4.15.2009

How Many Attended The Tea Parties?

Below is a VERY long (but far from comprehensive) list of crowd size estimates at today's Tea Party protests across the country. I've tried to take estimates provided by reporters or police officials only, rather than estimates provided by the organizers or attendees themselves, although surely this is an imperfect science. I've also tried to avoid taking any data from explicitly partisan (including left-leaning partisan) news sources. Collectively, these reports account for an attendance of 111,899.

Denver, CO - 5,000
Olympia, WA - 4,500 (average of two estimates)
Oklahoma City, OK - 4,000
Lansing, MI - 4,000
Vero Beach, FL - 3,500
Sacramento, CA - 3,500 (average of two estimates)
Columbia, SC - 3,300
Tulsa, OK - 3,200
Hartford, CT - 3,000
Sioux Falls, SD - 3,000
Naples, FL - 3,000 (two events)
Annapolis, MD - 2,750 (average of two estimates)
Boise, ID - 2,500
Chattanooga, TN - 2,000
Stuart, FL - 2,000
Cincinnati, OH - 2,000
Tucson, AZ - 2,000
Huntsville, AL - 2,000
Des Monies, IA - 2,000 (average of two estimates)
Troy, MI - 2,000
Carson City, NV - 2,000
Augusta, GA - 1,700
Austin, TX - 1,500
Salem, OR - 1,500 (average of two estimates)
Wheeling, WV - 1,200
Washington, DC - 1,000
Fort Collins, CO - 1,000
Kansas City, MO - 1,000
Baxter, AR - 1,000
Lisle, IL - 1,000
Plymouth, MI - 1,000
Des Moines, IA - 1,000
Mobile, AL - 1,000
Ocala, FL - 1,000
West Palm Beach, FL - 1,000
Salt Lake City, UT - 1,000
Greensboro, NC 1,000
New Haven, CT - 1,000
Montgomery, AL - 1,000
Natrona, WY - 1,000
Albany, NY - 1,000
Loveland, CO - 1,000
Ventura, CA - 1,000
Wichita, KS - 1,000
Fresno, CA - 1,000
Joplin, MO - 1,000
Baton Rouge, LA - 1,000
Gilbert, AZ - 900
Winston-Salem, NC - 900
Abilene, TX - 800
Wichita Falls, TX - 800
Virginia Beach, VA - 650
Morristown, NJ - 600 (average of three estimates)
Yakima, WA - 600
Charleston, WV - 550 (average of two estimates)
Billings, MT - 500
Piscataway, NJ - 500
Port St. Lucie, FL - 500
Boston, MA - 500
Corpus Christi, TX - 500
Santa Rosa, CA - 500
Naperville, IL - 500
Southlake, TX - 500
Duluth, MN - 500
Missoula, MT - 500
Fort Smith, AR - 500
Springfield, IL - 400
Livonia, MI - 400
Champaign, IL - 400
Elba, AL - 400
Valdosta, GA - 400
Syracuse, NY - 400
Modesto, CA - 400
Chillicothe, OH - 400
Bethlehem, PA - 300
Friendswood, TX - 300
Camdenton, MO - 300
Cheyenne, WY - 300
Joliet, IL - 300
Massapequa, NY - 300
Goldsboro, NC - 300
Ashtabula, OH - 275
Chelsea, MI - 250
Glendale, CA - 250
Hannibal, MO - 200
Seguin, TX - 200
Rockford, IL - 200
Flemington, NJ - 200
Palmer Township, PA - 200
Ann Arbor, MI - 200
Youngstown, OH - 200
Fayetteville, GA - 200
Scranton, PA - 200
Rowlett, TX - 200
Dekalb, AL - 200
Cody, WY - 200
Ada, OK - 200
Superior, WI - 200
Philadelphia, PA - 200
Buffalo, NY - 150
Baltimore, MD - 150
Kalispell, MT - 150
Omaha, NE - 150
Council Bluffs, NE - 150
Albany, OR - 140
Camden, NY - 100
Evansville, IN - 100
Oak Harbor, WA - 100
Meridian, MS - 100
Cedar Rapids, IA - 100
Gastonia, NC - 100
Bristol, TN - 100
Greenville, TN - 100
Shelton, CT - 100
Plattsburgh, NY - 100
Milwaukee, WI - 80
Chester, NY - 80
Newark, NJ - 50
Napa, CA - 50
North Platte, NE - 50
Frisco, CO - 50
Pataskala, OH - 30
Green Cove Springs, FL - 30
Lake City, WA - 24
Bound Book, NJ - 20
Lincoln, NE - 20

Are these figures impressive? I'd say they're reasonably impressive. Then again, 111,899 isn't much more than the number who attend a typical University of Michigan football game or who attended a single Barack Obama rally in Portland, Oregon last year.

But, the list is far from complete. This covers 126 rallies, whereas the most common figure I've seen is that there were about 750 such protests nationwide -- about six times more than we've accounted for.

So, can we simply multiply the estimate by six to estimate the overall number of attendees across the country, which would imply that about 670,000 tea-baggers?

That strikes me as pretty bad idea, because there is a statistical bias in which rallies are reported upon -- more successful rallies in larger areas are liable to draw more reporters, and thereby show up in news feeds, etc. Although there are a few large rallies (Atlanta, for example) where there aren't yet hard numbers to account for, I'd imagine that most of the "missing" protests in the long tail drew relatively small numbers -- 20, 50, 100, 200 people. My hunch is that the overall attendance figure nationwide is probably something like 250,000, but that's just a guess.

The other weird thing about these numbers is how little correlation there seems to be between the size of the rally and the size of that city's population -- the Olympia, Washington event drew about 20 times more people than Philadelphia's; twice as many showed up in Baxter, Arkansas as in Boston. These rallies appear to be drawing disproportionately from rural areas, which is one reason why, although the cumulative attendance figure is impressive, there doesn't appear to have been any one single place where the protesters gathered (say) 15,000 people together.

201 comments

Saving Hawaii said...

First!

trljjl03 said...

you have Superior listed as Superior, MN. I think you meant Superior, WI.

jampacked said...

I'd be interested in seeing a real data table instead of a largest->smallest list. For instance - total number of protesters per state, per city, and their relationship to the population of the region. Finding where the largest events were and the overall estimate of attendees is nice, but largely boring (mostly because, as you pointed out, this summer saw rallies many multitudes the size of any single one here).

HuskerRedDemBlue said...

does anyone else think its funny that this protest against inflationary government policy happened on the same day that the CPI reported the first year of deflation since 1955

LFC said...

Percent that are just pissed off that Obama won, and are really just bitching and whining? I'll guess 92%.

Kevin said...

Missing from this analysis:

If you consider the fact that Faux News publicized these events for weeks -- this turnout is awful.

Think about how much money it would cost to have that level of national advertising -- then think about what that money should translate to in terms of turnout.


I say, final evaluation: weak.

Josh said...

Bakersfield, CA -- 150
(you can check the story in the Californian.)

Derek said...

In regards to Philadelphia, the weather was absolutely terrible today. I have to imagine that that played a role in the numbers on parts of the East coast.

mikelow1885 said...

Sacramento must have had the largest crowd in California, and there's all thistalk about California being the anti-tax spawning ground again, after the latest tax increases. Probably the Sacramento crowd came from the surrounding areas, which are very conservative. It's quite a transformation in California, from a north-south divide to a coastal-inland divide mostly.

All in all, for all the free promotion from Fox, I'd say this was something of a dud.

Mike said...

I'd just like to give out props to the intern (maybe more than one?) that must have put all that data together. That's quite an impressive list.

mcc said...

I wonder if you can correlate size of the rallies to Fox News ratings in any given rally's area.

Jonk said...

In Sacramento:
FOX's Neil Cavuto discussing with producer before going on air but (unbeknownst?) being recorded, speculated on crowd size, "There's gotta be 5,000 people here."

Then, on air, he said, "The crowd was estimated to be about 5,000 people, but it's probably double or triple that."

I'm not sure we can take stock in any of these numbers from "reporters."

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

My wife and I had some tea here in Arlington but we actually drank the tea so not sure how you would tally that.

sdsuaztec4 said...

Does that mean you didn't use any data from Fox News?

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

These guys at Exiled Online had a pretty good explanation of how this stuff was set up by Freedomworks and others. They broke a story on this about six weeks ago regarding the previous tea parties set up after the Santelli rant.

Diane said...

Freeport IL - population about 25000 - there were 20 - 30 people by the courthouse with flags and posters.

Steve Bloom said...

Des Moines is double-listed, once as "Des Monies."

I agree that this event was a failure relative to the build-up it got.

Derek said...

Just a note that the Ann Arbor News updated its figure to 450.

Phineas Bounderby said...

I went to the Atlanta rally to take photos (I took about a hundred, and have posted some of them at http://wingnutsinthewild.blogspot.com)

I'm not very good at crowd estimates, but I'd put it at over 2,000. Bear in mind that this is the venue Sean Hannity was promoting, and Georgia is the home of Saxby Chambliss, Lyn Westmoreland, Phil Gingrey, Newt Gingrich, and Sonny Perdue. So there are large numbers of conservative rural and exurban voters terrified that an African American has become president.

jepler said...

You have Council Bluffs listed as being in Nebraska. It's in Iowa. However, as the figure you have for the tea party is the same as omaha (150) you might want to make sure you didn't double-report a single event that took place in the omaha/council bluffs area.

Steve Bloom said...

Also:

Frisco, CO (not Firsco)

Council Bluffs, IA (not NE)

Hu Chi said...

mcc

Good idea. For Fox to claim that they were reporting rather than promoting is absurd, of course, but I suppose righties would claim that the same was true with Obama and the "liberal media".

LFC
It's total sour grapes, with a homeopathically small kernel of truth embedded in it.

As Jon Stewart pointed out, when you lose as badly as the R's did, it's supposed to taste like a s**t sandwich. Can loony toons who've been ranting about socialism since FDR expect to be happy with anything more than a token shift to the left?

Corey Bunje Bower said...

Apparently about 2,800-3,000 in Nashville

http://blogs.tennessean.com/politics/2009/liveblogging-the-nashville-tea-party/

whitker said...

