A new poll from Siena College (.pdf), which annoyingly beat Ohio State and deprived me of 5 points in my NCAA tournament pool, has Democrat Scott Murphy pulling ahead of Republican Jim Tedisco in the race to replace Kirsten Gillibrand in New York's 20th Congressional District. This marks a divergence from two prior incarnations of this poll, when Tedisco had lead by 4 points and 12 points, respectively:
____ 3/27 3/12 2/26Siena is the only non-partisan pollster to have surveyed this race. (The Tedisco camp disputes the result, citing internal polling that still shows them with a lead). Siena's record as a pollster is, to be frank, fairly average, although this particular race is almost literally in their back yard, as NY-20 wraps around the town of Loudonville, where Siena College is located. The usual caveats about polling special elections, which feature very low turnout and are notoriously hard to predict, also apply.
Tedisco (R) 43% 45% 46%
Murphy (D) 47% 41% 34%
Nevertheless, we shouldn't be horribly surprised if the Democrat has turned this race into a toss-up. In the past three Presidential elections, NY-20 been slightly more Republican than the country as a whole -- but only slightly so, and it is arguably becoming less so. And of course, the country as a whole has been Democratic. Note that Barack Obama received the majority of NY-20's vote in November:
VOTE SHARE RECEIVED BY DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE
Year NY-20 USA PVI
2008 (Obama) 51% 53% R+2
2004 (Kerry) 46% 48% R+2
2000 (Gore) 44% 48% R+4Democrats have generally been winning about 60% of the elections for the Congress in districts with PVI's of +2 or +3 over the past couple of electoral cycles; this is how they have earned their majority. So while, on the one hand, the blue team may sneak away with a victory here, they are probably also somewhat guilty of having downplayed expectations.UPDATE: Jeff, in the comments section, asks:
Are we really supposed to believe that only 64% of republicans are Tedisco voters, as this poll claims? Come on.Well, I don't know. But note that the poll also implies that Republicans have a fairly substantial registration advantage in the district. According to the poll, Murphy has a much larger lead among Democratic voters (84-11) than Tedisco has among Republicans (64-27), while the two candidates are essentially tied among independents (Tedisco leads 45-44). If you assumed that the district was composed of, say, 40% Republicans, 40% Democrats and 20% independents, then Murphy would have a 53-39 lead according to the poll's internals. But in fact, the poll only shows Murphy with a 4-point lead. To arrive at those numbers, there have to be quite a bit more registered Republicans than Democrats in Siena's sample.
So suppose that Siena is right -- and I have no reason to doubt them -- that Republicans have a substantial registration advantage in NY-20? What do we know about those Republicans? Well, we know that a fair number of them probably voted for Barack Obama, because Barack Obama won this district, and we know that a fair number of them probably voted for Kirsten Gillibrand, because Kirsten Gillibrand won this district. So crossing over to vote for a Democratic candidate in elections for national office is nothing new for these Republicans; some of them have been doing it routinely.
Personally, I suspect that the relatively high incidence of Republican registration in NY-20 has more to do with politics at the state level. If you're a voter in NY-20, your vote frankly isn't going to matter much for the Presidency and it isn't going to matter much for the U.S. Senate -- the Democrat is going to win those elections. It will matter some of course, for the U.S. Congress. But the most important vote you cast may be for the New York State Senate, which has been almost evenly divided between the two parties, largely along upstate versus NYC lines. That is, the Republicanness of the district may partly reflect its conservatism relative to New York City and will not necessarily translate into elections for national office.

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Pack your bags, Michael Steele!
If the Republicans can't win a special election in a seat where they have so strong a registration advantage, exactly what CAN they win, north of Kentucky or west of Utah?
Are we really supposed to believe that only 64% of republicans are Tedisco voters, as this poll claims? Come on.
> Are we really supposed to believe that only 64% of republicans are Tedisco voters, as this poll claims?
That's a hard one to swallow, for sure. But it's also the rub. Even if he wins but only by a slim margin he wouldn't have a lot better "loyalty" numbers than that.
Maybe Tedisco also believes this to be the true matter of things and is why he made a big deal about tossing the RNC under the bus and declaring he was taking back control of his campaign?
Special elections with LOW voter turnout depend entirely on the "Get out the vote" organization. The older Republicans will be at the polls. Can the Democrats get out their votes including younger students who may be away at college?
