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2.26.2009

Did Race Win the Election for Obama?

At the end of this post I have some pretty pictures showing the near-uniformity of the vote swing from 2004 to 2008 (and thus, by implication, the importance of national rather than local or demographic factors in understanding what happened).

But before displaying these, let me discuss a particular factor that many have noticed: the differing voting patterns of people in different ethnic groups. Carl Bialik discusses an article by Steve Ansolabehere and Charles Stewart, who write:

Obama won because of race . . . Obama captured ten million more votes in 2008 than John Kerry did in 2004, resulting in a 4.6 percentage point swing toward the Democrats from 2004 to 2008. This swing did not occur similarly or uniformly among all politically relevant groups, as forecasting models might suggest. Most of the additional Democratic votes were cast by black and Hispanic voters--4.3 million and 2.7 million more, respectively. Democrats also gained among white voters, but the increase was a modest 3 million votes. . . . Obama gained not only by bringing new minority voters into the electorate, but also by converting minority voters who had previously been in the GOP stable.


This is consistent with instant election-night analysis (see item 4 here).

But I want to move on to a part of Ansolabehere and Stewart's article that I disagree with, and which I want to avoid becoming part of the accepted narrative of Obama's election.

They write, "had Blacks and Hispanics voted Democratic in 2008 at the rates they had in 2004 while whites cast 43 percent of their vote for Obama, McCain would have won." I don't think that's really a reasonable model, though, because that would be assuming that Obama would've outperformed Kerry more among whites than among nonwhites, which hardly seems plausible. To put it another way, Obama's baseline swing among any group is his national swing, not zero. Given the state of the economy in November 2008, zero just doesn't make sense as a baseline.

Similarly, Ansolabehere and Stewart write, "Had Obama relied only on a surge among young voters, holding other groups at the 2004 voting behaviors, he would have fallen short of victory." Again, I think this is slightly misleading: Obama's strategy was not to do better only young voters but rather to improve upon Kerry's performance in general, but piling up a particular margin among the young. Which is what he did.

You can also slice up the vote swing geographically, by counties in different regions of the country, and you find that Obama did close to uniformly better than Kerry nearly everwhere, except for Republican-leaning poor counties in the South (where Obama pretty much stayed even with Kerry). The geographic patterns are striking (see graph at the end of this post).

Race matters, yes, but we're still seeing a national swing.

Finally, I noticed that some of Bialik's commenters focused on Obama's racial appeal. I'd like to remind them that the Democrats gained even more in elections for the House of Representatives (compared to 2004) than Obama gained on Kerry. The House gains just weren't so obvious because they were spread over two elections.

2008 was a Democratic year, Obama was a Democrat, and he won in one of the ways the Democrats could've won. With a different candidate there might have been different demographics but roughly the same national swing, and maybe a slightly different electoral map with a similar electoral vote total.

I think Ansolabehere and Stewart are right on the money when they write, "the results of the 2008 election challenge much of what has been conventionally thought about race and politics in America. Barack Obama has accomplished an astonishing political move [by] disproportionately energizing nonwhite voters and converting erstwhile Republican supporters within the minority community without alienating white voters."

My summary: as Carl said, the election outcome is multidimensional. Because Ansolabehere and Stewart were writing a short article, they very properly focused on a single feature of the election--race. My disagreement with them over emphasis is in no way intended to represent a criticism of their scholarship. Once you want to break the vote down by demographics, I agree that ethnicity is the biggest factor (with age being an important predictor also, much more than in the past). But when it comes to the national outcome, I'd say that the #1 feature of the election was a bad economy that produced a national swing toward the Democrats in general and Obama and particular.

P.S. Comments here from John Sides. who links to this article by Mark Blumenthal and this by Marc Ambinder. John writes that "Most likely, the economy and race both mattered. Andy sees the economy as more important. I'm inclined to agree, but ultimately time, and more evidence, will tell."

My response: I'd say the economy was more important in determining the ultimate outcome of the election, and that race was more important in describing relative differences between the Obama and Kerry vote.

That is, the economy predicted the uniform partisan swing, and race described much of the discrepancies from uniform partisan swing.

