12:26 EST: (Sean) "Nihilism." Per MyDD, David Brooks on Jindal: "In a moment when only the federal government is actually big enough to do stuff, to just ignore all that and just say 'government is the problem, corruption, earmarks, wasteful spending,' it's just a form of nihilism.... I think it's insane, and I just think it's a disaster for the party."
More Kenneth: Jason Linkins of Huffington Post posts comparative videos. Sullivan "can barely count the number of emails" about it. And: the Facebook group.
11:11 EST: (Nate) The full text of Jindal's speech can be found here.
10:56 EST: (Sean) Josh Marshall has "Kenneth the Page" up; it's everywhere... all anyone will remember about this night three months from now is Obama gave a great speech and Bobby Jindal = Kenneth the Page. Big Republican winner tonight: Mike Huckabee.
10:36 EST: (Nate). OK: positives on Jindal. He comes across as sincere, very likable, and I think ultimately can be a better spokesperson for conservative principles than a frosty old white guy. He's just not there yet. Not by a long shot.
10:32 EST: (Sean) "Saddle our children with debt." Alternate reality. I hear Facebook is lighting up with "Kenneth the Page" to the point that this may go down as the Kenneth the Page Speech. This guy is the anointed Republican rising star, by the way. Obama's gotta be laughing about this.
10:29 EST (Nate): If it sounds like Jindal is targeting his speech to a room full of fourth graders, that's because he is. They might be the next people to actually vote for Republicans again.
10:25 EST: (Sean) This guy Jindal sounds like every tour guide ever. Ever been to Monticello? Here's where Thomas Jefferson slept! A friend is insisting "Kenneth the Page" from "30 Rock" though I have never seen the show. (There's no basement in the Alamo!)
10:20 EST: (Sean) Where's Jindal? We heard the reply was supposed to begin sooner than this.
10:14 EST (Nate). And notice that he did pretty much everything that Lakoff suggested.
10:10 EST (Nate). I thought that was done, very, very well. If the country/markets/etc. were looking for a symbolic pivot point, this might have been it.
10:09 EST: (Sean) Who ever wants to volunteer to follow Big Speech Barack? What was Jindal thinking?
10:08 EST: (Sean) "Something worthy to be remembered."
10:03 EST: (Sean) Trademark Obama cynicism-to-hope pivot begins. We're near the close of the Obama part. Bobby Jindal really wanted to follow this?
9:57 EST: (Sean) "For seven years, we have been a nation at war. No longer will we hide its price." Yet, unresolved is whether photographs of flag-draped caskets at Dover AFB will be allowed. No photos = hiding the price.
9:54 EST: (Nate): Cut agricultural subsidies? We ain't in Iowa anymore, Barack.
9:52 EST: (Sean) Obama translation: "did you realize there wasn't any bit of pork or earmarks?" Republicans boo. So deep in the wilderness.
9:45 EST: (Nate). Just like he used the inaugural address to sell the stimulus, he's using this one to sell health care -- hard. Although, I think his pitch is much more effective tonight.
9:42 EST: (Sean) Obama strong rhetorical rhythm point of the speech on "a retooled, re-imagined auto industry.... Millions of jobs depend on it. Scores of communities depend on it. And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."
9:41 EST (Nate). Bipartisan applause for cap-and-trade.
9:38 EST: (Sean) Sneak preview on high school dropouts: "Every American will need to get more than a high school diploma. And dropping out of high school is no longer an option. It’s not just quitting on yourself, it’s quitting on your country."
9:33 EST (Nate). More prosaic than poetic tonight, but I think he's communicating very, very well. Frankly, I think this is the approach that a lot of folks were expecting at the inauguration.
9:30 EST (Nate). The Straits Times index is up almost 0.21 percent since the top of the hour! Rejoice!
9:29 EST: (Sean) We have a drinking game winner. The Empathizer-in-Chief uses "you/your" 48 times.
9:25 EST (Nate). The GOP needed to have a better clapping gameplan. Mitch McConnell not clapping (and, in fact, looking like he's getting ready to pick his nose) at college tuition tax credits = bad.
9:20 EST: (Sean) Nate’s here. I accidentally keep erasing his posts. I have been meaning to ask, of Sean Penn and Taraji Henson, which is Indiana and which is Omaha? “Omaha Sean Penn” kind of rolls off the tongue pretty well, I think.
9:14 EST: (Sean) Obama enters the chamber just ahead of Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.
9:11 EST: (Sean) Look for an emotional moment in the speech involving a certain Senator from Massachusetts.
9:07 EST: (Sean) Starting late. Word search is fun.