Opinion polls do not matter much. It all depends on who gets to the polls. Come-on NY Dems. GOTV!!
I doubt Michael Steele is reading your lame send-off.
Nate the supergeek: you mention 'Barack Obama' in your post -prithee tell, who or what is he/it?
the blue team may sneak away with a victory here
I dunno, Tedisco's campaign says they have an internal poll that says otherwise. Imagine that.
Sounds like Tedisco's got Murphy just where he wants him.
The PVI numbers are off. Per Wikipedia, the PVI is R+3. You cannot calculate PVI by simply subtracting the democratic vote share in the district from the democratic national vote share--it's a little more complicated.
I grew up in Colonie (the town in which Loundonville is a part) next door to the 20th. It was common for people to register Republican, but vote Democrat in national elections. The split in the Repub. numbers seem pretty consistent. For as much as Sen. Gillibrand is/was a Blue Dog, your current standard Republican talking points won't play over well in most parts of the 20th - hopefully the parts where the voter turnout is high.
Many repubs in this district are only nominally repub. There are a lot of "legacy registrants" who no longer identify with the party, but never officially changed their registration.
Or, maybe NY-20 Republicans don't like the idea of their Congressman knuckling under to Rush Limbaugh.
I dunno, Tedisco's campaign says they have an internal poll that says otherwise. Imagine that.
Sounds like Tedisco's got Murphy just where he wants him.
Are you suggesting this Siena poll is GOOD NEWS FOR TEDISCO? :)
It's going to be a squeaker though. Does NY-20 include any major post-secondary schools? By the Nate's description it sounds like Siena College proper isn't in there but maybe it's close enough to have an effect?
University and college populations, because of general 'flexibility' in their schedules, are often sources of feet for the ground game. What's Seina student body politics like?
This poll has Republicans voting 64% Tedisco, true. But the Presidential exit polls have NY state Republicans voting only 85% for McCain. And considering that Obama won in NY-20, where Republicans outnumber Democrats, Republicans in the district must've supported McCain at an even lower rate.
Good piece and as always excellent work!
Thanks
Dwight,
Skidmore and Bard Colleges are both within NY-20. Clarkson might be too, not sure.
I know the Murpy campaign is using Skidmore students to do GOTV in the Saratoga Springs area.
Clarkson isn't even close to NY-20. SUNY-Delhi is in there, but it's tiny.
With Obama there seems to be yawning gap between his personal popularity and those of his policies (peruse Rasmussen.com to get a flavor for this).
One thing is clear: Nancy Pelosi is exceedingly unpopular and the GOP has been gaining in the generic vote. This would suggest that the people in general, who prefer incrementalism as opposed to sea changes, may be becoming increasingly wary of the changes that Obama and the Left wish to visit on the nation.
No doubt this district leans more Democrat than some others (witness Gillibrand's sucess), but I sense a growing unease with the sweeping breadth of the left wing agenda that Obama seeks to install (and don't misunderestimate the whole "gun thing").
My money is on the people voting to preserve checks and balances and not giving Ovomit a further blank check.
Now, it's not an official wave election until Brett Marty takes a picture of a boarded-up office at 5pm, but it's poll swings like this that must be causing panic at Tedisco HQ.
PeteKent, you do realize that Rasmussen is the outlier when it comes to Obama approval and generic congressional preference?
Pelosi is a nonissue for the great majority of Americans. The repubs are hysterical in their belief that first choosing Howard Dean as party chair and the Pelosi as speaker would be greatly beneficial to them. Fact is, both Dean and Pelosi have helped the dems make great electoral gains.
And is who is "Ovomit"? Surely you wouldn't be so infantile as to ridicule our prestigous President with such a smear?
Awesomely enough, the New York State website has records for party enrollment by district:
http://www.elections.state.ny.us/NYSBOE/enrollment/congress/congress_nov08.pdf
They distinguish between "Active" and "Inactive" voters. I'm not sure what that actually means, but my guess is that (especially in a special election) the "inactive" voters can be ignored for the purpose of predicting turnout.
Among "Active" voters, NY-20 has 113,354 Democrats; 22,020 "Independents" (that's a NY party which has endorsed Murphy through electoral fusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fusion), its not the same as "not affiliated"; and 1,504 "Working Families" party members (another party which has endorsed Murphy). Among the parties supporting Tedisco (Republican and Conservative Parties): there are 180,810 Republicans and 8,425 Conservatives. There are also 105,059 "Blank" registrations, (those who checked "Decline to enroll in a party) when registering to vote). There are also about 1500 Greens, 100 Libertarians, and 2 Socialists.
