1.02.2009

More Reading on Burris, and Another Attempt at Legal Analysis

Since my previous efforts at constitutional analysis have been received with some (warranted) skepticism, let me first point you toward a series of arguments made on either side of the Roland Burris issue by people more qualified to tackle this stuff than I am, and then try and advance a somewhat more sophisticated and legally sound argument.

Firstly, some smart folks arguing that the Senate probably does have the right to exclude Burris:

Akhil Reed Amar and Josh Chafetz, Slate
Lyle Dennison, SCOTUSBlog
Jack Balkin, Balkinization

And here are some other smart folks arguing that no, the Senate probably does not have such authority:

Scott Lemieux, Lawyers, Guns and Money
Brian Kalt, Concurring Opinions
Eugene Volokh, Volkoh Conspiracy

The crux of the argument seems not to be, as I questioned originally, whether Burris' appointment constitutes an "election" as specified by Article 1, Section 5 of the Constitution. The Senate certainly has had no trouble challenging appointments before, although it hasn't done so (at least as far not as I can tell) since the Powell v McCormack decision in 1969. (Amar and Chafetz also argue that -- notwithstanding the question about what constitutes an "election", the appointment of Burris qualifies as a "return", which the Senate also has the power to judge under Article 1, Section 5). Rather the question in light of the Powell decision, is to what if any extent the Senate is restricted in its power to serve as the judge of such an appointment.

I do think that -- and, in case this isn't clear to anyone, this is just a layman's reading of the decision -- people may be underestimating the intended scope of Powell, which seems to have been trying to cast a fairly wide net. In particular, the opinion holds that:

Unquestionably, Congress has an interest in preserving its institutional integrity, but, in most cases, that interest can be sufficiently safeguarded by the exercise of its power to punish its members for disorderly behavior and, in extreme cases, to expel a member with the concurrence of two-thirds. In short, both the intention of the Framers, to the extent it can be determined, and an examination of the basic principles of our democratic system persuade us that the Constitution does not vest in the Congress a discretionary power to deny membership by a majority vote.
Emphasis mine. The key word in that paragraph is probably "discretionary". One can imagine two extremes here. In one case, imagine that the governor of Arizona, a state which requires that an appointed senator be from the same party as the vacating one, attempted to nominate a candidate from the other party instead, in apparent contravention to the state law. Or, to draw a more plausible scenario, suppose that the appointee switched parties on the day before her appointment to circumvent that law. Clearly, it seems, the Senate would have the authority to strike this down.

At the other extreme, imagine that in Indiana, which has no such law, Evan Bayh decided to resign from the Senate, Governor Mitch Daniels decided to appoint a Republican to fill his seat, and that the Democratic majority in the Senate didn't like this and so voted to exclude Daniels' otherwise-qualified appointee merely because they didn't want another Republican in their chamber. I would hope that the Senate would be precluded from doing something like that.

What the Powell decision seems to hold is that, if the Senate wants to exercise its discretionary power to prevent someone from serving in the Senate, it has another mechanism to do that, which is expulsion. So the decision to exclude a member must in some sense be non-discretionary.

In the case of a question about a member's qualifications to serve in the Senate, there is a pretty clear bright line between a discretionary decision and a non-discretionary one, which is that the Constitution specifically establishes the qualifications for serving in the Senate, such as being of sufficient age and being a U.S. Citizen. But can such a bright line be established between a discretionary and non-discretionary action in the case of the Senate's right to judge a gubernatorial appointment?

I don't know. What the Burris folks will probably argue, if the case gets that far, is that the Senate's power would be limited to judging whether such an appointment was made in contravention of either state or federal laws. That is, a non-discretionary judgment is one involving the enforcement or interpretation of such laws, and in order to be allowed to render such a judgment, the Senate needs to put a legal question before itself.

That the Burris appointment appears to be legal under Illinois law, that the state has alternate mechanisms to preclude Blagojevich from making such an appointment (either removing him from office or requiring that the vacancy be filled by special election), and that neither Blagojevich nor Burris have yet been convicted of any wrongdoing, might tend tip the scales in favor of this being precisely the kind of discretionary decision that the Court was seeking to prevent in Powell.