Health: 23 (usually health care)
Education: 16 (once is educate, once is educators)
Challenge: 7
Responsibility: 13
Jobs: 14
CEOs: 1
9:05 EST (Nate): Probably not a coincidence that they wanted Geithner (least popular cabinet member) and Clinton (most popular cabinet member) in the same frame.
9:02 EST: (Nate) For those obsessed with the market's reaction to all of this: the Nikkei index, which is trading at this hour, now sits at 7,383.91.
9:00 EST: (Nate). CNN has already called Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut for Obama.
8:57 EST: (Sean) Chris Matthews not impressed "at all" with Jindal's speech, cites "Disneyland" mockery of light rail. Matthews loves rail.
8:55 EST: (Sean) A few more.
Recover/Recovery: 15
Crisis: 11
Recession: 6
Democrat/s/ic: 3
Republican/s: 3
8:50 EST: (Sean) 10 min to go, though they're supposed to be running late. The text has the following words this many times:
America/American/Americans: 38
Economy: 22
Congress: 11
Confident/Confidence: 7
Optimism/Optimist: 0
Difficult: 4
Also, I wonder if anyone messes with Joe Biden.
2.24.2009
Obama Joint Session (and Jindal Reply) Liveblog
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What? No salaams or alohas? How about a gezundtheit? This speech is going to be excessively American....
I hope he reminds us that criticizing or being skeptical of government is as American as apple pie -- but so is rallying in a time of troubles. So he welcomes criticism and constructive advice; but not obstructionism.
Check CNN, Statler.
i thought this was the actual state of the union... didnt know they didnt have one the first year
kinda weird hes having a "fake" state of the union, but i guess this is the time our nation needs a talk
Nate, according to Blitzer the three oldest Cabinet positions (Treasury, State, and Defense/War) come out first, followed by the next oldest (Interior and Agriculture). But convenient nonetheless.
Do you think any Republican Senators will rise for a "point of order" and contend that Obama is a usurper since he was born in Kenya? (Or maybe he was born in the separate nation of Hawai'i?)
And Jim Bunning can yell out - "Watch out for Justice Ginsberg -- she's gonna croak!"
We need a Blackrod.
[trumpets] Hail to the Chief, he's the chief and he needs hailing...
@Patrick Hamilton, GWB gave a similar address 2/27/2001, an address to Congress that Wikipedia (and others, I'm sure) counts among his SOTUs, but which is not officially such. It notably does not contain a form of the line "The state of our union is strong."
I haven't checked whether tonight's has such a line.
WV: rapta. I am in rapta in anticipation of tonight's speech.
@Pinyan, thanks i knew it had to be something like that... it didnt make sense cause i know they always counted it as a state of the union.
I love the smiles and handshake with
Shelby... the guy who maybe thinks Obama is a Kenyan/Muslim.
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This is great news... for John McCain!
Ummm... I don't get the Penn/Indiana/Omaha thing. Context?
Hey Barack -- tell them that investing in health care is investing in human productivity, and reducing terrible tolls on individual lives.
It's as important as investing in roads and bridges.
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When Obama mentioned "the people in this chamber and across the country who are skeptical of this plan", it was a pure coincidence that the camera gave a long shot of John McCain...right?
Also, someone please take the lemon out of Joementum's mouth.
Nice face, Joe (Joe-CT).
So far the dickhead republicans have stayed seated for college tuition tax credits and the note about CEO pay... its like they want to alienate voters!
Get off the couch!!!
Pelosi is more eager than at any other point to applaud when she is applauding herself.
He just said health care reform :)
There ya go -- "The cost of health care has weighed down our economy and our conscience for too long."
Don't forget GLBT rights, Mr President
Social security reform? I like the throwing the pasta at the wall and seeing what sticks approach. It worked for Polk, .... for one term.
Polk didn't run for a second term. He got his shit done and got out. The way it should be. Polk was a very good president, overlooked by a lot of people.
Not only is this speech more prosaic than poetic, as Nate noted, but delivery of some parts (the pointing finger, the downward look and voice inflection) remind me of Al Gore at his lecturing worst. The difference now is that I think today we're more ready to hear about the scope of our problems and the realistic things that have to happen to solve them than we were in 2000. Poor Al ran for President 8 years too early.
(Please note: I am in no way comparing Obama and Gore as overall speakers. That invokes images of Emeril vs. Chef Boyardee)
My word! He's calls out Sen. Hatch along with his friend Ted Kennedy for praise! Is he trying to turn Utah blue? With Gov. Huntsman coming along, maybe that dream can become reality some day.
John McCain's face at the mention of competitive education was classic!
The congressional mob is getting rowdy.