This all adds up to a %12 partisan advantage for the pro-Tedisco Parties. Specifically, the district is 32% D/WF/I, 44% R/C, and 24% unaffiliated
I'm trying to understand what to make of this detail reported by MyDD:
While Siena did include Libertarian candidate Eric Sundwall in their polling, he has been kicked off the ballot by a legal challenge. Interestingly, today, Sundwall endorsed Scott Murphy. Via The Albany Project:
"I will be voting for Scott Murphy on Tuesday. While we disagree on some important issues, I find him to be a man of honor, a good family man and successful businessman. Unlike Tedisco, he actually lives in the District. And, unlike Mr. Tedisco, I view Scott's business success as a virtue, not a vice.
I urge my supporters and all those who believe in open and free elections to show their disgust at the tactics of the Republican political machine to win at all costs. Please join me in voting for Scott Murphy on Tuesday."
I don't know anything about Sundwall or New York libertarians-- although ten seconds on Google indicates Sundwall is in fact the chairman of the New York LP?-- and I'm not going to assume the endorsement of a libertarian candidate holds much sway. But I'm tempted to interpret this as some sort of hint about why only 64% of Republicans were found supporting Tedisco by this poll. I wonder if it is possible the reasons Sundwall outlines for why he cannot support Tedisco (carpetbagger, faux aunt-wall-street populism against Murphy, cozy w/ GOP slime machine) might apply also to other nominally Republican voters in the district.
I'm glad you provided some insight on this, I was hoping you'd have some numbers on NY 20 when I came across the story earlier. Thanks, also, hudi.
I would believe the republicans are worried, they pulled the old 9-11 ad out of mothballs and accused Murphy of coddling terrorists. I would think it will not endear them to the voters.
Thsi came from the RNC so they must be trying a hail Mary. I bet Murphy wins this thing now.
I wonder what's up with those Republicans in upstate New York. As someone said, maybe they vote Republican in state elections but Democrat for national elections. Still, I wonder why...I always thought of upstate New Yorkers as fairly conservative. This district was represented by a Republican until he drunk drove/cheated on his wife or something like that. I mean, if Republicans can't win a district with a huge registration edge, and Dems in total control (where you'd think people might want checks and balances), they really have deeper issues than I thought.
I think Tedisco will win in an extremely close election. If he loses, Steele's out (And good riddance).
When my father-in-law wanted to build a house in NY-20 right after WWII, he was advised to first register Republican or he wouldn't get his permits. We were told the same thing when we moved there from New York City in 1983, so we did. Love that secret ballot.
Many, many people have since moved from NYC into Dutchess and Columbia Counties (NY-20) and I suspect the same thing may be at work here. Another factor is that a lot of these people work in the financial industry and may have registered Republican out of conviction, but are changing their minds as they survey the wreckage of the economy left by the Bush policies, which are still being promoted as vigorously as ever by the Republican Party. After all, if the Republican program for dealing with the economy were adopted -- no stimulus, no bailouts, no regulation, just more tax cuts for the rich -- we'd be in a depression for a decade or more and the financial community knows it.
Whatever the reason, the chair of the Dutchess County Democrats told me in January that the Democrats win by big margins in towns along the Hudson River, losing only in the more rural areas to the east, where there aren't as many votes.
If Tedisco loses, it will be because he did NOT break with the "Party of NO" philosophy.
PS -- Bard College students are VERY liberal and turned out in huge numbers in November.
Slasher,
If I'm not mistaken, Bard is pretty tiny; how can they turn out in "huge" numbers?
I live in the 20th and I have to say that the economy here is, at best, not good™. So the major concern that folks have is who is going to do something to fix it? Local news reporting has been focusing on who "backs the President's plan to get money to upstate new york" (Murphy) and "who won't say if they support the plan or not" (Tedisco).
If you ask me, a bit of reducto ad absurdum, since neither of these gentlemen had anything to do with passing the stimulus plan. Tedisco seems caught between a rock and a hard place because if he comes out in full support, the more conservative of the 20th's GOP voters will stay home, but if he comes out against, the voters voting their wallets will come out in droves to back Murphy.
