3.26.2009

The Right Way to Fix Wall Street's Pay

In recent posts, I've expressed some sympathy toward Wall Street professionals, whom I think are too easy to stigmatize for the economic crisis that we find ourselves in. This does not mean, however, that I don't think these guys (and they are almost always guys) aren't overpaid. On the contrary, there is some rather compelling economic evidence that they are making more than they are worth.

Between 1992 and 2007, pay in the securities industry roughly doubled in real dollar terms, from an already-high $119,064 per employee to an extraordinarily high $234,594 per person. That 97 percent increase was by far the highest of any of the 61 industry sub-classifications tracked by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (the average American worker's pay increased by about 20 percent over this period).



Why did Wall Street pay increase so substantially during this period? There are a lot of interesting hypotheses, but the chart below, taken from a new paper (.pdf) written by Thomas Philippon of New York University and Ariell Reshef of the University of Virginia, provides perhaps the most compelling case. There has historically been a very strong relationship, they find, between the amount of deregulation in the financial services sector and the pay that its employees receive:



Wall Street pay has been very high before -- in the Pre-Depression Era that was characterized, like the era we find ourselves in now, by extremely lax regulation. Philippon and Reshef hypothesize that "regulation inhibits the ability to exploit the creativity and innovation of educated and skilled workers [while] deregulation unleashes creativity and innovation and increases demand". In other words, the laxer the regulatory environment, the more ways there are to try and beat the system -- and the more Wall Street is willing to pay for people who can figure out ways to do so. Products like credit default swaps, for instance, are extremely complex and require much skill to arbitrage, far more so than the trading of ordinary stocks and bonds.

Even accounting for the fact that laxer regulatory environments increase the premium on highly-skilled workers, however, Philippon and Reshef find that professionals in the securities industry are overpaid. Specifically, they are overpaid by roughly 40% relative to their educational backgrounds and risk of job loss. This can be inferred, for example, by comparing the pay of Wall Street employees to that of engineers, two jobs that require broadly similar skill sets -- the gap between engineer and financier pay has been increasing:



One thing that Philippon and Reshef don't address is why and how this discrepancy has managed to sustain itself. Say that you have a set of identical twins, Marvin and Melvin; Marvin works on Wall Street and makes $140,000 per year, and Melvin works as an engineer and makes $100,000 per year. What should happen, in an efficient market, is that Melvin will undercut Marvin; he'd be willing to do Marvin's job for, say, $110,000 per year. This would save the firm $30K per year and so they should hire Melvin. But this has largely not been what's happening.

I have a pet theory about why this has occurred. My hunch is that the financial services sector has been artificially limiting its labor supply by confining its hiring to an extremely small number of elite undergraduate and business schools, such as the Ivy League, the U. of Chicago, Stanford and M.I.T. Maybe the reason that Marvin is an investment banker and Melvin an engineer is because Marvin went to Yale and Melvin went to Purdue, and the bank only recruits at Yale and not at Purdue. Indeed, while the participation of Ivy League graduates in leadership positions in non-financial companies has been decreasing, the same has not been true at investment banks. One can easily imagine, moreover, how this trend could be self-perpetuating. You get a bunch of Harvard, Yale and Stanford grads in management positions at investment banks, and they're probably going to be predisposed to hire other Harvard, Yale and Stanford grads.

Over time, there would theoretically be incentives for this pattern to correct itself: one firm would hire a bunch of really smart state school kids, realize it was getting better work for less pay, and provide more value to its shareholders. However, firms in extremely profitable industries -- and until about 18 months ago, investment banking was extremely profitable -- may not feel the same imperatives to optimize their labor costs. In the real world, managers are more sensitive to the difference between a $10 million profit and a $10 million loss than they are to the difference between a $40 million profit and a $20 million profit, even though economically speaking the savings ($20 million) are the same.

This is something I have observed, for example, in the baseball industry: throughout most of the 1990s and the 2000s, baseball teams were almost certainly paying too much for free agent talent. But they were also making money hand over fist, and so the excesses were easy to ignore. Now that the recession has placed more profitability pressure on major league clubs, they have become much more efficient about optimizing their pay structures, and free agent salaries have declined.

But back to the point at hand: it may not only be that laxer regulation triggers greater compensation, but also that greater compensation triggers laxer regulation. As Philippon and Reshef speculate:

In retrospect, it is clear that regulators did not have the human capital to keep up with the financial industry, and to understand it well enough to be able to exert effective regulation. Given the wage premia that we document, it was impossible for regulators to attract and retain highly-skilled financial workers, because they could not compete with private sector wages. Our approach therefore provides an explanation for regulatory failures.
That is, the excessive wages paid by Wall Street not only lure talent away from other parts of the private sector, but also from the public sector, where employees are subject to government wage controls. The very people who might be the most capable of enforcing regulations on the banks instead wind up working for them.

This is a very real problem. Some of the work that I did in my first job after college at KPMG involved valuing intellectual property in conjunction with international tax disputes. We had our economists, and the IRS had theirs. The thing was, however, that our economists were better than the IRS's, because if someone at the IRS was any good, we'd hire them away and treble their salary. Part of a good regulatory reform plan, then, would be to increase the salaries paid to employees at institutions like the Fed, the Treasury, the IRS, and the FDIC.

The more general point, however, is that if the Obama administration is serious about regulating the banks, they might also find that this places downward pressure on pay within the industry. What seems like two fights -- on executive pay and regulation -- may really be just one.

70 comments

Stanley said...

First! I'll bask in the glow and humbly suggest that the phrase is "hand over fist" not "hand over foot".

Always a pleasure, Nate.

Brendan said...

It's also likely there is a demand gap between being an engineer and a wall street professional. Many engineers I know enjoy the money but do it because they enjoy engineering. Most of the Finance people I know do it for the money (and some enjoy what they do). That is, the engineer might not be willing to do a wall street job instead of an engineering job for only $10,000 more.

Tony C. said...

Nate:

I'd suggest the alternative to increasing salaries for IRS executives would be for the IRS to contract economists or statisticians as opposition to KPMG on significant issues, like valuing the IP you speak of.

Let the market find the highly paid, and pit them against each other when necessary. Perhaps we can do this on contingency, give the contracting firm some base fee plus a 15% commission on whatever they gain for the IRS.

PeteKent said...