@DanO: They Might Be Giants gave James K. his due.
Let's save a few $million on those stupid "abstinence education" programs.
DanO,
You can take your Emeril comments and shove them.
I'm glad that "Bam" POS is off the air.
GOP has their butts screwed to their chairs. If they get up at the wrong time, Steele will make sure they never walk again.
The Republicans probably could have left the room about 5 minutes ago and the noise level would be the same.
Simon ... neither did LBJ, do you think it was because he was successful? - I'm joshing ya, I like Polk. I wasn't being facetious.
Exactly so, Statler. Also if he allows photos of flag-draped caskets.
Sean: posting a "preview" that's the exact word-for-word text Pres. Obama is about to say is like that kid watching a movie who blurts out the punchline just before the actual joke. We get it: you have a transcript.
Now for a comment on DADT? Let everyone serve and die!?
I do hope he won't forget about GLBTs like every other President has. I'm beginning to feel like a bride left at the altar
blah blah blah Big Goverment blah
blah blah blah Big Goverment blah
blah blah blah Big Goverment blah
blah blah blah Socialism blah blah
blah blah blah Socialism blah blah
blah blah blah Socialism blah blah.
Is this real? I feel like I'm watching Saturday Night Live.
Hiding war's price refers to the fact that Bush never budgeted the wars. he sought separate appropriations.
Jindal is going to look like a very small and nasty person after this magnanimous speech.
Go Jindal -- marginalize yourself and the party that has defecated on America for way too long!
Killer speech. Outta the park. Just killer.
I'm glad "sourpuss Republican" isn't one of my drinking game categories tonight. Or "standing ovation." It's looking like a Catholic mass in there.
Translation: "It's time to grow up, Goose-egg Obstructionist Party".
Statler- I know sometimes the tone of questions can accidentally come across as smart-ass online. This isn't one- this is a serious question. How should he have worked GLBT into this almost purely economic speech?
This was a truly great speech. He could/should have delivered it on january 20. But now was as good a time as any.
Yes, Statler, he didn't pay back the GLBT community tonight, much to your personal, narcisistic disappointment. While it's important, tonight he was trying to deal with saving the entire country.
Grog - you are truly a small nasty little person. Go back to your basement room and whack off in front of your mirror.
There's NO way Jindal can look like anything but a ridiculous nitwit after that.
Jindal- My fellow Americans, thank you for calling the Republican Party. We are currently expieriencing heavy volume, please be assured your call is important to us and will be answered in the the order it was received...
@DanO: Obama could have worked GLBT into his discussion of service -- whether military or other national service we need and welcome the contributions of all Americans, etc.
FYI, outgoing Presidents have the option of submitting a State of the Union before they leave on 20 Jan. There was a stretch of Presidents that submitted SOTU's in writing on their way out, I think from LBJ to Carter, but I could be off by an administration or two.
You liberals are so blind. Obama has never given a bad speech, I'll give him that. But it doesn't mean Jindal can't compete with Obama's address.
Tonight, America will witness the next President of the United States.
BOBBY JINDAL BABY!!
GEAUX JINDAL!
Are we just waiting on Gov. Jindal to finish throwing up in the bathroom?
Statler, give me a break.
The inauguration wasn't a big enough stage for you? After, as you say, his election?
He's not forgetting "you."
How about you worry about someone other than yourself? And perhaps a bit wider litmus test?
Don't be like that. Be better.
Seriously Statler? The economy's in bad shape and you have your panties in a wad over not getting a shout out? Shoot, us economists basically have to have egg on ours faces
Chill out. He'll get around to your issue once the economy is straightened out. I kinda think jobs and our economic future are more front burner issues right now
Bobby Jindal sounds like a presenter of a local PBS educational film.
I like Bobby Jindal a lot, but his delivery is terrible. Sounds like he's talking to a kindergarten class.
Wow, Jindal is like the Reebok to Obama's Nike
Bobby Jindal sounds like he's reading to a group of children.
Which means he's announcing his 2012 run: Republicans think the electorate are children.
Ohmigod, Jindal is AWFUL.
He sounds like a guest star on Blue's Clues.
Wow. This is hilarious.
Jindal sounds like he's talking to a bunch of 2nd graders.
Statler,
From one gay person to another:
As important as we feel our needs are, and as important as many others feel our needs are -
WE ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE!
Now get off your narcissistic pedestal, and realize that if the economic problems the entire country is going through right now are not solved, no other problems, no matter how important to anyone, will get solved.
I was thinking Jan Hooks from Pee Wee's Big Adventure. "There's no basement in the Alamo!"
I can't believe how condescending and patronizing Jindal is.
