The jungle primary isn't just for Louisiana anymore.
In fact, it isn't for Louisiana at all, which has phased out the system for federal races. But the practice was recently adopted by Washington State. And if a State Senator from San Luis Obispo gets his way, it might be implemented in California, which will vote on a ballot measure on the jungle primary in 2010.
So what, you're probably asking, is a jungle primary? And what does all of this have to do with Joe Lieberman?
A jungle primary -- political scientists prefer the term "nonpartisan blanket primary" -- is one in which all candidates from all parties appear together on the same primary ballot. The top two finishers, regardless of party, then advance to a run-off election, which is held at the usual date in November. (In some iterations, although not California's, this second step can be circumvented if one candidate receives an outright majority of the vote on her first try).
One of the obvious, if often ofterlooked reasons that our government tends to be so partisan is because of the primary system. The optimum ideological position to hold in order to win one's primary is quite a bit different from the theoretically optimal one for the general election -- quite a bit left of the median voter if you're a Democrat, and quite a bit to the right if you're a Republican.
We can give life to this result, if we like, by means of a simple simulation. Suppose that the voters in a state are arranged from 1 to 100, with 1 representing the most liberal voter and 100 the most conservative one. The distribution of voters, we will assume, is spread evenly throughout this spectrum. We will also assume that the state is somewhat asymmetrical in its partisan orientation -- as is California toward the Democrats. Voters 1 through 60 are Democrats, and 61 through 100 are Republicans.
Suppose that two candidates are nominated from each party, with each party holding a closed primary. The candidates are selected randomly from within some point in their party's ideological space. We then assign each voter to find her best ideological match. If there's a liberal Democrat at space 10 and a conservative one at space 50, we assume that the voter at space 20 will pick the candidate at 10, who is slightly closer to her ideological preferences. Then, we pit the winner of each primary off of one another, with the entire state undergoing the same exercise.
If we simulate this process thousands of times, and assign the winning candidate from each simulation to her space on the ideological spectrum, we get a result that looks like this:
That is, we get sort of a camel hump distribution, with one hump peaking just slightly to the right of the median Democratic voter, and the other just slightly to the left of the median Republican. There's almost no hope for candidates on the ideological extremes -- they'll have a lot of trouble winning the general election, unless the other party nominates a candidate who is even more extreme. But ironically, life is also not so good for candidates in the middle. A centrist Democrat will usually be defeated by a more liberal one in her primary, likewise, a centrist Republican is vulnerable to being primaried by a conservative.
This happens to give a nice little bonus, by the way, to whichever party happens to occupy the majority of the electorate. This is because the median voter in the majority party's ideological space will be closer to the center of her state's electorate than the median voter amongst the minority party. Therefore, the majority party will tend to nominate a candidate who is more acceptable to the state as a whole; in our simulation, for instance, a party with roughly a 60/40 advantage in voter affiliation will wind up winning the general election almost 75 percent of the time. If the minority party is not careful, in fact, it may go into a death spiral, nominating ever-more extreme candidates thanks to the primary process and alienating the voters in the middle that it is supposed to be appealing to.
But now suppose instead that the state holds a jungle primary. Four candidates are picked at random throughout the ideological space (from 1 to 100), without regard to party; each voter then picks the one alternative closest to her. The top two candidates advance to the run-off, and the voters pick again. The distribution of winners using that process looks more like this:
This is not quite a bell curve -- it's more like a bell curve with a buzzcut -- but the salient feature is that it's now all about the candidates in the middle of the political spectrum, the very candidates who were having trouble winning their partisan primaries before. If every state had a jungle primary, we'd have a Senate full of Susan Collinses -- and Joe Liebermans. (Or think of all the weird candidates that tend to come out of Louisiana -- very conservative Democrats like Mary Landrieu and very moderate Republicans like Joseph Cao).
This jungle primary also turns out not to be quite as favorable of an outcome to the majority party; a Democratic candidate won about 70 percent of the simulations using the jungle primary versus 75 percent under the traditional system. Moreover, the Democrats who did win tended on average to be more conservative (although the Republican winners were likewise more moderate). It's not a surprise, then, that the legislator who was pushing this proposal in California was Abel Maldonado, a Republican.
The jungle primary system does theoretically benefit the voter: a random voter in a random election will, on the average, wind up with a candidate slightly closer to her ideological preferences under the jungle system than she would have under partisan primaries.
But the measure, I'd guess, will not pass in 2010. The California Democratic Party has ample reason to oppose it. And some Republican higher-ups might come out in opposition too, since the jungle system tends to reduce the importance of parties, period. Partisans like parties: there's something they can actually agree upon. And here's something else: nobody wants to live in the land of a thousand Liebermans.
2.20.2009
Land of a Thousand Liebermans
by Nate Silver @ 8:32 AM...see also california, jungle primaries, lieberman, louisiana, median voter theorem, meta, political spectrum, primaries, washington
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As long as the New York Post doesn't call it the jungle primary, we're good.
Suppose there are multiple candidates in the middle and one extreme candidate. Isn't the extreme candidate likely to win, due to the multiple moderates dividing up the middle of the voting spectrum?
In Massachusetts, anyone registered "independent" can vote in any party's primary. Given (as appears to be the case) that the independents really are the moderates, wouldn't this tend to drive both party primaries toward the middle, while reducing the problem of splitting the middle when there are multiple candidates?
This model assumes that (a) candidates and voters each have a single identifiable and unchanging score on an ideology spectrum from left to right, and (2) voters prefer to vote for candidates that are, in some ontological sense, near them on that scale.
I think both of those are very questionable assumptions.
Thanks,
-V.
Aranfell,
Under that scenario, the extreme candidate would probably rack up a plurality of the vote in the jungle primary. But one of the moderate candidates would survive and get the second slot, and would probably win going away in the run-off. See for example the French presidential election in 2002.
Vardibidian,
Fair enough -- it's a generalized case, and there are probably about a dozen contingencies in addition to the ones you mentioned that make real life more complicated. But it's a generalized case that squares with our common sense, which IMO makes it somewhat more valuable.
I went to a public hearing on the blanket primary in King County, WA in 2000, with my college professor at the time, who was a Republican county chairman. He vehemently opposed it and gave a pretty rousing speech. Parties have the right to choose their own candidates, he argued, and democrats shouldn't be voting for republicans and vice-versa. In retrospect, based on the viewpoint of the CA congressman in this post, my prof's stance was ideologically-pure but not necessarily pragmatic, as the GOP takes a serious ass-whooping every other November in Western WA and will only benefit by nominating more moderate candidates.