Having a larger turnout in Olympia, WA than in Seattle makes sense as it is the capital of the State of Washington. It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between the size of the turnout and the political importance of the city.

Carl said...

Agree that these are probably the largest rallies, and a total nationwide turnout of 250,000 - 350,000 is a reasonable estimate. As cited, that is the equivalent of 3 Michigan football games, 4-5 Springsteen concerts, or the total party registration in NY-20 (325,000).
From the coverage, I did not detect a single unifying objective (they ranged from tax cuts, to inflation, to generational theft, etc); nor did I detect the PASSION and purpose evident at a) last years Obama campaign rallies b) the Vietnam anti war rallies or c) the civil rights rallies.

Memo: when CT passed the income tax back in the late 70s / 80s (Lowell Weicker); some 40,000 people rallied in Hartford with much more vitriol than the 2000 -3000 people showed today. PS CT still has the income tax.

dianalzr said...

What you can't ignore is that these Tea Parties were grass roots organized . .. without celeb's to draw in crowds . .. on a work day in the middle of the week. Of course, 20,000 in Atlanta where there were some bigger names. Obama had Bruce Springsteen for pete sakes. What you can not ignore is that people are upset. It won't help to ignore that.

yugun said...

atlanta 7000!! http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2009/04/15/ant_tax_tea_party.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

chopperjc said...

I am still trying to figure out the message.
1. Taxes to High?
2. Spending to High?
3. Taking Guns Away?
4. Obama is not an American?
5. Obama is black?
6. Civil Liberties?

Anytime I havr protested I have always understood the message. Please feel free to add your own reasons for the tea bagging.

Carl said...

The grass roots component is debatable. Fox News was promoting it in the same way that Fox/ABC/CBS would promote an event like the Super Bowl or the grammies.

Pinko said...

The five thousand tea baggers who turned out in Sacramento need to be placed into context. Obama won California by over 20 points. In the sixties I attended anti-war protests that exceeded 500,000. this estimate by the way was from the D.C. police who ALWAYS lowballed the number of protesters.

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PorridgeGun said...

The pictures don't lie, Nate. Considering that teabagging parties had an entire network promoting it for weeks, this was a piss-poor turnout. That's why Neil Cavuto lied on the air about the turnout, which Daily Kos TV's Jed Lewison immediately nailed him on, which Keith Olbermann later covered.

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001171/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/15/720463/-Live-mic-catches-Fox-host-inflating-crowd-estimate-by-300


Cavuto blew it. EPIC FAIL all round.


That also includes the MSM, not just the FOX Propaganda Nutwork. Other than that hot CNN reporter who confronted the teabaggers on their hatred and bigotry...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/15/720469/-Hmm.-Gee.-Why-did-FOX-edit-this-out


...the media gave these idiots way too much coverage. CBS inexplicably headlined their evening newscast, ABC weren't much better, and CNN held a "serious" discussion about the teabaggers. WHY? As cited in their reports, all polling shows these nutjobs are waaaaay outside the mainstream, over 60% support President Obama on how he's handling the economy, and the Democratic congress passed the biggest tax cut in American history, not to mention the teabaggers have been outed as astro turf movement backed by corporate interests and right-wing hate groups.

Compare today's media's coverage to 2003 when millions across the globe protested gainst the Iraq invasion, and it becomes clear just how corrupt the corporate media is. Like I said, only Keith, Rachel and Ed are the only ones highlighting ho insane and dangerous unhinged these people are. There was barely a peep from the evening news reporters.

Ju said...

Obama always had celebrities. Even in Tampa he had the Devil Rays just before the world series. The thing about grass roots, is they only grow and grow...

Here is MI:

http://www.butasforme.com/

kimmy said...

dianalzr said...
What you can not ignore is that people are upset. It won't help to ignore that.
------------------------


Ignore WHAT exactly ... ?

The fact that there are still some people PISSED OFF that Barack Obama won the elections ... ?

Heck, that is LIFE baby ...

Shane said...

St. Paul: 8000 (http://www.mndaily.com/2009/04/15/several-thousand-crowd-capitol-lawn-protest-big-government). At least I hope noone is going to claim the student newspaper is biased conservative...That would be funny.

And the Duluth paper had turnout at 700 (bit higher than the 500 you quoted above, but nothing to quibble about--just another data point)

Marcia said...

San Antonio, TX.

I believe Glen Beck and our Ceceding Governor were there. I would estimate it to have at a few thousand by the news pics.

Still, overall poor turnout for something so highly publicized for weeks on end - on FOX and the Internet.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

:dianalzr said...

What you can't ignore is that these Tea Parties were grass roots organized . .."

Or not...

Statler N Waldorf said...

This wasn't grass roots at all. A grass roots rally isn't promoted from the top-from NewsCorps outlets and conservative "think" tanks. A grass roots effort would have been more like the protests against Prop 8, that sprang up for people emailing each other telling them where to be at what time.

With that in mind, one should understand that, for all the media bombardment on FOX and in the WSJ and the NY Post, every arm of Rupert Murdoch's media empire, they couldn't get that many people to come to any one particular site.

Now, on a more disturbing note, Governor Rick Parry made announcements at the Austin tally suggesting that he favored the idea of Texas seceding from the union .

Governor Parry, and all those that support him-if you dare to try, I will run to the nearest US Army recruiting station and volunteer myself for service in the US military to cross the border into Texas to kick your traitor ass.

I am nonviolent, but that will change if you dare to attack my country or break it apart. My loyalty is to the USA, not to some bizarre right-wing secessionist ideology like yours. I will fight to restore the honor that Louisiana lost 150 years ago when she allowed madmen like you to seduce her.

Phineas Bounderby said...

I just saw the Atlanta estimate of 7.000. Not too surprising to me (and not something I'm very alarmed about either). Fox sent its wingnut superstar here, this state still has a lot of intensely motivated racist rural and exurban activists, who are fertile ground for a basically anti-Obama event.

The reason it doesn't alarm me is that even if the teabagging had drawn 100,000 people, it wouldn't change the fact that Georgia is bluing more with every electoral cycle due to changing demographics.

And outside of political wonkdom, and the teabaggers themselves, what percentage of the voting population are even aware of these events?

matty said...

ummm, so what you're saying is roughly 1/10 of 1 percent (.001) of the US population attended these parties. And that is "reasonably impressive"?

?!?!?

Berkeley Bear in Illinois said...

Rachel Maddow did some great side by side comparisons (like a Motley Crue reunion outdrawing the Tea Party in Rockford Il something like 20 to 1). Personally, my side by side is this:

Springfield, IL (a red city in a red county in an otherwise blue state) 400 for tea bags. By comparison, on less than two weeks notice, Barack Obama drew 30,000 to introduce Joe Biden as his running mate. And unless you think of Biden as a big draw, there were no celebrities to be seen.

EmonOkari said...

This is what the Right chose to blow their wad on. Yep. That in itself is amazing. Come tomorrow, Republicans will still have presented zero detailed solutions to our country's current trials.

juvanya said...

I wish I had the time and logistical ability to lead a counter-protest in Piscataway or Morristown near me.

oh well.

Daniel said...

Where's Chicago Nate? Are you that happy to be gone?

Cricket said...

I was amazed how much promotion these events got on FOX. I don't know that the folks protesting did a great deal to forward their cause, which is still unclear. I saw a lot of generalized anger without a whole lot of direction.

I guess they just want everyone to know they're angry about a lot of things. This does not seem like a good way to sway people to your side. Really it is just makes those who already agree with you feel better.

Having worked with grassroots movements, I can say that the first rule of organizing is getting your message straight. Also, most grassroots organizations would love to get the almost 24 hour TV exposure these events got on FOX in the lead up to today's events. I can't think of a parallel for any other movement (outside of political campaigns),on the right or the left.

Daniel said...

Good for them. But I think it's only fair, since they are so against taxes-- no calling the fire department if they have a fire or the police if they are robbed; put YOUR money where your mouth is.

Jason said...

This seems very, very far from the hundreds of thousands that rallied for immigration reform three years ago. Anybody know how many rallied against Prop 8 last November?

livemild said...

i dont know if the number of people who attended is impressive or not. i am leaning to the not.

i am worried, however, by how completely dangerously insane they sounded. am i the only one who is afraid of these folks?

if i recall the early beer hall days of the nazi party didnt exactly have a clear message. all you need to create a movement is hate. it helps to have one thing to hate and i think they had that covered today-they hate the current government.

drawman said...

you missed pittsburgh. news reports say there were several hundred.

randy_khan said...

I've seen the pictures from Washington, DC, where I live, and if the estimate is 1,000, it must include all of the federal workers who wandered through the area during the event.

My personal touchstone for comparisons is this year's Rose Parade, which drew 700,000. The largest estimate I have seen for today's events (none of which required the participants to travel very far to attend) is less than half of that.

You also need to be wary of any crowd estimates. Many police departments have gotten out of the business of doing estimates, and reporters often rely on event organizers to report the totals. Naturally, the organizers have some inclination to report the largest number they think is plausible. They, of course, haven't actually done any counting.

Saint Dude said...

There is really little point in bringing FOX into the discussion anymore.

There may have been a time when they could pretend to be "fair and balanced". Surely that time has passed. With the Nazi tirades, socialism rants, and tea party propaganda that they have been filling the air with of late, there can be no more debate. FOX is nothing more than a right wing, wing-nut channel. They should just put Boss Limbaugh in their prime time slot and be done with it.

novae said...

I attended the Teabag party in Carson City, NV (as an observer, not a participant). The estimate of the article was 2,000, but I saw less than 100. There could have been people streaming through during the course of the day, though 2000 certainly seems far too high.

Montana Conservative said...

We observed the tea party in Billings, MT. Didn't seem like there were anywhere close to 500--unless there were a number of other sites. I would estimate a lot closer to 50 or 75 at the very most.

chronosynclastic infundibulum said...

Don't you people know what 'teabagging' is?

The Real Definition.

brown said...

"Governor Parry, and all those that support him-if you dare to try, I will run to the nearest US Army recruiting station and volunteer myself for service in the US military to cross the border into Texas to kick your traitor ass."

Or you could just let Texas tread water for a few years or decades, paying for their own highways and subsidizing their own suburban sprawl and trying to educate their own inner city populations and see how long it takes for them to come knocking at our door again.