Still recovering. That was simply staggering. Arguably the most electryfying speech Obama's delivered since the 2004 Democratic Convention.
I'm not just saying this, but Jindal is bombing big time. Simply awful delivery...He sound like a cartoon character. The fact that I'm even watching it speaks volumes. I've got a huge shit-ating grin on my face.
Completely 100% like Kenneth in 30 Rock.
Wow - three of the first six comments had the same impression. This guy thinks he's Captain Freaking Kangaroo
I think Jindal is speaking really slowly and using those little tiny words because he knows Republicans are watching.
@Simon
"[Jindal] sounds like Kenneth on 30 Rock."
If you know Tina Fey, or if anyone else does, write a script for SNL. This politician needs to be mocked. Hard.
Sean: Jinx! You owe me a Coke!
Jindal: Not ready for prime time.
Nate: you'd better shrink that guy's balloon. He's shriveling up.
Wow, who picked this guy's list of "wasteful" projects? High-speed rail? Oh no! Volcano monitoring? Who the hell wants to have advance knowledge of natural disasters? Certainly not anyone from Louisiana!
Am I supposed to be impressed by his mock folksiness?
Jindal - Hey boys and girls, here's a story I pulled out of my homey soutern ass about how government doesn't work! I am a LEADER. Leader is spelled L-E-A-D-E-R.
I agree on Obama - that was epic - I just got through listening to Audacity of Hope on audiobook, read by Obama. His ability to come across as genuine is unparalleled.
Jindal is awful. And dishonest. What's wrong with buying AMERICAN cars for the government rather than just giving the auto manufacturers money? What's wrong with high speed rail from Las Vegas to Los Angeles (not Disneyland)?
So...after all of these tax cuts, Louisiana's economy is booming, and doesn't need a dime of stimulus money, right?
Um...right?
The cool think about Jindal's plan is that it has absolutely no cost! How much does it cost, Bobby? How to you pay for that education, that health care, etc? Will it cost less than $800 billion (or, as you put it, "less than $1 trillion with interest)?
Second half has been a lot better, but that first five minutes was pitiful....
kenneth the page comparison is dead. on.
Are we sure Gov. Jindal is a Republican? He pronounced "nuclear" correctly.
Jon Stewart has drool streaming down his chin as he listens to this guy.
Mooseburger is now RED HOT favorite to get the nomination. And I'll cut my nuts off if Bobby Jihad gets within pissing distance of the White House.
Goddamn he's bad. Maybe it's the curse of responding to the president.
Then again, Jim Webb was suberb two years ago.
GOP looks for hope under the lilypads in the bayoos.
Palin is already placing calls to do next years response. Gak!
He may have pronounced "nuclear" correctly, but he crossed up his letters. He was supposed to say "unclear."
Justin: Take two places that conservatives feign outrage as cultural cesspools (but secretly can't live without), and allow people to get to one and the other in an hour and a half. Never mind that it's not in the current plans, and that it would pay for itself in a month; it's red meat for talk radio mouthpieces.
Forget what I said, FReeptards. Don't listen to moonbat like me. NOMINATE THIS GUY!!!
I think he's trying to convince the Republican base of his all-American-ness. No question about it - he's 100% American moron.
"Soviet menace!" Take two shots of Stolichnaya!
so does Jindal think the private sector doesn't work, because some idiots want me to fill out a TPS report?
Stupid people work everywhere; get over it.
Rachel Maddow is speechless.
God bless Bobby for ending that speech.
Can you imagine Palin doing this?
They should get Cheney to do it, and turn off the 7-second delay.
I'll give him credit. He referred to the Dems as the Democratic Party. Sincerely, cangratulations, Robert!
Shit, it's absolutely dead at the CNN HQ. AC looks befuddled at Jidad's lamesness.
Did anyone hear Chris Matthews mutter "Oh god" right before Jindal walked to the microphone??
Gregen's being charitable. Questioning the subtance of Jihad's response.
Typical Response from the Democrats..
I came on here and made note Obama doesn't give a bad speech. I then sit and witness a great response from Jindal, and all I see is negativity.
This site has reached new lows...
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=jindal%20kenneth
Statler,
You are a one issue troll. Seriously.
In case you hadn't noticed, New Orleans got destroyed and LA lost alot of jobs this year.
Give it a freaking rest.
Gov. Jindal apparently learned his rhetorical style from watching Mr. Rogers.
@ytown
I'm a fan of Jindal and that speech was pitiful.
"Americans can do anything"? More like: "Americans, you're on your own."
BREAKING!!!!
Barney to deliver the GOP response to the President's 2010 State of the Union address.