What about George Soros pay? Who is regulating that shadowy middleman who made billions last year on the the global downturn?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1164771/Im-having-good-crisis-says-hedge-fund-manager-1billion-world-plunged-recession.html

Soros is bankrolling Obama and is now betting big against the US dollar. Small wonder then that Obama's policies and his Admin's pronouncements (like Geithner yesterday suggesting SDRs were a bona fide alternative to the dollar! Only in Hollywood did Macy's send it customers to Gimbel's!) are causing the dollar to weaken and make it eventually crumble. That will be the death knell not only for the US economy but the world economy as well.

The industrialized world will be finished for a decade once there is no longer a financial safe haven for the world's liquid assets.

This is the gravest threat to our economic stability yet!



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Specv63 said...

Spot on again, Mr. Silver. This is the first time I've seen these two battles framed together, and it seems to make alot of sense. I just hope the administration and congress understand this, or rather, choose not to play politics and do what is right. I believe they understand all of this, they just like to fight the populist battles to score political points with the masses.

omegaleph said...

"and treble their salary"

>_>

Also, I'm uncertain how an engineer and investment banker are similar career paths or require the same kind of people. They both require intelligence, but the kind of people who enjoy engineering are not necessarily the same people who ould enjoy investing.

Specv63 said...

The devaluation of the dollar, atleast to an extent, is good for the US. All of our foreign liabilities are denominated in US Dollars, and all of our foreign assets are denominated in foreign currency. A falling Dollar means our liabilities loose value and our assets gain. Not to mention, the specter of inflation, which is what happens when you print excess money, if picked up by the news outlets, could cause the populous to spend rather than save.

Specv63 said...

The devaluation of the dollar, atleast to an extent, is good for the US. All of our foreign liabilities are denominated in US Dollars, and all of our foreign assets are denominated in foreign currency. A falling Dollar means our liabilities lose value and our assets gain. Not to mention, the specter of inflation, which is what happens when you print excess money, if picked up by the news outlets, could cause the populous to spend rather than save.

nova_middle_man said...

Ugh too many conflicting points in this post

Bottom line

More regulation = harder to make profits = lower salaries

Your salary thing is a pipe dream Government will never be able to compete with industry. Its the same phenomon with lobbyists/lawyers on K street vs the government.

Interstingly government can attract high level engineers (NSA for example) the other poster hit on this but engineers are more inclined to be motivated by the ability to tinker and interesting work over money. This isn't a motivating factor in finance/law

As far as engineers vs finance people. I agree with your hypothesis. There is no such thing as a white shoe engineering firm for the higher salaries. Corporate finance jobs (pool from all kinds of schools) and engineering jobs pay roughly the same to start.

As far as the gap later on for whatever reason management values MBA types over engineers. (Full disclosure I started in tech and am getting my MBA for that main reason) The tech glass ceiling is a real phenomona.

Juris said...

Nate, you may have seen the articles about mathematicians and physicists migrating to finance (and working as "quants"). I'd venture that their credentials aren't just Wharton, HBS, SBS, and Sloan. Now one can argue about the net benefit to the economy (and specifically also to Wall Street investment houses) of bringing in such personnel.

But what it suggests about the Marvin-Melvin comparison is that the really smart Purdue-trained engineer (or Caltech trained physicist) may well be hirable in finance because of his quant skills.

In other words, like your own career, your college diploma is not your destiny.

Tony C. said...

In general, as a consultant for twenty-five years I have been privy to executive arrangements at large hospitals, large insurance companies, public corporations, and a dozen other businesses.

My impression from that experience is that high executive pay is always the result of some collusion; they pay high because they can, and this is what greases the wheels of corporate politics.

As one example, when a public scandal ousted a hospital administrator, a new one was found in a hurry by IBM. And the new administrator proceeded to waste $2M on a new IBM mainframe we did not need at all, and hired the consulting firm that had recommended him to IBM to perform a $250K "study" of working conditions in the hospital. This $250K study consisted of a quite pretty woman interviewing a random sampling of workers with a multiple choice questionnaire on a clipboard. That was it, one week, $250K.

That is not my only example, I have seen similar legal but questionable arrangements in the insurance industry, in a state welfare agency.

Corporate management and the boards have the power, and if they also have the financial leeway, they siphon off a percentage of the profits and distribute it among themselves, but not based on merit. It is based on internal political wrangling, an implicit (and sometimes explicit) quid pro quo.

If you pay me double what I'm worth, I'll pay you double what you are worth.

tedesson said...

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2009/03/taleb_on_the_fi.html

Capitalism requires both risk and reward. If there is no risk, things get all screwed up. The Financial industry management, through salaries and bonuses, got paid first, without taking any risk.

A terrific discussion with Nassim Taleb of The Black Swan, and Fooled by Randomness.

K said...

Business people in general are a lot like athletes. In fact, a pretty large chunk of business people played sports in High School or College. In many ways this is beneficial to society. They are aggressive and willing to try new things and take risks. For the most part, this is good for society. The real problem with socialism is that one person or team makes an economic decision for the rest of the population. With a free-market we have hundreds or even thousands of individuals or businesses working to provide the best solution. Usually, bad ideas fail and good ideas prosper. Sometimes bad ideas prosper and good ideas fail. The problem is that it is absoulely riduculous to expect business to self-regulate and there is probably no industry where that is more apparent than the financial industry. Do we let Johan Santana call his own balls and strikes? Adam Morrision would probably be the next Larry Bird if he could call his own fouls. That’s why we have referees to control the competition and make it fair. This financial mess isn’t Wall Streets fault. They were doing what they were supposed to be doing.

This is the fault of the federal government and the people that elected them over the last thirty years. It is the government’s job to be the referee and make sure the competition is fair. The government has failed to do this. People will say that many on Wall Street pushed for this de-regulation. Of course they did! People don’t like rules imposed on them. That doesn’t mean the government shouldn’t do anything. I’m sure Jared Allen thinks the roughing the passer rule is stupid. It directly limits his ability to be sucessful. But there is a rule in place because the ruling body deemed it necessary to keep things safe and fair.

For the last thirty years at least half, and often more, of voters voted for a party that thought government was the problem. When this people where in power, they made sure to make the government as disfunctional as possible in order to prove their point. They openly admit to trying to bankrupt the federal government by “starving the beast.” Unfortunately, there are enough rednecks and biblethumpers in a particular region of this country that will vote for anyone who will stall the progress of racial relations in this country, no matter how much they mess other things up in the process.