Lieberman isn't a moderate, he is insane!
Someone isn't a moderate if he is liberal on most measures and insanely far right on the one issue, and then let's that one issue override all other thoughts.
Lieberman has taken a position on Iraq that is to the right of many Republicans. He sold out his own party due to his Capt. Ahab obsession with Iraq. He went to Iraq as a prop for McCain.
Moderates are people like John Murtha, John Warner and Gerald Ford. They are not ideological eclectics who let their passion for one absurd idea trump their reason and betray their voters, especially when their voters are adamantly opposed to their prime interest.
Nate's comment that the "jungle primary" is bad for parties, period, is well taken. Here in Washington State virtually all parties opposed the so-called "Louisiana Primary."
It's worth noting, by the way, that it came about as an alternative to the state's previous "open primary" that was tossed out in the courts as a result of objections of the two major parties, as well.
All in all, the lesson for political parties is "be careful what you wish for."
The open/jungle primary led to the infamous David Duke v. Edwin Edwards election in Louisiana. Duke got just over a third of the vote in the primary due to his appeal to the racist voters. But that was also his ceiling. Edwards got just over a third due to his deep rooted political machine. But that was also his ceiling. Buddy Romer, who was the moderate in this situation and who was not really loved or hated, ended up with just under a third of the vote and on the outside of the runoff.
Romer would have destroyed either Edwards or Duke in a runoff. But, the jungle primary kept him from having that chance.
Indeed, I would love it if Nate took the wayback machine and looked at the Duke/Edwards/Romer race vis a vis the benefits and pitfalls of the jungle primary.
I think the key is not just a "jungle primary", but rather to have "ranked voting". In this, you do not vote for a single candidate, but rather, you vote for them in order of preference. (FYI, this is how the Hugo awards are voted upon.) When the votes are counted, you start by counting all the top preferences. If no one gets a majority, you throw out the person who got the least. Anyone who voted for that person now gets their second preference counted towards the totals. This goes on until one person has a majority. So in a system like this, you get to say who would like if your top choice(s) lose, and thus avoid the "split electorate" syndrome, and also almost guarantees that the winner has the most support of all the candidates.
I have three problems with this analysis. The first problem I'd have is that it assumes a highly involved public. It requires people to know not only exactly where they are on the liberal-conservative scale, but also exactly where each candidate is (at least the ones near their position). This is a nice ideal, but in reality people just vote in primaries based on pretty weak information.
The second problem is that of candidate saturation- If ten candidates run in CA, and an extreemist (left or right) takes spot number 1 in the primary, lets say a moderate R and moderate D come in very close 2-3 (either order) with 7 other candidates taking up the slack (probably lots of left-center in CA). I believe we'd have a MN type recount every time this situation arises because that 2nd place would likely win in the general. In a closed primary the loser knows that their party still has a shot at winning the general.
Finally, I'd point to the only "jungle"-type election CA has had (the Governator's win) as evidence that CA is needs its party structure to find quality candidates. When dozens of Californians are on the ballot, actors and porn stars with high name recognition get absurdly large chuncks of votes.
Wow, I never thought about this. I love this idea. Can we do it in the Presidential somehow?
Much of Latin America uses this format for their presidential races. It's wonderful.
Nobody wants to live in a land of 1,000 Liebermans because the guy's an idiot, not because it would limit political parties. The latter is a noble goal.
I like partisanship. I like having parties that offer alternatives to each other. How quickly everyone forgets the 2000 election, when all were moaning about the "fact" that there was no difference between Bush and Gore.
Nate -
Thanks for another of the type of thoughtful and analytical posts of yours that keep me coming back to your site. I was wondering if this site would stay relevant, and have been surprised to find it has stayed one of my daily "checking the news" stops.
Great Work!
On the question of electoral innovation in the U.S., does anyone know whether the Democratic Party intends to keep the proportional voting system that it used in the 2008 presidential primaries?
I would guess that had the "old" plurality winner take all system been maintained (as it was in the Republican primaries) Clinton would have been nominated.
I also think the PR system helped Obama a lot during the general election because he forged local grassroots organizations in a great many congressional districts instead of focusing just on state-wide organization and media.
I'd hate to see that "Democratic" advantage disappear next time.
My web game (at www.particracy.net) uses mechanics much like those you describe. Dividing up virtual votes is not as trivial as it seems :-)
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Wow. This ex-Communist, ex-member of the KGB is warning us against socialism. That is very alarming.
I believe this is similar to how the Oscar nominations are tallied, although they pick 5 and this method can lead to trouble in that scenario.
Zhiroc said...
I think the key is not just a "jungle primary", but rather to have "ranked voting". In this, you do not vote for a single candidate, but rather, you vote for them in order of preference. (FYI, this is how the Hugo awards are voted upon.) When the votes are counted, you start by counting all the top preferences. If no one gets a majority, you throw out the person who got the least. Anyone who voted for that person now gets their second preference counted towards the totals. This goes on until one person has a majority. So in a system like this, you get to say who would like if your top choice(s) lose, and thus avoid the "split electorate" syndrome, and also almost guarantees that the winner has the most support of all the candidates.
"The jungle primary system does theoretically benefit the voter: a random voter in a random election will, on the average, wind up with a candidate slightly closer to her ideological preferences under the jungle system than she would have under partisan primaries."
That one paragraph summarizes why I am in favor of a "jungle primary". As Newsweek pointed out in this week's issue on this very subject, we here in Utah through out a conservative Chris Cannon for an ultra-conservative Jason Chaffetz. The partisanship in Washington breeds on the current system, and I think a jungle primary would bring politics more to the center, where the majority of voters are.
Nate,
Thanks for the response. I didn't mean to say the whole analysis was worthless, but I do think that the two assumptions are important to get out there.
Also of course the non-partisan primary tends to weaken the parties (or is intended to, anyway, and likely does although I'd have to see actual evidence to be persuaded), which would in theory diminish their persuasive power to move people to their positions. Although, again, that assumes that people are somehow naturally 'moderate' on a left-right scale and the parties push them to the sides...
Perhaps it's a better model to say that a non-partisan primary with a runoff is more likely to select people with weaker ties to the party structures, and who are therefore more likely to cross party lines regardless of lib-con score, and that such people (like Sens McCain and Lieberman) are likely to be viewed as moderates, whatever their ideology.
Thanks,
-V.
The jungle primary is a blow to the two-party system; therefore, I heartily endorse it.