If, on the other hand, Blagojevich were impeached before Burris had been sworn into the Senate, perhaps the Senate might then have the right to judge whether Burris' appointment had been nullified by that impeachment, and to exclude him if it so chose. Perhaps the Senate also has the right to judge whether Blagojevich's appointment is invalidated by the failure of Illinois' Secretary of State to certify it. These are fairly specific legal questions.

Nor am I suggesting that the Senate has no right to judge the Burris appointment on its face. But the "non-discretionary" component of that might be to judge whether the appointment was legal or not -- not merely to judge whether it was in poor taste.

At the very least, the people arguing for a narrower interpretation of Powell would seem to have to reconcile the way in which the Court distinguished exclusion from expulsion in that opinion. Amar and Chafetz argue that the distinction is merely that exclusion concerns a potential member who has not yet been seated, whereas expulsion concerns someone who already sits in the chamber. That is a perfectly commonsensical interpretation -- but it is not the one that the Court appears to have made in Powell.

83 comments

Davy said...

first!

Mike in Maryland said...

Nate said...
exclusion concerns a potential member who has not yet been seated, whereas expulsion concerns someone who has been.

And maybe Reid is planning on the 'not yet seated' argument:

From the Baltimore Sun:

"Officers could bar Burris from Senate
Democratic leaders plan response if Blagojevich appointee tries to claim Obama's seat"

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.senate01jan01,0,4062148.story

The irony is that the scandal-plagued governor Blago would be allowed onto the Senate floor should he choose, since sitting governors are allowed floor privileges.

Davy said...

Were I to adjudicate this nomination, I would look at the following criteria:

1. Did Fitzgerald have grounds for his actions? In other words, by having Blagojevich arrested did he believe that Blagojevich would make an appointment under dubious circumstances? Apparently so. Either that or Fitzgerald had his own motives for discrediting Blagojehvich's authority.

2. Did Blagojevich have ulterior motives? It appears so but not enough to indict yet. Therefore, the law is in favour of Blegojevich.

3. Was Burris' selection valid? By statute: yes. In reality: no. Burris has already been voted down by Illinois voters in several campaigns. His performance as AG seems weak at best. His complicity in Blagojehvitch's scandal indicates poor judgment and self interest.

This appointment reeks of self-indulgence on Blagojevich's part. He has basically said 'Fuck all y'all. The law says I can do it so I'm going to appoint a mediocre candidate who happens to be black. If you contest me, you're a racist'.

It may turn out to be a moot point if the Secretary of State refuses to sign off on the appointment. If not, perhaps Ried can keep this tied up until Blagojevich is impeached.

Looks like we're going to be short a couple of Senators for awhile.

wv: sclutcha - Scalia gotcha!

Davy said...

Since I already indulged in the annoying habit of being First! and of playing word verification bitch, let me finish this tri-fecta by saying

THIS IS GOOD NEWS...FOR ME!!!

Werner said...

So, let me get this straight: stalling Burris until they can get rid of Blagojevich may do the trick? Sounds like a plan.

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Juris said...

I think Davy's on the right track, by looking at the grounds for delay in admitting Burris, as opposed to the grounds for denying Burris a seat in the Senate. Nate did not touch on that.

I believe there is reason for the Senate to delay and investigate, not to evaluate Burris' qualifications but to evaluate the process by which Burris was appointed. Namely, there is reason to suspect that this process was corrupt.

Now as a practical matter, the Senate may not have the ability to investigate that issue, such as being able to subpoena documents or witnesses concerning the selection -- at least not in any timely way. Any such investigation would certainly take quite a while (probably more than the 90 days that they seem to be considering). And as a legal matter, the ability to compel witnesses to testify in such a hearing might well be challenged in the courts.

So since the Senate ultimately has another mechanism for exclusion of Burris based on evidence discovered after he is seated, perhaps the idea of delaying and investigating before seating him does not hold water on either practical or legal grounds.