The North should have never fought the Civil War. If the South had actually broken away, they would have quickly devolved into a third-world country. They had no industrial base and only really started to get one in the 1980s. As slavery continued, the number of blacks would continue to surpass the number of whites. Eventually the South would have had its own Civil War, and, as usually happens, the majority (Blacks) would eventually win. We would never have to see another confederate flag and we wouldn’t have had these idiots running the country for the last thirty years. Its quite ironic that it has become the task of the first African-American president in our history to fix the collateral damage of the South’s Culture War, which has acually become a much bigger problem than the orginal problem, racism. Remember, it’s not Mexicans stealing our jobs, its redneck in Tennessesse who aren’t smart enough to elect officials who will protect them instead of continuing the South’s Culture War on anyone who isn’t like them.

Jeff said...

While you are working yourself into a lather about all of this salary collusion, corruption, etc., you might want to investigate the ill gotten gains of present officials such as Richard Holbrooke and Rahm Emmanuel:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-rahm-emanuel-profit-26-mar26,0,5682373.story

The days of flaying Halliburton are over. Time for you Dems to start cleaning up your own house.

K said...

Also, the reason that finance is so financial rewarding is because there are no low level employees to be paid. Engineers need factory or construction workers to make thier products. In Finance most of the work is done by relatively few highly skilled workers. There is also an economy of scale question. It will generally take an engineer twice as long to design two projects as it would one. However, someone in finance can manage $10,000,000 with the same amount of time and effort they could manage $1,000,000. When there is deregulation, profits go up. Because the work force is mostly a small group of highly-skilled employees, there compensation increases faster than it would for a normal worker whose company made more profits. The finance model is similar to professional sports. There are a few highly skilled workers and they can entertain 100 million people for virtually the same cost as entertaining one.

Brian said...

With deregulation comes the need for talented people with alot of greed and very limited morals to cover the tracks of dubious business practices or to just plain hide outright manipulation in a quasi-legal and highly arcane financial devices.

In a regulated market, you just need plain-old boring vanilla accountants to keep track of highly supervisored, minimally leveraged, legal business practices...

Juris said...

@NATE, I suspect that the observation in your first graphic, which looks at the relation between regulation and salaries in finance over time, could also fit different branches of banking and finance. That is, the more regulated the activity, the lower the salaries (or salaries of the top segment of employees). You get rich quickest in the very lightly regulated area of hedge funds; you get rich less quickly if you are merely a banker or in banking regulated by the FDIC.

And of course if you're Bernie Maddow, whose activities occurred because of a failure of regulatory oversight (by the SEC), you get to play a Ponzi scheme for years and years.

In his testimony today Geithner is making essentially this same argument: risk takers in finance look for the least regulated way to make money; they find the seams and gaps in regulation and head there. The current legislative goal, then, according to Geithner is to plug those gaps as well as protect the economy against organizations whose failure represents substantial system-wide risk.

harold said...

Nate -

You are actually exactly right, no matter what anyone else says.

I have a pet theory about why this has occurred. My hunch is that the financial services sector has been artificially limiting its labor supply by confining its hiring to an extremely small number of elite undergraduate and business schools, such as the Ivy League, the U. of Chicago, Stanford and M.I.T. Maybe the reason that Marvin is an investment banker and Melvin an engineer is because Marvin went to Yale and Melvin went to Purdue, and the bank only recruits at Yale and not at Purdue.

This is actually a form of indirect nepotism. Direct nepotism also plays a role.

Quite bluntly, this is exactly what is going on in the investments industry.

To a large degree, the fees paid by wealthy investors on their accounts have been "free money" for the last twenty-five years.

As long as accounts mainly go up, investors are not prone to shift their money around.

Investors tend to want their money managed by people who come from the same social background as they do, and those people tend to hire their colleagues on the same basis.

There's nothing directly illegal going on but there is massive discrimination, with a small group of people selected on the basis of address, alma maters, preferred leisure activities, etc, being handed jobs that most readers of this blog could perform quite handily (arguably far better), for money that most readers of this blog can't even imagine.

There are also the odds-beating workhorses who handle the IT and accounting, of course, but they are superimposed on the system.

The resemblance to a developing medieval aristocracy is quite strong.

harold said...

Oops, I forgot one thing -

There is one big type of discrimination that probably is illegal going on - age discrimination.

That's another part of the reason why the engineer twin can't switch into that analyst job, even though he's willing to do it better for less.

a progressive crank said...

The thing was, however, that our economists were better than the IRS's, because if someone at the IRS was any good, we'd hire them away and treble their salary.

What if some people actually prefer doing work that benefits the common good vs lining their pockets, damn the consequences or provenance of the money?

The real problem with socialism is that one person or team makes an economic decision for the rest of the population.

And the CEOs of the car companies who have resisted every effort to make products that people can use without wrecking the air we breathe or kill us (were seat belts or air bags their idea or the government's?) are different from this how? Likewise Enron. And as noted elsewhere in comments, these people all know each other or can be persuaded to engage in a little log-rolling/back-scratching.

You're thinking of communism with it's reliance on central committees and five-year plans, I suspect. And we know how that worke out. if socialism was such a failure, I wouldn't see quite so many Volvos and Saabs on the road. Any ideology that empowers our worst instincts is bad, no matter what you call it, and every ideology has the power to do that.

Chuck said...

@ Nate, RE: the differential btwn engineers and finance types. I think a number of posters have noted that engineers might be 'happier,' but I think the compensation numbers might not be properly 'risk adjusted'. For example, I believe that engineers are more likely to work for firms that offer defined benefit pensions and retiree health care. This might reflect a natural risk aversion in that particular career. (This happens in a number of other industries as well, but I don't think they are necessarily as comparable). Anyway, my general point is that I suspect finance types are generally more risk taking so some of this is reflected in pay--a so-called 'risk premium' built in to their pay. I also suspect that, since compensation typically counts current compensation (rather than the present value) of compensation, your industry compensation table might be a bit skewed.

BillyPilgrim said...

@ Nate: "Maybe the reason that Marvin is an investment banker and Melvin an engineer is because Marvin went to Yale and Melvin went to Purdue, and the bank only recruits at Yale and not at Purdue"

As an engineer, I resent this. Maybe Melvin is an engineer because he wants to enjoy what he does, or because he wants to have a positive effect on society.

BillyPilgrim said...

I'm sure someone's going to come along and tell me I missed the point. I don't think I have. If people picked their professions based solely on income we'd have a lot more prostitutes and hitmen.

caincentiv said...

Brilliant analysis. Rather than have the government pay higher for regulators, have the industry "donate" them, with a randomized selection of investment folks serving for a period of two years, with the investment industry paying their salaries.