Sure, it may yield a few of the likes of Joe Lieberman - eeeewwwww - but not every centrist politician is a Lieberman. Avigdor Lieberman in Israel is proof that not every Lieberman is a centrist, either.
There is no reason for this to be theoretical. There is actual data, in Louisiana and Washington, and none of it, in practice, points to more moderate candidates coming out of a jungle primary. You're perpetuating a myth.
Case in Point #1: David Duke v. Edwin Edwards
Case in Point #2: David Vitter
Please run the numbers and tell the truth.
"--nobody wants to live in the land of a thousand Liebermans.--"
I don't have a problem with Joe Lieberman in theory. Just because you inhabit the middle of the ideological spectrum doesn't mean you'll become the lap dog of the acting administration.
Lieberman won his election largely by his incumbant benefits. I mean, he had multiple Senators - Obama, Clinton, Schumer - lining up to support him. If Lamont had been the incumbat, I don't think Lieberman would have won.
All you're measuring here is how voters identify the candidates. If a candidate runs down the middle but governs far to the left or the right, then this scale doesn't demonstrate the likelyhood of a radical getting into office at all. It just demonstrates how people will view their elected delegates.
We might see a different political styling - less "Zomg! Socialists everywhere!" and more "Compassionate Conservative" from the right, less full blown anti-war and more generic good government policy on the left - but I don't know if the politicans themselves will actually change.
While I'm not sure we'd want to live in a land of a thousand Liebermans, I'm reasonably sure that living in a land of people with the capacity and incentive to listen to all sides of an argument would be a tremendous benefit.
Sign me up!
QT
It's still surprising to me that Washington State ended up with the Jungle Primary. It seems like most politicians hate it. The party apparatchiks clearly hate it. It doesn't seem overly popular with the electorate. For some reason, newspaper editorialists love it, so I guess their support made the difference.
But the only two dailies in Washington worth reading will soon go broke, and with them their editorial policies, so maybe in future Washington will have a primary system that is less idiotic.
I hope California has more sense than to follow our trail on this one.
Oh, in addition to the Jungle Primary, Washington also has a caucus for president. So you get to vote for a presidential primary candidate twice. If you're a Republican, both votes count, at least a little. If you're a Democrat, the second vote is a beauty contest. So you can caucus for a D candidate, change your registration, and vote in the primary for an R candidate, and have both votes count. How cool is that?
No wait, not cool, the other thing. Stupid. That's it.
Um, my previous message was misleading. You don't actually register for party in Washington, so there's no registration to change per se. You have to represent your party affiliation at both a caucus and primary, but there is no registration.
The problem I see with a "jungle primary" is the potential for effects on candidates' decisions to enter (or not enter) the race to begin with.
For example, there are often a lot of majority-party candidates in a primary to succeed a retiring incumbent from that party. In a "jungle primary", each additional entry runs a risk of splitting the vote, to the point that one or two candidates from the minority party may have an advantage against five or six candidates from the majority party.
This discourages a party from having multiple strong candidates, and in effect encourages "back-room" decision-making to designate one "lead" candidate from the party.
I prefer having more options in party primaries to having fewer options in a "jungle primary".
dday-
Please tell the truth - David Vitter and David Duke are moderates in LA. LA is, well, not quite average.
dday and others, Nate did run the numbers - that's what this whole post is based on.
the numbers don't rule out extremists emerging - as Nate's graph shows. but the numbers suggest that Duke/Edwards cases wil be the exception to the norm, not the norm. and of course Edwards, the less extreme candidate to make the run-off, won that race.
The biggest issue I see is that I don't think there is a uniform distribution of ideology. I would believe that somebody at the 40% percentile would be closer in ideology to 10% than to 70%, and you'd probably have clumps.
Second, this also assumes that selfish ideology is the only factor in voting for someone. In Nebraska, Ben Nelson is a quite conservative democrat, but the ultra-liberals would still vote for him in the primary because he's the one who has a shot in the general. It seems to me almost like a game of chicken between the two parties. They wager a bet to see how liberal/conservative a person they can get away with.
With the 60-40 distribution. mentioned above, if they just go for the person in the middle, it comes out 30 vs 80 and 30 wins every time. But if the republicans collectively decide to nominate someone closer to the middle in order to have a better shot at winning, they can go for someone at 65. He'd still be a republican, but he'd be closer to the center than the democrats' 30.
Is there any state legislation pending to consider instant run-off voting?
It seems like this would give the most representative result.
Thanks...
The final numbers are only as good as the model used. A model can always be refined and improved.
I think that any state, or country, would be better off with a system of proportional representation.
Suppose Florida had run a jungle primary for president in 2000. Would this mean that Nader would not have taken away precious votes from Gore, and that pensioners confused by a large ballot would not have voted for Buchanan by mistake?
I'd suspect that while this idea could weaken party strength, it could have just the opposite effect if parties really clamped down on who they supported in the primary. If the Democrats or Republicans decided they'd only have 1 "official" candidate in the primary, for example, to boost the odds of that person getting into the runoff, you are back to having much more extreme candidates emerging because of the need to get the support of the party loyalists/powers that be. Getting on the party slate would be much more important than campaigning as a moderate.
Indianapolis/Marion County has something like this on local judges. There are something like 17 judicial slots up in every election (may be higher by now) in a theoretically open, "jungle" type election, with the top 17 vote getters winning. However, the parties by agreement only slate 9 candidates each, all but ensuring a 9-8 split one way or the other (subject to some independent actually succeeding, which never seems to happen). The whole race is to get on the slate and do better than at least one of your co-slated judges. It really doesn't encourage moderation or openness. Then again, judicial elections are such a weird beast to begin with that its hard to extrapolate anything.
"-- This discourages a party from having multiple strong candidates, and in effect encourages "back-room" decision-making to designate one "lead" candidate from the party. --"
Nonsense. You don't think there are massive back room dealings to decide who gets into a party primary? You must be joking.
Take a look at the Texas Governor's race. You had virtually no primary because Perry basically owned the statewide process. I would have loved to see a jungle primary down here. The majority of the voters hated Perry, but he got 37%(?) of the vote which was enough for him to hold office. I would have loved to see what would have happened in a run off against Bell, Strayhorn, or even Friedman. My bet is that he'd have been run out, no problem.