P.P.S. Here's further discussion from Blumenthal.

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56 comments

Mark said...

Part of the graphic at the bottom is cut off by the right sidebar.

Could you crunch some numbers to determine how much Obama would have won by if not for his disproportionate energizing of the minority vote? I'm willing to bet that would have lost him North Carolina and maybe Indiana.

fred said...

The real question is - will these non-white voters keep coming out and keep voting as if they do, the soutern white repub party had really big problems that a right wing nut with darker skin (e.g. Steele and Jinal) will not solve.

MattHat121 said...

Yes, if only whites could vote. We all know the implication behind these sorts of analyses: Non-white votes don't matter as white votes. The subconscious bias at play is sickening. In America, a vote is a vote is a vote, regardless of who casts it.

You know, if it weren't for all those white quarterbacks, Donovan McNabb would be the best quarterback to ever play the game!

LFC said...

And maybe the non-white voters just decided, in overwhelming numbers, that the GOP was a bunch of f***-ups who weren't fit to govern.

LorenzoStDuBois said...

I think Nate told us who "Andrew" is a few days ago, but you really ought to add his info on the FAQ page.

Caredwen said...

Andrew, your analysis has been really insightful. It's nice to have your voice here.

Greg F said...

What does the size of the circles in the graphs represent? Population?

Cate Morrison said...

This seems to be a good example of how thinking at the margins sometimes results in a funky, misleading narrative of a much larger and more complex event.

jroc133 said...

Andrew - welcome to the site and this is a very post; however, I disagree w/ the oversimplification of this year's presidential election.

Race did play a part, but it wasn't the overwhelming reason. The general public at large lost trust in the republican party - plain and simple. Iraq divided the nation, the federal government's response post Katrina changed the mood and the Republicans were seen as ineffective and incompetent. Throw in Abramoff, Valerie Plame, the US Attorney firings, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, et al and the country was just fed up w/ the GOP.

I think Obama or Hillary had a yellow brick road to the White House regardless of race or gender.

Young, college educated voters (be it Black or White/ male or female) were turned off by the Republicans and to a further extent are buying what FOX news and conservative talk radio are selling.

Those are simply my two cents, but I really think that the mood changed and Democrats connect w/ a broader general electorate...

jroc133 said...

I meant to say that the young electorate are NOT buying what FOX news and conservative talk radio are selling.

I also feel that the economy collapsing was the dirt being buried over John McCain's grave...

Mark said...

The candidates the Republicans have been fielding lately are just laughable. McCain? Bob Dole? George W. Bush, even though he "won"? It's almost enough to warrant a moratorium on making fun of John "Easy Target" Kerry.

nova_middle_man said...

Cmon now. Race and age are why Obama won. His biggest margins were 18-29 and among minorities. Old white guy aka Kerry and it would have been a much different result. Kerry might have squeaked it out but it would have been much closer.

mike Rappeport said...

You're asking the wrong question. Its not why did Obama win. It is why didn't he lose. No northern Democrat of any color skin had won since the civil rights legislation was passed in 1968. The reason wsa that the Lyndon Johnson civil rights legislation civil rights legislation had changed the solid south from solid Democrat to solid Republican. But the times they have changed. Virginia is now a democratic state, central Florida and southern Ohio are no longer the critical areas they once were, and even North Carolina is well into the process of change. For the first time since the civil war (and some would say since the Revolution), the marriage of convenience between the economic "conservatives" of the north and the racial
"conservatives" of the south is no longer enough to win an election. Obama was just the beneficiary.

R.W. said...

I think your response is less nuanced than Bialik's, and your conclusion, that this was a good year for a generic democrat, while obviously true, doesn't really answer the question you set out to answer.

Part of the problem may be that this question isn't explicitly defined: what would it mean for race to win the election for him and what would it mean for it not to be a factor? Some approaches, such as asking "Would he have one if he were white?" will lead nowhere because the question doesn't make any sense. Other avenues most likely involve setting standards for what demographic shifts need to be, and investigating what they were, like you did.