The 20th is fairly conservative with regards to local political entities. That is changing on a town-board-by-town board basis as older folks take their leave and more downstate folks move upstate.
And as other posters have commented, party affiliation is fairly fluid here for a disproportional chunk of the populace. Registration seems to be in large part driven by whom the voter thinks is empowered to provide services on the local level. Given the Democratic control of the House and Senate on both the state and federal level, the pragmatic 20th voters might vote Murphy out of self-interest, while holding their noses at his party affiliation.
@smk22: Yes, Bard is small. But it's not a matter of getting students to turn out in large numbers, the idea is that the students help remind, cajole, and encourage local residents to get off their duff and get to the polling places.
According to Wiki, Bard has 1801 undergraduates, 261 postgraduates and a faculty numbering 224.
Not big, but in a special election, each vote has at least double the influence as it does in a general election, and in some cases, each vote has four or five times the influence.
In other words, the 2062 students at Bard (if they are really motivated) could have the influence of a school of at least 4100 to 11,000 in a general election.
Nate, as someone who lives in New York, I think your updated comments are very well put. It is important for people to note that a Northeastern Republican in 2009 is somewhat similar to Southern Democrat. They may vote by their partisan identification in local or state elections, but for national elections they tend to identify more with the rest of the region. A Republican in New York will always at least attempt to run with a moderate platform, which is why Tedisco desperately tried to avoid taking a stand on the stimulus. It seems that the Republican party leadership exerted a lot of pressure on him (perhaps by threatening to withhold funding) to take his "no" position, but it may have been a miscalculation on his part and may very well cost him the election. We'll find out Tuesday!
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If, as you say, this district is Republican on a state Senate level, then this poll is REALLY good news for Tedisco...after all, wasn't he the NY Senate Majority Leader?
From "Big Bad John's" post, I deduce that we're no longer moderating posts. Or else the moderator has a very expansive view of proper political discourse.
@ Mark Grebner
Well it certainly is off-topic :)
But we don’t generally get moderation around here unless someone starts slinging death threats. Nate, to his credit, appears to be a firm believer in the free speech.
The Greasemonkey script for FireFox that some helpful 538er coded a few weeks back has made most of these disruptive posters obselete; I'd encourage folks to look into it.
Hi Nate. A few fact nuggets for all of your late Friday snacking pleasure --
Nate said:
"If you assumed that the district was composed of, say, 40% Republicans, 40% Democrats and 20% independents..."
We don't have to assume because the state of New York provides this info. The breakdown is 26% Democratic registrants and about 41.5% Republicans.
One of my biggest peeves in the world in examining polls is the vast number of pollsters who do not provide the demographic breakdowns of the subsamples that comprise the overall sample of whom they're polling. I actually called the Siena Poll this afternoon to complain about exactly that and left a polite but pointed voice message about this. Remarkably, I was called back at about 5:30 pm on a Friday (Eastern) by Steve Greenberg of the Siena Poll who cheerfully and patiently answered my questions. They screen heavily for likely voters. The percentages of both Democrats AND Republicans that they're using to comprise their samples in this poll are both a few percentage points larger than their respective shares of the registered voting population. That stands to reason as partisan voters tend to be more highly motivated, hence more likely to vote in the special election when nothing else is on the ballot. It does make sense to use registered voters as a starting place if you're analyzing a poll if you have no other data to go by. But it's worth noting that Siena is far from alone in using relatively elaborate likely voter screens in probing for who will actually vote. So it's a little dangerous to project a poll's results based on registered voters, even if you have the exact registered voter numbers available unless you know that the pollster is basing its numbers on them and not doing any likely voter screens. If there were ever a time to use likely voter screens, it's in a special election where it's very difficult otherwise to determine who will actually vote.
Rest assured, as friendly and charming as Steve was, I persisted in telling him that I thought it was crazy for polls -- especially academically sponsored polls -- to be reporting results without giving us the percentage of respondents who are Democrats, Republicans & all other available demographic breakdowns. The polls are really impossible to evaluate on an individual basis otherwise, although Nate has done quite interesting work at looking at the performance of various different polling firms over time. I suggest all readers of 538 squawk to pollsters whenever they neglect to provide this information. Steve said that he would "run my comments up the flagpole". Imagine if all pollsters were jabbed a bit by dozens of people every time they neglected to provide the most basic demographic data necessary to evaluate their performance.