For anyone interested in jungle primaries and some of the quirks of our voting system, I highly recommend reading William Poundstone's Gaming the Vote: Why Elections Aren't Fair. He has a great chapter on the David Duke/Edwin Edwards primary and another really interesting chapter about how major parties fund third party candidates (think Republicans funding the Nader campaign) or more ideological candidates in order to split the vote of the other party. There's some game theory and social choice theory in the book but it's not aimed at specialists. In fact, he's probably got the best explanation of Arrow's theorem I've seen in any source, specialist or not.
Nate - I'd love it if you someday took a look at the "Range Voting" advocated by Poundstone. It seems to me that this system also could be manipulated, albeit in more subtle ways than our existing system.
To echo what a few commenters said above, Louisiana's blanket primary elections -- particularly Gubernatorial elections, which tend to have lots of candidates (10+) -- frequently yield quite extreme finalists in the runoff (general) election.
The idea is that the more extreme established candidates have strong, cohesive bases, which allow them to get the 20% or so that they need to advance out of the primary.
In a place like Louisiana -- given its racially polarized political culture which also lends itself to bloc voting, the blanket primary also tends to polarize the electorate along racial lines.
See Duke vs. Edwards in '91, Foster vs. Cleo Fields in '95, Foster vs. Jefferson in '99. Admittedly, 2003 bucked this trend as Blanco was probably the most centrally positioned candidate in the race -- this is probably because there were several Dems actively vying for the African-American vote, thus beating each other up on the left.
Yet another negative aspect of Louisiana's system is that by de-emphasizing party affiliation (and ideology, by proxy), individual personalities and key interest groups take on more importance. Think back-room deals, unholy strategic alliances (conservatives secretly funding longshot liberal minority candidates to siphon off votes from more viable Democrats), etc. Trust me, it ain't pretty.
Samuli - the general price for proportional representation is coalition governments, which is not something the US would adapt to easily. If you think having to woo 3 moderate Republicans to get the stimulus passed was ugly, look at what Israel is going to have in its next government - an ultranationalist minority dictating who gets to be prime minister because the overwhelming majority of the country split almost evenly.
Here, it would be like Nader in 2000 or Perot in 1992 getting to decide who the President was, and demanding concessions to do so. Thanks, but no thanks. I know proportional representation has helped the Green party emerge as a force in Europe, among other successes, but I like to think my executive officer is at least trying to represent the views of the largest group of the people, not the most radical ones necessary to keep the coalition together.
This country has a party duopoly that is widely assumed to be cultural but is almost entirely structural. The first determinant is the prevelance of simple "first past the post" general elections, in which the plurality candidate wins with no runoff. This punishes third party candidates, who rarely win and tend to damage the major party candidate closer to their views. The second is dvision of elected government into an executive and two separate legislative houses. This makes it nearly impossible for a third party to gain the balance of power strongly enough to force a coalition, as can happen in parliamentary systems. The "jungle" primary is potentially revolutionary because, by limiting general elections to two candidates, it eliminates non-majority winners. This liberating for third parties, and could over time change the system.
Washington (state) voters loved the open primary, by a very wide majority. After the parties sued to close the primaries, the voters rejected them and only came up with the LA primary as a last resort. Voters here (I'm in Spokane, WA, on the East side of the state) tend to view parties with a high degree of skepticism, and those without strong party affiliation make up a plurality.
Pushing political debate to the center allows for more rational discussion of issues instead of knee jerk reactions to very complicated topics.
The right individual voters to vote in an open primary should trump the right of parties to associate and shut individual voters out. Until the courts agree, however, the LA primary is as close as we can get.
Also a funny side note, a quirk of Washington's LA style primary is that each candidate is allowed to declare their party affiliation in any way they chose. A Dem could call themselves a Rep, and the Rep party can not have the designation changed on the ballot. This is how Dino Rossi ran with a party affiliation listed as "GOP" instead of "Republican" in our last gubernatorial race. It polled better. So Washington has a LA style primary where parties don't get to chose the party affiliations.
Be careful what you wish for indeed.
"But the measure, I'd guess, will not pass in 2010."
I think the measure would have a good chance of passing. The voters in CA passed an open primary prop a few years ago even though the parties opposed it. It was tossed by the courts.
There are also a significant number of Decline to State voters in CA and they would likely be in favor of the jungle primary. Further since they are not members of either party it would be harder for the parties to convince them to oppose it.
Not the type to put fig leaves in front of my mouth anyway, but...
the idea of a jungle primary is just about the most stupid god-damned thing I have ever heard of.
Why not just have the main election on that day as well?!?
I take that back: the jungle primary is the 2nd most stupid thing I have ever heard of, right behind the current course that the GOP is taking in 2009.
Speaking of third parties, it seems to me that having an open primary system like this makes it nearly impossible for a third party to get off the ground. I understand that third parties aren't particularly successful in this country, but if we were interested in changing that, I should think this sort of system would stand in the way. If a new party is to offer any kind of meaningful alternative, it must have the ability to gather its members and select a nominee based on that party's beliefs and platform. If the Green party wanted to field a gubernatorial candidate, for example, I imagine they would find their (now open) primary beset by individuals from other parties seeking to maximize their own political utility by nominating someone who is more likely to split the vote with their opponent (i.e. the closer the Green candidate is to the Democrat - or Libertarian to the Republican - the more likely they will find their voting block effectively split.)
"Nobody wants to live in the land of a thousand Liebermans." is the best argument you could come up with?
Against this, "The jungle primary system does theoretically benefit the voter: a random voter in a random election will, on the average, wind up with a candidate slightly closer to her ideological preferences under the jungle system than she would have under partisan primaries."
You seem to be arguing against the "jungle" primary, yet I still see the stronger case being made for it. Perhaps this is just my biased going in position but you did nothing to convince me otherwise. It is as I suspected, partisan rancor is fed by the current primary system and the political posturing that it rewards.
Nate, I love your work and I read it daily. I've never felt compelled to comment here before, but we seem to have divergent views on this issue. I'm in favor of this type of modified primary system because I feel it would give more people more representative representation in DC. We need to quit pandering to extremists and figure out a way to get this system back on track.
In a normal state, the majority party might prefer the camel hump distribution of closed primaries, when all you need is a majority to get things done. However, given California's 2/3 majority requirement for passing a budget or raising taxes, I think a different goal is appropriate.
The goal (for the Democrats) should be for the 33% percentile on the liberal-conservative scale to be as liberal as possible, thus allowing for the most liberal budget to pass. It seems plausible to me that a jungle primary will be better for the democrats by that metric.
And on a related non-partisan note, it seems like the camel hump distribution has been particularly bad at passing any budget at all. That problem might disappear if there was more normal distribution.