Beyond that, I think you tend to overlook that Obama was a very good candidate for the Democrats. Despite his blackness, not because of it, he appealed to the middle class. More than McCain, he seemed like a regular guy. That is, he was the Andrew Jackson this election, just as George Bush was in 2000 and 2004.

Perhaps gains among different groups of blacks, hispanics, and whites happened for separate reasons simultaneously.

Mason said...

Cmon now. Race and age are why Obama won. His biggest margins were 18-29 and among minorities. Old white guy aka Kerry and it would have been a much different result. Kerry might have squeaked it out but it would have been much closer.

Yeah? What's your point? Those are traditionaly a national Democratic candidate's biggest margins. The point of the article and that graphic is hat he had bigger margins than normal among non-traditional democratic demographics as well.

jroc133 said...

@RW - that's a point that way TOO many people forget, Barack Obama was a phenomenal candidate.

He won despite not only his blackness, he won despite his name. Imagine if Harold Ford, JR runs in 2016? U think he'll go threw as much scrutiny as Obama?

Still, what you just said makes it all so important - Obama was a phenomenal candidate and he quite honestly has made his whole political career about one day getting the top spot...

LFC said...

jroc133 said... I also feel that the economy collapsing was the dirt being buried over John McCain's grave...

I don't. He had the myth of being the outsider, and he could have made that work for him. The dirt in his face was his reaction to the economy. He was erratic ("the fundamentals of our economy are strong" followed literally hours later by "we're in a crisis"), petty ("I'm not phoning it in", and couldn't decide if he wanted to take credit or point a finger of blame (first he was the reason the TARP deal went through, until it failed when it was Pelosi's fault).

John McCain lost because of John McCain. He showed, without a doubt, that he didn't have the chops to be President. He's not a strategic man, he's a reactionary fighter jock. And while there is a place for people like that, it's not the Oval Office.

Oh, yeah. And Sarah Palin. That's one of the biggest self-inflicted political wounds I've ever witnessed.

obsessed said...

Thanks for another great article.

To see the full graphic, right click and "open image in a new tab" (or new window)

obsessed said...

magine if Harold Ford, JR runs in 2016

do I have to? ugh ... He's right up there with Hoyer, Schumer, Feinstein and Reid on my most detested democrat list.

nova_middle_man said...

All those graphics show is he did better than Kerry. It doesn't tell us WHY he did better than Kerry. If you actually look at the data you can see the biggest margins that Obama improved over Kerry were among 18-29 and among minorities.

I will submit the fact that McCain was older than dirt propably had something to do with the change in 18-29 as well.

harold said...

I think it's impossible, at this point, to know what impact race had.

Comparisons to Kerry's results are irrelevant on many dimensions. Kerry was running in 2004, before the housing bubble even really took off (time flies, doesn't it), before the Iraq war had become really unpopular, and before the general economic situation had definitively unraveled. He also ran what almost anyone would agree was a far less effective campaign.

The remarkable thing about Kerry was that a "liberal Democrat" from MA, running against an incumbent, and not running a particularly stellar campaign, came very close to winning.

The housing market was at its peak in 2006, but Democrats won the congressional races.

Did Obama's race impact on African-American turnout, or would African-Americans have turned out in very large numbers in 2008 for any Democrat? Who knows?

Did Obama lose some white votes because of his race? Maybe, but who knows how many?

However, a growing dislike of the Republican brand is a clear trend.

nova_middle_man said...

Ok. Thanks to the crack analysis at five thirty eighty here is the data

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/obama-outperforms-kerry-among-virtually.html

Look at the categories what categories are +10

Latino, other, 18-29,

More educated enlightened haha

No high school +13
<15,000k income +10

I rest my case

Ok I can throw you guys a bone

200k+ +17

Now before you bash I voted for Obama I like the guy. McCain lost it when he went for the anti-tax instead of the fiscal conservatives and then nominated Palin for the religious base vote. The record needs to be set straight on why he won.

jroc133 said...

@LFC - you have a point about McCain.

To a certain extent, we agree its just your point is more thorough than mine.