Finally, it may not be in the Senate's interest to turn itself into an investigative body over the legality of the selection (election/appointment) process in every state. If that were to become precedent, the Senate would find itself acting sort of like a court of appeal on "contestations" of election outcomes in the states. Lose in the state supreme court? Take your case to the Senate Judiciary Committee. No way to run a leglislature or a government.

STepper said...

Nate, your argument hinges on Powell v. McCormack being "good law."

I know that it was a 7-1 decision (with Abe Fortas recusing himself), but with the rise of "originalism" the current SCOTUS is more mindful of the actual language of the constitution than the Warren Court.

Lead by 4 neo-(lithic)conservatives, and Kennedy, SCOTUS would, in my opinion, look at the language of the Art. 1, Section 5, and hold that "sole judge" means just that. I also think Justice Breyer would fall in with them.

fred said...

STepper - I think your legal analysis is wrong (I very seldom say this about any fellow lawyer's analysis), and Nate's is much closer to "real" analysis of both the case and the likely outcome.

Let me know who you work for, so I can be sure NEVER to hire that firm.

As to delay, yes, they likely can delay seating to look into whether there was actual taint of the Burris appointment itself and that might be enough to delay it and not seat him, although to me the whole thing seems silly. Just get Burris to agree not to run in 2010, seat him, and lets move on.

NICE JOB NATE!

joel said...

I agree this is no win situation for the democrats. If they get Burris to swear he will juts be a caretaker they should seat him and get this off the news.
Even if he wanted to run he would probably be defeated in a primary so the problem would take care of itself.
Having democrats barring a black man for the senate just looks really bad. Another possibility is hold this up and have Quinn reappoint Burrus as a caretaker. Any one who takes this seat needs to be an AA.

kelso said...

Since Blago is innocent until proven guilty (in both corruption and impeachment) it is difficult to see legal grounds for not seating his appointment. On the other hand, surely sound judgment can protect the institution of the Senate from being forced to submit to a process that has strong evidence of corruption while the legal process runs its course. One issue here is not whether the Burris appointment was corrupt or illegal. The issue is whether a corrupt process illegally excluded other qualified candidates. If the governor has corrupted the process he is no longer qualified to make the appointment.

If the Senate is required to seat Burris, there is nothing to prevent them from suspending him until a judgment can be made about the integrity of his appointment. I would say appointment by a governor currently under indictment for trying to sell the Senate seat is sufficient grounds for sanction. Keep in mind Burris himself need not be implicated, the question of a corrupted process is what is at issue.

Wayward Son said...

Whether or not the Senate has the right to exclude Burris based on the questionable nature of the appointment is not really that pressing of an issue.

The fact that they have the right to judge that appointment is.

No one could possibly question the right of the Senate to refer the appointment of Burris to a rules committee, and possibly also to an investigatory committee, stretching out the time that the Illinois legislature has to get their butt in gear and impeach Blago.

The only acceptable results for the state and the Senate are either a special election, or someone appointed by the replacement for Blago. Doing whatever they have to in order to achieve one of these results, regardless of how long it takes, is much more important than 'taking it off the front page'.

Does anyone really think the average citizen, struggling to pay bills, and wondering about their job, actually cares whether the Dems accept Burris immediately? Does anyone really think resolving this issue on Jan 5 instead of Feb 5 will matter in the slightest in 2010, or 2012?

Ever hear of the Feiler Faster thesis?

fred said...

kelsoe-

This has been argued ad infinitum here and elsewhere, but I do disagree that the taint of the process by an unindicted governor is enough. You need to show the selection of Burris himself was tainted.

At this point we only have a press conference and a release of a few tape recordings that likely would not even lead to a conspiracy charge that could stick in a court.

Anyone else think Fitzgerald asked for more time because he does not have enough to indict on the Seante seat selling charge, although he likely has enough on other charges?

Michael said...

Electoral-vote.com gives an interesting scenario. Suppose the Senate refuses to seat Burris. Suppose also that Burris or Hot Rod appeal to the Supreme Court, who rule that the Senate must seat Burris. What if the Senate still refuses to seat him? We could be seeing a landmark struggle in constitutional law. The legislative branch has seen an awful lot of its power erode recently. Maybe it will take the opporunity to seize some of it back.