Nate, your simulations and models are usually spot-on, but I have to cry foul on this one:
I quote: "The distribution of voters, we will assume, is spread evenly throughout this spectrum."
I'm not sure why you make this assumption, other than to make the math easier.
Elections are supposed to be reflect (or at least approximate) the will of the people, and the fact is that most people (even in California) are closer to the center than to either extreme.
You may not like Lieberman very much, but he's ideologically closer to the majority of Americans than, say, Ted Kennedy.
The jungle primary system doesn't benefit Democrats -- in that you are correct -- but it does produce candidates who are more reflective of the electorate as a whole.
Before his choice in the presidential race, I think the only reason Lieberman was so reviled is that he "betrayed" the party system and therefore the party loyalists by running as an independent. If the top-two open primary had been going on, you would have ended up with a "fair fight" in the general between Lieberman and Lamont, and regardless of outcome, much less bad blood.
I think that if a jungle primary got implemented nationally, or in several large states, that the two current parties would get wise to it, and essentially circumvent it.
Consider that you never want to run more candidates than will end up on the final ballot, since that gives you the chance to end up shutting yourself out of the final ballot. Assuming that the point of a jungle primary is to yield a plurality in the general election, this will be two. Whether you run one or two will probably be a matter of gamesmanship and a guess about your level of support. In Utah, the GOP might always run a far-right, and a center-right, to see if they can pull both general election spots, but the Dems would be pretty much forced to run a single candidate. And so on.
If it turns out that this type of gamesmanship really is important, the parties are going to get much more aggressive about pre-polling, and possibly running their own unofficial primaries, in order to get the "jungle slate" they want.
Nate-
I think you need to do some re-reading on spatial voting models. It is NOT an equilibrium of the standard two-party primary model to have wide divergence between the platforms of the general election candidates. Either party's voters have an incentive to elect a slightly more moderate nominee in order to win the general (instead of having a 50% chance of their guy and a 50% of the other one). Primaries don't do anything to shift the equilibrium--it's still two candidates with platforms equal to the median voter's ideal point, each winning with 50% probability. The only thing that generates divergence is uncertainty over who the median voter is or what they want.
Not only is the clear result of the model (I can draw up some game theory if you really want...), we can see it in action with all the primary season emphasis on "electability."
It occurs to me that a goal of representative government should be to preserve diversity of voices at high levels as opposed to "only the center". As a single congressperson represents so many more of us than 100 years ago, this is extremely difficult. Barring genuine reform that improves access for third parties (e.g. proportional representation), the party system is what does that. And yes, accepting "diversity" may mean to accept "more discord" (and in a two-party system, "discord" is basically "polarization").
Nate, do your simulations account for the fact that more extremist voters tend to vote at higher levels than moderate voters in primaries relative to the general elections? This results in candidates being even more polarized.
If you lived in California over the past few months, you wouldn't think polarized candidates are such a great idea.
And calling your post "Land of a thousand Liebermans" is unfair. First of all, apparently most Connecticutt voters would disagree with your closing statement.
And as others have noted, those of us who dislike Lieberman don't dislike him because he's moderate, we dislike him because of his extreme stance on the Iraq War and his unbecoming behavior on the campaign trail. But his ADA score was exactly the same in 2007 as the other senator from Connecticutt, Chris Dodd. Does the Land of a Thousand Chris Dodds sound so frightening? How about the Land of a Thousand Susan Collins's, Olympia Snowes, Arlen Specters, Hillary Clintons, Joe Bidens, and Dick Lugars (other Senators rated in the middle of the spectrum by ADA in 2007)? Is that really so frightening?
The one complicating factor is that the American public is not actually distributed evenly across the ideological spectrum...at least according to Gelman's Red/Blue/Rich/Poor book, voters are also bimodally distributed, with a definite peak on both the liberal and conservative sides; the difference is that both peaks are closer to the center than the distribution of politicians.
But why would the US adopt a logical method of elections?
"Suppose that the voters in a state are arranged from 1 to 100, with 1 representing the most liberal voter and 100 the most conservative one."
Or, suppose that we all live in the matrix and what we think of as reality is just a computer program. But both are about as likely to be true.
I'm not convinced at all by this logic for two reasons. First, you're leaving out some of the key variables, like the influence of special influence groups and money, Second, the distribution of voters in any given district has been controlled by legislators who gerrymander the districts to choose the voters, rather than letting the voters select the legislators.
I do like the death spiral argument of the unrepresentative party - looks like the California Republican Party ( excepting the outlier Governator, who the party hates.)
Another piece missing might emerge if instead of a 1-D Liberal/Conservative spectrum, we considered a 2-D spectrum with perhaps Socially Conservative/Liberal on one axis and, say, Fiscally Conservative/Liberal on the other. I surmise that a jungle primary system would be more likely to unlock underepresented segments of that field. Libertarians rejoice.
Note: different Jeff
But the measure, I'd guess, will not pass in 2010. The California Democratic Party has ample reason to oppose it. And some Republican higher-ups might come out in opposition too..."
The "open primary" was approved with 60% of votes in Washington State over the strong objections of both the Democratic and Republican Parties.
So party objections alone may not cause it to loose in California.
Another interesting result of open primaries may be increased viability of third parties in very lefty or righty districts.
The top two might end up being a green and a democrat or a republican and a libertarian.
However those parties also opposed the open primary, so I suppose they disagree (alternatively they have little interest in winning elections and just want to be on the final ballot so they can get some attention and loose badly).
A thousand Liebermans? Wouldn't it be five hundred and thirty eight Liebermans in this land?
Oh, I don't know. In a land of a thousand Liebermans, the ACTUAL Lieberman is a lot less relevant, and I'd be all for that.
Nate, please.
He's from SANTA MARIA not San Luis Obispo. (;
I hope that Californians vote this awful "reform" down.
We have the top two primary here in Washington State. All it does is limits voters' choices in the general election.
In most districts, the winners of the "first round", aka primary, were a Democrat and a Republican. Because this was well known beforehand, a lot less people voted in the primary. The primary effectively became meaningless.
In several districts in Seattle, we had two Democrats running in the general election, while in parts of Eastern Washington, there were two Republicans running.
Another unintended consequence was that fewer third party candidates ran, since they had no hopes of making it to the general election.
It's a horrible idea and I hope that the citizens have the good sense to vote it down.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008090015_thirdparty04m.html
That's a very interesting bit of analysis! Does the number of viable candidates (the ones people consider to be real contenders) have a big effect on the result? i.e., with only three candidates, would the buzzcut bell curve still show up? With six?