Given the opportunity to stick it to the competiton, all firms but the "alma mater" would probably get more than their share of scrutiny. By selecting a "basket" of firms to supply regulators, the bias for the home firm is mitigated

Veek said...

Nate, I'm surprised you didn't consider that the engineer would not want to take the business job for a little more money. Most people choose jobs with a lot more in mind than just compensation, and actually consider what they would want to do for the rest of their lives. As an engineer, I definitely am not interested in taking a business job with ANY salary increase, unless it were to be ridiculously high enough to allow me to quit after a few years and personally invest in engineering companies.

I find that the only attraction about a business job is the high salary. The type of work, the hours, etc, none of it seems appealing. To generalize from personal experiences, I find that people I know who go into finance really do so for the money as the dominant motivation. They find themselves unwilling or uninterested to do jobs in science or engineering, and think that business is something they can just succeed at with good interpersonal skills, mediocre math skills, etc. It tends to attract the sort of person who may not be talented enough or motivated enough for engineering, science, or math, but has too high standards or ambition to not accept a possibly more meaningful job such as being a teacher, work for a nonprofit, etc. That is probably as good a reason for salary inflation as any: that the entire industry is set up to attract people with high salary ambitions.

Of course, I'm generalizing, but by and large, these are my experiences and the advantages/disadvantages/incentives of the industry are set up to attract people who value money over type of work on the whole.

cgotterba said...

Nate, as a general comment, any way you could post the correlation coefficient when using a graph to demonstrate the correlation between two variables. I like your blog because it isn't afraid of numbers in a world where everybody seems to be.

harold said...

Caincentiv -

Rather than have the government pay higher for regulators, have the industry "donate" them, with a randomized selection of investment folks serving for a period of two years, with the investment industry paying their salaries.

Rather than paying for a lock on the hen house door, why not draft some foxes to keep guard?

The idea that big financial firms are in stiff competition and do not engage in collaboration is naive in the extreme, and even if it were true, the problem of such regulators playing favorites for their own firm would be severe.

nova_middle_man said...

Main point again. People are motivated by cash and greed.

@ Billy

Actually for most people we are. Look at the inner city for example. Major occupations are hoes and drug runners. I would do the same thing if the only alternative was minimum wage at MCDs. I think the majority of us would

The thing that keeps most people away from those occupations is the shortened life span and opportunites from a college education for longer career growth. So instead of being a hoe or a drug runner you can be a consultant, salesman, wall street guy or lawyer. I'll let the readers see the similarities in both sets of career paths.

Let's take a popular strawman for saying people aren't motivated by money. The teaching profession. I think we can all agree teachers don't do if for the money so why do they do it?

Because they care about children??? Thats a common stated cliam but lets look at the facts

Over 50% of teachers quit after the first three years. Main issue lack of salary

If you talk to teachers that chose to stay. People that have worked 15+ years why did they stay?

Summers off
Balance to raise a family
Benefits/Retirement plan
No other options available for the same pay

There are some teachers out there who actually like it and are great with kids. But they are a unfortunate minority.

Ok so lets look at other professions. All the kids that majored in liberal arts... Where do they end up working after they figure out they can't survive on less then 30k a year. Business or one of the occupations noted above.

I rest my case. I admit I'm a bit cynical and jaded but I don't think I am that far off from reality. Most people want to make more money and would jump at the chance if lack of education/skills weren't holding them back.

I will also admit once you get married and/or have kids your life experience/values can dramtically change. humm Most lawyers/doctors/wall street people are single or are in the midst of divorce... coincidence I think not.

cgotterba said...

Also - I wonder what the result would be if you computed the wage per hour. People on Wall Street work longer hours than engineers - I wonder how much of a difference that accounts for. It ought to be an easy thing to measure.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

The profit margins shot through the roof when WJC dropped the capital gains taxes and furthermore when GWB dropped them even further. Some of those profits were passed onto the employees via pay and bonuses. Drop engineers tax rate anywhere from 13%-23% and you'll see that gap close quickly.

I think the financial sector went from being 5% of our economy in the early 90's to over 20% right before this collapse.

And for anyone interested, the online town hall is about to start HERE

Greg said...

I can definitely support the example from KPMG. I work at NERA Economic Consulting in the Antitrust practice, so we are constantly involved in cases with the FTC and DOJ. They simply cannot recruit the kind of talent at the undergrad or PhD level that we can, and it shows in the work product. I'm fairly certain that quality of life is probably even better working for either of those institutions, but the difference in salary (especially once you get beyond your first year) is overwhelming.

interested reader nyc said...

Nate, on the relationship between regulation and pay, have you considered that you are ignoring a potential non-independent variable? I think when economic times are good, regulation is relaxed and pay is up. When economic times are bad, regulation goes up and pay goes down. I am not saying that regulation or deregulation affects economic conditions, rather, economic conditions affect whether congress thinks we need more or less regulation (as a general matter). For example,the crash of 29 caused the SEC to come into existence, Enron caused Sarbanes Oxley etc. During the boom years, Congress was convinced to give up Glass Steagall. Is there any way to see if regulation precedes economic condition or trails it?

K said...

For the people who say people just choose business for the money I think you are wrong. This may be suprising to you, but quite a few people actually like business. In my experience, most of my classmates that did well in business actually enjoyed the subject. Sure there were sorority girls in Marketing because they couldn’t think of anything better and just plain boring, non-risk takers who liked the security of accounting, but they were generally the exception. Business school itself tends to be easier, but that is mostly because there aren’t really right or wrong answers to most questions once you get beyond your intro classes, which makes it difficult to grade too harshly.

I went to the University of Minnesota, which has a pretty good business school and a very good engineering school. Four of my roomates were engineering majors and by almost any objective measure I would be smarter than them (not that that really matters, but my SAT, ACT, and high school grades were a decent bit better than them.) The engineering school is actually easier to get into the business school, mostly because there is a lot more competition to get in. The concept that people with Finance MBAs aren’t engineers because they can’t do the math required is rediculous.

I also think people are spreading the blame too widely. There are really two groups to blame. The first is a relatively small group of Wall Street execs and politicians, who should have known better, but didn’t because they were only concerned with short-term profits. The second is a much larger group of American voters who continued to elect politicians who campaigned on making government less powerful. There have been many stories of lower level finance employees objecting to these practices, but noone listens to them. But this is pretty much the same as any other industry. People at the top make the decisions and lower level employees implement them.