How would a situation like this be resolved? I doubt the Supreme Court themselves would try to march on the Capitol to try to enforce the Court's decision. It would seem to me that Obama, the executive, would have the tiebreak vote as it were. If he refuses to enforce the Court's decision, then it would seem to me that the Senate would not have to seat Burris.

To borrow an example from electoral-vote.com, I doubt that Marbury v. Madison would have stuck if Congress and President Jefferson had stepped in and said, "Hey, wait, that's not in the Constitution. You can't do that!"

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STepper said...

@Fred

Take a look at Judge Scalia's decision in Morgan v. U.S., involving an Indiana "election": 801 F.2d 445.

Wayward Son said...

To Michael, re SC vs Sen:

Reid may have been a boxer, but I bet Scalia would have an answer..

"It's a real nice Senate you got here, Harry. You wouldn't want something to happen to it, would ya?"

Jerry said...

There's two points I don't get in all this:

1. why does anyone think it's OK for the IL secretary of state to fail to certify the appointment? It's a purely ministerial function. I suspect the courts would force the Secretary to issue the certification

2. Why would we think that a future impeachment would nullify this action? Would every action taken by Blago become null and void once he's impeached? I think not...

Some previous posters have it right on in my view: absent proof that the appointment of Burris itself is tainted, I think Senator Burris will serve most if not all of the next two years.

The smart move by the Senate seems to be to seat Burris and expel him if an impeachment or other court proceeding PROVES that the appointment itself was tainted.

Paul said...

here's my vote on what i understand about nate's argument. i think nate is wrong. because nate is trying to argue too much: that powell and other arguments make it clear that scotus would defer to blago. this is not clear. it is entirely plausible that the deference would go the other way. imagine an election in which it was found that there was a systematic exclusion of one enire segment of voters -- say african americans, or hockey moms. suppose also that none of the candidates or the election officials, from bottom to top, including the governor, were involved or even aware of this. would the senate not have the authority to judge this election flawed, and hence to reject the outcome? if so, and nate's argument works here as well, then there is very little protection of the voter in any of the seemingly explicit paragraphs of the contitution.

kelso said...

fred-
You may be right about Fitzgerald being unable to indict but his track record suggests otherwise. If he cannot then that is unfortunate and leaves little recourse. If he intends to indict it would seem to trivialize the Senate that someone could avoid consequences (including those of related impeachment) if he moves quickly enough. The political power of a Senate seat is far too great to allow that.

Wayward Son said...

1. why does anyone think it's OK for the IL secretary of state to fail to certify the appointment? It's a purely ministerial function. I suspect the courts would force the Secretary to issue the certification

Whether it is OK is a matter of personal opinion, not fact. It is ~universally agreed that Illinois law does not require the certification prior to Blago's submission to the Senate, so at a state level there would be no reason for a court to pre-emptively rule. The remedy sought by Blago/Burris would already be available to them, simply by proceeding with the appointment.

Whether the standing rules of the Senate would allow them to accept the appointment without reference to the rules committee for an exception is doubtful. It certainly would provide them a delaying step, which we can assume the majority would seek. At that point, you might get a court to order the Senate to accept the appointment without a certification, but we both know what Court that would have to be.

2. Why would we think that a future impeachment would nullify this action? Would every action taken by Blago become null and void once he's impeached? I think not...

Well, first, the Senate doesn't necessarily need an impeachment or conviction to provide cause for judging the returns as unacceptable. When an election is questioned by one candidate, the houses can make their own decision as to whether the election was fair, and refuse to accept the results. Undoubtedly, it could also be the subject of litigation.. in case you haven't noticed, ANYTHING can be the subject of litigation. But the Senate is on extremely firm ground when the subject is elections and returns, not withstanding the shaky Powell decision on qualifications.

fred said...

Interesting read STepper. Scalia is sure one arrogant dude.

That said, if one extends the dicta from this case to its end one could argue that Congress could not seat a member for ANY reason. That is an insane outcome, and takes away the power from the states which is properly theres.