TSG said...

I would like to see all of the folks that attended the 'tea parties' start their own political party. They obviously need their own, and we need more political parties in the USA anyway.

Statler N Waldorf said...

brown,

You mean this?Maybe, but it would feel good to go all John Brown on his ass.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

So, if Fox estimates are 2-3 times what the actual crowds are, then take your final total and divide by about 2.5 to get your final number.

Mike in Maryland said...

I was tempted to go to the tea-bagging in Baltimore today, but it was a miserable day, weather-wise (temps in the low 40s with light rain all day).

If I had gone, I would have been there, not as a supporter of the tea-baggers, though, but with a sign something on the order of:

"Who did you teabag today?"

and politely, but somewhat forceably, asking participants that question, hoping that a TV camera and soundman (broadcasting live, of course) was somewhat nearby to catch the responses when the participants were informed what 'teabag' also means.

VBG

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

K. said...

Considering the way the right-wing media flogged Teabag Parties and considering the official support from the Republican party, the turnout is lame. The White House has got to be laughing up their sleeves over this.

andy r said...

the one thing i came away with from the news reports ---

these people thought the last 8 years were great.

obama will do away with the wonderful things that happened in the last 8 years

if they cant do it nicely they will do it with violence

Pragmatus said...

I too would have liked to see these figures as a percentage of population.

Jon Stewart made an interesting observation tonight—to protest “wasteful spending” these folks went out and purchased 1 million teabags that they then threw away…Should have been douche bags. A million douche bag march would have made people sit up and take notice.

Saint Dude said...

Heh. It would be amusing to know which GOP politicians are fessing up to being "teabaggers".

seiun said...

" the Olympia, Washington event drew about 20 times more people than Philadelphia's..."

Makes sense to me. Northwesterners are notorious cheapskates when it comes to taxation. They're all for progressive social programs as long as they don't have to pay for them.

Chuck said...

Are you kidding me? These numbers are total fiction. I am watching Atlanta now and there are at least 15k there. Texas is talking about leaving the union. This is real and Obama and his tax cheating crew is to blame!

Statler N Waldorf said...

What an odd thing this has become.

It's a bit like the Boxer Rebellion. In the sense that I, who am rebelling against an oppressive group, am doing so in favor of the sitting government.

How often in history does such a thing happen? When the counter-culture supports the integrity state against those who would try to destroy it?

For the Boxers, it was a rebellion against the foreign powers that were raping China. For me, it is a rebellion against NewsCorp, which is trying to rape America.

Let us now raise the Fists of Righteous Harmony in defense of our homeland against the foreigner Rupert Murdoch, who has come to exploit our beautiful country to satisfy his personal lusts.

Chuck said...

Statler N Waldorf is drunk!

Ian said...

dianalzr said...

"What you can't ignore is that these Tea Parties were grass roots organized"

except that in large part they weren't

". .. without celeb's to draw in crowds"

except for the fox news anchors, congressmen, country singers, etc appearing at events across the country?

Cee Eff said...

I was at the event in Fresno, California, and there is no way there was only 1000 people there.

There is no way to have an accurate count for the number of people who attended because there was no gate, and the event lasted for 6 hours officially.

While I was there from 4:30pm to 6pm, the crowd was at least 2000 strong with quite a few coming and going. I think it is quite safe to say that if you calculate the number of people who came throughout the day rather than just the entire time, attendance overall would have been closer to 7k or 8k.

I can only imagine that it was a similar situation at other parties.

KarenT said...

The corporations promoting these "grassroots" protests are the same corporations which lobbied for companies such as AIG and CitiGroup. That says it all.

sentirpromesas said...

this makes me laugh...MILLIONS of people joined across the US for immigration reform and we have yet to see any results...

a few thousands is tiny in comparison. the small group of radicals wont do much of anything

Nightrider said...

I highly doubt that 1000 people tea bagged in a small unincorporated community named Natrona, WY. Perhaps it is supposed to be Casper, WY in Natrona county???

Medusa said...

I see that one of the cities listed is Lake City, WA. Lake City is a neighborhood in Seattle. Specifically, North Seattle. That would explain the very low number attending. There were several "area" tea party gatherings around here, the main event in Western Washington was in Olympia. A good city to gauge the eastern side of the state might be Spokane, or perhaps Wenatchee.

I agree with Whitker that the larger turnout in Olympia would have to do with it being the Capital. Our citizens are used to going to Olympia for protests.

GrrrlRomeo said...

Compare to the truly spontaneous, grassroots protests of prop 8 on 11/15--160,000 people, organized in a max of 11 days (after election day 11/4) with no media promotion.

http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/page/11%2F15+Attendance+Totals

Just sayin'.

DCM in FL said...

Q - How many does it take to throw a real 'teabag' party ??? [A - ask Larry Craig...]

seriously or not, here in central FL on a beautiful sunny spring day all they could muster was "hundreds" in downtown Orlando according to the Sentinel - and from the news video & photos that meager estimate was being way too generous !

bigger crowds in line at my local small town PO to mail their forms today...

pathetic & wimpy & embarrassing turn-out for such a hyped 'event'

earlier sincere tax protests earlier this year in Orlando drew much larger crowds - but then they were really grass-roots organized with a message attendeed could believe in

Wesley Snipes shoulda been the perfect poster boy for today's teabaggers... imho of course

Sue said...

Lincoln NE 20...who counted? I was there. All parking lots full, people leaving because the event center was overflowing. 2500 at least.

dre7861 said...

I think the this whole stunt will do more harm to the GOP than good (not that that's a bad thing). Yes in every demostration you will see whacked signs and individuals who have their own pet subject they feel very passionately about. But with these teabagging events all I saw was an inarticulate rage. Countdown showed this one man dressed up in 1776 clothes who mumbled something inane like he was wasted or on valium. Notice the guy interviewed on CNN who insists that President Obama is a fascist because he's a fascist (what strike's me as funny is near to him is a Obama is a socialist sign - don't these nuts know that the fascists hated the socialist and communists and sent most of them to concentration camps if they didn't kill them outright and that fascists and socialists are father apart than Republicans and Democrats and to be both would mean you have a serious split personality).

The thing that has always struck me as the strangest thing about the people who get so worked up over taxes are usually the ones who are most dependent on government funds. Growing up in a military town I found a huge portion of the military passionately believes that there should be no taxes. These are the same individuals who would never go to a regular doctor but run to the clinic at the drop of a hat. When you ask them if there was no taxes where would the money come to pay their salaries and buy those pretty little bombs, guns and planes they love so well they accuse you of being unpatriotic. My point is I bet everyone of the tea baggers checked the weather report before going to tea bagging thing (weather satelites paid for and run by the government), traveled on highways (built and maintained by the government) and have kids in school (paid for and run by the government). Let anything like a natural disater or a problem with unsafe food and these people would be the first screaming bloody murder that the government let them down. If they distrust this particular form of government so much then there are 190 other ones to choose from. I strongly suspect that the sole reason behind the tea baggers is racial and idealogical hatred of President Obama.

I think the average American will be view these people as inarticulate, mean spirited and rage-filled oddities. I would also bet that the average American will also equate them to the hate filled rants that Palin reved up this past fall and the nut-job woman who was so far out there in her accusations that even John McCain felt the need to correct her. I think the average American felt revulsion at these crazies. We all might 'get mad as hell' sometime but no one wants to associate themselves who irrationally looses control. If you doubt me then blow your top at work tomorrow and see how fast everyone backs away. There's anger and then there's ugliness. Whether we really are better people than our past and recent past would indicate, I know the American people believe in progress and this whole stunt plays directly against that belief. What I think this teabagging stunt will do is further link in the general public's mind this kind of ugly crazy bitterness with the Republican party.

Servius said...

St. Paul, MN had ~10,000 according to KSTP TV who had a helicopter overhead.

Statler N Waldorf said...

Note well that nobody attended the tea party in New Orleans. There was one scheduled, and I walked past the site this afternoon. Not one person was there.

We remember Katrina.

funwithsiccors said...

There were well over 10,000 people in Indianapolis, IN which wasn't even listed here.

Statler N Waldorf said...

This is what I think of when I hear you say there was over 10,000 people at your rally

<b>John Geahan</b> said...

I was in attendance at the Lansing, MI rally and I would have to say that the 4,000 that were listed as being there was a gross overestimation. 2,500 would have been more accurate (but still pushing it).

It's worth noting that I happened to overhear someone mention that "this was the most people I've ever seen at a political rally." Being an Obama supporter...I couldn't help but chuckle to myself about that.

DCM in FL said...

SERVIUS

that is funnie - 10,000 in St Paul ???

cuz the STRIB has it pegged as, and I quote: "...many in the crowd of around 2,000 in St. Paul..."

sorry, but the STRIB trumps your inflated #s

also, anyone else notice all the 1st time posters on here tonight proclaiming huge crowds at numerous teabagger parties ???

makes me go hhhmmm - like the one for Lincoln NE... you betcha !

gac_dems said...

111,000, maybe 200,000? They would have gotten more with free pizza.

Denny's got 2 million by their count for free Grand Slams.

CaitlynA said...

"Baxter, Arkansas" is actually "Mountain Home, Arkansas" in Baxter Country. The photo in the Baxter Bulletin does not appear to be close to the 1000 people reported, so I expect there is a bit of upward bias. I grew up running around the square where the photo was taken and have a pretty good eye for the perspective of the camera,so I'd guess at least a 100% overcount.

On the other hand, I haven't seen my home town square in almost 15 years and it makes me just a tad homesick to see it. Thank you for posting the link.

Caitlyn

Medusa said...

Funwithscissors says there were over 10,000 in Indianapolis, but the IndyStar says more like 2,500.

I join you DCM in FL, also makes me go HMMMM.

EmonOkari said...

They shoulda offered 'punch and pie'. Viva La Resistance!

Premier Sullivan said...

Given that the original call was for a "Chicago Tea Party", I have difficulty believing that Chicago didn't even make the list. Where's the rub?

mlf said...