I just went on intrade and they have Tedisco with a 65% chance of winning. Maybe they feel Republicans will get out their base better...I hope so.
Roofus the dufus: He's not off-topic at all - the pols are all dicks. And sugerfunk- you call what you do in New York living?!
No, Rob, Tedisco was not the state senate majority leader. That was Joe Bruno up until last summer, and Joe Bruno's state senate district covers at least 1/3 of NY-20 in Rennselear, Saratoga, and Washington counties. Joe ruled with an iron hand for many years, which may also be a reason for declining Republican loyalty, now that he's been indicted by the Feds.
Nate the sexy supergeek: you forgot to answer my q. I suppose you thought it beneath you. twat.
I understand Murphy has been running adds alluding to the fact that Tedisco is another one beholden to Rush. Then more curiously, all of a sudden the polls have flipped in Murphy's favor. Hmmm....This has all the trappings of being better than sex come Tuesday.
A Murphy democratic victory will be devastating to the Republican party. As if the writing on the wall was not clear enough last November....This result will cripple the Republicans. Now, if we can just get Rush front and center in the news right around the fall next year....the mid-term election results could be breathtaking. Something tells me Rush will do or say something that will make our dream come true. Just sayin'....
I don't think I have ever been more ecstatic about politics in my life, than I am at this very moment. This is dessert on top of November.
Tedisco will easily win by 4-5%. Republicans are pissed and will get out and vote. Democrats will sit at home waiting for their mortgages to be paid off.
I'd think that Republicans are favored here, but let's remember that Tedisco started out with a 15 point edge (which is consistent with the GOP registration edge in the district.) So if he wins by 5 then it is a win for the Republicans but they will have a tough time spinning it as anything more than that. There is no question that Tedisco's position on the stimulus hurt him (first by refusing to say how he would have voted, then by saying he was against it.) Even if he wins by five, expect that Democrats may use Republicans' votes against the stimulus against them next time around, especially if it works and the economy starts to turn around.
steeles a goner
John said...
I just went on intrade and they have Tedisco with a 65% chance of winning. Maybe they feel Republicans will get out their base better...I hope so.
It is just a single poll that has Murphy ahead. Even if it was trending this direction.
I think the bigger, more structural problem for the RNC is that the Libertarian has very openly come out for the Democratic candidate. They are a cantankerous lot at the best of times ;) but it seems more of the growing rift between libertarians and the RNC. Ron Paul's offshoot convention last fall wasn't exactly isolated.
That's a sign that things are seriously unraveling, Goldwater's predictions about "these preachers" really coming to fruit.
The interesting thing to watch on Tuesday is the turnout. If it's the usual for special elections -- less than half that of the general -- it will mean that Obama's ground game troops from November weren't mobilized. This would obviously favor Tedisco.
If, on the other hand, the turnout is 60% or more of the general, Tedisco is toast and Obama's troops can take the credit. They were conspicuously absent during the Georgia runoff. Was that just exhaustion (and discouragement over a very unfavorable race), or do they only turn out for Obama? Tuesday is going to tell us a lot.
I no longer live in NY-20 (I'm across the river with Hinchey). Can anyone who's there tell us about this?
slasher14,
Re: ground game in the Georgia run-off election - sometimes its best to pick your battles and not waste a lot of energy on a losing battle. That is how many people saw the situation in the Georgia run-off.
The NY-20 is not the same situation, so it will be interesting to see what the turn out will be. But to state that turn out will be determined by the 'Obama ground game' is disingenuous. Obama was NOT on the ballot in 2006 when a very large and good ground game allowed the Democrats to take back both the House and the Senate. A lot of the credit in 2006 has to go to (then) DNC Chairman Howard Dean, who set the ground for the Obama victory in 2008. After all, Gillibrand was already an incumbent in 2008 when she ran, having first won, as a Democrat, in a Republican-leaning district. True, there were special circumstances for that win in 2006, but it WAS a win in 2006, prior to the Obama campaign.
I wouldn't be so eager to see Michael Steele go. He is a polarizing figure that helps keep the GOP from forming a united front.
If the Democrats lose NY-20, it will be no big deal in terms of their majority, or as a prediction of the future. If the Democrats win this seat, then that will be good, but again not such a big deal. The Republicans are all praying that some new calamity will emerge to knock Obama off his feet. It's their only hope. Winning a seat in Congress, in a traditionally GOP district, thus reducing the Democratic majority in the House to 37 instead of 38 seats: big f*cking deal.