On a different note -- There's an extra reason why the parties hate jungle primaries. In very left or very right leaning districts, jungle primaries sometimes get you two Democrats or two Republicans in the general election. That means financial donors spend money on a within party fight when the party would prefer they spent it on (between party) competitive districts.
Yeah, I think it is obvious (at least to me) that this isn't as good as Single Transfer Voting. You could even do Single Transfer Voting to identify your top 2 choices in the jungle primary. But without that and using first past the post you are in real danger of the situation where there are 4 viable Democratic candidates and 2 viable Republican candidates and each R gets ~20% while each D gets ~15% and then you have the R versus R run off when nearly 60% of the state would prefer any of the 4 Ds to either of the Rs.
STV solves this and would lead to far better results.
Besides, the real problem in California is the ridiculous 2/3 majority needed for any budget and for any tax increase. Combined with the initiative process allocating a lot of funds for special purposes away from the general fund. Those two items working together has far more of an impact than the partisan primary election system. Make it a more normal majority needed to pass anything and/or make the initiative process need some sort of pay-go changes and we'd be much better off in CA.
"the distribution of voters, we will assume, is spread evenly throughout this spectrum."
How does the simulation change if we assume the voters are in something resembling a normal distribution instead (which is probably closer to reality)?
I like this analysis. My question relates to MN. The Independence Party has handed the Gov's office to the GOP in each of the last 2 elections and people are talking about Instant Runoff voting which I don't think will be embraced statewide.
One idea is this one, which at this point seems like the most appealing since it would take away the "democrat lite" candidate (Ind Party) and bring us down to a Dem and a GOP candidate. Nate do you think this would help in MN? - and with the party endorsement here, we might still favor the most liberal democrat and the most conservative GOPer.
Nate,
It might be worth noting that voters in Oregon had a proposed amendment on the ballot last November to implement a jungle primary in the state, and defeated it soundly.
Oregon, after all, is an interesting example of your hypothesis. Two decades ago, the state had a politically moderate (and effective) Republican party, and a good balance of party registrations. But for various reasons, the GOP in the state was captured by the right wing (Oregon seems to lead the national trend here), with the result that over the years, more and more political power (and voter registrations) have moved to the Democrats. The GOP in Oregon has been, for lack of a better term, a "whacko" party for at least a decade; one which actively punishes its centrists for apostasy until there's none left. Nowadays, political power in Salem is firmly in the hands of the Democrats, a situation I expect to not change until the Dems find a way to screw things up royally, permitting the Republicans to claim the mantle of reform. (That this will happen I view as inevitable--not because of any observation about the Democrats, but because this is the nature of politics in the US).
Lots to consider here. But note that Cao was elected for the first time last year under a closed primary system and Landrieu was re-elected in that system -- and Landrieu is no more moderate/conservative than most southern Democrats able to win statewide under any system.
I just posted a blog that showcases how "moderate" (not) the Louisiana congressional delegation was for the randomly selected period of 2001-2002. See:
http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/02/the-so-called-open-primary-questionable-solution-to-a-real-problem/
I'm with the folks here who have said here that to really get at the issue of fair representation of the spectrum of opinion, we need the single transferable vote method of proportional representation -- see choicevoting.com for a flash on it, and much more at fairvote.org
As to the question about instant runoff voting, it would be a step up too -- instantrunoff.com and www.fairvote.org/irv
Calling the "jungle primary" a primary at all is quite a misnomer. Primary elections are generally understood as intra-party contests, selecting the candidates--of whatever number of parties there may be--who will face each other in the general.
The "jungle" is, of course, just a top-2 runoff. Above, Jefe said it was a "wonderful" system for Latin American presidential elections, and Nate referred to the French presidential election (specifically that of 2002). And almost everyone seems to think it will empower moderates and nonpartisan voters. Why, we "political scientists" even call it a "nonpartisan blanket primary." Well, not all of us political scientists call it that, or think it makes sense for legislative races.
First off, it is important to recognize that the presidential contests being mentioned are all MULTI-PARTY contests. In their first rounds, voters are choosing from among 3 or more candidates each presented by a different party, and the top 2 advance to a runoff. They are also, of course, national executive elections, with all the attendant focus on the one seat that such contests entail.
The top-2 runoff system is a bit less "wonderful" in the context of a 2-party system, and also for legislative elections. Third parties would seldom, if ever, get to play in the general election. I realize some might see that as advantage, but it is hardly "democratic" to essentially exclude all but the top 2 parties from general elections (where turnout is highest, and where new issues may have come up in what, in most states, is typically several months since the first round, or "primary.") And 40 or 80 or more separate legislative districts lack the voter attention of a single executive race. So please don't generalize from national presidential races in multi-party systems to dozens (or, if this ever went national, 100s) of individual 2-party legislative races.
Besides, those who see advantages from this system are overlooking something important: the problem of having legislators who are "too extreme" is not one of electoral rules that fail to represent the median voter. It is in who the median voter is. Our legislators mostly represent that voter about as well as we can expect. Re-districting might help a little, by shifting who the median is in districts, in relation to the state median. But only a little.
Really, you need to break out of the 2-party and single-member-district paradigms if you want to have much of an impact on generating legislatures whose own median is closer to the median of the entire jurisdiction the legislature serves. This was recognized by Henry Droop 140 years ago, but it sure is slow to catch on here in the USA.
Berkeley Bear wrote that PR "would be like Nader in 2000 or Perot in 1992 getting to decide who the President was, and demanding concessions to do so."
It needn't, of course, since PR is entirely compatible with direct election of the executive.
@MSS: While you may be right that most people think of primaries as elections within parties, I think that if one can also understand these elections as "primary" in the sense that they precede the "general" election -- and as opposed to nomination procedures that only the party organizations or machines controlled (in those fabled "smoke-filled rooms").
Without queation the expected result of instituting direct primaries was to weaken party organizations and to put control of nominations in the hands of "the people." (Classic study: "American State Politis," by V.O. Key.) I think primaries substantially achieved the first goal but failed in the second.
Three points:
1. The observation that candidates have an incentive to move to the position of the median voter (whether in a primary or general election) is not new; it was made first made in 1929 by Harold Hotelling and is known as Hotelling's law or Hotelling's Model or Hotelling's Beach.