There was a small protest in Troy, Michigan (Detroit suburb)today near the city offices. I drove by during rush hour. There were perhaps 100 people holding signs saying "Honk if you support us" messages. I heard nary a honk, and neither did my daughter who drove by later. Troy is a fairly conservative area but no one seemed to be getting behind this to a great extent.

publius said...

The crazy thing about this is that the bulk of the people who showed up were from small rural areas and very unlikely to pay more in taxes due to Obama. Likely they'll be taxed less. But apparently they have brain problems.

DCM in FL said...

MEDUSA

it appears once again that analysis by Nate must be getting slagged at freeptard sites with links steering the faithful dittoheads to 538 so they can post 'creative' rebuttals

note, I am trying to be a nice as possible... but that is hard to swallow

I bet Boss Limburger knows how to have fun with 'teabagging' while snorting his Oxy & Viagra cock-tail...

Jay said...

Eureka, CA- pop ~28000

I counted about 50 at the most.

JonathanUrsin said...

Today was the first day of brilliant sun in about a week which I'm sure had an effect on turn out in Olympia. Olympia itself is a hippy town but it's near Fort Lewis a large military base.

tbone12 said...

These numbers are very inaccurate........why can;t left wing sites actually get facts?....I was in Boston...there is no way in hell only 500 people were their.
Great reporting Huffington......right on the ball.
could you please actually be a credible website.

Brodie said...

I'm calling lies on Lansing, MI having anywhere close to 4,000 people. Part of my law school's orientation was held on the front lawn of the capital building in Lansing. There were around 1,000 of us and we packed the ground that the "tea party" was held on (there's a ton more space on the other side of the Capital building (between it and the Supreme Court building) but it faces away from the Capital and Michigan Ave.s and has bridges crossing every other major street).

I drove by them today on my way to the library. I'd estimate, on the high side, maybe 1,250 people. Probably far less than that.

Steve J. said...

Nate,

The Tucson number seems inflated, I attended from 9:40 to almost 11:00 and at most 500 were present at any one time.

Near 1 PM, it has petered out.
http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2009/04/ttp-picture.html

Zahlman said...

How come no coverage of A New Way Forward? http://anewwayforward.org/demonstrations/

wv: constify - to make constant, e.g. as pertains to political support. Must sound good to a lot of Republicans nowadays as they watch themselves slip into oblivion...

Cugel said...

"Statler N Waldorf said...

This wasn't grass roots at all. A grass roots rally isn't promoted from the top-from NewsCorps outlets and conservative "think" tanks. A grass roots effort would have been more like the protests against Prop 8, that sprang up for people emailing each other telling them where to be at what time."
You're absolutely right! This is a corporate Astro-turf event, that was propagandized up by Fox News!

The Anti-Prop 8 protests drew more people with ZERO Media publicity in 8 days than these people did in 3 months!

Mike in Maryland said...

Reviewing several reports from Maryland-area news sources, the word for attendees at Annapolis, Maryland is reported as "hundreds attended", not the 2,500 reported by (right-wing leaning) ABC-2 or the even more right-wing leaning Daily Record.

For instance, the Baltimore Sun reported "hundreds of rain-soaked protesters Wednesday in Annapolis".

Southern Maryland Online reported "Hundreds of angry Marylanders expressed their outrage at what they argue is governmental overspending at "tea party" protests across the state and in front of the White House Wednesday." (Note: SMO says 'hundreds attended across the state - events were held in Kent Island, Annapolis, Baltimore, Havre de Grace and Cecil County, to name a few of the sites teabagging events were held.)

WTOP News in DC reports "In Annapolis, hundreds of Maryland residents braved a heavy rain Wednesday to attend the tea party."

All in all, I think the 2,500 attendee figure for Annapolis just might be just a wee bit high.

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

Devil's Advocate said...

I was at Chicago...there were clearly 5000+ at 1:00pm.

LSUTiger said...

For so many people claiming to hate Fox News and all that stands for there certainly are a lot of references to the amount of promoting you witnessed from it..but I digress.

What is appalling is that the vast majority of the posters here who claim to be more informed and intelligent (based on their characterizations of protest attendees) feel the need to resort to belittling and ridiculing fellow Americans to make their point.

While obviously the news outlets will cover the radical attendees to cast a bad image, the main message was one of dissatisfaction of management and use of tax dollars. I personally see taxes as a necessary evil in order for the social contract we all agree to in order to live in this country (to provide the essentials that the constitution set forth). But I also believe that the federal government does not have to be an overprotective parent with their hands in every aspect of America. That is why a vast majority of people were voicing today.

Pragmatus said...

Here in West Los Angeles/West Hollywood/Beverly Hills CA I saw no signs of any teabag protests.

Pragmatus said...

LSU Tiger...

Where the %&@#%& were you and your protesters when G W Bush was running the deficit up 6 trillion dollars? This wasn't a grassroots movement, it was a carefully orchestrated "demonstration" that, despite all the fervor Fox News pumped into it, fell flat on its face.

colorblind said...

Where's San Antonio and Atlanta, just to mention two not on the list. They each had over 15000.

DCM in FL said...

LSU

so you posit that the attendees today were offering 'constructive criticism' ???

of or toward who or whom would that be ???

toward an administration that has just recently inherited a wicked mad mess financially thanks mostly to Bush lite, or was this in a gesture of sincere bipartisanship ???

looked & sounded & smells like cheap sour grapes from sore 'losers'

bet Norm Coleman was out there in the smallish St Paul crowd of cave dwellers today since he is all about respect for the will of the people...

WV - ovessin [think Cheney...]

DCM in FL said...

PRAG

I lived in WeHo for many years until 2006... those were the days...

teabagging protesters on the westside of LA has a [w]hole different meaning there abouts - you just were not looking in the right [or wrong] places for them...

LSUTiger said...

Pragmatus...that's what I'm talking about. Calm down, gather your thoughts and try to put together a coherent thought that adresses my statement. This is what we call a debate. No swearing and name calling, but exchanging of views in opinions in a rational manner.

The reason these people weren't protesting under the Bush admin. is probably b/c they didn't object to their tax dollars being spent on national defense (no matter how spin it, thats what military funding is). Which is part of what the federal government is tasked to do, to have a standing army/navy etc.

a grey angel said...

I think 400 people for Valdosta, GA is pretty inflated. The local newspaper gives no indication of that amount, and I know the afternoon protest was small. Pictures and video from the noon protest would show between 200-300 at best. I live down the road from the auditorium. It just wasn't "that" big.

barry08 said...

Republicans are a bunch of

SORE LOSERS ......

who should play fair and square , instead of giving into extremists like Hannity who is in for how much he can make and keep....

they should be thanking God that McCain is not in that seat !

instead we have an intelligent man who actually cares what happens to this country

Hannity and Limbaugh lied and manipulated the news during the Primaries and the final election.... but they still lost to the rest of us sensible Americans....
they cannot accept it so.... they still think they can get someone to ride along with them and pay for their mistakes

FOX continues to use their power as PROPAGANDA which is illegal
but nobody prosecutes them ???

when are we going to take action America ? this is the worst security issue to our Nation

We should start with Fox before we can start on Bush and his administration !

barry08 said...

Zombies ........

they are out there pretending to be outraged at the 'spending'

when for the past 8 yrs they have taken it quietly -

How can you protest 8 yrs later ?
and not call it for what it is.... a revolution against those who created this mess - themselves !!!

Understand this, we Americans voted for this President , that is all there is to it....

You better star liking it and working with him or you will be miserable for the next 8 yrs...

Difference with his spending vs previous administration is that the money is being invested wisely... give it time, back him up.... then if he lets you down... then u can complain...

Your behaviour just tells us who you really are = ANTI AMERICANS

barry08 said...

Penny has just dropped America

I think Fox News is hurting financially.....

and this calls for desperate measures...

Hannity, Beck and all their clonnies will be the end of
Fox News as we know it...

if they do not change their ways... they will be catering just to extremists....

and you know what they say
they will be demolish by them too !

It will serve them right !

for been the most unfair and unbalanced news in the Planet !

LSUTiger said...

I accept that Obama won the election and believe he is doing what he thinks is best for the country, I happen to disagree with some of the things he's doing. That does not make me unintelligent or anti American, it simply means we disagree. You cannot simply blame one person for the troubles of an entire nation, that is what the system of checks and balances is all about. Bush was all but stripped of his power when an a majority democrat congress was elected 2 years before he left. The time for calling people sore losers should be over and those who voted for Mr. Obama be gracious victors.

DCM in FL said...

LSU

funny - you are being sarcastic, right ???

anyway, gracious victors as Bush & Cheney & Rove et al were in 2000 when they stole that election with the intervention of SCOTUS... then led us down the path of perdition, loss of civil liberties, and general ruination

a great example THAT would be to follow...

Obama & the DEMs & the public are being much more accomodating of the fringe freeptards than when the shoe was on the other proverbial foot - a swift kick in the political arse is much more of what is deserved for that motley krewe imho

Zahlman said...

LSUTiger: Your argument is that the American people don't mind spending all those billions of dollars so they can outspend any other single country in the world (including Russia and China) by a factor of six, fight wars on phony premises against countries that they previously supplied with for-the-time-advanced weaponry versus the USSR, and maintain an arsenal of literally over 9,000 nuclear warheads; but it's offensive to them to spend comparable amounts of money to avoid the collapse of several major financial institutions that are key to the nation's well-being.

I'm not an American, but I've talked to some personally, and I hope you'll pardon me if I flat out don't believe you.

LSUTiger said...

So your position is that you are happy Obama won not b/c you think he is best for this country but b/c he will seek retribution for you by keeping down fellow citizens who think differently? That is an absurd position to take.

CJ said...

I think the Olympia numbers may have had a lot to do with the current tax unhappiness that we have in WA. Our tax structure leaves the state economy susceptible to regular and steep boom/bust swings. Currently we're in a bust phase, meaning that the governors budget had to increase tax burden while cutting services. Even democrats aren't too happy with the current state of affairs.

I think the numbers reflect this unhappiness, bringing out a lot of people who normally won't come to protest.

LSUTiger said...

Zahlman, arguing over foreign policy leading up to Iraq and Afaganistan wars is a whole other argument. But to answer your point, yes, many Americans do feel strongly against bailing out and supporting financial (and other institutions) for risky and irresponsible buisiness practices and showing up on the steps of Congress with their hands out. The American society and capitalist economy are not rooted in those beliefs.