Instead, what the case really says about the instant case is that the Senate can delay the seating to do a review of the circumstances of the appointment and that this becomes a non-justicialbe political question AFTER THE SENATOR IS SEATED (see Hartke cited herein) but not BEFORE he is seated.

Try re-reading with that interpretation, and then it makes sense and fits with the rest of the Constitution. If you read the case to mean that the Seante can do whatever the hell it wants, well, I think that creates huge political and constitutional questions (if this was true, don't you think Cheney's Senate would have refused to seat democrats just because they were democrats?).

Wayward Son said...

Even in Powell, the Court showed no concern with the houses arbitrarily deciding that a hangnail might disqualify someone from serving.. as long as it was with a 2/3rds vote. So we're really just arguing about the proper threshold for institutional monarchy.

In reality, the Senate and House would certainly be concerned with the appearance of their expulsions, as they very definitely do not want a 'hangnail' case to be handed to the SC as cause for intervention.

It would be very interesting to see if Scalia and Roberts would be as concerned with reinforcing the exclusivity of 'sole judge' when it is somewhat apparent that Congress will include a Democratic majority for the foreseeable future.

STepper said...

Fred - If it's not justiciable it doesn't matter when or in what posture it gets to the court. If the Senate refused to seat Democrats there would have been political hell to pay, but that's a different situation from the one currently presented.

I do agree with you that Fitzgerald doesn't appear to have enough to convict Blago for seat selling, although he can indict him any time he wants with the ham sandwiche presentation.

Delay here -- and no one denies the Senate has the power to refer Burris' appointment to committee hell -- will kill the Burris' nomination. The problem is it will leave the Senate 1 Democrat short, and Burris appears to be a reliably liberal politician. (Based on what he did as AG, he also seems supremely ambitious, although he's now 71.) If the Senate starts losing cloture votes by 1 vote, then under those circumstances the committee may report back sooner rather than later that Burris' appointment was untainted. But I doubt that will happen.

djlewis said...

All this speculation is soooo irrelevant. Reid and the Dems will make a show of trying to deny Burris his seat, and then give up when it becomes apparent how untenable the whole effort is.

In fact, they'll be tickled to have another reliable dem vote from day one, especially a 71-year old loyalist who can be quickly replaced when conditions back in Illinois are suitable.

fred said...

STepper-

It just makes no sense that this is not justiciable before the Senator is seated, as that happens all the time in both Federal and state court when we are managing the elections.

Robert said...

The point few people seem to be getting in everything I've read here and elsewhere is that if the Democrats stick together to not seat Burris it's utterly implausible that more than a handful of Republicans will vote to have him seated. The Republican party is absurdly desperate to hang Blagojevich around the Democrats necks, and blocking a Democratic effort not to seat Burris would almost completely eliminate their ability to do that.

If the Democrats vote not to seat Burris and the Republicans vote not to seat Burris there will, ipso facto, be a majority of at least two thirds voting not to seat Burris, in which case he will not be seated and will have prety much no legal argument to be seated as, under Powell, the standard for discretionary refusal of a member will have been met. The refusal to seat him will be treated by any and all courts as a valid expulsion.

fred said...

Robert-

Wrong! You can't expel before you seat, a legal impossibility.

STepper said...

Robert - You're conflating the vote needed to seat a member (50% + 1) with the vote needed to expel (2/3). You can't expel unless you've seated first. The Democrats have publicly stated they won't seat him, and they'll probably try to kill his being seated in the time honored way - by sending his appointment "return" to a committee.

But if it did come up for a vote, it would have to be on seating him first. Assume he got 20 votes to be seated, and thus was rejected. When he went to court I don't think the Senate's argument would be that there were enough votes to expel him. The vote wasn't on his expulsion.

Also, I disagree with Fred on the justiciability issue. I believe that if this somehow got to court, and worked its way to SCOTUS while Blago still had the power to appoint (if not, the nomination would be withdrawn and be truly moot), that the Court would vote 6-3 (as I have posted elsewhere) that the Senate's vote is not reviewable. (Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alioto, Kennedy and Breyer.)

Michael said...

To Wayward Son:

What power would Scalia or the Supreme Court to do anything to the Senate? They have no power to enforce their decision. That power lies with the executive branch and the President.

