I posted some maps the other day showing estimates of who would've won each state in the recent presidential election, based on a multilevel model of state and income categories, fit to data from the 2008 Pew pre-election polls.
I realized that the maps could be usefully augmented with scatterplots showing the estimated outcome in each income group by state: that way you can see which states were (estimated to be) landslides among different income groups, and which states were estimated to be close.
Here are the results (click on the image for a larger version):
As I noted before, the estimates are based on data from five income categories (for simplicity I display the highest, middle, and lowest groups here; the results for categories 2 and 4 fall pretty much in between) and, for each state, the poll-based estimate was shifted to be consistent with the actual election results there. Also, the low-income map changed slightly, with West Virginia and Utah very slightly edging over the 50% point for John McCain. These changes occurred because I changed the model slightly, adding region as a predictor in the model.
Any inference based on a survey sample will ultimately be somewhat model-based (I'm sure Nate Silver's audience is familiar with this point); here, I'm doing my best with a quick analysis. One useful thing about the scatterplots is that it puts less of a burden on the sharp red/blue distinctions in the maps. (Yes, I know that I could use some purple to indicate close states, but that in turn would make the maps more difficult to read. So I compromise by making the maps sharp and then using the scatterplots to show more detail.)
Also, in response to some of the comments on the earlier post:
- Yes, we're looking at other variables such as sex, ethnicity, age, and education. I'm pretty sure the patterns by education and sex will be much less dramatic than those by income, ethnicity, and age.
- The polls did not include Alaska and Hawaii, so any inference for them would be entirely model-based or else extrapolated from other poll information. In Hawaii, we can safely assume that Obama won among all income groups, and in Alaska, I don't know that I'd trust the polls there anyway.
- Regarding Robert's comment that "the map based on rich Americans only corresponds so closely to the image of the US presented by pundits TV talking heads": Exactly. That's a key point of Red State, Blue State.
- I'll post the 2000 and 2004 maps too, at some point so you can see the changes over the three elections.
- Indeed, making $150,000 in New York does not make you so rich, after correcting for cost of living, as making $150,000 in Mississippi, and differences between states (or between counties within states) must be interpreted with that in mind. However, the data show that in almost every state, higher-income people are more Republican than lower-income people.
- The average income by state comes from the Census. I can't quite remember if these are numbers from 2004 or even 2000, but it doesn't really matter for the graphs, because the rankings of states by income haven't really changed.
- Mary asked for a breakdown by religion. Some of that I posted last week.
3.05.2009
Rich and Poor Voters in 2008
by Andrew Gelman @ 8:31 PM...see also 2008 post-mortem, demographics, income, socioeconomic status
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Andrew
Thanks for your contributions. Welcome aboard the team. I have enjoyed your analysis
It is very interesting the correlation between income and voting tendencies. It is also interesting to remember what voter suppression efforts in poorer areas does to the election results. Voter suppression efforts against the richest or more politically active people do not work well. But for a marginal voter, the can work evil wonders.
Andrew, who would have won had only voters making $150,000 and more voted? It looks close.
Hey,man. What gives with no Alaska or Hawaii on the maps? Just because their votes are basically a lock one way or the other doesn't mean their inclusion is irrelevant. Go the distance on those maps.
Nick, did you even bother to read the article? HI and AK were not included in the survey data, and so could not be included.
Speaking of religion - other than WV, it looks as if the poor only voted for McCain in Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming.
Those are by far the most Mormon states.
Clearly, all income demographics are probably majority Mormon in Utah. I don't know whether there are many Mormons in the low income demographic in Idaho and Wyoming.
Although many of the southern poor are African-American, McCain still lost the poor in the largely white southern states of AR and KY (and actually did not do much better in KY than among whites nationwide).
I've noted that, very oddly, Mormons are one of the last hard core Republican demographics.
I really hope this won't be an opening for biased remarks about Mormons or their spiritual beliefs. It's just an observation.
I love the breakout of the data like this. Could I propose that in graphs like this it would be helpful to have a dotted line at the 50% mark.
Thanks.
Definitely worth examining the relative income scales. Being New Mexican, $150,000 is real close to rich, and $30,000 fits our definition of middle class (starting teacher's salaries, I believe, hover around there). On the whole, though, I think that NM has a much flatter bell-curve distribution than you'll find most elsewhere - the extremes of wealth constitute a much smaller long tail in this state than they would in, say, California or New York.
I guess what I'm getting at is that the great the spread of income distribution, the more likely different segments of a state are to vote differently than each other.
Interesting analysis. One thing I would like to mention is that while $150K may not considered very rich for NYC and its immediate environs, in much of the state you would be more than comfortable on a similar income.
Okay, Utah I expect. If Jesus showed up and ran as a Democrat with Joseph Smith as his running mate, they'd still vote Republican.
Wyoming, well-it is Cheney country, I guess.