It will take more than that to create the kind of swell the GOP will need to change people's minds about them.
538 has my favorite comments of any blog, honestly, and that isn't necessarily a good thing. Normally I would never jump in and join them, but I do have to wonder - with the addition now of the erudite and articulate SantaTurdo, how many wackos does everyone think there actually are? I think probably 2 - SantaTurdo is obviously another MuleRider from his Nate Silver call-outs, but I think jack-be-nimble is a unique individual. I'm sure PeteKent, GROG, Smoking Aces, and the new Jeff are all handles of one of the two, though - you can usually tell them apart by how vulgar and frothing at the mouth they seem.
Its pretty hard to tell them apart though. I could easily see them all being one person (and come to think of it, they've never replied to each other as far as I can see), and maybe its even 3 people, but I doubt it.
Really though, guys, keep up the good work. I don't know what I'd do without your unique brand of crazy. Statler and Waldorf's soap opera is always a good laugh, but you win the trolling prize hands down.
Lates.
I gave $10 to Murphy even though I live in NJ. I wish I could do some GOTV, but I don't have the time or ability to do it.
Let's hope we win this referendum on Obama, Pelosi, Reid, the Stimulus, the budget, and everything else so we can shut up the drive-by neoconservatard bandwagon (if that's even possible).
I must say, this doesn't surprise me, in the least. I go to Bard College, which is smack-dab in NY-20.
Firstly, yes, Bard is an extremely liberal school. But the entire surrounding areas of Red Hook, Kingston, Tivoli, etc., are pretty big Republican strongholds. In the local area elections, Democrats won a majority of the local seats back in '07 for the first time since the 1970s. There is a clear leaning more towards Democratic voting.
That, however, doesn't change the fact that there are, more likely than not, more registered Republicans than Democrats.
I also must say that I would not be surprised at ALL if the numbers for Republicans supporting Tedisco is really that low. We're talking about New York here, not Oklahoma or something. Most New Yorkers, even the Conservative ones, are more open to Democratic ideas and such than the "stereotypical Republican" one might think. Murphy was relatively unknown until he got into the race. Tedisco, on the other hand, was more well-known at the start, which would make sense in terms of his decent lead earlier in the race.
Murphy, however, has been making quite an impact. He visited bard a couple weeks ago, and personally came to the opening of the Red Hook office. On top of that, he has a decently active phone-banking system in place (even using the Votebuilder software that I was using back during the Obama Campaign). I've even phonebanked for him a couple times.
Although I can't speak for the entirety of NY-20, I do understand the way that politics has been working in the surrounding area. Considering the fact that we have been seeing a shift in NY-20 toward more Democratic voting in recent years, it wouldn't surprise me if my experiences could be extrapolated to most of the rest of NY-20.
My overall point here is that,
a) This poll is completely believable based on a number of the factors I mentioned above, and
b) Tedisco's Republican support in the poll is completely believable to me, so finally
c) I would absolutely agree with your conclusions on this one, Nate.
The NY Times is running an article stating that Tedisco is running ads trying to associate Murphy with the A.I.G. bonuses:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/nyregion/28election.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print#
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It's now 2 weeks since the 3-judge panel in Minnesota started to work on their decision in the contested senate race.What the hell is taking so long?
We need Franken to be seated,even if only provisionally!
Although the poll here probably isn't factoring it in much (to a small extent, most likely), it would not surprise me if Republican support dropped even more on account of this: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/libertarian-ex-candidate-accuses-goper-of-kicking-him-off-ballot-endorses-democrat.php
Eric Sundwell, the Libertarian candidate, was kicked off of the ballot, and apparently, he's blaming Tedisco. Now that he's endorsed Scott Murphy, it would not be in the least surprising if Murphy got a boost (small or moderate) as a result. Not bad news for Murphy in the slightest.
How good a history do special election polls have? Just seems that with a (likely) low turnout and small sample sizes, can they really be that accurate?
On Michael Steele, it would be the worst thing right now that the GOP could do to get rid of Michael Steele, it would just further cement the image of a party in real crisis. No idea of how to oppose Obama's policies, no leadership, and no settled idea of how to move forward.