Just a hunch, but I think that Obama would side with Reid on this one.

Juris said...

Keep in mind that Blagoyevich's announcement of the Burris appointment is just a few days old. There has been virtually no time for the press or, say, the federal prosecutor, to investigate the relationship between Burris and Blago, or Burris' business and the state.

Letting the appointment percolate for a while may allow other relevant information to come about even if the Senate Judiciary Committee will not be able to conduct an effective investigation.

I can't see the SCOTUS mandating that Burris be seated prior to at least a brief investigation by the Senate.

STepper said...

@Juris

Probably coincidentally (but you never know -- are there any conincidences in Illinois politics?), Burris has been a big contributor to Blago.

After reading about how the nomination occurred-- Burris was Blago's second choice, and recommended to him by the first choice -- Burris is probably merely callow and ambitious rather than corrupt.

If this is referred to a Senate committee, and the Illinois legislature moves with alacrity, then the chances of Burris being seated are small.

Indeed, the best chance for seating Burris will be based on political expediency. If the Democrats in the Senate as seated next week find that they need Burris' vote to invoke cloture (doubtful), he will be reported out of committee (miraculously quickly) and he will be seated.

But don't count on Senator Burris. I don't think it's going to happen.

STepper said...

@Michael

What "power" to enforce its decision did the Supreme Court have in Bush v. Gore, since the President at the time was Bill Clinton?

Answer that question and you answer the question you have raised.

green libertarian said...

Burris appears to be a reliably liberal politician. (Based on what he did as AG, he also seems supremely ambitious, although he's now 71.)

If by liberal, and ambitious, you mean fighting tooth and nail, to get a wrongly convicted person executed by the State of Illinois:

Former Illinois attorney general Roland Burris, embattled Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s pick to replace Barack Obama in the Senate, is no stranger to controversy.

Public fury over the governor’s alleged misconduct has masked the once lively debate over Burris' decision to continue to prosecute – despite the objections of one of his top prosecutors – the wrong man for a high-profile murder case.

While state attorney general in 1992, Burris aggressively sought the death penalty for Rolando Cruz, who twice was convicted of raping and murdering a 10-year-old girl in the Chicago suburb of Naperville. The crime took place in 1983.

But by 1992, another man had confessed to the crime, and Burris’ own deputy attorney general was pleading with Burris to drop the case, then on appeal before the Illinois Supreme Court.

Burris refused. He was running for governor.
...
Burris’ role in the Cruz case was "indefensible and in defiance of common sense and common decency," Warden said. "There was obvious evidence that [Cruz] was innocent."

Deputy attorney general Mary Brigid Kenney agreed, and eventually resigned rather than continue to prosecute Cruz.
...
State prosecutors carried on with the prosecution, even after DNA evidence in 1995 excluded Cruz as the victim's rapist and linked somebody else—sex offender Brian Dugan–to the crime.



In 90’s, Burris Sought Death Penalty for Innocent Man

Lemme guess, Burris apologists will simply say, it's just politics, he was just doing his job as chief LEO in the state. Please.

Had his efforts succeeded, a man would have murdered by the State because of Burris's political calculation that had to appear as being "tough on crime".

And uh, didn't IL have a little problem with numerous capital cases such that the Republican Governor actually put a moratorium on them?

I don't care anymore by what machinations this Burris appointment is denied the seat, just that it must happen, as obviously his judgment and temperament ARE NOT suitable to be a US Senator.

The law may an ass, but justice is not. The sooner Burris disappears, the better.

As a progressive with libertarian leanings, I have a great deal of suspicion about the ultimate power of the government to incarcerate, and execute citizens of these United States. Apparently, Burris does not. Good riddance to him.

Juris said...

@STepper: I agree with you. I don't see Burris getting seated (now or ever), even with Bobby Rush and the Congressional (read: House of Representatives) Black Caucus hyping this as a lynching.

green libertarian said...

Clarification, the IL Governor put a moratorium on executions, and as I recall, commuted all death sentences to life without parole.