@ DA Did anyone hear Chris Matthews mutter "Oh god" right before Jindal walked to the microphone??
I did and busted out laughing.
Bobby Jindal says America Can Do Anything*!
* Anything does not include - National Health Care, High Speed Rail, Monitoring Active Volcanoes and Fault-lines...
Wow, shocking. A bunch of negative comments about Jindal's speaking ability coming from the people who just voted for our current president based on his speaking ability.
Nice to see we've got our priorities together.
Almost a perfect night. Sasha and Malia should have been with the First Lady.
@ytownMetz
Please advise us as to the great drugs you're on. I want to be as dumbly happy as you.
AC "keeping them honest":
The Prez even nailed it on the facts, apparently.
jindal was AWFUL>
it's so funny! i kept saying he sounds like he is reading a fairy story to little kids.
but as a fan of Captain Kangaroo PLEASE dont insult him by comparisons to bobby brady!
Can Fred Armison play Obama and Jindal in the same skit? Can't wait until SNL
BREAKING!!!!
Barney to deliver the GOP response to the President's 2010 State of the Union address.
Baahahahahahahaha. A true party outsider.
Bobby Jindal is in the pocket of Big Kindergarten.
Matthew, Obama's delivery wasn't remarkable, it was the amount of information and subtance he threw at the viewer. O crammed more into an hour than any president in recent memory. Notice how fast he delivered his address? When pundits are arguing over how overly ambitious and optimistic it was, you know he hit it out the park.
Here's a hint to the GOP if you're having your - [snicker, snicker] - rising star to run for President when he appears on camera don't have him mince into the frame like the worst by himself nerd at the High School Prom! I'm serious the guy gave me the creeps with his phony talking down to the poor savages. And I agree with Rachael Maddow to have the Republicans use the Katrina disaster as a sign that government is bad leaves me speechless.
BTW I didn't mean to focus on just the GOP so I just want to give a shout out to President Obama's excellent quasi-State-of-the-Union speech. A job well down. And speaking as a person just laid-off he made me feel like the future is not quite the scary beast that I've felt of late.
I think that Jindal is a smart guy but without the talent of speech delivery. This is a talent that is almost impossible to teach. Something that comes with charisma or something. He just lacks that talent.
I don't care too much about delivery, I care about the content instead. I don't understand how the republicans keep repeating and repeating the same lines over and over (no pun intended here :) Do they actually believe that this is the solution? or they are being dishonest and trying to sell shit by coating it with a lot of sugar? My gut is telling me he is genuine, but my brain is saying otherwise. How can a smart guy like Jindal believe in those old solutions? It just doesn't make sense.
Whoever it was who figured out it was Kenneth that he sounds like, THANK YOU. It was really bothering me that I recognized the speech patterns but couldn't put a name to it.
This will kill him with anyone who has ever watched 30 rock; sorry bobby!
MBA / Registered Republican here. I saw the black guy speak for an hour and I must say that homey was pretty darned good. Then I saw the Indian guy talk for ten minutes, and I gotta tell you, I know now why he was "counseled out" at McKinsey. Wow. Talk about Apu Nahasapeemapetilon meets Goober Pyle. I can assure you, there are at least a thousand Indian guys still at McKinsey smarter than that guy.
I just made up my mind and I am voting for the black guy.
http://cnbcsucks.wordpress.com
I also heard Chris Matthews say "Oh God" when Jindal came out. I can't know his thoughts for why he said that but I think it was the way that Jindal came mincing around the corner to face the camera. If you're going to run for President you need to step up to the podium like you own it not half-step like a scaried little boy! When you put that with talking down to the American people I think has doomed his ever running for that office.
@Rick: "Talk about Apu Nahasapeemapetilon meets Goober Pyle."
Good one!
BTW/ Nate started out at KPMG, so there is life and interesting career after leaving the consulting world.
Dear Bobby Jindal:
I'd like to remind you what party was in charge during Hurricane Katrina. Hint: It was your's. Not only in the White House, but in Congress too! Just FYI.
Kisses,
Joey
Just got home after listening to Jindal on my car radio.I don't know how he came across visaually,but vocally he was absolutely terrible.His speech delivery is extremely irritating,a total turn off
He tastelessly used this opportunity to talk about himself (his childhood,his governorship,etc.) and his father (who gives a damn).It was mostly about HIM,not his party.He used the time for a free personal advertisement.
If the Republican Party had any honesty (which,of course it doesn't) it would be totally embarrassed.How are they going to spin this disaster.
Though he was a little after my time, Mr. Rogers was a genius at speaking to his audience. Ditto Capt. Kangaroo. To compare Jindal to either is a disservice to them.