I grew up in a small farm town in NY-20. My Dad was a blue-collar Dem - I don't think he ever voted for a Republican - but, he registered as one.
Shows what you know david aronsonofabitch.
Part of the high republican registration of NY-20 has to do with just plain demographics, large portions of the district are rural (predominately Republican, especially in NY), and exurban (also mostly Republican). It avoids large urban areas (mostly Democratic, especially in NY), so the only cities in it are pretty small, like Hudson and Saratoga Springs. Saratoga Springs is also pretty affluent, which makes it less of a Democratic stronghold.
But yes, the state senate also has a lot to do with it, the 43st senate district covers most of this congressional district. Until last year, this was the district of Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno, one of the most powerful (and pork-happy) Republicans in the state. He had represented the area since the 1980's, when the Republican party was upstate NY's vehicle for "fighting back" against the "Corrupt NYC Democratic Machine". He certainly did a great deal towards maintaining the strength of the local republican party as the national republican party drifted further and further away from local values.
Nate the sexy supergeek: you forgot to answer my q. I suppose you thought it beneath you. twat.
How many accounts do you have?
Assrider
SmokingAsses
TurdEater
???
You need to grab Rusty Trombone before another insane troll like PK or GROG steals it.
Being associated with the Republican Party these days is undesirable, even for Republicans.
It is not surprising at all. Democrats won in certain very red areas last fall(parts of UT and ID for example).
Even in a blood red area, having the Republican albatross around your neck is at least a 5 point handicap.
The laughable "budget" and Steele's insistence that his gaffes are intentional of this week only makes it worse for the dying party.
If this turns out to be a referendum on the AIG bailout, then it's all over for the republican candidate.
Befuddled said...
How many accounts do you have?
Assrider
SmokingAsses
TurdEater
???
You need to grab Rusty Trombone before another insane troll like PK or GROG steals it.
LMAO!!!
@Befuddled: the (ir)relevance of the obsessive feces-focused comments will be determined on Tuesday.
You are right to link ass-obsessed hydra to a single twisted body.
A good guess would be that that body is employed by a consulting company in Memphis.
Nate, really - Sienna had upperclassman leadership in the backcourt and OSU was young. I'm an OSU alum and I picked them to get beat. At least tell me you got the WVU/Dayton match-up right.
Intrade has changed Tedisco's chances of winning from 65% to 55%. I am here in the 20th doing some work for Murphy as I did for Gillibrand. We might just pull this one out of the hat!
Has anyone at 538 (or anywhere else) studied polling of special elections?
It seems to me that polling such races must be even more difficult than usual, since turnout is so hard to predict.
One thing that's certain is that turnout will be lower than for a similar race held in November. To me, that means that the effect of campaign organization -- depth of grassroots support and volunteers, VoterID and GOTV programs -- can be much greater than normal. Whoever has the better ground game can swing the election a lot more easily if you've only got 30% of the electorate showing up, instead of 60%.
I live in the 20th CD, and would just note this about voter registration:
Many of the counties in the district have Republican leadership, or only very recently switched over to Democratic; and oldschool machine politics rules in many of these counties.
This means that you historically there have been a lot of independent and even Democratic voters who registered Republican because you *had* to in order to get a County or Town job, say with the public works department. You've got a very top-down, old boy system still largely in place; it can feel like you're living 60-70 years in the past.
Moreover, in many of these counties, public sector jobs are very high on the list of top employers, sometimes the #1 employer.
With Pataki in office for many years, the tendency to register GOP for job purposes got even worse, since the 20th is close to the State Capitol, and many people commute to work there. Once Spitzer was elected, a few people migrated back to their "natural" party, but with GOP holds still on a lot of County governments, you still find centrists and even some very liberal people on the GOP rolls.
This is subsiding in recent years, but still is a factor. (And it is part of why Gillibrand's "I had to pander to the right" line is b.s.)
I will stick to my assessment that Scott Murphy wins. Many do not realize the odd shape of the NY20th that now only covers an area North of Albany but also meanders down the Hudson Valley south. The traditional Republican strongholds have eroded over the past 8 years with even Hillary winning many of those areas when she ran as Senator.
New York Republicans are more moderate in their beliefs and often reject those who appear to be right of center. The Republican Party in towns that were in the past strong is severely weakened. The city of Saratoga which had a rich history of Republican dominance is no longer so. Local scandals have occurred in both Parties but the Republican scandals cut to the nature of what the GOP has said made them a better choice. The stink of the campaign being run by Jim Tedisco is heavy and not appreciated by the more conservative Democrats many of whom are now motivated to show up in a special election to vote their displeasure.
