2.09.2009

One-Two-Three-Four: What is Bipartisanship Good For?

Over at Pollster.com, Mark Blumethal takes issue with my attempt to tie Obama's declining (although still very strong) approval ratings to the debate over the stimulus package, and particularly my assertion that Obama's attempt to frame the issue in bipartisan terms was not constructive. I'm not sure that Mark and I are actually disagreeing on all that much, but let's try and break this one down:

Are Obama's declining approval ratings in fact tied to the stimulus?

Mark's argument is that the reason Obama's approval ratings have declined is that we have moved out of the honeymoon period surrounding his inauguration, and the fawning press coverage that it inevitably entails. That is, some or all of the decline was inevitable as the inauguration afterglow wore off.

The critique I'd have of this is that the inauguration bounce typically tends to be somewhat long-lasting. Gallup, in fact, reports that "new presidents' approval ratings typically increase in the first few months of their presidencies" (emphasis mine).

This may, of course, be because new presidents typically choose to enact safe and popular policies at the very beginnings of their term. Obama, however, did not have the luxury of easing into his term. On the contrary, the stimulus -- one of the most controversial and complex pieces of legislation ever to come before the country -- was at the top of his docket from Day One.

So in a literal sense, the answer to my question is probably "yes". I don't think Obama's approval ratings would have declined to the same extent had the stimulus not been on the table. But really I'm not sure that Mark and I are disagreeing. Obama probably wasn't going to maintain an approval rating in the 70s forever; the stimulus may merely have accelerated the inevitable.

The real question, I think, is the following:

What would Obama's approval ratings look like right now if he had pursued a more combative, partisan approach to the stimulus? Would they be worse? Better? Or about the same?

This is probably unanswerable. But as Mark points out, most of the decline in Obama's approval ratings has come from Republicans, among whom he has lost a net of about 24 approval points (approval rating less disapproval rating) in two weeks. This is in spite of the fact that by roughly a 2:1 margin, Republicans think that Obama is in fact working in a bipartisan fashion, according to the latest CBS News poll.

In other words, there are quite a lot of Republicans who believe that (i) Obama is in fact governing in a bipartisan manner but (ii) disapprove of his performance anyway. Republicans can appreciate Obama's civility -- but still disagree with every piece of his agenda.

Does Obama need the support of Republican voters to pass his agenda?

While Obama certainly needs the support of a couple of Republican senators to pass his agenda, he doesn't necessarily need the support of Republican voters. If Obama maintains the support of about 95 percent of Democrats and two-thirds of independents, his approval rating would remain at about 60 percent even with no Republican support at all, and he'd be above 50 percent approval in 42 of the 50 states according to Gallup's recent party ID figures. The key Republican moderates in the Senate, moreover, can't afford to ignore their Obama-loving constituents. About 40 percent of Susan Collins' support in her successful re-election bid in Maine, for instance, came from people who also voted for Obama.

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Basically, I think Obama needn't spend a great deal of time worrying about his approval ratings among Republicans, and particularly among conservative Republicans. In the first place, it is probably inevitable that he will lose their support -- no matter how "bipartisan" his behavior. In the second, because there are so few Republican voters left, he doesn't really require the support of very many of them to maintain an impressive electoral coalition.

Now, that doesn't mean that Obama should poke needles in the Republicans' eyes at every opportunity -- and he certainly can't afford to lose the support of substantial numbers of independents and conservative Democrats. Nor should he assume -- as I think certain liberal blogs are making the mistake of assuming -- that there has been some sort of paradigm shift in the American electorate. We know that most Americans are sick and tired of Republican ideas and are eager to pursue some different ones. But we don't know whether this shift is permanent or temporary, nor how robust it will be in the face of the trials and tribulations that the new president will inevitably face.

But the value of maintaining the appearance of bipartisanship does not appear to be all that high if it gets in the way of persuasion. For a week or so there during the stimulus debate, we were getting a lot of the former from the White House, but not so much of the latter. Tonight's press conference marked a return to the persuasive Obama. His approval ratings, I'm guessing, will improve as a result -- and more importantly, so will his prospects for favorable legislative outcomes.

48 comments

ArcadeFire said...

first

HAKKIN£N!!!!!!!!!!!!! said...