There are a lot of people quick to demonize all business people, but that is very misguided. It is as stupid as the Republicans who demonize all scientists and then use examples like eugenics to prove their point. We as a society need to create rules that will prevent people from taking risks that affect others aversely. People want to make this a failure of Wall Street, but it is really a failure of government and the American voter. For 30 years people voted for people who promised to do the actual job of governing poorly. The Republicans manufactured a culture war and have used it to ruin the country. People got what they asked for.

Boing said...

Regulators should be paid better, but the problem is social as well as economic: at least in Britain, it's an old boys' club, in which regulators are taken out to dinner, sports events and the opera by the people they're supposed to be regulating.

K said...

I do think there is a problem with how Wall Street firms hire though. It is very concentrated in the schools you listed. Like I mention earlier, I went to the University of Minnesota Business school. When I was there we were generally ranked in the top 20 for undergraduate business schools. However, there was virtually no chance that anyone from there would get a job on Wall Street unless they had a prior connection there. None of the big Wall Street firms ever came on campus to recruit. And remember, this is the best business school in a state that has one of the most educated populations in the country and a very high number of Fortune 500 companies per capita. There had to be students there that would have qualified, but there were not given the chance.

There has definetly developed an Ivy League Class in this country. Who was the last person that had a serious chance of being president who didn’t go to an Ivy League school or one of the service academys? This wouldn’t be a problem if the Ivy League schools admitted the best and brightest, but instead they admit the best, the brightest, and the Bushes. But this isn’t just a problem with the Ivy League; it is pervasive throughout American society. We have not set “classes” but there are a lot of articficial barriers that prevent people from rising up.

Bryce said...

Part of the problem right now is that we don't have enough people in government service who are able to deal with the financial mess we're in. We can't do a temporary takeover of the banks in part because there aren't enough people available to run the banks in that situation. The stress testing of banks is taking longer than it ought to because there are too few regulators to conduct thorough reviews.

Proposal: If there is an inherent "talent gap" between the regulators and the regulated, why not require the regulated to pay for their own regulation?

Say that we decide the ideal ratio is one regulator for every twenty Wall Street financiers. The government levies a 5% tax on all forms of compensation (salary, bonuses, perks) that the employer pays. The money goes directly to the government, to pay the salaries of regulators.

Then, no matter what happens to salaries on Wall Street, government service is still an attractive option.

The downside is, regulators now have a strong incentive to help Wall Street salaries rise.

SarahLawrenceScott said...

nova_middle_man:

There's a difference between saying the amount you're paid doesn't matter and that the amount you're paid is the only thing that matters.

Every person is different, but for a certain individual, they might rather be an engineer at $100k than a financier for $120k. But perhaps at $150k the extra money makes it worth it.

In an efficient market, we would then expect everyone to be on the edge of being dissatisfied. For example, teachers are likely to always feel underpaid. The same goes for working in high-level government jobs; there are a lot of people who prefer working "for the country" rather than for a corporation, and they'll take less money for that. Supply and demand will push the salary down (or up for the alternative) just to the point where the alternative becomes really tempting for the money.

Sometimes working conditions substitute for salary, so that's another variable.

Bottom line: most people aren't motivated only by salary. But most people are influenced by salary.

PeteKent said...

Masybe we should ask Rahm for the $14 million back?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-rahm-emanuel-profit-26-mar26,0,5682373.story

The Chicago Trib is reporting how Rahm Emmanuel made $14 million as an "investment banker" during the three-year period after he left the Clinton administration and his run for Congress.

The money includes at least $320,000 he earned as a director of FreddieMac (as Clinton appointee) over a 14 month period during which he was required to atrtend less tan ten board meetings.

Wall Street it seems is quite bi-partisan!

Where is the outrage?

nova_middle_man said...

Ok I can agree to influenced

Props to Bryce for actually proposing a solution

Gov salaries will never be what they are in industry and there aren't enough "ethical regulators" that are willing to take the pay cuts.

As others have mentioned the actual culprits are members of congress. I sympathize with them in that its impossible to be knowledgable on so many subjects.

The ultimate solution then is prominent citizens lobbying congress for laws for the common good but that is an even bigger pipe dream than expecting finance people to enter government service instead of industry.

So in the end (and this is where it gets good as someone who leans towards personal responibilty small libertarian mountain west style of republicanisim) the ultimate responsibility comes down to the voters to elect people of competnece into office and then vote out people who don't act competently. To refuse to be swayed by cheap soundbytes and slogans from both sides and act in an intelligent nonpartisan way to select the best reprsentatives for the country as a whole.

Smoking Aces said...

There's always a lot of talk about the straight salary someone makes for different jobs - $30k, $75k, $250k, $1m, whatever - but little is ever accounted for in terms of accounting for true costs of living as they vary from region to region and, as nova referenced above, the various perks (e.g. summers off) or knocks (e.g. long hours or weekends) for certain jobs.

Is someone - Nate, can you handle this? - ever going to dive in and do some sort of complex hedonic regression that accounts for all of these variables to give us as accurate a picture of possible of the labor pool landscape instead of broad, general categories.

I want details. I don't want to hear what lawyers, teachers, engineers, social workers, etc. make with nothing behind it....tell me what a lawyer in Chicago, who's likely working 60 hours a week, is making based on what it costs to live there and the demands of that job versus a teacher in Las Cruces, NM, who works 40-45 hours a week and gets summers off, or a social worker in Mobile, AL, who works 50 hours a week, gets 2-1/2 weeks total vacation, and can deal with some pretty shitty cases.

I know that would be impossibly complex, but for someone truly interested in comparing jobs and their values across the board, you need to go into this much detail.

Tony C. said...

@nova_middle_man:

Actually, my sister was a teacher for 15 years, and would have been for life, had small-bore politics with the principle and school board not ruined her enjoyment of teaching. She was a Summa Cum Laude graduate herself and a Gifted/Talented teacher for 15 years, and the principle and school board politicized her class and forced her to take students that didn't belong there, and denied students that DID belong there because they were "troublemakers."

So my sister left the job she had been doing for the love of children, and instead started a business where she now earns three times as much. But she doesn't need the money (my brother in law supplies that through his mid-level management job) and she would rather be teaching the G&T program, if it hadn't been destroyed by morons more interested in the cachet of labels than in results.

The problem with depending on voters is that they only become interested in this stuff (politics, economics) when it bites pretty hard. But that takes years, and so when we vote out the bums, what we have is more bums to take their place.