My take was that once the economy finally tanked, the general public was thoroughly pissed w/ the GOP and to a larger extent - their policies proved to be disasterous to the overall electorate.

However, John McCain's reaction after Lehman Bros. went under was the exact opposite of what a presidential candidate should be showing the nation. Obama was calm and displayed resolve. McCain was erratic and clueless.

And don't get me started on Palin.

Well you already have. imo, the pick of Sarah Palin reflects just how much conservatives disrespect anyone that is socially progressive, independent, or strongly Democratic. They don't seem to understand that Hillary supporters weren't just women, they were people that agreed w/ Hillary's ideals and what she represented.

And of all the Republican governors or senators McCain could've picked - he chose the BIGGEST Political Onion this side of Dan Quayle and she made him look like a Rhodes' Scholar...

Lehman Bros, Katie Couric, and Tina Fey killed Sarah Palin after she gave McCain a two week push. All of them happening w/in a week just further buried his chances and solidified the landslide.

Had McCain chosen a solid candidate for VP then the race would've been closer, imo - but I still Barry H would've been number 44 regardless...

Satya said...

To refer to Obama's improved performance among non-white voters as being the result of race or of Obama's race is silly. Nonwhite voters include (among others) two very differently situated groups: blacks, who probably were more inclined to vote for Obama because of his race - although evven that is simplifying matters, since black support for Obama is also because Obama is much more attuned to black issues than any previous politician. But hispanics voting for Obama because of his race? I seriously doubt it. His disappointing performance in the primaries among hispanic voters suggests to me that those voters, while not necessarily racist (as they were described by the media at the time) weren't necessarily thrilled by the idea of voting for a black candidate. Rather, I suspect that Obama's performance among hispanics has much more to do with Tom Tancredo and the Immigration Reform debacle turning hispanics against the Republican party, along with the Democratic swing generally and Obama's personal appeal.

Evans said...

Hey Nate,

On another topic, do you know of any polls in progress to test the popularity of AB 390 with Californians? I know the national poll you mentioned last week has those in favor as a minority, but I seem to remember some much higher state numbers back when we legalized it medicinally. Frankly, I'd be a little surprised if it had less than 50% support.

Anyway, if a poll were to come out showing Californians in favor, maybe this would have a chance...

muchgrund said...

Whites are not a monolithic group. I remind you to ask which whites we are talking about. Here in Portland, Ore. (now the nation's whitest large metropolitan area, according to latest statistics), Kerry won with 72% of the vote in 2004, and Obama won with 77% in 2008. But our whites are Yankees through and through, with the same cultural habits as New England, according to anthropologists. If we had includes more Southerners or Appalachians, it might have been a different story.

loner said...

There is a simple racial/ethnic explanation for the November 4th result. African-American and Latino voters turned out to vote for Obama to a much greater extent than white voters turned out to vote against him.

My recollection is that in the days immediately following the election, members of the Obama camapign said the only real surprise in the vote was the extent of Latino support in Nevada and New Mexico.

Mike in Maryland said...

The race factor doesn't seem to fit for three key states, namely Indiana, North Carolina and Virginia, all of which went for the Democratic nominee for the fist time since 1976 (NC) or 1964 (IN and VA).

Since the swing in votes was greater than the growth of AA and Hispanic populations in the states, and McCain received LESS than Bush in Indiana (133,790 less), there was much more than a 'race of candidate' factor going on in the election. In fact, it was a whole range of factors - the economy, war, GOOPer inability to govern, etc., etc.

Another thing about Indiana - In 2007, the black population was approximately 570,000, but the 'partisan' swing in the vote total was 538,818. Even if no AAs voted in 2004 (laughable), and every eligible AA voted in 2008, that wouldn't explain the swing, as there aren't enough eligible AA voters in the state (old enough and registered) for that much of a swing.

Michael said...