Two words: "Sarah Palin"

Another one: "Whore"

Jenny said...

Efff Ronald Reagan

STOP TORTURING US, NATE!!

What's next? Portraits of Guiliani, Palin, and McSame?

RufusRules said...

Nice.

Your move, Mr. Blumenthal :)

EmonOkari said...

I thought his press conference tonight was a masterpiece. Some say the timing is late. Perhaps. But I feel it had the right message, the right ideas, and the right tone.

Raka said...

In other words, there are quite a lot of Republicans who believe that (i) Obama is in fact governing in a bipartisan manner but (ii) disapprove of his performance anyway.

Er? So out of 100 Republicans, 67 feel Obama is acting in a bipartisan manner, and 24 like him less than they did a while ago. Your conclusion seems to assume that most of those 24 come from the 67 bipartisan believers, and not the 33 who believe Obama is ignoring what they want. Which isn't the conclusion I would necessarily reach.

Am I missing something obvious again?

Taft said...

At the very least, Obama's bipartisanship consists in his refusal to demonize his political opponents, and it's one of his most appealing traits. Few can resist the temptation to regard their detractors as lacking in character or intelligence, but public engagement on that level doesn't solve anything. Arguably, Obama's lack of partisan rhetoric put him in the enviable position of being more "Christian" than his hate-filled republican adversaries who absurdly cling to the notion of their own spiritual superiority.
GOP legislators who must portray themselves as defenders of ideological purity may be forced to personally attack Obama to maintain their party identity and please their dittohead base, but the public is not bound by such constraints. My assumption is that in the face of GOP rantings, Obama's calmness will serve him well with the public.
We've been told for eight miserable years that if you're not for us you're against us. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now. You might be mistaken, and I might feel I have to oppose your position, but that doesn't make you part of the axis of evil.
Whatever republican legislators say, Obama's bipartisan mentality may allow him to go over their heads.

George said...

A prediction - 538's access to anyone in the White House will be cut off after BP projects POTUS' favorite team (the Sweat Sox) to finish in last place in the AL Central with a 74-88 record. BP also projects the Cubs to have the best record in the NL (96-66). It leaves unanswered the question if there will be a quick exit from the playoffs and if so, will anyone in the bleachers notice.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

Bob said...

In todays world we have two kind of Republicans the unreasonable ones (most of those in Congress ) and the reasonable ones that represent a lot of long time Republicans who can't bring them to switch parties but are more moderate and not the conservative ideology slaves that are in Congress. I think that it is very possible that Obama holds the moderate Republican approval but that that gets him very little in Congress because there aren't very many moderate Republicans left. I still say that Obama's drop in ratings is solely going from huge hope to the reality of governing. Even so there aren't many Presidents that have spent much if any time over 60%.

Taft said...

Bob

Yep. Maybe Obama's bipartisanship is more for future and past republicans than the current know-nothing crop.
What I like about Obama is that I'm not convinced it's an act. Cynics will of course disagree, but that's what they do anyway.

Taft said...

I forgot to mention that neocon-types want everybody to be cynical about politics because it furthers their general anti-government agenda, regardless of whether the cynic is left- or right-leaning.
Of course, it's possible to be too uncritical as well, and that's a charge R's are always making about Obama fans--but they make it so cynically that they undercut their message, IMHO.

jonathan said...

+of 100 Republicans, 67 feel Obama is acting in a bipartisan manner, and 24 like him less than they did a while ago. Your conclusion seems to assume that most of those 24 come from the 67 bipartisan believers, and not the 33 who believe Obama is ignoring what they want. Which isn't the conclusion I would necessarily reach.+
The control assumption would be that about 18 of the 24 who like him less come from the 67 bipartisan believers.
Of course, so many of the 33 non-bipartisan believers already had their dislike of Obama set at maximum, that it could well be more than 18 of the 24 were from the other camp.

loner said...

What is Bipartisanship Good For?

The country. Like it or not, this country was designed to be governed long-term by something approaching concensus.

I've thought of the close to The Federalist No. 55, authored by Madison, from time to time while reading and thinking about this President's approach to governance during his first couple of weeks in his new role.