I am a donor and voter for Obama, but he is no exception: He reversed himself on the FISA, he has obfuscated while preserving imperial presidential powers under Bush, he has lied about ending torture and rendition, on eavesdropping and amnesty for telecoms, and now he is obfuscating on this Geithner plan which does not share risk 50/50 as advertised.

I still think he is better than the cheating, whoring, lying alternative, but he is proving to be just another politician, and we are stuck with him.

If people are not hurting, then they vote for the most charismatic candidate that mouths something close to their philosophy. By the time they are hurting, the only candidates with enough experience to run are exactly these: charismatic ciphers that mouth the platitudes of their party. They are the only ones that can raise money and understand the inside game well enough to put together teams and gain media attention.

As far as I can tell, without a major depression lasting a decade or more, there is simply no way to get an honest politician into a position of power.

Scott said...

If there were a way, a much better measure of salary growth would be MEDIAN income changes by industry. Average income has been skewed in Wall Street adn Oil industries but a few very high executive salaries. Median changes reflect a much better indiction of the typical person working in that industry.

Smoking Aces said...

I am a donor and voter for Obama, but he is no exception: He reversed himself on the FISA, he has obfuscated while preserving imperial presidential powers under Bush, he has lied about ending torture and rendition, on eavesdropping and amnesty for telecoms, and now he is obfuscating on this Geithner plan which does not share risk 50/50 as advertised.

You forgot one thing, and it's something I'm getting unsettled about but is hardly talked about.

He's embedding us deeper and longer into Iraq and Afghanistan than he originally indicated he would. I wanted McCain to win, although I didn't vote for him, but thought at the very least that having Obama would end two wars that I've grown to loathe deeply, and that he'd do it soon. That hasn't been the case, and I don't have high hopes for the next few years.

Tony C. said...

@Smoking Aces:

Well, we seldom agree, but here we do. Imagine how much better off we would be as a country if we had spent a few hundred billion armoring our border, three trillion rebuilding and protecting our infrastructure, one trillion dollars on 100% energy self-reliance, and one trillion on figuring out how to inspect cargo containers coming into this country.

Not only would it have protected us better, but would have put a halt to illegal drug trafficking and removed a lot of money from the Middle East.

Our border is only six thousand miles long or so. We can have a station every mile along the border, with two armed guards present 24 hours a day. That would take six full time workers per station or 36,000 workers, at about $40K per year each, about $1.5B a year. About $6.40 per taxpayer per year, Maybe $10.00 with expenses, and virtually every station would have a line of sight contact with the next.

Which means we could put up a laser fence and have an armed human response, video, and backup from nearby stations if the border does get penetrated. Put them in boats on the coast, the bill is still miniscule. The border really is not too big to patrol.

Instead, we wasted one fortune in Afg and another in Iraq and got nothing.

Smoking Aces said...

Al Qaeda in Iraq had been dealt "a serious blow," the president added. "The capacity of Iraq's security forces has improved, and Iraq's leaders have made strides toward political accommodation" through steps such as January's provincial elections.

"Iraq is not yet secure and there will be difficult days ahead," he said, but the Iraqi people now have a "hard-earned opportunity ... for a better life."


The words of...

...George W. Bush?

...or Barack Obama?

Follow this link for your answer:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/27/obama.troops/


Or just read my mini-rant and infer the answer on your own....

It's funny what someone will say when campaigning for the presidency and how that morphs after they've been elected. Obama ran on a platform of ending military conflict, and he's been full of shit since day 1 in that regard. He's no better than Bush was or McCain would have been. He just used rhetoric to get elected. Plain. And. Simple.

Smoking Aces said...

Instead, we wasted one fortune in Afg and another in Iraq and got nothing.

Amen.

Cugel said...

Your article was basically right until THIS point:

"In retrospect, it is clear that regulators did not have the human capital to keep up with the financial industry, and to understand it well enough to be able to exert effective regulation."

It has NOTHING WHATEVER to do with the highly-paid Wall-Street executives out-smarting the K-State grads who worked for government.

It's ALL POLITICAL pressure from the rich.

The financial services boom occurred during the deregulatory mania that took place in this country since Ronald Reagan.

It's no accident that the curve slopes wildly upward for financial services executives starting around 1980.

It was a palace coup by the elites, who deliberately skewed the system so that they could make more money.

Their political cover "theory" was that deregulation and less taxes (on the rich) equals "prosperity."

And since multi-billion $ corporations control the media in America this idea was propagandized endlessly as it still is today among right-wing media hacks.

Government was simply TAKEN OUT OF THE LOOP!

It's not that government regulators couldn't figure out what Wall Street was doing with these "credit-default swap" scams, although they were designed to be opaque. It's that government was largely hand-cuffed from regulating them because of CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL PRESSURE.

Phil Graham passed the "Enron Loophole." Energy futures markets were deregulated.

Accounting firms were permitted to issue "in-house" reports -- Audits from "friendly" firms that might either be partially owned or have a proprietary business relationship with the firm being audited (think Bernie Madoff).

No-one knew because of "fancy" (fraudulent) accounting practices what any company's REAL financial picture was.

Endless saga of de-regulation. Government because of CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY was prohibited from regulating business.

And because Whites voted for Republicans, they won elections and took their de-regulatory fanaticism with them. Democrats were (and some still are) afraid of seeming insufficiently "pro-business."

Now that Democrats are in charge and there's a total meltdown, the resistance to fundamental re-regulation of Wall Street, plus the banking and insurance industries is LESS.

Not weak. But, less. We might actually have a chance now that disaster is fresh in everybody's mind, although Wall Street is fighting back about how "unfair" and "disastrous" it is to "add to the regulatory burden" carried by business in a down cycle.

Of course in an "up-cycle" there's no pressure to regulate either. If things are going fine, why change anything, right?

Heads we win. Tails you're screwed. Saga of American capitalism.

Smoking Aces said...

Obama’s War Policies Worse than Bush’s, Anti-War Activist Says


Obama's war policy = epic fail

Tony C. said...

Correction:

The borders and coastline are 19,950 miles long. So call it 20K and let's get more ambitious; here is the budget for protecting the border:

A station every quarter mile at a cost of $50,000. That is $4B startup.

Two armed border patrol agents per shift, at every station, for three shifts: 120,000 border patrol agents, at $40K each: $4.8B per year. That is less than 1.5% of Obama's new budget. Divided by 225 million taxpayers, it averages $21.33 each, per year. About one in 1,875 people will be working as border patrol agents; and these guys would literally be within shouting distance of each other.