2. The distribution of political opinions of American voters is not uniform, nor is it single-peaked (unimodal). It is bimodal. There are two major political visions in this country: A conservative vision based in strict-father morality and a liberal vision based in nurturing parent morality. These groups each have about 35% to 40% of the voters. This was all explained by Berkeley professor of Linguistics George Lakoff in his pioneering work Moral Politics (1997, rev. 2002).
People who believe that children are born bad and have to be made good are conservatives, and tend to believe that environmental pollution should be relatively unregulated, taxes should be low, business should be unconstrained, gun ownership should be relatively unrestricted, abortion should be illegal or highly restricted, and government's main obligations are to provide police protection, military security, and a legal system.
People who believe that children are born good and need to be nurtured more than punished are liberals, and tend to believe that environmental pollution should be strongly regulated, taxes should be sufficient to support services we rightly demand from our government, business should be constrained to protect fairness in labor and safety of products, gun ownership should be restricted, abortion should be legal or lightly restricted, and government's main obligations are to serve the people, help the poor and disadvantaged, and protect everyone from predatory behavior of all kinds.
These views do cluster and the electorate's views are strongly bimodal.
3. Voters do not vote by finding the candidate who is closest to themelves on a liberal-conservative spectrum. They don't even vote by finding the closest match on a variety of issues. Most voters recognize that no politician is going to agree with them on everything, and instead they prefer a candidate who seems to have a consistent, coherent moral vision, hopefully one compatible with the voters' own moral vision. One problem that liberals have had since the 1980s, if not longer, is that they articulate positions on a variety of issues, but fail to articulate an overarching moral vision. This is also explained in Lakoff's works.
There is another reality you're ignoring. Maldonado's target is the legislature. In the legislature, under the current gerrymander, the public has virtually no say in who is selected to represent them. Most districts are dominated by one party. That party chooses the candidate who will win the nomination and thus the election. The only thing that winner has to worry about is pissing off the people who gave him his job -- the party and the special interests behind the party.
In California, among Dems this means public employee unions who elect a majority of the legislature to look after their interests -- kind of like what would happen if the UAW could choose the CEO of GM. If a Democrat has an independent thought, he or she quickly squelches it because the party can threaten to run a candidate against them in the primary -- and can assure that the challenger will win nomination.
The jungle primary proposed by Maldonado is an old school progressive Republican/good-government solution to bossism that has quietly taken over the legislature of the nation's largest state. You're right, it will probably fail. But if it does, the "budget stalemate" will become a permanent feature, with majority Democrats refusing to permit cuts that hurt labor, and minority Republicans being forced to choose between selling out and stopping the government from functioning.
Nate, as a Californian, you can't do an analysis based on an ideological continuum. But this doesn't take into account tribalism and special interests.
For example an ethnic last name might get you 15%. Or someone could run closely identified with Labor, or as an environmentalist, or a Christian.
Your model is bad for other reasons as well, and ultimately is why it is such a bad model overall.
Basically, it splits up the vote much worse than it does otherwise, which means that you can in fact have people on the extremes get to the finals. Indeed, you can also end up with the incredibly awkward position of having two democrats or two republicans win, and it is possible for two candidates to win and not have the majority of the vote even between them, which leads to the ugly situation where the party which fields fewer candidates is more likely to get someone through to the finals, meaning that you have the parties rather than the people picking who is up because the party should internally pick 1-2 candidates (no more than two), and those are who go on through.
There are a number of problems with this simplistic model, the largest being the assumption that voters' idenfication of candidates on the ideological spectrum will be the most important factor in deciding which two candidates will reach the general election.
In a huge state like California, that's not likely to be always true. Because state politics is invisible in the electronic media (and disappearing rapidly in the print press) and because California electorates, both statewide and in legislative races, are so large, money is relatively more important here. Voters know little more about candidates than they learn from advertising. A candidate who is close to the center of the electorate has an advantage only if he or she has enough money to get that message out.
The irony of the gang primary proposal is that it makes money even more important. Today a primary candidate has to target only the voters in his or her party. Under the gang primary, that candidate will need to think about the whole electorate. That will be a more expensive proposition. California's limits on campaign contributions make it difficult for candidates to raise the sums they will need. So the gang primary will increase the success of candidates who can self-fund campaigns or who will attract independent expenditures from the big monied interest groups--business groups, prison guards, teachers and SEIU, and Indian gaming tribes. It will benefit the monied, not the moderate.
The only problem is that the jungle primary is blatantly unconstitutional - you can't force the two major parties to select their candidates by a method against their desires, and more importantly, you can't keep the general election to just two candidates; anyone who wants to can run.
Back in the dark ages when I inhabited academia I actually wrote two papers in this area (fortunately or not, my decision to bail out came before I finished either of them.)
But the point I want to stress is that a primary is part of a two-stage election. Voters choose not just on the basis of which candidate is closest to them, but also on the basis who is more likely to beat the other side. (Even this two factor model is grossly simplified).
There is an analogy to game theory, as preferring to pick the winner over the closest ideological candidate is similar to a minimax strategy - minimizing the maximum loss of having the other side win.
I had actually gotten to the point of designing a computer game designed to analyze the way people approached a primary election decision, but it took about three hours to produce a reasonably complete solution, and preliminary indications were that people could not maintain focus for long enough to give the results some stability.
Mathematical psychology, at least at the time I was in school and later teaching, spent quite a bit of effort trying to model decision making models. (I was hoping to use the game describe above to see which model worked best.)
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Great comment section! This reminds me of the very beginning of fivethirtyeight.com when most of the commenters were brilliant statisticians and the rest of us read, learned, and asked really stupid questions. More like this please.
If this produces more moderate legislators who are more willing to compromise, then it is a win for California.
It is then a stepping stone to range voting. Third parties currently have zero chance of getting into the state legislature. If this passes, they'll still have zero chance. From zero to zero is no better, no worse.
Once there are more moderate legislators who are hopefully less beholden to the special interests, then there's a chance the constitution can be amended to range voting.
Nate -- I assume all your simulations were in a district with a California-like 60-40% split? One thing that jumps out is that 30% of the time, a candidate with the minority perspective gets to represent the district -- that's nuts from a basic democratic perspective. Of course that winner might have a hard time winning re-election, but still, it shows how the system can operate more like a lottery than representative democracy (based on the accident of who emerges in the top two from a big field).
I'd like to see simulations in a 50-50 district and a 75-25 district (and a few other mixes as well, which of course is what states have in their legislatures).