As there is a degree of depravity in mankind which requires a certain degree of circumspection and distrust, so there are other qualities in human nature which justify a certain portion of esteem and confidence. Republican government presupposes the existence of these qualities in a higher degree than any other form. Were the pictures which have been drawn by the political jealousy of some among us faithful likenesses of the human character, the inference would be, that there is not sufficient virtue among men for self-government; and that nothing less than the chains of despotism can restrain them from destroying and devouring one another.

"A republic, madam, if you can keep it."

peter said...

Nate,

There is terrible anxiety out there at the moment. People are worried about keeping their homes, and feeding their families. I imagine some of that translates into disgust with all things political, and Obama's numbers reflect that.

Taft said...

loner

Wow! Despite the cognitive dissonance between your blog name and the substance of your post (I assume you aren't a "troubled" loner), the Federalist quote is absolutely perfect.

Thank you.

Lupercal said...

tx for elevating the conversation loner. i still have to catch up on my federalist papers...
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peter, i think you are perfectly correct in your assessment. especially if you don't have 3 hrs per day to catch up to the latest silliness, usually you feel pretty insulated from the political process, and disgusted by the political posturing (repub obstruction, the ubiquitous democratic pork, and the nastiness of the republican tirades on the senate floor.)

duckysherwood said...

Obama doesn't need to only worry about losing approval from Republicans if he gives up on trying to engage with Republicans.

I am very much a liberal. I am so liberal that I really did up and move to Canada from the US, in large part because I was so dismayed that my fellow Americans elected Bush in 2004. I think those are pretty good bona fides. However, >>I<< would think less of Obama if he became fiercely partisan. I want to believe -- I *yearn* for the US to become a country where we can work together, where bipartisanship makes our laws better than one where one party need not heed the other.

KQuark said...

All partisan arguments do is polarize the electorate. It's like negative campaigning everyone's favorable ratings go down. See link from Research 2000 weekly favorable/unfavorable polls you can see everyone's favorable ratings go down. People hate partisan battles.

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends

The Religious Left said...

Food for thought:
http://www.betweenthecolumns.com/2009/02/if-hope-doesnt-work-try-fear.html

livemild said...

What was the theory behind a two party system? My own theory is that with almost 300 million people that two party system is going to break down. If you also consider that we do not have two DISTINCT parties, that broken system can be thrown out the window.

Big business has become the only party in America. Look at the media, look at this bill, look at the laws, look at the supreme court, look at congress, and look at the wars America wages. All of these are either written by , supported, or are driven by what is good for big business-not what is good for the individual.

The industrial revolution was at the same time the beginning of the middle class in America and also the beginning of the end for the middle class in America. Third world economics have taken over the entire world. We are doomed.

What amazes me is how easily my fellow Americans have bought into all of this.

AxelDC said...

First of all, Obama never plays the short game. He knows that he is going to get a stimulus package, and knows he has the votes to do it.

He is trying to work with the Republicans to show precisely that Republicans can't be reasoned with. If he invites them to dinner, wines and dines them and they still say "No" to a popular legislative package, he has won a double victory.

If his stimulus plan works, then he is re-elected. If it doesn't work, then he can point to Republicans as being so stubborn that he couldn't get accomplished what he needed. Either way, your average voter in 2010 is going to the polls very unhappy with Republicans, and a 3rd electoral blood bath for Republicans could put them on the brink of irrelevancy.

There is nothing that says Republicans have to be our 2nd national party, and if they shrink to 35 Senate seats, their viability will soon be called into question.

WilliamJBryan08 said...

Let's not forget that the entire time Obama ran, he was campaigning to change the way Washington works. If he comes in here and changes just the party in power, but not the attitude, not only is it dishonest, but it APPEARS incredibly disingenuous, and there could be some long-term disillusionment due to that. Anyway, you can have the persuasive and the bipartisan Obama.

Stephen C. Rose said...

Scrub Bipartisan, Go Centrist

QueenTiye said...

I don't understand this post. Polls are showing Obama's approval ratings high, and are showing that public approval of the way Obama is conducting business is high. If the president had gone on a partisan binge and resulted in getting the same 61 -36 split (or the same zero republican support in the House) he'd also have one new problem to deal with - public backlash from mbeing too partisan. As it stands, he retains his largely pristine bully pulpit because he appears in the public eye to be doing what he said he would - namely, be open to any good ideas, and look to push past partisan obstructionism.

