago.

Mike in Maryland said...

Rick said...
faced a Democrat Socialist (sorry, had to at least once). . . .

Rick?

Haven't you heard?

Saul Anuzis, former chair of the Michigan Republican Party, told The New York Times that (from a [Detroit] Metro Times report "calling Obama a "big spender' and a "liberal" just wasn't working, so it was time to up the ante. Even the dreaded "socialist" tag wasn't scoring enough negativity points. Which is why the fascist scare tactics began surfacing."

http://www.metrotimes.com/news/story.asp?id=13909

So get with the program! The GOOPers can no longer scare people enough by calling the Democrats 'socialists' anymore; the new scare term is to call them 'FASCISTS'!

Mike in Maryland

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PeteKent said...

@Ken (657)

Nate points out in a later post how silly it is to compare VZ with the GOP, about as sensible as comparing Turkey to the Dems.

The rest of what you write is just your wishful thinking. Little progress has been made -- Other than Stim -U-Less and SCHIP little has been accomplished this year and the impact of those laws is far from clear.

GDP remains in freefall. The situation is really quite dire. Nearly 2 million Americans have lost their jobs since Obama took office. Consumer confidence will be the last shoe to drop as the many who are clueless begin to wake up to what the productive class already knows: we are stuck in the toilet.

Obama is the most anti-busn Prez we have had in modern history. He has no faith in private enterprise or entrepreneurship. Those companies and people that supplie 90% of America's jobs are singularly not confident of their futures under Obama and are keeping their powder dry. This economy will remain stagnant until Obama can reverse this.

"Doing the right things"? By whose lights? Obama is hellbent on trashing all that has come before him, casting aspersion on our country's history and not defending it against the calumny of the venial. If by "doing the right thing" you mean bowing before the Moslem King and giving bro hugs to the Dictator of Latin America, thn he sure is doing it!

The media keeps singing the falsehood of the GOP being bereft of ideas and alternatives and you happily come in on the chorus. Read Mark Hemmingway at National Review On Line (link at RCP).

The sense some detect that Americans feel the country is heading in the right direction will turn to bewilderment as unemployment spikes above 10% and stays at historically high levels through out Obama's presidency.

2010 will be a rout and the GOP will appear resurgent.

Obama will be gone in 2012.

And so it goes . . .

I will say this: You are quite ill-informed, but you got the party line down!

Eludication said...

Until the advent of comments sections on the Internet, I never would have believed it was possible to be glib and functionally illiterate at the same time. PeteKents of the world, I doff my cap.

Ken "The Falconer" Mortimer said...

@PeteKent The rest of what you write is just your wishful thinking.

And all of what you write is a sad combination of fantasy and impotence.