A further point, even AFTER Burris was no longer running for office, he pushed for the state to murder a wrongly convicted person, when the evidence was overwhelming that someone else did the crime.

STepper said...

@Green Libertarian

Yes, that is the matter that concerns me. Luckily, the accused was eventually released. I hope he got a huge monetary recovery from Illinois.

Unfortunately what AG Burris did happens all over the country, at the DA and AG level. It is a sad state of affairs (and justice) that people seem to lose their judgment when they become prosecutors. And since most are elected (the AG of Alaska is appointed -- something I was surprised to find out last year), they are politicians, too, in the worst way that term is used.

Occasional Analysis said...

Congress could easily reject Burris if it wants to. Article III of the constitution gives it the right to define the Court's appellate jurisdiction it can simply limit the jurisdiction to not cover cases involving admittance of Senate members.

It can change the jurisdiction with a simple majority ruling and the Court's original jurisdiction doesn't cover this case.

STepper said...

@Occasional

Circumscribing the court's jurisdiction has proved nettlesome in the past. It has lead to mixed results, even as recently as the Guantanamo litigation. And what makes you think there are 51 votes in the Senate (or 60) to pass that legislation?

Bottom line: It's theoretically possible but not "simple."

Ted said...

I think all this speculation about legal arguments is a waste of time. The Supremes are so corrupt that they will just rule in such a way as to create as much grief for progressives as they can, no matter what arguments are presented. Does anyone here really believe that Bush v. Gore was decided on the law?

But the Senate doesn't have to follow such a ruling, if they have any spine. The Constitution is clear, despite any politically-motivated and legally unfounded decision the SCOTUS might render. This meddling by the Supreme Court in the political process must end!

tmess2 said...

My big disagreement with most of the discussion on the Burris issue is the assumption that the appointment can be rescinded or becomes null if Blagojevitch resigns or is impeached.

Burris has been appointed. While the Secretary of State has refused to sign the certificate of appointment, Burris has filed for a writ of mandamus ordering the Secretary of State to sign the certificate. That writ is a no-brainer and should be granted relatively quickly.

I know of no provision in state or federal law that allows one governor (or President) to rescind a valid appointment of a predecessor. If Burris is properly appointed, then he is the Senator regardless of whether he has been officially seated.

I think that it is likely, as the cases on the "qualifications" issues (and there are other cases beyond Powell) suggest, that the Supreme Court (or the DC Circuit) would determine that the Senate is (like a trial judge) the final judge of the facts. However, the Senate is limited to judging the facts. They can't refuse to seat a Senator merely because they think the Governor should be impeached.

susan said...

Interesting discussion, on both sides occasionally a bit above my head, why I keep coming back.

I'm surprised noone has mentioned what is likely to be a much longer timeframe.

Given Fitzgerald's history, don't think he's going to be done in a finite number of days. Appears to me it's going to be six months or so. And with respect to whether he has "enough" I don't think he gives away much, but is persistent in historic proportions.

susan said...

Oh, and speaking of time, didn't I see somewhere that the impeachment might take longer as well?

wv, can't resist

plopsyme - poops smell same to me

fred said...

First, the Rolando Cruz affair is much more complex than is being portrayed. Burris was the AG, and his job, he felt as do many other prosecutors, is to allow the process to take place while strongly advocating the state;s position. It was not (and I do agree) his job to, on his own, decide a jury had wrongly decided Mr. Cruz' conviction and he should just be released. That is the job of the judiciary. Blaming for Burris for that is , well, a non-lawyer position.

I note this a a guy who worked at the law firm that got all the prisoner's off death row under Ryan and worked on several death penalty appeal cases.

Was the case completely screwed up? Yes, but Burris did the right thing and got the crooked prosecutor's and crooked cops off the streets and in jail. It is not the AG's job to simply decide he knows better than a judge and jury - it is the judge's job.

Cruz did get a big settlement, I am not sure how large and no monetary award can give you your life back.

Ezzie said...

@tmess,

It depends on when you think the appointment vests. Is it when Blago decides, when White is forced to deliver, or when the Senate decides you've been properly appointed?