Surely we can have some analysis of Obama's polling numbers?

QT

PorridgeGun said...

Yesterday was good day for the President. He was good in the town hall meeting, and the press conference was quite refreshing, although he's still a waaay too respectful of the people who've made it clear they want to prolong the economic collapse and see his presidency fail. But he did get a few digs in. From what I saw, the MSM did their jobs for once and reported the facts. CNN in particular were better than usual. Did anyone catch Anderson Cooper remind Alex Castellanos that Republicans are now trying to enulate the Taliban? I was LMAO.




On President Obama's "honeywoon" supposedly being over, Jon Stewart absolutely nailed the absurdity of the whole idea of a honeymoon, at least according to the MSM's definition. If you haven't already, you need to watch these:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=217665&title=Big-%27Bama%27s-House



http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=217704&title=Clusterf#@k-to-the-Poor-House---The-Death-of-Hope

Statler N Waldorf said...

I think Obama's on the right track.

Centrism failed us under Clinton. In order to get modest reforms accomplished, he had to screw his base repeatedly. remember health care reform? Lifting the military ban? AFDC? DOMA?

A successful President does not need to sell his soul just to keep from going under entirely.


Obama is not satisfied with merely holding on. He genuinely wants to improve this country, to fix the problems that have plagued it for all too long, and leave it better than when he found it.

Fuck centrism. Go bipartisan.

Obama's bipartisanship has won over alot of conservative voters, if not legislators. This means in the short term, you won't see any effects-the GOP int he House and Senate will still be stuck on rhetoric and refuse to pay any attention to their electorate, preferring the sound of the voices of Boehner and McConnell to their constituencies. Then, in 2010, something very dramatic will happen- the Obama Republican voters will vote for GOP moderates in the primaries. If they fail to defeat the incumbents, they will then go for Blue Dogs in the general.

Be patient. President Obama knows exactly what he is doing.

Michelle said...

I think the REAL real question is:

Would Obama be better off OVERALL if he had pursued a more combative, partisan approach to the stimulus?

I don't think Obama is focusing so much on boosting his approval ratings but on setting the tone for his entire term. If right at the beginning of his presidency he'd been combative and hyper-partisan, that would set the stage for a nasty 4-8 years, and it would be nearly impossible to go back and start over on the right foot. If he wanted any chance of changing the tone in Washington he HAD to start from the very beginning, and that's these stimulus negotiations.

Therefore, it's a waste of time to debate whether his approach has been better, or worse, or the same for his poll numbers RIGHT NOW. It's setting the stage for a more civil Washington in the long term that matters.

Dan Szymborski said...

He is trying to work with the Republicans to show precisely that Republicans can't be reasoned with. If he invites them to dinner, wines and dines them and they still say "No" to a popular legislative package, he has won a double victory.

So, that's actually why many Democrats have tried to end the unjustified war in Iraq? Dubya wasn't generous enough with the finely marbled steak?

I know that this is a strange thought around here, but it occurs to me that Republicans may have voted against the bill because they disagree with its provisions.

As someone who found the polemics against Democrats that criticized the Patriot Act as downright stomach-turning, I'm not exactly thrilled about the other side doing the exact same thing.

If it doesn't work, then he can point to Republicans as being so stubborn that he couldn't get accomplished what he needed.

It's cute that both political parties believe that this is true.

Ask the Republicans how well saying that various things would be better if the Democrats cooperated more worked for them.

When you're in charge and things go wrong, voters blame you. Republicans pretended it wasn't true and got punished for it at the ballot box. If the Democrats take the same mindset, they'll face punishment, too. There's nothing so temporary as permanent victory.

Statler N Waldorf said...

Dan,

Yes, and when you're on top and things do work out fine, while the opposition party keeps trying to obstruct you unsuccessfully, the public rewards you by wiping out the minority in the midterm elections.

The main difference between the Bush majority and the Obama majority?

Competence.

PorridgeGun said...

Michelle said...