DCM in FL said...

LSU

you are just plain dead wrong. Am society & especially Am style capitalism is ALL about hand-outs & special treatment for the FEW & the connected from the government that then betows favors on THEM & keep out others/competition...

even starting wars & interferring with foreign government to push their own brand of imperialistic capitalism

read you history bro... our republic is steeped & steeply sloped toward those with the power & money & lobbyists...

the folks who protesteth too much today are among the worst offenders in wanting more for THEMSELVES for less money at the expense of all others... not interested in fair equitable treatment

Cas said...

Olympia's a weird town, because in addition to state government it is both the site of one of the most politically liberal colleges anywhere (Evergreen State College) and a magnet for the population in surrounding rural areas including some very conservative areas like Lewis County (the only "red" county in Western Washington). The latter group certainly would be willing to drive up to Oly for a big anti-government protest.

Mister Game Seven said...

Nate,
Please include this estimate of 5,000-6,000 people at the St. Louis, MO Tea Party:
http://www.beloblog.com/KMOV_Blogs/reportersblog/2009/04/tea-party-talkback.html

This estimate comes from the reporter for the local CBS affiliate who was at the scene, who got it from a park ranger. This estimate would make it the largest crowd on your list, perhaps showing that it's not all "long-tail" that hasn't been included.

Thank you.

ChoadRunner said...

At some of the larger demonstrations today, the crowds were chanting "Secede! Secede!". It doesn't get any more Anti-American than that. This is also exemplary of the kind of vague and screwy emotion typical of these demonstrations rather than a coherent solution-oriented message.

(coincidentally, I also happen to be an LSU Tiger)

Mike in Maryland said...

LSUTiger said...
For so many people claiming to hate Fox News and all that stands for there certainly are a lot of references to the amount of promoting you witnessed from it..but I digress.Dimwit,

Some of DO NOT WATCH Faux News, but we still know how much they shilled in the past week for the Astro-turfed protest.

How?

Keith Olbermann showed clip after clip after clip of Faux News personalities hawking the Astro-turfed gatherings.

News reports in print and on the Internet told us which of the Faux News hair-pieces would be appearing where.

Some of us know how to get information from many sources. There appears to be a lot of Americans who don't. If I were to guess, I'd say that you are in the latter group.

BTW LSU Tiger - For every dollar you chip in for Federal taxes, you owe the rest of the US $.78 more, per the 2005 Tax Foundation estimate.

You read that correct. For every one dollar that comes from Louisiana, the state receives back $1.78 in Federal spending (http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html). Only three states had a better ratio than Louisiana.

YEAH! Louisiana is in the TOP FOUR in at least one category!!

And from the years 1981 to 2005, there was only one year (1982) in which the state of Louisiana paid more in Federal taxes than the state received back from the Federal government (http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html).

So how about paying some of that money back to the rest of the US citizenry in the other 49 states?

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

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Christian said...

I was at the St. Paul Rally, did a little filming for The UpTake. The 10,000 number for St. Paul was given by the people holding the rally. Of course they could have gotten that estimate from anyone.

I'm not spectacular at crowd estimation, but I did get some video of the crowd during the peak of the rally from the 3rd and 5th floors of a nearby building.

http://qik.com/video/1470223
http://qik.com/video/1470213

http://qik.com/video/1467108

Guesstimate yourself.

Zahlman said...

Mike in Maryland: The fact that DC receives $5.55 per dollar paid in doesn't seem to help your argument very much ;)

clif said...

250,000 were at the teabagger rallies?

Hell, according to wiki 1.8 million showed up to the inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States ........ or as some cable news show comedian says we must have them surrounded, with those numbers.

Adam said...

Do I give a crap about about these uneducated dimwits? The answer is no. Nuf said!!!!!!

Bradford said...

Ya, I think Nate got teabagged on some of these numbers, after the million man march noone will touch a guess on attendance.

Let's face it, these things did not go over well and the pics and reports show it was right wing nuts who were there, not the Average Joe's they hoped for.

The proof will be if they try this again, I doubt they will.

Adam Fuller said...

I wonder if conservatives will prove more likely to host lots of small rallies across the country, while liberals prove more likely to host enormous rallies in the big cities.

Hu Chi said...

Christian

10K seems too large a number if I'm seeing your shot correctly. Five maybe? Seven? Experts should easily be able to guess. Any out there?

LSU

I don't see that Bush was stripped of his power in the last two years. At best, congress went into do nothing mode and the neocon train kept rolling on toward oblivion.

R's often say that congress was running the show as of '06 but with a gridlocked senate and Bush veto threat, D's chose to wait it out until '08 rather than beat their heads against the wall.

Personally, I think they were too wimpy and should have gone after Bush/Cheney for their murderous Iraq policies, but it's not hard to see why D's did what they did under Bush after '06.

This isn't about sore losers now. It's about recovering from a monstrous delusion. In the interest of reform, I support Leahy's move to find out what happened without turning it into an orgy of prosecution. As for Cheney and some others responsible for Iraq, there's far too much blood on their hands to be too gracious about it.

Sarah said...

200 people showed up in Rockford. That's correct. They marched and then threw their tea into a garbage can. They represent 0.12% of our population.

www.noteaparty.blogspot.com

LI Regional said...

Add a few more thousand to the above estimates.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20090416/NEWS01/904160331?GID=xOvxIhApOkaTmMmOeJhEBJHCM0aGiSVROo7NFi7O6Xg%3D

I can't wait until the 2012 elections, so the GOP can realize how far from reality they really are.

Bradford said...

In St. Louis, the person holding the rally estimated 1,000 - so lets say 300-500?

Chris Nandor said...

Some quick notes on Olympia, in addition to what was posted already above:

The Olympia event was a Tea Party, but with the explicit purpose of sending a message to the state legislature to not raise taxes, which perhaps impacted attendance.

IMO there should be no "average" because both numbers come from the state patrol, but the 4000 estimate came unofficially from a lone trooper, whereas the 5000 estimate is the official one from the state patrol.

L.A. said...

LOL...I lived in Green Cove Springs last year. It is outside of Jacksonville and probably only has a population of 3000 or so. Funny, at least 3X that amount (if not a little more) showed up for their annual Memorial Day celebration last year.

Alex S. said...

Ah well, I guess it was the biggest conservative mobilization effort outside of elections ever. So I guess it was as successful as one could reasonably expect.
Still, I doubt that this event is going to have any consequences whatsoever because this is not going to be the beginning of a true conservative grassroots movement (outside of evangelical churches). After all, this movement lacks a direction, a concept, a cause and the infrastructure outside of Fox News. The concept of tea parties didn't make sense ("No taxation without representation" was obviously not understood - after all, there was an election half a year ago). In fact, the concept of the tea parties - buying tea bags and dumping them somewhere was exactly the kind of wasteful spending these people were protesting against.
Also the date, 15th of April... this was still the time of the Bush tax rates. Obama had nothing to do with the taxes the people had to pay at that day. And Obama also didn't raise taxes for the people that went to these tea parties. Many of these people (I doubt a lot of them pay income tax) were in fact, protesting against the tax increases on people making over $250.000 a year. They were used as some kind of electoral hostages by conservative think-tanks along the lines of "These people will vote against you, Obama, if you pursue your plans". As you might have heard, the protesters were not allowed to share their e-mail addresses and phone numbers, which would be the beginning of creating a true grassrots network, but no, these protests were organized vertically, not horizontally. Fox News told people to go there, so they did. These people were not allowed to think and act on their own and instead just repeated what every RNC e-mail of the 2008 campaign said.

Ryan said...

The event organizers in Madison, WI, estimated the crowd to be about 5,000. But police officials haven't given out their tally yet, so it could be a couple thousand less.

http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/22837

The Religious Left said...

Rachel hit the nail on the head: They don't even realize they are protesting on tax payer funded parks and sidewalks!

Whaaaa... I don't wanna pay any taxes or have a functioning government...whaaaa....

What a bunch of deluded and retarded babies.

Mike in Maryland said...

Mister Game Seven said...
This estimate comes from the reporter for the local CBS affiliate who was at the scene, who got it from a park ranger.Park ranger? I presume you mean a federal park ranger?

If so, it is very probable that either you or the reporter are giving out male bovine droppings.

If (and that's a BIG if) the park ranger gave an estimate, it was nothing more than a personal estimate (and against agency policy). The National Park Service has not given out crowd estimates since shortly after the 1995 Million Man March, when a court case developed about the reliability of crowd estimates. Since early-mid 1996, federal agencies do NOT give any estimate, and instruct all personnel to NOT give out any estimate, since when they do, it can be interpreted as an 'official government agency estimate', and such estimates are no longer given. If any person from a federal agency gives an estimate, it is:
1. Contrary to agency policy; and
2. A personal estimate, and as such has little to no basis in fact.

As to when federal agencies DID give crowd estimates, most of the time it was from aerial photos, and estimates were calculated from analyzing those photos. Since it takes some time to do that, it took from several hours to several days for an estimate to be calculated. Thus any estimate given at the site is nothing more than a personal guess, not an agency's 'official estimate'.

Mike in Maryland

My Blogger ID is http://www.blogger.com/profile/02848893412251095965

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RobR said...

I went by the Hartford tea party at about 1:00 (midway through its permit times of 12:00-2:00) and there is no way that there were "3,000" people in attendance. There were several hundred, but I would have trouble believing even a thousand. They just barely filled the steps of the front of the building. I'm really curious who estimated their size as such a high number.

edited: I had erroneously stated the permit time as 12:00-1:00, not 12:00-2:00.

Phineas Bounderby said...

I was at the Atlanta rally from 7 PM until about 8:15. The 7,000 number I've heard sounds plausible, the 15,000 I've been hearing lately sounds inflated to me.

Robin said...

Now that everyone knows each other.

Move on to STEP 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3S2mzwloYs

Deanna Hepler Grissom said...

The OKC Rally did NOT have that many. I went by just to see and if 500 people were I would be surprised. As for the rally to be held on campus at OU? My son went by that one, no one other than the 6 or so who got it together showed up.

Lemastre said...