The election will be a referendum on campaign tactics more than policy. The poll trends in recent weeks track directly to the intensity of the negative campaign ads of Mr. Tedisco. The more negative campaign ads by Mr. Tedisco have resulted in a drop in his poll numbers.
i am not sure i completely grok the intrade stuff but they seem to be now saying that tedisco has a 42% chance of winning in ny20 on tuesday. correct me if i am misreading things.
Don't get too cocky. The only reason this is happening is because, as weak and ineffective as Harry Reid is, Michael Steele is even weaker.
You have to become strong in your own right to continue winning elections. If the only reason why you're on top is because your opponent is pathetic, look out for whoever replaces him-and makes you miss your old, easy to beat foe.
Murphy will win. If this was merely a Republican vs. Democrat race, Tedisco would win. But Murphy has suceeded in turning the race into Rush Limbaugh vs. President Obama, and the Presidennt wins that race. High unemployment in the district, and the President, along with his stimulus package, is popular. BTW, Siena did include the Libertarian candidate in their poll & he received 2%, much of which will now go to Murphy. The numbers in the Siena poll aren't that important but the trend is. One more thing, Tedisco has the national Republican albatross around his neck, because they are funding the campaign. He started out refusing to taje a stand on the stimulus bill, knowing full well that it was popular in the district, but was forced to say he was against it by the national Republicans. Tbis looks like a train wreck for the Republiczns.
looks like murphy is going for the jugular. good.
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The Republicans may become a declining party in New York as they did in New Jersey.
The national Republican party is much to the right of the Northern New York party which had its history in the anti-NYC machine.
What united the New York Republicans for the longest time wasn't as much ideology as anti-New York City.
However, power breeds power in politics. You don't support a party unless it can do something for you, and that means being in power.
For the longest time, although the smaller party, the Republicans controlled the NY Senate through gerrymandering. They could also make a stab for the Governorship by combining with the Fusion progressives.
Well, the NY Senate is out of their reach, and if 2010 comes without them returning to control, they may never get a chance to control it again. The U.S. Senate is out of their control too. And, I am not too sure if the can capture the governorship again.
So, I suspect that the staunch Republicans in New York may switch their alliance and party. Voting for minority state senators and representatives will get you no goodies. Voting for the losing side in state and federal elections doesn't do you much good either.
If the Republicans can't win this district, they've lost New York for the next decade. Steele is out, but I don't know if that will help the GOP any. The Republican problem in New York is mainly due to the national GOP abandonment of New York Republicans as being mere RINOs.
The Republicans are finding out the lessons the liberal Democrats learned in the 1960s and 1970s: Throwing out everyone who disagrees with you creates a party where everyone agrees with you, but also a party that is incapable of winning elections.
The Republicans have to stop being the "conservative" party and build a coalition among conservative, moderates, and even some liberal voters. The U.S. party system is not one of ideological purity, but of coalition building. You find a diverse group of people who support a particular set of issues.
So tomorrow New York will fill a vacancy in the House, which hadn't existed until a vacancy in the Senate was filled, and that vacancy in the Senate hadn't existed yet when the recount in Minnesota finished-- and yet, the seat in Minnesota will still be sitting empty. What is wrong with this picture?
wv: tortie, the nickname for the cute little pet torturer that the Republicans keep in the basement.
Albany voters are very socially liberal and the only reason there are more republicans is due to the state elections which had Pataki in power for 3 terms, and many legacy republicans are Reagan republicans. There is a strong anti-Bush sentiment and pro-Obama sentiment. Unemployed upstaters need the bailout and will want to vote for Murphy. The economy really sucks here. If Tedisco ran as an independent or switched to Dem he would have won due to name recognition, but most upstaters still dislike Bush and Rush even more. Besides all of Tedisco's voters live in the next county, so he's not even guaranteed his loyalty votes.
Democratic Candidate Scott Murphy is using controversial Republican figures to get voters to come out to the polls on Tuesday. Let's see if the times union does it's job and asks Murphy about this.
Scott Murphy for Congress truth about bonuses
Scott Murphy for Congress tax problem
Scott Murphy for Congress against death penalty
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