There may be a lot of cheaper ways to armor the border, but even this brute force, men-with-guns approach is an affordable alternative, so surely it is just irresponsible for the government to continue to allow the border to be as porous as it is.

Smoking Aces said...

Tony C.

I don't even think we have to be that aggressive with man-power and stations in patrolling our borders and coasts, so I'm pretty sure we could do it for much cheaper. But your point remains that it could be done at a fraction of the budget and has much better spillover effects than embedding in army in two (or more) countries halfway around the world.

That's another thing - on my "(or more)" comment - we have no need to be scattered around the world in 150 countries on military bases in each one. Aside from a few strategic allies - and even that's stretching it - I say we keep our ass 100% within our own borders. That would save billions of dollars in and of itself, and we could use some of that man-power to guard the borders and coasts.

Moogro said...

Ask and ye shall receive. Incorrectly asked for this discussion on the FAQ page, and 3 days later it's here. Thanks, Nate. This discussion seems more probing and open-ended in it's nature than others. Touches on the true trajectory and maintenance of the priveleged class. Rarely happens. I'll enjoy this for the 3 weeks (maybe 3 days) that it lasts. I agree with others that a cross-country comparison that includes cost of living and true hours worked per year by profession would be nice. Or what other suggest: factor in the misery index somehow across professions (too big and political?). But in lieu of that, more wall street nepotism by colleges stats would be great.

Tony C. said...

And as for shipping containers:

Estimates vary from 12M to 20M per year entering the USA. At 20M, that is around 57,000 per day. These are 40 feet long and take no more than 30 minutes to inspect, with a geiger counter, drug dog, explosive detector and infrared scanner (for humans or animals). One inspector can inspect about 15 containers per day.

So to inspect EVERY container, we need maybe 4000 inspectors at a cost of $160M a year, if they get paid $40K.

That would be a bargain. It will not freeze world trade either, on average it adds the thirty minute inspection time to the delivery.

Once again, if a brute force approach is feasible, cheaper alternatives are probably available that also achieve 100% inspection, but it indicates that the failure to achieve 100% inspection is irresponsible on the part of government, when shipping containers can hold terrorists, illegal aliens, explosives, drugs, money, guns and other weapons, and even nuclear material or nuclear weapons.

Go check out the shipping yards: They crane them from the ship to the rail or truck and that's it, they drive away with no inspection whatsoever. They say they inspect "suspicious cargo," but are we still supposed to believe that terrorists, with hundreds of millions of dollars at their disposal, are incapable of disguising a sealed container as coming from some legitimate German or Chinese manufacturer? They are evil religious extremists, not stupid idiots.

Kevin said...

Amazing analysis, unique and insightful!

Pragmatus said...

The factor in recent compensation that did not exist in earlier eras is the stock option bonus, which has thrown the whole game out of whack.

Now, instead of focusing on what's good for the company, the CEO (and all others with a similat vested interest) are merely concerned with driving the stock price up. This has led to monumental absurdities such as "stock buybacks", which never did anything for the health of a company (not to mention its dividend) but serves to drive the stock price up so that exercised options yield more cash to the exercisee.

So while Nate's graph shows a tidy past history, the system has actually been overhauled into unrecognizeability, so I for one do not expect future compensation to shrink as regulation is reimposed.

wv anlegm: Phlegm from the other end.

Smoking Aces said...

So to inspect EVERY container, we need maybe 4000 inspectors at a cost of $160M a year, if they get paid $40K.

Tony C.,

I don't mean to pick on your analysis because I'm agreeing with much of what you're saying, but you can't quite figure on just $40K per year in costs per employee. First off all, if that's total comp, you're talking about a salary of about $27K to $33K per year, after you account for benefits. It'd be hard to have a semi-skilled force out there for that little. So maybe you're thinking of a $40K per year salary, which would put total costs of around $50K to $60K for each employee. I don't know that a $40K salary would be enough for that kind of a job. I think the "market wage" would be somewhere closer to $50K, which would put total compensation up to $70K including benefits.

However, you can't have a force with that many man without some kind of "management" types so that these guys have somebody to answer to...so you're going to have to have some higher paid guys in the mix. All in all, I'd say you ought to figure on a cost of twice what you said - about $80K per year per person instead of $40K.

Pinku-Sensei said...

You get a bunch of Harvard, Yale and Stanford grads in management positions at investment banks, and they're probably going to be predisposed to hire other Harvard, Yale and Stanford grads.

The relative advantage of starting salaries of Stanford grads over grads of other Pac-10 schools has been notorious for so long that the Stanford Band put out an album in 1979 titled "Starting Salary: $22,275.00" which was a considerable sum in those days.

http://lsjumb.stanford.edu/about/albums/15/

I can't imagine what the average starting salary for a Stanford B.A. grad is now.

BTW, check out the covers.

http://lsjumb.stanford.edu/about/albums/

And these disorderly rich kids are going to make how much when they graduate?

John said...

Nate,

One profession I'd like to see listed is the pay of our legislators. Both state and federal, if possible.
I'd like to also see federal employees listed but I'll not ask for that since it might be considered snarky.

jts

Tony C. said...

@Smoking:

It may cost more, but that is hardly the point, whether it is $160M or $320M. This is between 72c and $1.44 per taxpayer per year.

It really doesn't have to cost us a dime: Charge the shipping companies an inspection fee and we break even. Say, 50c per ton of cargo; since a container typically holds 30 tons, that would be about $15 per container.

That would be $30 in revenue per hour per inspector, or $60K per year per inspector.

The proper wage is probably a $30K salary; with standard 10:1 management ratio and payroll overhead, figure about $60K per inspector required. We break even.

However, the point of the analysis is to point out that the cost to taxpayers is trivial even if off by a factor of three. A fine analysis isn't necessary if the rough analysis shows the first approximation is trivial.

mike said...

One slight problem that explains why two manufacturing and one extractive industry are numbers 2-4 on the list-- the definition of these industries changed between 1992 and 2007. 1992 used SIC codes, which includes separate headquarters establishments of manufacturing companies as manufacturing jobs. the NAICS codes fix this. So publishing used to include a bunch of blue-collar jobs that are not in there now.

There are probably similar changes in petroleum products and oil and gas extraction sectoral definitions that I am not as familiar with.

Also this is average pay, not median pay. The mean of entertainment industries that are #5 are probably skewed way high because of pro athletes.

Once you take all this into account, the financial sector is even more in a class by itself.