Sure, Obama won in large part due to votes from blacks and Hispanics. No, Obama did not win because of his race. All you need to think about to know for a certainty that race wasn't what won the election is to consider who would have voted for Alan Keyes if he had been the Republican candidate for President, running against Hillary Clinton. Black and Hispanic voters have exactly the same capacity to make rational (and irrational) decisions about candidates that white Anglo voters do - and it's sad that anyone has to bring up such a counter-racist point. So therefore, it was a judgment on this particular candidate. Undoubtedly, his half-African parentage and identification as black were a bonus to many voters, but they weren't the reason for such a large turnout in his favor.

skippy said...

and if monkeys flew out of everyone's butt and voted, the new york post would be president.

i agree w/the above commentors who say, in essence, that analyses like this bialik's are dogwhistles implying that de colored vote isn't as important and the white man's burden.

duckysherwood said...

NYT had a nice map:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/11/05/us/politics/20081104_ELECTION_RECAP.html

which I reproduced in a zoomable form at:
http://maps.webfoot.com/demos/election2008/
(select 2008 vs. 2004).

The map shows the difference between how well Kerry did and how well Obama did. There are very few places where Kerry did better than Obama:
Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, southern Louisiana, southern West Virginia/eastern Kentucky, Arizona, and some bits and pieces elsewhere.

Arizona is because it's McCain's home state. I am guessing that AR and TN are because they were Clinton and Gore's home states. (The state boundaries are highly visible in AR and TN, and I find it hard to believe that the demographics are that much different on either side of the AR/MO, or TN/W. KY state lines.) I kinda hate to suggest that LA and WV are just racist, but that is the stereotype.

I'm not sure why Oklahoma voted more for Kerry, especially given the high Native population (which went pretty strongly for Obama elsewhere).

Matthew H said...

Lumping Blacks and Hispanics together as 'race' devalues both of them. It's not like they vote as a bloc.

Cugel said...

That Boston Review article was just typical right-wing cant, idiotic at its base and implicitly racist.

We've been hearing this for years from the right! "Without the support of Blacks Democrats wouldn't win one election." That's been a Republican theme for the better part of a decade or more.

But, it's an idiotic truism! Without a major portion of the base of any party, that party could not win. Do you hear pundits publishing (purportedly statistically objective) studies showing that without the evangelical Christian vote, Republicans "wouldn't win one single election?"

NO! You don't! Because conservative Evangelical Christian support for Republicans is somehow "normal" and acceptable, but it's somehow an "interest group" if minorities support Democrats!

It's part of the extreme bias among Conservatives, even purportedly neutral "scholars" that this ideological blindness is so overwhelming that they don't even see it and think they're presenting an objective statistical survey!

If you subtract ANY MAJOR PORTION of base support from either party, that party would NEVER WIN! I have no doubt that if you were to subtract White Males over 55 from Republican totals, they would have lost every Senatorial election for instance. Would a statistical survey purporting to demonstrate that fact prove anything? Would it prove that Senator McConnell owes his election to an "interest group" of elderly whites? Or Evangelicals?

DoctorMcLovin said...

If you compare African American support for President Obama to support for Al Gore in 2000 or Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996 the "race factor" is much less dramatic. 2004 is not the best "base year" to look at African American support for Democratic Presidential candidates. Viewed in this way, a more interesting question may be, "why didn't John Kerry do better with black voters?"

juvanya said...

I honestly do not think Hillary would have broken 300. She would never get Obama's organization and fundraising even if she made him VP. I know I would not have donated $15 to her and would not have campaigned for her nor voted for her.

She'd keep Kerry, add Ohio, Indiana (maybe), maybe Florida, and New Mexico. She would absolutely not get Virginia, North Carolina, Nebraska 2nd, and some others.

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STepper said...

I can't read the graphs in the right ("rich") column.

If Barak Obama had been Barry O'Bannon, he would have gotten 500 electoral votes and possibly 60% of the vote. So, no, being AA didn't help Obama, but he won nevertheless.

And, we're still a racist country, but we're getting better. My 12 year old daughter will be of the first generation to be totally race unconscious. Thank God. Long time coming.

Pragmatus said...

This is the sort of thing that puts the "anal" in analysis.

One cannot apply mathematical models that will account for everything. The big factors in the election that are being completely ignored here are John McCain's lack of appeal (the longer the campaign went on, the more shrill and repetitive he became) and the general horror at Sarah Palin being so close to the nuclear button.