And Idaho, which is famous for three things: Potatoes, Larry Craig, and neo-nazis
Now, ordinarily, anyone that refers to the opposition party as nazis or communists automatically loses the argument on the grounds that they're being stupid. But since in this case there are actual nazis in Idaho, I do hope you won't invoke said rule.
Gladly, the rest of the country was not quite so crazy.
Poor voters vote democratic at fairly similar rates in all states. In all states, richer voters vote more republican than poorer voters. In some states (like CT, NJ, DE, VT, ME, NM) this difference isn't very large. In some states this is very large, and this is only among poorer states. But there are also some poorer states that behave the way that all rich states do.
So perhaps there's some factor that differentiates NM from WV from AR in terms of how strongly wealth affects one's republican voting. But we can't really tell if CT, NJ, or MA have this factor, because being a generally wealthy state seems to prevent it from operating.
(As I see it, this is a fairly similar action at the state level of the principle you point out at the individual level.)
*waits for comment from some GOP troll that these graphs show that the Democratic Party wants to keep poor people poor*
It will be interesting to see Andrew's graphs from the 2000 and 2004 elections and see where the real differences come. If more Southern states' poor voters voted for Bush is that evidence of high black turnout boosting Obama's vote? Or is it evidence of the poor white communities tiring of failed economic policies? Wow you real psephology geeks must have very complicated lives!
Any chance to adjust the ranges for high, middle and low in each state based on the actual income ranges in that state? I suspect the survey data doesn't support it, but the maps might be more interesting based on percentile ranges (lowest 20%, middle 20% and highest 20%) of income within the state rather than absolute ranges.
Ok analysis but the real question I think is what portion of the voters in a state fall into these categories. There is a real economic divide in some of the southern states but the opposite occurs in New England, the mid atlantic and west coast where the poor and wealthy line up together. You just dont have the per capita people making 150000 plus in Mississippi that you do in Connecticut.
markymark
I am sure like always the partisans will interpert it for their particular line of thikning :-p.
Thanks for the info Andrew. Its interesting, I think that eventually Andrews posts could have 0 comments. Thats what happens when there is no analysis to comment about. The only comments are comments to anaylsis by the commenters.
Welcome aboard Andrew. I'm enjoying these posts.
To take Kenny's observation in a somewhat different direction: eyeballing the charts, I don't notice poor voters voting at similar rates across all states (it looks like twice as high a percentage of poor Wyomingers voted for McCain as poor Vermonters) but that there are several ideologically consistent blue states (CT, NY, MD, VT) where rich and poor voted fairly similarly, but only one ideologically consistent red state (WY). In states like OK and TN the gap between rich voting patterns and poor voting patterns really stands out. Amongst blue states, NJ and MA have the most noticeable gaps.
Since we've already noticed that rich/poor is relative, we can also probably say that rich/poor is a construct. Kelsey Atherton in New Mexico said that she considers the middle class to begin at a teacher's starting salary. Trishb implies that rich/poor is based upon 'living comfortably.' Both designations are fairly arbitrary, or, maybe better said, based upon a idiosyncratic definition of rich/poor.
To be sure, there are Americans who are poor, by which I mean live in resource poverty and cannot acquire survival needs. That being said, however, the overwhelming majority of Americans (especially of Americans who vote) are, in fact, rich. Nate alluded to this in a previous post (sorry, forgot the link) when he said that even in this recession we still lead lives of luxury.
This rich/poor construct becomes central to an American's self identity. The most striking example was my father, who retired early and now currently tours the American countryside in a resplendent motorhome. He got angry when I called him rich. He can't be rich. To be rich means to be spoiled, to be rich means to have lost contact with your "solid middleclass upbringing." And so forth.
This, ultimately, gets to my point. It is most interesting to me that the Republican message understands this: promise tax cuts on capital gains, but bring sound and fury with populist notes (Sarah Palin is a walking, talking populist note; Joe the Plumber: just two personifications). The targeting the Republicans did in the fall shows a deep understanding of the American rich, and of the American psyche: self-denial and warped self-identification.
Oh, yes, my dad voted McCain.
And my dad's a "resident" of South Dakota, where you pay no income taxes. He hasn't been to South Dakota in almost five years.
This data from Andrew is actually somewhat encouraging.
I had worried that Democrats were unable to reach poor people in the "Red" states, but this shows that Democrats can find support even in some of the strongest Republican states.
I'm waiting to see the comparisons to 2000 and 2004 for confirmation, but Andrew's data suggests to me that Dean's 50-state strategy is a good idea, enabling and encouraging under-resourced Dems in Red areas to get to the polls.
@ john theibault
Interesting. Several causes perhaps.
Overall ideological bent of the state. Hypothesis. Rich people only vote Democrat if they are liberal. Rich people are only liberal if its a blue state to begin with. This would explain CT, NY, MD, VT
Racial Makeup of the state. Hypothesis in Red leaning states racial makeup influences the vote. Whites are more well-off and vote Republican. Non-whites are statisctically lower income and vote democrat. This would explain OK, TN, and other southern states as well
WY has few minoirites which would explain consistent redness.