What's so bad about Jindal's speech was that while there was little to disagree with outright, it did nothing to address Obama's position. Obama never said the job couldn't be done, never proposed vast new bureaucracies, never dismissed the capacity of small business to impact the situation, and didn't propose raising taxes on anyone who can't easily afford to pay them.
Jindal wasn't punching back at Obama. He was punching Obama's shadow. And Jindal's such a lightweight, I think the shadow scored a TKO.
BTW, when Jindal told the story about boaters not being allowed to rescue Katrina victims if they weren't properly insured, the sheriff's anger was jusitified. But where's the fault? The feds? Should there be a law that self-appointed rescuers can neither be sued nor sue anyone for whatever happens after an emergency has been declared? Talk about murky examples!
That's hilarious - after about 5 minutes of his speech, and before I read or heard of the comparison anywhere, I thought - damn, he sounds exactly like Kenneth the Page.
Amazing how half the web came to the same conclusion almost simultaneously.
Matthew,
Let's try this - Jindal's comments on Federal spending make him a lying hypocrite. In addition to massive further hurricane relief he's seeking, he will happily take 2.7 billion in stimulus funds (he's only disputing 3% of the allocation on unemployment) while claiming its horrible. Like many in the GOP, he's misrepresenting the nature and value of projects he's holding up. High speed rail can be a huge benefit (see Japan and Europe)that can realistically only be done with Federal funds. The $300 million for Federal cars are specifically for domestically made hybrids and flexfuel vehicles at a time when we need a push for our auto industry and green economies. Having lived in coastal areas of California, I's personally like to know if earthquakes or eruptions (and the tsunamis, lava flows and destruction they cause) are about to occur. He also lies when he claims there's any sort of GOP plan for healthcare - the core GOP idea is to avoid reform or at most give yet more power to insurance companies.
Oh, and he's speaking to me like I'm either a child or idiot. I immediately reject that tone and makes me even more skeptical of his statements. Ask yourself, when was the last time a successful Presidential candidate sounded like that? It doesn't work.
As a speech, it simply was not ready for primetime. It also hurts by being up against one of the very best political orators of our generation. I'm sure he can do better when he's actually being genuine and not the fall guy for his party. In fact, the only moment where he sounded good was when he was touting his own efforts to introduce reform in Louisiana. If he can be that guy, and not just generic GOP candidate, maybe he'll be back.
Statler and anyone else that can't find the video:
I spent forever trying to find it and Washington Post has it, but it kept effing up after it played the ad, so I got embedded the video on my blog and for some reason that works. nicksandersucks.blogspot.
Kenneth the Page facebook group:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=53556541031
Kenneth saved his political career tonight. I swear, he almost tripped over the carpet while mincing towards the camera.
Nate, this is regarding your off-handed comment about ag subsidies. Read this (I think Obama has) -- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html?scp=1&sq=michael%20pollen%20food&st=cse
Ag subsidies affect so much more than Iowa! Fixing ag subsidies (and, thereby, ag policies) would go a long way toward making the nation healthier and safer.
If I'm Charlie Crist or Olympia Snowe, I'm seriously considering switching parties.
Jindal looked like an idiot. Just more of the Same Old GOP Shit.
Their newest whine is "mortgaging our children's future"--where were any of them when GWB was running the deficit up five times worse? Sitting on their hands.
Plus, the goofy folksy approach Jindal tried to adopt fell flat.
I'm so relieved not to see Cheney's fascist war-criminal pig ass in the background that I can hardly bring myself to criticize Nancy Pelosi at a time like this, but...
Could she maybe floss before going on camera? She spends half of her time fooling around with something like maybe a poppy seed between her teeth, and making facial gestures that she doesn't realize she's making. It's damn annoying when Obama's making a brilliant speech.
Biden's a model of self control by comparison with Pelosi. He could use some tooth-darkening, but at least he isn't grimacing all the time.
Cheney had it easy. All he had to do is power down to standby mode and make sure nobody saw the pulsing green light on the back of his neck.
The comments Jindal made about the political party in control at the time of Katrina bugged me until I realized he's not used to speaking to a national audience.
His references to Katrina shows that he thought he was speaking to Louisianans, and if he can't figure out who the audience is when he's speaking, and he's speaking for the GOOPers to a national audience, then the GOOPers are in much deeper doo-doo than I thought (and I thought it was at least a mile deep to begin with!).