Also, John Kerry was seen as dithering and unfocused, which was not the case with Obama, regardless what his race is.

Pragmatus said...

Stat-Wall...

Funny! This is the same Bobby Jindal who recently signed into law a creationism sneak-around to the state constitution so that future textbooks will have to feature not only science but also a select religious view of how the world and all its creatures came to be.

If this clown ever runs for national office, he should be hounded day and night by reporters asking why he would cave in on such an important freedom-from-religion issue.

postxian said...

I really hate these "if all those minorities hadn't voted" arguments. Well, they did. And their votes count.

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anthonyy said...

It seems a nonsensical conclusion to say that he won by being black. Sure he gained black votes by being black, but for the authors to stop there is to miss the point entirely. How many white voters voted for McCain because Obama was black? How does anybody know whether that number exceeds the number of people who voted for Obama because he was black? The authors have no idea.

In fact, if we are honest, it seems fairly clear that Obama would have won by a bigger margin if he were white. The evidence?

1. McCain was a bad candidate, too old to be plausibe, and his age showed

2. McCain ran a terrible disorganised campaign, during which he sacrificed much of his honorable reputation by fighting dirty

3. McCain picked Palin

4. the economy would have defeated almost any Republican, and McCain had no idea about the economy

5. Obama ran an almost flawless campaign

6. Obama was by common consent a very attractive candidate who spoke brilliantly and inspired millions who had never voted before

7. Obama's one weakness was inexperience, but his behaviour under pressure belied this and he inspired much more confidence than his more experienced opponent who was erratic under pressure

8. and he was lucky - the implosion of the economy happened at the absolute perfect moment for him

So how come Obama could possibly win by as little as 7%?

The only plausible explanation is that he was disadvantaged by being black.

Joe The Fake Virginian said...

Statler

Hilarious post! If you only added you were joining the guard as Judy Garland and started singing "Ring, Ring, Ring goes the trolley"

Should I sign off this post with

TA!!!!

Eddie Fransanisco said...

Are race numbers ever adjusted for income?

It's my intuition that if you took the number of points Obama beat Kerry by in the <$15,000 income range (10), compared it against the percentage of minorities in that same income range,and then compared that to the minority percentage nationally, you might have a better idea about what factor race actually played.

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Mister Ray said...

I'm happy to let Republicans think Obama won because he is black. Then they can continue to think that Steele's hip hop GOP marketing strategy is a great idea and that the darkest people in their party are the most electable for that reason alone. And please don't tell them that Bobby Jindal isn't an African American.

Obama is Obama. That's good enough for me.

ABowers said...

Being black was a big help to Obama in some places - primarily big and medium size cities. There was another map that showed Obama really outperforming in all metropolitan areas. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh gave Obama his big win in Pennsylvania. In rural PA he actually underperformed.

Since there are more people and more voters in metropolitan areas Barak won.

But being black probably cost him one state - Missouri - that a Clinton might have won. Since he did not need it, who cares.

The real question is not why Democrats, Blacks, Hispanics, and young people went for Obama. They are all groups on the left, progressive side and were not voting for McCain anyway.

The real question is why did swing voters swing for him? If Kerry could have won over the swing voters, he would have won. And I think being black was a negative for many of them but their fear of economic disaster outweighed all other factors. As Governor Rendell said, "When you are drowning, you don't care about the color of the arm holding a rope."

Except for rural rednecks in South and Applachia. Their prejudice was just too strong.

ABowers said...

Minnesota calling -

The court has just ruled that all absentee ballots rejected because voter was not registered are to be inspected to see if a voter registration card is inside secret envelope. TomTech thinks there are about 1,200+ to be checked with maybe 50% having registration cards inside.

SO how about a prediction? How many will Franken net? Are these more or less likely to be for Franken since these are new voers?

Matthew Flaschen said...

"They write, "had Blacks and Hispanics voted Democratic in 2008 at the rates they had in 2004 while whites cast 43 percent of their vote for Obama, McCain would have won.""