Next time there's free tea, let me know.

Mike said...

Worcester, Mass: 1500

This according to local paper: http://www.telegram.com/article/20090416/NEWS/904160650/1116

punditry said...

Actually, our somewhat-rural protest in Provo, UT drew over 1,000 people, by my count. I'd actually estimate closer to 1,500. I don't think it's safe to say that most tea parties left out of the list had fewer than a few hundred people.

Madeline said...

You know, everyone missed a trick on this one. The appropriate response would be to gather together a group of people to come by with supermarket trolleys to collect the abandoned tea for welfare services. No jokes, no attacks - just patient, polite collection of the "donations" to the poor.

Cincinnatus said...

Malkin has Cincinnati at 5,000, not 2,000.

T.A.W. said...

San Antonio was estimated at 16,000+

Berkeley Bear in Illinois said...

This is a funny back and forth. What tells me all I need to know is what hasn't come out anywhere - the sort of massive overhead shot you get at everything from sporting events and rock concerts to riots and strong political efforts.

All the close shots and people estimating from inside, based on all the people who allegedly attended some portion of a multi-hour events, is a testament to a lack of confidence in the size of the crowd. It was like when Hillary's campaign was winding down and they had events in small venues and still had to stage shots carefully to make it look like the house was packed. You want to show how strong you are, you just drop a shot like there was from any decent Obama rally (St. Louis, Portland, Berlin to name 3) without a word. The big differences - to a real event, people show up early, stay late and put up with being much closer to strangers than they ordinarily would. Any time everyone can spread out, hold up their own 3 foot tall sign and hear the speaker clearly - not a big event.

Berkeley Bear in Illinois said...

Malkin's hardly an objective source. Interesting, Cincinnatus, that you chose the name of a dictator (admittedly the "good" kind as these things go) as your cover for furthering anti-administration propaganda.

Chris Nandor said...

Berkeley Bear: try this on for size. That picture (and the estimate of 5,000) come from the Washington State Patrol.

So now you can't say you don't have a massive overhead shot.

akailaughingman said...

Reporting from the Right Wing Conspiracy:
500 in Pittsburgh PA, courtesy of Scaife's paper (which had Keyes rally over the weekend at 5,000 -- the Post-Gazette had it at 1,500).

So your mileage may vary.

We had 300,000 dahntahn for the Superbowl Parade.

Mister Game Seven said...

Mike from Maryland said...
If so, it is very probable that either you or the reporter are giving out male bovine droppings.
Thanks for the insult Mike but I provided a link to my source. If you want to question the source, feel free. You can contact them via email from the very link that I provided. I can't comment on the Park Ranger part of her reporting; I wasn't there holding her hand while she did her job so that's up to her to correct. If you disagree with the estimate, please post a credible source that provides an alternate estimation. Otherwise your comments are null and void. It's really very simple: sources or gtfo. Thanks.

Bradford said...
In St. Louis, the person holding the rally estimated 1,000 - so lets say 300-500?
Again, I cited a credible source and you provided incorrect information. The people holding the rally actually estimated 10,000, not 1,000 (source below). That said, I don't buy the 10,000 number. Between 4,000 and 6,000 seems more reasonable from what I saw.

Source: http://www.mwilliams.info/archive/2009/04/saint-louis-tax-day-tea-party-pictures.php

Please view the above pictures and tell me that there were only 300-500 people there. I'm truly shocked by those on this site and around the internet making up complete lies about poor turnout. While I support the Tea Party cause, I have no interest in inflating the numbers. I want to know an accurate count of how many people are out there. If there were only 500 people there, I would report that as well. My agenda is the truth; I know that's hard for people to believe.

If anyone here can dispute my sources, please let me know so that we can correct them. I was there and my guess was between 4,000 and 5,000 people, but I can see how I could easily mistake 300 people for 5,000. Sigh.

William J Reynolds said...

From what I can discern from the local media, the 3000 figure for Sioux Falls is in fact the number that the organizers put forward--not the result of any independent reporting, which is pretty typical for the local "news" media. Rule Number One is you NEVER rely on the organizers' "estimate" for ANYTHING!

Ctibor said...

Seeing 2 Jurnos from the Huffingtonpost at the Phoenix Tea Party, I thought I would check to see what was reported on some of the left-wing sites from their perspective. Hmmmm....I do not see any mention of the 5000 crowd in Phoenix. Looks like there are alot more so called "Right Wing Extremists" out there as labeled by "John" Napolitano than the liberal media would like to report.

ytownMetz said...

COLUMBUS, OHIO
7,000

DAYTON, OHIO
7,000

Per the Columbus and Dayton newspapers..

Isha said...

Hate. I keep seeing posters (all over the blogs) comment about how scary and hateful these people are. I'm not really quite seeing that; they appear to be confused, unorganized and easily led. Disgruntled more then impassioned. Scared maybe? Most people at a protest are very easily led and are followers in that context. But as for Hate? A limited number of people in a group will always be hateful.

But the last time I checked out an anti-Bush rally I was spat on for suggesting that his impeachment would destabilize the nation more than leaving him in place while working through his idiocy. I saw numerous references and calls for his death. Last time I checked out an anti-war protest I saw signs saying that the Jews deserve another holocaust to remind them of their place and that the blood of the martyrs is not done spilling. I was told that vetrans are rapists and baby killers and need to pay for their crimes.

Every anti-bush protest that I have been to or seen coverage of has had people set the flag on fire or rip it and spit on it. More hate? A community bank board member I know has had to have his number changed because of prank calls telling him he’s a fat capitalist fuck who deserves to die, despite the fact that community banking itself is a stabilizer in this country and a key pillar of small business. If these also aren’t real examples of hate then I must really be living on another planet.

If you think wanting the government - Dem or Rep or whatever they and the media want to call themselves - to spend your taxes wisely, with responsibility, with knowledge of economics or at least the principles of sound business decisions, if you think this is hate... If you think wanting your elected reps to at least read and understand legislation before passing it; if you think that these are symptoms of hate then I don’t know what else to say.

America is the goat on the sacrificial alters to; well to whatever comes next, be what that may be. Do as thou will. Hate away.

William said...

I attended two Tea Parties held in Harford County, located in the northeast portion of Maryland. Harford has a population of 230,000.

State Police estimated the Bel Air crowd at 800 to 1,000 participants. Havre De Grace had around 300 show up. The weather here was cold and raining the entire day.

Ron Paul’s group Campaign for Liberty was the only political organization to have an organized presence at either event, with an information tent and handing out literature.

At both events local citizens were the main organizers who don’t seem to have any connections to the main political parties. The organizer for the Bel Air Tea Party, Anthony Passaro lost a son in Iraq.

Channel said...

In response to:
What are they protesting anyway?
They are protesting big spending, big government and anticipated big taxes.

It's not complicated really.

If Politicians don't manage to pervert it with their self-serving messages, and media doesn't succeed in labeling it an anti-Obama movement, it will remain as I stated above.

If they hold another one, I might attend. I don't think big government is the answer. I think the Republican controlled congress started it and now the Democrat controlled congress is continuing to grow govt and spending. In the end, it will mean way to much debt and tax to service the debt. I too, would like not to go there.

I could see there were a few anti-Obama signs but it didn't look like general sour grapes Republicans to me. I think there's more to this at the core. I think it really is about big govt, big spend, and future taxes.

callenfallen said...

Constitution, Liberty, and Bill of Rights. The protest is about the tredding on the Costitution, Simplified Tax, Bill of Rights, in a nut shell, the American way it is suppose to be, not the way people are lead to have to live! Not right wingers, not OB hater/unaccepting his position but rahter his actions, not violent people, just true americans that would like this country to be inherited to our children the way it was to us. True Americans get it, others are sounding like right wing haters.

LauraVW said...

I was at the capitol in Hartford, CT and ABC was there as well as FOX. (14 newspapers as well)

It was a minimum of 3,500 (according to the police) and a max of 5,000 (the organizers). (Not bad since there were simultaneous protests in Greenwich, New Haven and Norwich in our tiny state.) If anyone wants to see video of what happened, and see how many Democrats were also there protesting the crazy deficit spending you can go here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w3EYBdR0zU

The best speaker talks about what it means to be an honorable American. (She came here 30 years ago from the Dominican Republic)

callenfallen said...

If you really care to want to know: read the constitution, bill of rights, pledge of alliegance, and our elected officials oaths to uphold. People would like to keep our democracy under constitutional law, simplify tax codes, and have honest people working FOR the people, BY the people. Balance is out of wack, 2nd amendement is not just a gun issue, read that too, if you care to know what Tea Party protest is about.

CFinNaples said...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PevixGDVhlQ

Ft Myers, FL had about 2,000

Naples, FL had a few hundred during the day on US41 (the reporter said 2000 but he's nuts) and in the evening there were about 1000 at the Naples Beach Club.

Nickname unavailable said...

In Santa Ana, CA, the estimates on the news were 2,000. I was there and thought it closer to 2,500, but I am not a practiced crowd counter.

The Religious Left said...

What would really be interesting is how many people in Provo were watching online porn vs. tea bagging yesterday, as that study showed Utah being the biggest online porn consumer.

And, isn't there a "Redeye" show on Fox? Were they presenting a "Redeye Teabagging" show? That would be truly miraculous, as everyone knows what a Redeye Teabag is...

Debbie said...

Hey! Just wanted to let you know your MATH is waaaaaay off. I attended the Atlanta rally... and it was definitely 15,000 or more... the guy who posted that he took pictures there and it was more than 2,000.... must have left out a ZERO... but if you don't want your math to be accurate that's quite all right with me! It's better that you under estimate our efforts anyway. wink wink. Have a great day! Atlanta Conservative who is TIRED of our Governments WASTEFUL spending and fiscal irresponsibility... Republican or Democrat!

sb10 said...

Add to your list:

South Bay Tea Party (Los Angeles)
1200

(Our organizer, Nathan Mintz, estimated between 1000 and 1500).

southbayteaparty.com

Tina said...

Could you at least post a complete list of the rallies? You conveniently left out rallies in VT, NH, and Maine. I don't see Worcester or Lowell or Hyannis, Mass. rallies listed. Lots of them from NY you left out, ditto for MD and VA. God knows what else. Fries your stinking ass nobody with a brain likes your moonbat propaganda.