I think the REAL real question is:

Would Obama be better off OVERALL if he had pursued a more combative, partisan approach to the stimulus?



Obama doesn't need to be combative, at least publicly. That's the job of the Chief of Staff, the Vice President, Barney Frank, Patrick Leahy and allies like John Kerry. But the president shouldn't hesitate to be combative with his agenda.


I know this seems strange considering that it's Obama, but yesterday was an eye opener. They way I see it, the President should bypass Washington and take his message directly to the American people. Afterall, those are the people who put him in office. And if so-called moderate Republicans and blue dog Democrats fail to act on his wishes, then their constituents will put pressure on them into fall in line. It's obvious that as long as Obama has the support of 60-70% of the American people, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, and especially Arlen Specter will vote with the president. Add to that Sen. Franken and perhaps Bonnie whatshername, and Obama will have no problem in making wingnuts and Ben Nelson irrelevant for the next 2 years.

I think Obama's biggest problem right now is he respects old Washington establishment politcs too much. If Obama wants to be an effective president, he can't rely on old Washington establishment politicians.

hwickline said...

Excellent analysis as ever, Nate. But your protest-chant-title-writing needs some serious help.

mhz said...

Great post Nate-

Nevertheless I am a huge fan of due diligence and in Obama's weekly address he rightly said:

"Legislation of such magnitude deserves the scrutiny that it's received over the last month, and it will receive more in the days to come."

True, the American Public and Political Discourse did not deserve clip after clip of wing-nut ranting.

Let's just hope the editing that has and is happening to this bill is better than the editing that forced Founding Fathers to remove a call for the end to the transatlantic slave trade from the Declaration of Independence. Versions of the deleted clause can be viewed here or here. Apparently, John Adams remarked that:
this country would be at war in 100 years because of this failure.
He was only off by about 10 years.

Some of these tax cut are probably actually bad for the economy- But thankfully, not as bad as slavery-

If this thing is passed by Washington's B-Day- Obama is on track and doing his job- G-D Damn I am glad we hired this guy!

Statler N Waldorf said...
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Statler N Waldorf said...

MHz

Mind if I call you megahertz for short?

Personally, I hope it passes the Senate today. The House and Senate will then have to meet to reconcile the variations int he bill, and I hope much of what the Senate stripped from the house version will be restored. Deliberations should result in some compromise, so we'll see what we get in the end.

I'm also glad that Obama's at the helm. I think everything is going to work out fine :)

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mhz said...

SnW-

Not at all- I take it as a compliment- though mhz come from family names not electronics- I had completely forgotten that mhz stands for megahertz.

Liberal defender of freedom- I am afraid you have just made it impossible for me to get work done this morning!!

George C said...

I think the Senate vote today is more depressing than the cloture vote last night. The vote indicates that 37 Republicans -- confronted with the idea that their suggestions were frequently rejected by a fair vote -- voted against the only solution on the floor. One can only hope that people are watching this and have some kind of memory.

mhz said...

Dear Mr. Kennedy,

Thanks for showing up- I appreciate it.

Anthony said...

I don't understand why anyone would be in love with bipartisanship. I think the word "partisan" now conflates bitter, name-calling, ad hominem politics (what stinks about partisanship) with policy choices (what's good about partisanship).

Think about it. If you compromise your party's values to the other party, then there aren't two parties anymore: there's one, average party. We all suffer for that. No one wants to hear politicians attack each other on Tee Vee, but hell, turn it off already. Don't throw out the smart policy baby with the partisan bathwater.

Democrats do that. Republicans don't (witness 0 Republican votes for the stimulus bill in the house; they vote in complete lockstep, without any words said about bipartisanship). So, when it comes right down to it, there's effectively one party. Even when we're looking over the edge of an abyss. Beautifully (for the GOP), this political reality means the Overton Window works every time. Democrats == doormats in this setting.

The debate over the economy is particularly crucial because it is, essentially, an ideology clash. The economic theories that Republicans use are up against a wholly different set of theories espoused by Democrats. There's no middle ground; it's one or the other. Pushing too hard for a compromise when there is none to be had leads to failed policy, not some utopia of bipartisan bliss. Let's see you pay your mortgage with bipartisanship...