I agree that this is an unreasonable baseline assumption.

Moreover, haven't Blacks and Hispanics been getting more and more Democratic anyway as a long term trend? Thus, wouldn't a sophisticated forecasting model have predicted that a white Democrat from Massachusetts (or make it Connecticut just to avoid voter fatigue/intellectual laziness) running in 2008 would have garnered a larger proportion of Blacks/Hispanics than Kerry did in 2004? This would simply be because 2008 is later than 2004 and that is the direction of the trend.

Clay said...

I don't want to be too discouraging, but this is not one of the site's better post.

The argument is poorly written, but more importantly poorly researched. I haven't crunched the numbers to say anyone is wrong, but the evidence has not been provided.

It seems that the argument is since there was a national swing for the democrats a swing towards the democrats in one particular racial group doesn't matter. That is not necessarily true. You have to examine the size of the swing towards democrats in the different groups and examine the effects of the swing. This was not done. Ironically, that is what Ansolabehere & Stewart were getting at.

I would also be very careful to assume that the economy and race are variables that do not relate to one another. Most the unemployment data I have seen shows the recession has hit minorities harder than white people (most likely due to socioeconomic class). It is possible that the recession helped Obama get more minorities to vote. If this idea is true, then -potentially- both the economic changes and minorities were important both individually and together.

The graphs are unconvincing at answering the questions that are being raised.

Tony C. said...

No time to read all these comments, but it seems clear from the graphic Obama did noticeably better than Kerry in the middle class in virtually every county. Since many are predominately white in the north, I don't see how race accounts for it. I am white, I didn't vote for him because he is black, I voted for him because he is an inspirational Democrat, and in the primary I thought Hillary was an opportunistic liar (and still do).

All elections are close, and in every election you can carve out some chunk of 5% of voters and claim they were the critical link in the mix. Well you can't throw out any chunk of 5% and still win!

I think it was simply the economy and a rejection of the entire Republican philosophy of government which we found wanting.

john said...

I was disappointed in your analysis. The fact that Obama performed better among blacks and Hispanics could suggest that they voted for him disproportionately because of his race OR alternatively that whites voted against him disproportionately because of his race (because of racism or racial fear or whatever). How do you tell the difference from a disparity between black and white votes. Neither your analysis nor that of the paper to which you were responding addressed this crucial question. As other posters have noted, the fact that the advantage extends to Hispanics and is not limited to blacks, supports the latter hypothesis.

Finally, as someone who canvassed for Obama in multiple states and talked to lots of white voters, it will take some pretty definitive statistical arguments, far better than anything I saw in this post, to convince me that Obama would not have gotten significantly more white votes had he not been black.

The reassuring development I think is that he won not only because of the economic crisis but also because of his performance in the debates and is other performances. Most people got to see him up close for the first time and many who had been scared of him decided, based on what he showed them when they got to know him, that he was the better man for the job.

John said...

I'm stuck on the very first line quoted from Ansolabehere and Stewart: "Obama won because of race."

What does this mean? Are the authors claiming he won b/c of HIS race? Or are they claiming that the additional votes they describe by blacks and Hispanics are "race" voters?? Are white voters not of a "race???" If a candidate with Obama's positions, campaign, speaking ability, etc., were white, and won with a higher percentage of white voters than Obama received, would we say that that white candidate won "because of race"?

priscianus jr said...

Obama won because of Obama. He does belong to a race, in fact, two races. If McCain had won, would he have won because of his race? Yes. But with Obama, no I don't think so. He won because more people thought he would make a better president.

Jersey said...

The graph is chopped off the side.

Here is the URL where you can view the graph complete:

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/mlm/swings2008.png

john said...

Obama definitely won INITIALLY because of his race and would have never even gotten past the primaries. There would have been no record turnout amongst blacks AND Hillary most likely would have taken a major portion of blacks that did vote if Obama were a white male. Think about it...South Carolina romp never would have happened...many of the romp states after Super Tuesday would have been closer. The proportional system would have given Hillary the nomination in this scenario.

So I'm glad for Barack's background as it was definitely an asset.