Based on the fact that the electorate is more like a double-hump camel than a snake (no aspersions intended), I think the weird result you probably would get is that in a competitive, 50-50 district, the top two candidates often would often reflect a more classic Democratic vs. Republican choice, with the winner being around either the 35% yard-line or 65% yardline, while in a 75-25 district, the top two might be more at the 25% yardline and 50% hardline, with the centrist candidate winning the runoff. So, in a distortion of what representative democracy is supposed to be about, the more off-center districts might more often be represented by centrist candidates (with those candidates being in the minority, centrist position within their party -- like a Lieberman), while the the more centrist districts would be represented by less centrist districts.
This is probably the first post of Nate's where I think the analysis was significantly lacking. There are so many potentially bad assumptions made, many of which have already been pointed out. My thoughts, in no particular order:
1) It makes extreme candidates more viable, since centrist candidates would likely split votes with each other. It's entirely possible that you would end up with the 2 leading vote-getters being on the extreme fringes.
2) Due to #1, it makes the 2-party system obsolete, as candidates will establish their own narrow-interest parties to legitimize their cause. The current system forces candidates into two generic parties, which forces them to moderate their views somewhat to appease the broader base of the party.
3) Lack of a 2-party system further exacerbates #1.
IIRC, this is exactly how Hitler came to power in Germany. The David Duke example is a great reminder that it's not such a stretch that this could still happen in the US. IMO, we should elect in a way that avoids the greatest danger, not in a way that promotes the greatest good. Nobody likes Bush, but he's about as bad as the 2-party system can get...and he still is nothing close to a Hitler/Stalin.
And, fwiw, I think there's a reasonable argument to be made with the assumption that having a whole bunch of centrists in Washington would produce any sort of different outcome. Being an effective legislator really has very little to do with what side of the political spectrum you occupy.
A lot of flaws in the analysis have been pointed out by other commenters, most of which I agree with, and will not repeat here. I'd like to mention though that both systems cause aggregation around the leading candidates, as shown by polls. If a candidate has around 10% support, I am unlikely to support them because they have no chance of winning, thus my vote is "wasted" as it doesn't help the viable candidate I might have preferred. This leads to their slumping in polls, in a positive feedback loop. The same happens, of course, in the Presidential Elections. I come from a country where all regional elections are done by this method (2-candidate runoff), and I can tell you that all elections here are greatly influenced by this mechanics. That means that often a centrist candidate loses because "nobody is voting for them, why should I?"
Nate, I would really love to see a simulation of how an IRV method would treat the centrist position. I think the results would look good.
(If people here don't know how IRV works I can elaborate, but I think that in this place at least it should be well known)
Here's a link to information about IRV (though only from those who advocate it).
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There wouldn't be a "Lieberman" if we had a 1000 Lieberman. Instead of having some party-line vote on every issue, the group in the middle would have more power.
Of course Lieberman was a needle in the eye of the left. (note, I'm not a conservative myself)... but he's only ineffectually annoying because there is a whipped party structure. But if there is less of a party trying to hold a "coalition" of a party, the idea of an annoying flip-flopping centrist would disappear.
In my opinion, your analogy is obviously defensive of partisanship...
As someone involved in a jungle primary mayoral race in a very liberal city (Newton, MA)I see one pitfall of this type of election. We have had a bad mayor who has run the city budget into the ground,but no republican fiscal conservative is running. The best known local fiscal conservative thought about running but decided not to. He is instead running for an Aldermanic seat, because he realized that under a jungle system he had no chance of winning. The result is a whole bunch of liberal democrats running against each other.
I implemented some variant simulations on my site. Have a look, and borrow the code to modify and do your own simulations.
It's very important to know how the state parties in California would respond to a jungle primary. If the parties do little to nothing to channel the efforts of affiliated candidates -- that is, if party acts as little more than a label -- it is easy to imagine a number of strange and undesirable effects of a jungle primary, at least over the short term. Mr. Silver's above analysis assumes two candidates from each party; this may be a good assumption for a long-run average, but any variation in the number of candidates would likely be decisive. If there happen to be more viable candidates on the majority side of the spectrum, a top-two system could end up selecting its two candidates from the minority rather than the majority. I'd be interested in seeing a simulation run with a random number of a candidates, each with a random position taken from the entire voter spectrum -- more of a true jungle. This seems like it would flatten the distribution of winning candidates further.
Here's the thing: political parties in California can adapt to the jungle by having their own endorsement contests prior to the elections and attempting to make all non-endorsed candidates withdraw prior to the state-sponsored primary.
This is essentially what happens in a number of states already; winter or spring caucuses select delegates that will form a summer party convention that endorses candidates. There's a state-sponsored primary in the fall, but unless the non-endorsed candidates feel able to win and withstand the wrath of their state party, they generally withdraw. Making this state-sponsored primary a jungle primary will add some uncertainty in the short term, but same incentives that make voters form two parties for American general elections also make some small number of parties powerful in this top-two primary.
I don't know that the optimal number of parties for this system is two for a system starting from scratch, but California isn't starting from scratch: there are already two parties that have staked claim to the cast majority of the ideological spectrum. If these two parties nominate candidates prior to the primary, and their nomination is respected by enough voters, there might not be much space left for another candidate to get in the top two.
Juris (5:47 pm, Feb 20): Sure, in the sense that "primary" means "first" it could mean first round. But a first round that is about picking candidates regardless of their party is certainly not how "primary" has generally been understood.
But in your general critique of primaries, per se: agreed. I'd rather get rid of them for a more serious reform, but if the top-2 system is the proffered alternative, I'd rather keep the status quo--bad as it is, it's not the worst we could do.
"But the measure, I'd guess, will not pass in 2010. The California Democratic Party has ample reason to oppose it."
Wouldn't moderate Democrats unlikely to be nominated by the Democratic party (and moderate Republicans like the current governor facing the same dilemma) support such a policy?
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The second comment from Aranfell refers to the fact that Massachusetts allows Unenrolled voters to vote in any primary. In my own town in MA, lots of officially Unenrolled voters are really Democrats or Republicans in disguise. They lose nothing by desigating Unenrolled. My experience is that Unenrolled voters participate in primaries at a much lower level than Democrats or Republicans, and typically in the same proportions as the Enrolled voters, so the Massachusetts model may not change things much.
Um, which is why Joe Lieberman, the extremist, defeated the more moderate Lamont in the general election? And why George W. Bush, the extremist, beat John Kerry, the moderate, in the general election.
Your charts aren't based on any data whatsoever. They're just based on your preconceptions of how elections and ideology work. And I think they're grossly misleading.
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