Stat:
If the goal is attaining true equality for all, including (but not exclusive to) the GLBT community, why don't be display a single minded focus on ACHIEVING this goal. Although it might make you feel better to get a shout out in every Obama speech, does that shout out bring us closer to equality? Maybe yes, maybe no. Why don't we (anyone who supports equal rights for all Americans) focus on effectuating this end through legislative and judicial means. I don't think blindly repeating mere rhetoric (sounds GOPish, doesn't it?) necessarily brings us closer. Maybe Obama is withholding your "shout out" until he has the votes (or appointments) to make it HAPPEN. Everyday, archaic obstructionists die. Everyday, open-minded young Americans reach voting age. Time is on our side. But I do feel your pain buddy. You don't have the same rights I do, and it’s absolutely wrong on every level.
This is what I'm afraid of: In 1986, the good people at LAMBDA law misjudged political realities and got Bowers v. Hardwick before the SCOTUS. The time was not right, resulting in a 5-4 decision which set Equal Rights back two decades. This travesty was not corrected until 2003 (in Lawrence v. Texas). We have to THINK about strategy. Blindly rushing to do the right thing can be counterproductive. If we reach, we loose. I want you to have equal protection before the law ASAP. Let’s strategize on the most effective means for achieving this end. Maybe getting a shout out in every Obama speech doesn't bring us any closer to our goal.
"If I'm Charlie Crist or Olympia Snowe, I'm seriously considering switching parties."
Lieberman-for-Snowe. C'mon, Joe, just make it official.
The true face of the Republican Party is Mitch McConnell.
No Deep South Republican is going to get behind Bobby Jindal, especially after his pointed remarks that his parents were only barely on American soil before he was born. Them white-sheeters don't want no truck with no damn ferriners.
The Democrats need to keep harping on the Republican governors who are flashily repudiating the Federal dollars that have been allocated to them in the stimulus package. Harp on it now, harp on when the unemployment in those states rockets to well above 10%, harp on it when the poverty index soars through the roof.
Make everybody see what cutting off one's nose to spite one's face looks like.
opyrosin: Sheriff Taylor's boy has some on the pitcher's mound...
The whole Katrina story about the Sheriff and the boats. (CNN has the transcript up if you didn't see the speech.)
- WHAT THE FUCK? Do you know who was in charge of the government when Katrina struck? Do you know who those bureaucrats worked for who told the rescue boats not to go out looking for people on the rooftops? THEY WERE REPUBLICANS, PART OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. And now you're saying that because bureaucrats were bad after Katrina, we shouldn't increase their ranks and give the Obama administration a chance to fix things? Something just doesn't add up here, and it's the number of brain cells in your head to a number greater that 4 if you think the American people are going to buy this argument. Katrina was a fuck-up because George W. Bush and his FEMA appointee were fuck-ups. End of discussion. You cannot use one useless administration to illustrate your claim that all bureaucracy is bad. Logic FAIL.
No one will remember Jindal's speech by 2010.
He said what he had to - Obama's approach shows his hope and faith in government. The Republican approach shows our faith in you to spend your own money.
He's 100% wrong in my opinion, but that was the Republican response and he gave it. I don't think he'll be the Republican nominee, but not because of this speech. I just can't see what successful contrast with Obama he's likely to draw. As a kind of "me too" candidate running against a sitting president - it just doesn't work. (Fred Smith, Bill Gates, Carly Fiorina, some one like that seems much more likely. Though Fiorina does not wear well, and Gates may not be Republican enough.)
I have to confess, I would hate to be a Republican strategist about now.
A STAR IS BORN!
Bobby Jindal is perfect as the new face of the Republican Party!
I don't understand why all of you are dissing him. The Republican Party needs to embrace him now that it is coming to its senses and realizing all those losses came from not being conservative enough, anti-gay enough, anti-choice enough, anti-atheists enough, anti-government enough.
Go Republicans! You can do it. Jindal/Mrs. Jindal for 2012. (Second choice: Jindal/Palin.)
STepper
Maybe a little rebranding is in order while the R's are at it.
I think the Hypocrat Party has a ring to it. We need a return to Hypocracy asap.
I wonder if Mr. Steele is now going to support punishing repubs who applauded Obama during his speech.
And Palin will never run second fiddle on the Pres/VP ticket. If you ask her, she should've been at the top of the ticket in '08! After all, she was the brains on that ticket and the one who really got the base excited. That's all you need, right? Fire up the base?
@ Taft: We need a return to Hypocracy asap.
Or Idiocracy. Oh wait, Mike Judge got there first.
So how was it watching the death of a rising political career? The speech was (mostly) well written and said what it needed to, but the delivery was laughable. America is tired of politicians who talk to them like they're children (even if they sometimes act like children).