Yehudit said...

NYPD estimate for NYC was 12,500. Police est. for San Antonio was 10,000, for Austin 5,000 (they had to close Congress Ave to traffic).

As for proportions: I think each rally will correlate to the general political makeup of that area or county. However, then what about NYC? Well, I live in Manhattan and NYC as a whole is more purple than blue if you include Brooklyn and Queens. Plus people may have come in from some burbs.

Thanks for trying to get a careful estimate. The numbers will keep coming in for a few days.

Yehudit said...

Folks, for all of you who don't understand what this is about, these videos explain it well and collect all the themes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJjEERXXgk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv4OeKmWjOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yREOUxo6Qdc

Of course at most protests - including every leftist one I have seen - each person brings his/her own piece of the main issue and from the whole event you get a gestalt and what's more you can usually tell who are the organizers, the moderates, the weirdos tacking along for the ride. You all know that, you are being disingenuous if you profess complete bewilderment. But if you really can't see it, watch the videos, they are all short and full of facts & figures.

I have surveyed a lot of liberal/left opinion today and my impression is that we understand the details and import of Obama's tax policies a hell of a lot better than most of you do. You are buying Obama/Pelosi propaganda, you all think you are SO sophisticated but you are so credulous it hurts. Many many economists DO NOT think Obama's plans will create prosperity:
http://cato.org/special/stimulus09/alternate_version.html
and in fact they have a bad track record. Obama is not about prosperity, he is about control.

I have read that if we didn't protest 8 years ago we aren't credible now. That's like asking protesters against the Vietnam War in 1969 where were they in 1964? It always takes time for mass movements to ramp up, and you know that too, so stop playing stupid, ok? Tea Party Day is the result of some years of grumbling, and the movement is just picking up steam. Rather than asking where were we 8 years ago, you need to understand that we are protesting NOW to head off the bankruptcy of the future, which even the CBO says is going to happen if all this spending goes through.

I have read reporters who don't get that fascism, socialism, and communism are all "command & control" economies clustered at one end of the political spectrum and qualitatively different from market economies. I have read that taxes for roads and parks are "socialism" so hah hah you stupid rightwingers, you don't even know you are getting a tax cut. No, they aren't and no we aren't, and most of you aren't either.

We also know the history of the Boston tea party better than you do.
http://www.openmarket.org/2009/04/15/we-wouldnt-have-teaparties-if-it-wasnt-for-rentseeking/print/

This split is between the two most basic VERY different philosophies about the proper relationship of the citizen to the state. It was the main cause of conflict in the 20th c. and has affected the fate of nations for the past oh 300 years at least. Yes it is a real and serious disagreement about the very nature of our society, so by all means disagree.

But you should start by understanding that you are not as smart and well-informed as you think you are and we are much smarter and well-informed than you think we are. Learn, and then debate.

brett said...

San Antonio had 16,000 according to police there.

Reasons for the parties:
1. Stop spending outrageously
2. DECREASE debt
3. Protest Bush and Obama spending
4. Demand for a decrease in Federal power
5. Stop the government from believing it's their role to help every one out, it isn't.
6. Return to constitutional government, that has been drifting away since Teddy Roosevelt and has become blatantly obvious under Bush and Obama.
7. Get rid of the FED, or at least audit it. It's been messing things up since 1913.
8. Simplify the 65,000 page tax code. Most favor a Fair or flat tax. I prefer a flat tax, with a single poverty line where they would be exempt.
9. Hold politicians accountable to having principles and values.
10. Protest Corporatism, (end government/business relationships and lobbying)
11. Demand for Capitalism, a return of power to the people, with self regulation. Small businesses given a chance.
12. Local issues (i.e. protesting the TTC in Texas)
13. Let the politicians and media know that people want their voice to be heard and NOT to be mocked and scorned with the same arrogance displayed by the same people last night.

Yehudit said...

Berkeley Bear in Illinois, Cinncinatus was the model of the humble ordinary citizen who is called to public service, and when he is done, he resigns and goes back to private life. Some dictator.

George Washington was compared to Cinncinatus because he refused the temptation to keep trying to stay in office after 2 terms, or to make himself king, and went back to private life.

So you can see how someone in our movement would take the nom de plume Cincinnatus. Jeez, you people don't know ANYTHING.

Yehudit said...

" ... And, isn't there a "Redeye" show on Fox? Were they presenting a "Redeye Teabagging" show?"

Why here is RedEye host Greg Gutfeld on that very topic:
http://www.dailygut.com/?i=4169

Statler N Waldorf said...

Reasons why the party-goers are complete tools:

1) Outrageous spending? Where the fuck were you when people said the Iraq War wasn't going to cost us much?
2) Decrease Debt? Because debt incurred in the name of repairing decaying infrastructure is unwise whereas debt incurred buying out of date military equipment is sound fiscal policy?
3) Bush and Obama spending. Again, if you really care about Bush's spending, tell McConnell and Boehner to defund the war in Iraq.
4) federal power.... like Dick Cheney?
5) No, the government's role is to screw everyone over, right?
6) So Teddy Roosevelt was too radical for you?
7) The Fed is the only reason why we haven't gone into a Depression since the 1930's. Before then, Congress was having floor debates over what to set interest rates at-imagine 530 men with no experience in banking at all having a prolonged argument over interest rates during an economic meltdown. Are you fucking crazy?
8) A flat tax? Granted, it's slightly better than a regressive tax, but there's a reason why Steve Forbes has never managed to get past the primaries. The primary engine pf the US economy is consumer spending-people who already own everything don't buy new stuff. When you already own 5 cars, why buy a sixth? It's the people who don't own a car that will go out and buy one-and those are the people who need tax breaks so as to encourage them to spend. better to have a progressive tax schedule, where the wealthier share a greater tax burden so as to ease the burden on the people who actually buy shit.
9) Don't you think Obama's holding people to account more than Bush did? EricHolder just let Ted Stevens-Ted Stevens off the hook because DOJ people disrespected his Constitutional rights. Meanwhile, a Congressman in California who was implicated int eh Chandra Levy death back in 2003 was booted from office by Fox News' constant portrayal of him as the murderer.... only now we know he didn't do it. So Democrats are willing to stand on legal principle while Fox will attack people without any legal basis-who do you trust more?
10) I agree, corporatism sucks, small businesses should be given a leg up-at least we agree on something.
11) We have capitalism, dumbass... if we didn't, you'd be bartering for food instead of buying it at the store.
12) Too vague. Can't address your issues until you list them.
13) Mocked? The people aren't being mocked by anyone except the right wing corporate sponsors of the Teabagging Event, who managed to sucker you tools into protesting against your own economic interests. Your outrage is fake, it's something that wouldn't exist if it weren't for Talk Radio and Fox. You were told to be angry, so you are... you don't know why you're angry, but Limbaugh told you you should be, so you are.

Chris Nandor said...

Statler N Waldorf, that was one of the most useless comments in the history of comments.

It would have been more honest and accurate for you to just say "no matter what people on the right wing say or do, I will think it is stupid and make up reasons to back me up."

ReaoftheNorth said...

Statler N Waldorf said...

Reasons why the party-goers are complete tools:
First, the only place these Party-goers are tools in in your delusion.

1) Outrageous spending? Where the fuck were you when people said the Iraq War wasn't going to cost us much?>
Telling reps in gov. who didn't listen.
2) Decrease Debt? Because debt incurred in the name of repairing decaying infrastructure is unwise whereas debt incurred buying out of date military equipment is sound fiscal policy?>
No, because debt is debt, and spending on programs that don't work, on corporate bailouts, on pork and waste and bloated government is wrong.
3) Bush and Obama spending. Again, if you really care about Bush's spending, tell McConnell and Boehner to defund the war in Iraq.>
Get off the war, already.Or at least have some honesty - this overspending has been going on for years, across both Dem and Repub control. This latest budget is just the last straw.
4) federal power.... like Dick Cheney?>
Like any form of overreaching government. Small, limited out of our wallets, check-books, homes and economy government.
5) No, the government's role is to screw everyone over, right?>
Wrong - but it does screw people over when it takes away their freedoms, individuality and tries to right the wrongs of the world.
6) So Teddy Roosevelt was too radical for you?
Yeah, especially when he declared that the gov should get to decide how much people make.
7) The Fed is the only reason why we haven't gone into a Depression since the 1930's. Before then, Congress was having floor debates over what to set interest rates at-imagine 530 men with no experience in banking at all having a prolonged argument over interest rates during an economic meltdown. Are you fucking crazy?>
No, just a better student of history. The Fed manipulates, but it isn't always right. And it hasn't always helped.
8) A flat tax? Granted, it's slightly better than a regressive tax, but there's a reason why Steve Forbes has never managed to get past the primaries. The primary engine pf the US economy is consumer spending-people who already own everything don't buy new stuff. When you already own 5 cars, why buy a sixth? It's the people who don't own a car that will go out and buy one-and those are the people who need tax breaks so as to encourage them to spend. better to have a progressive tax schedule, where the wealthier share a greater tax burden so as to ease the burden on the people who actually buy shit.>
What? Since when did people who have stuff ever settle for the stuff they have!?! Every American should pay some tax, even a small tax. We're all citizens, and a flat tax is the easiest and fairest way. Since when do "poor" people stop being citizens?
9) Don't you think Obama's holding people to account more than Bush did? Eric Holder just let Ted Stevens-Ted Stevens off the hook because DOJ people disrespected his Constitutional rights. Meanwhile, a Congressman in California who was implicated int eh Chandra Levy death back in 2003 was booted from office by Fox News' constant portrayal of him as the murderer.... only now we know he didn't do it. So Democrats are willing to stand on legal principle while Fox will attack people without any legal basis-who do you trust more?>
Are you kidding? Eric Holder let Stevens off? Right - how good of Holder, AFTER Stevens lost his seat to a Dem. What abt the "no lobbyists" promise? Worse are the nominees and cabinet pics who want us to knuckle under to international law. The problem isn't Dem or Repub - its that we haven't held ALL pols to their promises, and expected them to have principles!!!
10) I agree, corporatism sucks, small businesses should be given a leg up-at least we agree on something.>
Get out of the way of small business, agreed
11) We have capitalism, dumbass... if we didn't, you'd be bartering for food instead of buying it at the store.
No, we don't. We have bastardized capitalism, manipulated capitalism.
12) Too vague. Can't address your issues until you list them.>
Each person would have to list them, that's the point of "local" issues.
13) Mocked? The people aren't being mocked by anyone except the right wing corporate sponsors of the Teabagging Event, who managed to sucker you tools into protesting against your own economic interests. Your outrage is fake, it's something that wouldn't exist if it weren't for Talk Radio and Fox. You were told to be angry, so you are... you don't know why you're angry, but Limbaugh told you you should be, so you are.>
Blah, blah, blah. What abt the granny at the Philly party who doesn't have cable and doesn't "do" computers - she was manipulated by people she doesn't listen to or watch? You can tell yourself that tired lie - if it makes you feel superior- but the more than 100,000 diverse, strong, pissed-at-both parties protesters aren't anybody's tools. And, moron, we get the sophmoric silliness over "tea-bagging" And we don't care. My outrage isn't faked, and I don't need some blowhard TV or radio personality to tell me my kids deserve a fair chance to be whatever their hard work will make them. And they don't deserve a government who will limit their opportunities out of some misguided, socialistic attempt to make society "fair".