NJ is not liberal which would exaplain the gap
MA is interesting. My hypothesis would say there is a large minority population (dunno), MA is not liberal (false)
@ mclever
I think that is mostly racial see my hypothesis above that non-whites are poorer and vote more towards democrats.
What you would be looking for is poor whites voting democrat. I think that is highly unlikely still.
Could you please add the EV count to the maps? Thank you.
@nova_middle_man
There's actually research that shows that the presence of blacks in a state can conversely help Republicans win votes. Tom Schaller says that the higher the black population in a state, the more racially polarizing the voting is along party lines. Case in point, Mississippi has the highest black proportion out of any state, yet, whites went for McCain 88 to 11, and blacks went for Obama 98 to 2. Yet on the flipside, we have Maine, which the black population is less than 1 percent there. There, whites went for Obama 58 to 40. So while having more minorities in a place can boost Democratic votes, it also has the potential of creating a lower for for total Democratic votes in a state.
You forgot Hawaii and Alaska. Although i will assume Hawaii was blue in all 3 and Alaska was red in all 3....but maybe Obama won alaska voters earning 20,000 or less?
The $40k to 75k map looked awfully close to the actual election red/blue map.
Also, on the "poor map" the common denominator of UT, WY, ID, and WY is whiteness.
Andrew,
Please, PLEASE give us some analysis of the scatterplot data. For example: it looks to me like people in richer states vote more Democratic no matter what their actual income is. Is this correct? Or am I reading the plots wrong?
(sorry if this is a re-post - attempt #1 at commenting seems to have gotten eaten)
@Evan Nelson
To clarify, I'm male. I know, I know, the name is confusing, but this Kelsey is totally a boy.
Yeah, class in the US is hard to define. Or, rather, hard to find by individual admission. I've heard accounts that stretch middle class from having $4 million down to making around $30,000 a year, which is quite the stretch. I think that the internal state breakdown would help, but I also think that these graphs do a pretty decent job otherwise.
can a feature be added to the site to search posts by a specific author? for instance, i only recently realized that andrew had started posting, and i'd be interested in reading just the posts made by him... but there is no easy way to do that... is this easily fixable? it should be, considering the label search.
thanks.
I would love to see similar maps based on levels of education. I'm a college political science instructor at the University of Iowa and I just finished a unit with my students talking about what would happen if only the politically-informed were allowed to vote. Education would probably be the best proxy variable to simulate that effect.
I'd like to see an overlay illustrating return on the federal dollar for each state. That way we might correlate dependence on federal revenue with income and voting. Come to think of it, that would wind up looking pretty ugly -- unless we just used deep red for the states that made a "profit" (e.g. AK, LA, KY, AZ), and deep blue for those that were most "disadvantaged" (e.g. NJ, CT, CA, NY). You'd hardly have to change anything then (voters in any state where you did might have some questions for their elected representatives).
here's what the CNN's exit poll for West Virginia http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=WVP00p2:
Under $15,000 (8%): N/A N/A N/A (sample size too small)
$15-30,000 (16%): 62% Obama 37% McCain.
Where McCain killed us was the $50,000 to $75,000
$50-75,000 (22%) Obama 34% McCain 64%
The effect of income on the tendency to vote republican seems less for wealthy states. It would be interesting to see these values normalized by median income or plotted against percentile.
Could you get percentile income distributions for census tracts and then code voters according to whether they are in the 10th, 50th , or 90th percentiles for their census tract?
And then regress voter intent against percentile?
Don't forget that Obama won those making more than $200,000 a year and Kerry won billionaires.
Nate, your website is amazing! I'd been following it since June 2008 and your analysis always reveals something deeper about the electorate. I'm from India, and we're having elections in April - the opinion polls are usually way off because the demographics and politics are so incredibly complex (think America x3, with 16 major languages, dozens of religions, 1000s of sects, and a nation with nearly as many millionaires as the US, and as many impoverished people as sub-Saharan Africa - and oh yeah, 40 major political parties, many of them with a strong presence in only 1-2 states). If you ever get so good at American politics that its no longer a challenge (I think you're close to that point) I invite you to do some analysis on Indian elections - I know I would enjoy it :)
This data makes perfect sense according to what I have learned about political beliefs and behaviors in my government and politics class. It reflects the differences in beliefs of the different socioeconomic classes and how we think the government should be involved in our lives.
These graphs show that rich people usually vote for Republicans. Republicans generally care about keeping traditions and keeping the government out of their business. This makes sense when you think about it because rich people have more to lose if the government gets involved.
On the other hand, poor people want to vote for someone who will have a lot of social programs for them. They care about benefits like social security, food stamps, and disabilities benefits. Democrats care more about the population’s well being.
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