Call it superficial if you want, but part of being a politician is being able to effectively convey your message in a way that people can connect with. I can't speak for everyone else, but I can't connect with being talked to as if I'm six years old.
Without some serious redemption (and speech classes) Jindal has absolutely no chance in 2012.
SNL is going to *rock* this week. I say they should just book Jack McBrayer and let him read the whole thing, start to finish, with all the emphases and hand gestures conserved. He'll kill.
@ Sean: "Nihilism."
Are these the Nazis, Walter?
No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of.
This naked aggression will not stand, man.
Forget it, Bobby, you're out of your element!!
Jindal was unlistenable!
Obama gave a good speech, but his whole presidency requires recovery and I have yet to see a banking plan that works.
"Also, I wonder if anyone messes with Joe Biden."
I bet Mrs Biden does. =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ETLO_e-D6o
I am late to the party, but @ Nate's 9:05 remark about Geithner and Clinton in the same frame -- it was a coincidence... the Cabinet were seated in the order of succession to the Presidency.
Holy moses. When Obama brings it, he BRINGS it.
Reponse? There was no contest.
This was the Obama we were looking for when we elected him back in November. The new Great Communicator. The Inspirer In Chief. The Big Ideas guy.
That was a drop-dead incredible speech that put the Republicans in an even tighter corner than they've already backed themselves into. Obama very smoothly linked his priorities of energy, health care, and education to our economic recovery. Every potential GOP talking point he either strangled in the cradle, or turned to his advantage.
Really, I did debate for one of the best collegiate teams in the country, and then coached a little more... and DAMN this speech had me jumping up and pumping my fists... he just NAILED it. This is now the Obama era.
(now if only Geithner would get on board. Is it just me or did he look incredibly uncomfortable throughout the whole thing, especially the talk about the need for banking reform and regulation? bonehead pick for for TS, Barack. But after that speech, I can almost forgive it!)
Imagine if we had "live bloggers" during Bill Clinton's disastrous speech at the 1988 Democratic National Convention. He loudest applause line was "in conclusion" and the pundits basically said that the rising political career of the young governor from Arkansas ended that night...
I thought Obama did what he does, give a great speech that connects with both the historical moment and the audience.
Jindal was never going to hit it out of the ball park after that, sort of like asking a rookie to QB for the Detroit Lions on MNF the day after, say, Tom Brady has passed for 350 yards for the Patriots on SNF. But he was bad. The list of 'pork' he gave from the Stimulus Bill was just mad, everyone of those had me thinking, well thats what government does- US Car industry is struggling- US government buys a job lot of cars, thats pure stimulus. The trainline thing- well that will take tourists to and fro between two holiday spots relatively cheaply, and well everyone has pointed out the stupidness of th Governor of Louisiana being against Natural Disaster monitoring. And I thought his anecdote about Katrina had more to do with the importance of government and having a do something Democrat in charge of the situation, than his intended point about government bureaucracy. Badly judged speech. (Both Palin and Jindal failed to deliver the big speech when given the moment ot try to replicate the Obama Boston 2004 speech, kind of makes you worry if this is the new blood in the GOP.)
Style points aside, Jindal's speech was indeed representative of the current incarnation of the Republican Party: Intellectually dishonest, ideologically bankrupt, disrespectful of science, and masked in a folksy disingenuousness that is designed to make the small-minded among us think that they're really looking out for the average American.
In far less words: disconnected from reality and full of shit.
@Matt: "Ummm... I don't get the Penn/Indiana/Omaha thing. Context?"
Nate's only misses on the Presidential race were Indiana and the Omaha district of Nebraska (both predicted as slightly for McCain, turned out slightly for Obama). Sean was asking which of the two Nate misses on the Oscar predictions should be compared to which of his two misses last November.
On Chris Mathews' "Oh God" outburst, I believe that was because a draft of Jindal's speech had been made available to the press ahead of time, and Mathews had taken time to read through it.
THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!! FOR JOE WURZELBACHER!!!!
Jindall does bear a striking resemblance to a certain character on 30 Rock...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SSAgoxd-QQ
"And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it"
Ummm...didn't Germany invent the automobile?
LONG LIVE PRESIDENT OBAMA!
Obama is a racial-minority individual and does not like racism:
There is bad news about George Herbert Walker Bush.
What if basically all racial-minority people would subscribe to the interpretations that George Herbert Walker Bush committed monstrous, racist, hate crimes while he was the President of the United States?
It will eventually come out: it is only a matter of time.
Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang, J.D. Candidate
B.S., With the Highest Level of Academic Honors at Graduation, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
(I can type 90 words per minute, and there are thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post. And there are thousands of copies in very many countries around the world.)
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