Mike in Maryland said...

Greg said...
I can definitely support the example from KPMG. I work at NERA Economic Consulting in the Antitrust practice, so we are constantly involved in cases with the FTC and DOJ.

A long time ago, I heard that when attorneys graduate from law school, the top 10% or so are hired by the big law firms. The next 20% or so go to work for the government, and the same with the bottom 20% or so.

Why do those in the 70 to 90 percentile go to work for the government, usually at a severe disparity of pay than if they went into the private market?

To gain experience, and to gain contacts. They start out as 'greenhorns', not knowing how to do that much, certainly not in a position to influence government policy. However, once they gain 3-5 years experience in the government, they have learned how the government thinks, how the game is played internally, who thinks how in the government, who is the best non-governmental player in the field, etc. Then after their 3-5 year stint in the government, most of them then go off into private practice or into the big law firms, with the knowledge they have gained by 'working for the other side'.

A bit of an initial sacrifice for the attorney, but a windfall gain within a few years.

That means the majority of those left in the federal agencies are the 'greenhorn' 70 to 90 percentile 'new guys' who have no experience, and the bottom 20%, who have little chance of gaining 'useful employment' in the private world.

Some of the people in the 90th percentile and up go to work for the government, and some of them and some of the 70th to 90th percentile stay with the government for more than 3-5 years. It's the opportunity of big money, though, that draws many of them out of the government. And especially since the constant GOOPer derogation of government and government service for the last 40 or more years, many have no concept of serving the public, only of making a huge salary.

In other words, the GOOPer philosophy of G-R-E-E-D has made the ability of government to attract the right combination of people to properly help society much more difficult.

Christopher said...

Well everyone's entitled to an off day. Besides the bad analogy between engineer and financier (which has been lampooned enough), you missed on the comparison between -10/+10 million and +20/+40 million.

Economically speaking they are not the same, only in mathematical absolute terms are they the same. What's important is rate of return on investment. For example regardless of industry losing 10M on a 100M investment is simply not sustainable (well maybe auto). Major changes are required regardless of risk.

Meanwhile a gain of 20M on same 100M investment may be low for certain industries. But it's not worth risking extreme changes in an attempt to raise it to 40M since the changes could also cause it to drop to 10M.

Alexander said...

The paper referenced by Silver is misquoted, and the second graphic is very poorly explained, which I think detracts heavily from the apparent reliability of the article.

The second graph has nothing whatsoever to do with salary; rather, it displays the number of undergraduates going into that profession in that year.

I'm disappointed.

Rian said...

How do you pay regulators more when the president himself only makes $400K/year? IRS economists probably make in excess of $100K, and Bernanke only makes ~$190K/year as Chairman of the Fed.

Contrast that with Hank Paulson's ~$19M/year salary.

Are you going to have regulators making more than the Chairman? More than the President? How do we overcome this problem?

harold said...

Tony C. and Smoking Aces -

I have to admit, SA, about a third of what you say makes sense. It's been a while since I heard a conservative say anything that made sense. Last time was...approximately mid-1999. Then something happened...can't quite put my finger on it...although there was also a massive decrease in sense-making by conservatives starting in late 1994.

Obviously, if we had a defense budget that was actually what we need for actual defense of US territories from actual threats, we wouldn't have to worry about federal deficits, because there wouldn't really be one.

Also, we have a cost effective universal health care system that covers the elderly and disabled - overwhelmingly the greatest users of health care dollars - for a fraction of what private insurance for those patients would cost.

Doctors love, patients love it, and it's called Medicare. The incremental cost of just expanding it to healthy young people - who are rare consumers of health care dollars - would be trivial.

If some crazy radical would just cut the defense budget to say, five times the defense budget of any other country on earth (without laying off personnel, of course), and give everybody Medicare, this country would suddenly enjoy the advantages that exotic foreign lands like Canada now enjoy.

Aaron said...

Why in the heck would Melvin go to Wall Street and look for a finance job if he's an engineer? And why would a Wall Street firm higher an engineer to do a finance job, so what if he'd take $30,000 less. What's next...street sweepers applying at hospitals to be doctors?

zozie said...

Just read Simon Johnson's article in the Atlantic The Quiet Coup. He discusses the corrosive results of oligarchies on economies. The US financial sector at its higher reaches qualifies as an oligarchy.

My belief is that this group pays itself so well as it runs as a private club. They compete among themselves and are acutely aware of their relative standing within the club, but there is no tie-in to the outside world. Joining the club is the trick. Is it your school, your friends, luck at the interview - who knows. The reason probably varies.

Johnson refers to 2 very sweet deals proffered to 2 execs from Goldman Sachs - allegedly to avoid destabilizing effects.... if only we are were all so lucky! This is more evidence of a nice private clubbiness. It has to be eliminated before robustness can return to the non-club-members' economy.

This in turn is the gut reason many have objected to Geithner in his role as arbiter of government largesse. He's a member of the club. Can he possibly be ruthless and confident enough to rout out the self-dealing of the club?

Tony C. said...

@zozie:

This in turn is the gut reason many have objected to Geithner in his role as arbiter of government largesse. He's a member of the club.

The reason I object is this is precisely why Geithner was selected and why his own tax evasions were ignored (after he paid the back taxes).

Obama, Summers and crew are playing us; they picked Geithner because they want to reassure Wall Street it will be business as usual, the only difference will be that corporate largesse cannot be as blatant or the rabble will be roused.

But Obama's financial plans, through Geithner and Summers, will fundamentally change nothing, and that is the message they are sending to the top.

In politics they call these "dog whistles," meaning the vast majority of regular people ignore them but a few people in the know understand the coded message. It is a way to reassure a base without angering the public.

Dog whistles are used to convey sympathy for racism, for anti-feminism, for anti-union sentiments, for anti-global warming sentiments, and in this case, for corporate greed favoritism: Appointing Geithner and Summers to lead this charge is a dog whistle; while most people know nothing about them, the Fortune 500 CEO's and million-dollar salary folks are very reassured these guys will do the absolute minimum possible damage to the status quo.

The Obama administration has sent a clear signal they don't want to root out the self-dealing and the unwarranted salaries and the ripoff of the investors. All they want to do is stop the scandals, so the negative news will stop, and they can stop faking outrage every other day. It is so tiring!

As far as I can tell, they have no intention or desire or will to stop the gross injustice.

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Joel said...

A financial worker in training is like a diamond in the rough: a powerful cartel keeps most of them off the market.

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