Besides that, we voted for the Democratic party in November. Not the Frankenstein average of Republican + Democrat, but Democrat. I did not vote for bipartisanship. I personally believe the Republican's economic theories have failed, and I want to see something different. I'm afraid that what we'll get, though, is a hybrid of what might have worked with what we decided didn't work.

So, in the end, let's wonder: could Obama's approval ratings started going down because of this apparent love of bipartisanship? Why? Because (a) you voted for change and you're seeing more of the same Dems compromise/Republicans don't crap; or (b) you're starting to believe your new President is a doormat.

That's what I think is happening to the approval ratings. No one respects a doormat. That's why Congressional Democrats have shit-low approaval figures, it's why Obama came out of the election such high approval numbers (my God, we might actually have a leader!), and it's why his numbers are sinking now (he appears to be caving).

No said...

i have an idea: all the republicans who voted against it -- NONE of their districts should receive ANY of the stimulus. Zero dollars for Zero support.

They and their constituents can do without since they're against it.

.

Statler N Waldorf said...

No,

What about Louisiana, where one Senator voted yes and the other voted no?

todji said...

Two critiques I have of Nate's post:

1. Obama does need to make the appearance of reaching out to Repulicans to maintain the support of independents. That doesn't mean he actually ne needs to be bipartisan.

2. The people who are claiming that Obama's victory marks a change in US electoral politics are limited to the far left. Didn't you make that case as well? And its not just a matter of people changing opinions. There has been demographic shifts over the past 8 years that have given the electoral advantage to the democrats in the past election cycle and probably for the next few elections at least.

Zahlman said...

"Nor should he assume -- as I think certain liberal blogs are making the mistake of assuming -- that there has been some sort of paradigm shift in the American electorate. We know that most Americans are sick and tired of Republican ideas and are eager to pursue some different ones. But we don't know whether this shift is permanent or temporary, nor how robust it will be in the face of the trials and tribulations that the new president will inevitably face."

Hey Nate - if you're so convinced that bipartisanship is working out badly for Obama... why are you suddenly trying it yourself? ;)

Idlerat said...

All of a sudden these days I feel like the question is, "What's the matter with Maine?" I'm a New England native and somewhat familiar with these (insert very annoyed but not truly vicious epithet for Maine voters).

My heart briefly soared at the suggestion implicit in this:

"The key Republican moderates in the Senate, moreover, can't afford to ignore their Obama-loving constituents. About 40 percent of Susan Collins' support in her successful re-election bid in Maine, for instance, came from people who also voted for Obama."

But then it sank again, because I remembered how hard it is to get even Democrats from Maine to budge in their loyalty to these weird women. (Aside: The Maine Senate delegation is to the California Senate delegation as __::__?)

The "Obama votes" that Collins got were, I suspect, actually "Snowe votes" that Obama got. If asked to choose between Obama and their Senators, I'm not sure which way most Maine voters go. More to the point, I think it makes them very happy that they don't actually have to choose - they can continue to vote for Sympia Snollins regardless of how she/they vote/s in the Senate, and regardless of how Maine voters feel about whatever Democrat they supported for President.

fitzpat75 said...

Nate, I've got to raise an objection. This is a growing peeve of mine.

The statement that "Obama certainly needs the support of a couple of Republican senators to pass his agenda" is not true. He can pass his agenda with the Democrats only, as they have the largest Senate majority anyone's had in decades. All he needs any Republican senators to do is get out of the way of a floor vote.

In 2005 the Republicans were out to abolish the filibuster entirely; now they use it every chance they get. Rather, they hint they might use it, and Harry Reid pulls the bill that offends them. Reid has to tell them that those days are over, and force them to actually filibuster. Guaranteed that Collins, Snowe and a few others will cave on cloture because, as you say, "the key Republican moderates in the Senate...can't afford to ignore their Obama-loving constituents."

They will look like fools speaking nonsense all night on C-Span just to obstruct the stimulus when the nation wants action. I say stop watering down the bills to make them happy, expose them for the cranks they are.

Collins and Snowe must not be led to believe they are in the Sandra Day O'Connor role of deciding which way the cookie crumbles. Let's see how long they hold out if they actually have to filibuster.

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