Patti said...

Bellingham WA had more than 4000 people participating and they are not on your list. That is the report from the local news station and from those in attendance.

burnsidekarate said...

most of the supporters of this movement were at WORK. Someone has to pay the bills in the Obama economy.

Tim Mecklem said...

Cincinnati's rally had well over 2,000. The police estimated between 4,000-5,000.

Dave and Rachael said...

Idaho had several tea parties where several thousand people attended. Only Boise is listed. Let's get the truth out there.

Amy said...

I appreciate your attempt to objectively quantify the numbers, but you fundamentally misunderstand this event. It was not a NYC or capital city event, it was a hometown event. In my hometown, the Woodlands, Texas, we had 7,000 in attendance. Confirm this at woodlandsonline.com our local online paper. From reading your blog, there were many other events in hometowns around the country. This is the real story.

Zeke said...

Funny you mentioned Portland for it's big Obama rally but left them off the Tea Party list. There was a large Tea Party there, in Pioneer Square. The local paper put the number at 1000. Also 300 in Medford, OR. And several hundred in Oregon City, OR and 3000 in Salem, OR according to the Oregonian. There was also a rally in Vancouver, WA.

As for Olympia, Washington being "rural", as a big-time political pundit I'd expect you to remember and note that it is the state capital of Washington. So, I think one might expect state capitals to draw increased numbers of protesters, eh?

semmons said...

Funny how many people profess to know all the details of the Tea Parties but never went to one. I never thought I would be called a potential domestic terrorist by the Department of Homeland Security, or a "nutjob" or "racist" by the media. I like many others in this country went to a Tax Day Tea Party. There was no yelling, fighting, property destruction, or name-calling, that so often mar other types of protests. It was peaceful and amazingly inspiring and made me very proud to be an American. People from all walks of life, young and old, blue collar workers, small business owners, farmers, teachers, and veterans, Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, spoke eloquently about their frustration with our elected officials in Washington and the corruption that seems rampant in BOTH PARTIES -- from politicians who don't pay their taxes, to pork-barrel spending and bailouts of mega-corporations that will put an enormous tax burden on our children and grandchildren.


The final stimulus bill was 1588 pages and spends 850 billion dollars of our hard-earned money and our elected representatives passed this bill without even reading it. You can go to the Library of Congress website and read it for yourself, but I guarantee it will make you sick. But there's more . . . much more, and as we watch our national debt escalate into the trillions, a few of us stood up from cities large and small all over America:

10,000 in Nashville, TN
5,000 in Cincinnati, OH
20,000 in San Antonio, TX,
2,500 in Rochester, MN
20,000 in Atlanta, GA,
2,500 in Hauppauge, NY
5,000 in Denver, CO
4,000 in Tuscon, AZ
3,000 in Naples, FL
and on and on . . .

The numbers are still coming in from everywhere. (There were 760 organizers of this event.) The news media reported a few hundred here and there, but the signatures sent to Washington will tell the story. In our little city of Yuma, AZ the organizers expected about 300 because it wasn't really publicized here. The final count was 1,500 with 1,082 signing a resolution to be sent to all levels of government.

I am proud to live in a country where we still have the right to meet and express opposition to government policies. There are more events planned and I will be a part of them. I just wanted to set the record straight for those of you who were concerned because of the misinformation being broadcast everywhere.

Roxi said...

you can add 1,000 in Springfield, Mo

there was also a very large crowd in Branson, Mo, i have heard the numbers speculated at 7,000 but I have no idea if that is true

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just said...

New Braunfels, TX - 300
http://herald-zeitung.com/story.lasso?ewcd=648b553a8ba4c527

Unfortunately had to see all the loonies while in a funeral procession for a dear, departed family member.

Kolache Kid said...

The Tea Parties have an agenda but it's not what the people believe. For example, Atlanta. If Sean Hannity had asked "How many of you want to see the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 continue? Raise your hand." Assuming the attendees could think for themselves, besides Hannity's raised hand, few and possibly none in the crowd would follow his lead. The people who would most benefit from the Tea Party's hidden agenda didn't have to attend. Those Atlantans were attending their own version of a party at the country club drinking mint juleps! People are easily led. Let's blame it on public education.

Chris Nandor said...

Kool-Aid Kid,

Wow. "Since I disagree with them, there's no way they could understand what they said." Nice point of view.

You are, in fact, completely wrong. Sorry. There was no "hidden agenda" and Fox did not organize any of the Tea Parties, nor attend most of them. Many of us in the middle class actually believe a tax increase for "wealthy" people is bad for the economy; encourages massive overspending by government; denies liberty; etc.

You can disagree with any of these points, but don't bring that weak nonsense in here about how people are stupid because you disagree with them (especially when you prove that you're not very bright -- or that you're dishonest -- by misrepresenting their views).

Traveling Chef said...

I went to the Bartlesville, OK teaparty in from of City Hall. There was nobody there...

Traveling Chef said...

Looking at who actully came to the partys there were several agendas.
1) A Ron Paulist libertarian one
2) A antiObama racist one
3) an anti all tax one

the rich guys with the limos and drivers were not there.

Chris Nandor said...

Chef, stop watching MSNBC, you're being lied to. I was one of 5,000 people in Olympia WA protesting, and there was no racism, and few of the people were RonPaulians or anti-all-taxes. The overwhelming message was anti-tax-increases, anti-stimulus-package, anti-massive-spending, etc.

That is, again, overwhelmingly, the primary agenda.

(Yes, federal taxes are not going up now for the middle class, but a. they will have to -- directly or indirectly -- eventually because of the massive new debt, and b. our state government is working on several tax increase packages.)

davers said...

As an experienced event organizer I've noticed that inexperienced people-counters always significantly UNDERestimate crowds. 10x10 people ... that's 100 people. I can easily fit 100 people in our living room and it's about average size.

People usually guess 1000 (33x33) people to look like around 500 (22x22)people. They usually guess 5000 (70x70) to be around 1600 (40x40). All it takes for 10,000 people is 100 rows of 100 people. In rallies these people are packed in pretty tight.

With these numbers estimated by inexperienced estimators I'm guessing any inflation is offset by underestimation. Furthermore those who thought they were far less are most likely wrong.

Steve Shirk said...

I'm not sure who all these comments are made by, most likely moveon.org or acorn, but I can assure you this is only the beginning of what will be a revolution of americans who are determined to take our country back, and not from Obama. We will take it back from the democrats and republicans and instill a new government that actually represents the people. we will not have any career politicians. We will govern ourselves, not unlike the way we handle jury duty today. If you really want to continue counting you need to use the voting booths in 2010.

IMO, Xian said...

Essentially this is a show of force for the part of the Republican base.

Just like there's less of a turnout during mid-term elections, I would put money on the idea that less people are politically active or interested during the "off season," so the people they were able to mobilize indicates the hard core, the "base of the Republican base," the people who might happily man phones and go door to door, and would be a great roadmap for the GOP to figure out how to direct their dollars. As such, these numbers could be used to weigh projections of GOP voter turnout if you agree that "ground game" is the most important indicator.

Note: I had to read 194 posts to make sure no one made this point already. It was terrible.

Chris Nandor said...

I'd say that a lot of these people ARE NOT the base. I went to my second Tea Party three days ago, on Saturday, and many of the people there -- including the organizers! -- are not normally politically active, and don't do doorbelling and that sort of thing. They're just angry and want to do something so are becoming involved.

Dr. Kennible Lecter said...

these numbers are not at all accurate. but why would they be coming from an obamaphite.

i was involved at the april 15th tea party in tucson and we had, according to TPD estimates, 4000
people...

5500 showed up for the 4th of july.

this is a growing movement.

REVOLUTION IS THE SOLUTION!!!

ass said...

From cell phones users to see the specific situation of occupational segmentation in 2009, accounting for 19.5% of students dropped 21.2 percent over last year, other types of occupations than those last year, the proportion of Internet users cheap cell phones increase. White collar crowd from last year's 29.2% increase to 38.9% this year, accounting for 9.7 percentage points up to replace the student groups cellphone users as one of the biggest occupational hierarchy; blue-collar crowd from last year's 13.9% to 18.9% this year, accounting for rose by 5.0 percentage points, showing that mobile phones users by a group of students to the occupational groups a significant trend in the development. Ereli advice that, cheap cell phones and mobile phone users Internet users monthly income distribution of age, education, occupational distribution has strong correlation with high spending capacity of white-collar workers and some students in the crowd will be a huge cell phone china online potential consumer groups.

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By comparing the traditional Internet users, Internet users to iResearch found that the traditional white-collar-based, cell phones wholesale, corporate general staff accounted for 18.9%, higher than the 5.6% of the wholesale cell phones users accounting; and discount cell phones users in the years students and blue-collar workers accounted for significantly more than the traditional Internet users, respectively, accounting for 19.5% and 18.9%, higher than the traditional Internet users Students and blue-collar workers accounted for 7.8% and 5.1% respectively.