Most people who think it can be rescinded would say the third option. In which case, its the same (essentially) as the Miers situation on the Supreme Court.

fred said...

tmess2-

The IL congress and Quinn do think the appointment of Burris is revocable, but I am not sure where they base that in the law.

fred said...

Read Lessig and Dellinger at this link on the Blago/Burris affair:

http://www.politico.com/arena/

Ezzie said...

@Fred,

The allegedly dirty prosecutors and detectives were charged after Burris left office, and were all acquitted, according to that propublica article.

A prosecutor's duty is not to the case. It is to the state, which includes a duty to do justice.

It may be somewhat different if Illinois has very decentralized prosecutors and he was essentially acting as their appellate law firm rather than their boss - he could defer some to their judgments. But unless there was a statutory requirement that he bring the case, his ethical duty is always with justice, not victory.

The better question, I think, is timing. What did he know when he made the decision?

He didn't have the DNA evidence. The gubernatorial primary was still two years off, although he probably knew he'd run.

Really, it comes down to whether the confession from the other guy appeared credible at the time and how strong Kenney's evidence of prosecutorial misconduct was at the time. It took at least another three years for them to be prosecuted - was that incompetence in the AG's office or needing to build more evidence?

fred said...

Well, I think you are over-selling the pro-publicla article. A prosecutor did resign, but she did it so publicly that I am sure there were internal questions, but how big were they and was she simply trying to make a name for herself also would have had to have been questions.

Justice is key, but without DNA, and with a conviction, it is very hard to blame Burris for thinking he had a requirement to bring the case.

The smell around IL at the time was surprisingly large, and I think many innocent people are still in prison from the era, but to think one guy could step in on a white horse and solve it is a bit loony.

Again, my comments on Burris and the prosecutors are from memory and not from trying to find news articles from the time and thus I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure he came out for the convictions of the prosecutors.

fred said...

"Rolando Cruz, who was twice convicted of the rape and murder of a 10-year-old girl seven years earlier, even though, by the time of his trial, someone else had confessed to the crime"

Cruz was convicted twice. People in prison DO confess to crimes they do not commit as well. This is not easy. Noone has yet been convicted.


Zorn is very good, and this is likely the balanced take on this.

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/12/burris-failed-his-only-major-test-in-office-as-ag.html

Also keep in mind the AG that followed Burris also pushed for charges - and he went on to lose to Blago for gov in 2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ryan_(politician)

Here is the timeline of the case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanine_Nicarico_murder_case

It was the hottest case in IL at the time.

publius said...

Burris should be rotting in jail for malicious prosecution of Cruz. When his own staff was pleading with him to drop the case, Burris pressed ahead out of political expediency. He's not just a bad guy--he's the worst sort of bad guy: a dangerous mediocrity.

green libertarian said...

Wow, as I predicted, the "he was just doing his job" defense. Just doing his job trying get the state to murder an innocent citizen in a TEXTBOOK CASE for prosecutorial misconduct and MALFEASANCE!

Which resulted not only in a innocent guy nearly getting murdered by the state, but TWO OTHER INNOCENT VICTIMS murdered as a result.

ALL of this known before Burris came into office and continued to press the case.

And you WONDER why the public has a dim view of attorneys?

Between 1984 and 1994, then DuPage County State's Attorney Jim Ryan attempted to put Rolando Cruz to death not once but three times for a crime he did not commit and we, the taxpayers of Illinois , quietly footed the bill.

The DuPage County criminal justice system first blew their chances at prosecuting Dugan to the fullest extent of the law in 1983 when the late Naperville Chief of Police, James Teal, rightly insisted -as he told a few members of the coalition when we met him at a fundraiser for Rolando Cruz and Alex Hernandez- that law enforcement should have focused their efforts on "the sexual predator profile, preferably a white young male and a loner." In the early seventies -actually since 1972- Dugan was already known in DuPage and surrounding counties as an arsonist, a burglar and as an incipient sexual predator.

One year later, former DuPage Deputy Sheriff John Sam warned those in charge of the investigation that Cruz, Hernandez and Steven Buckley, the three men originally convicted for the Nicarico crimes, were not the right men and "that the killer was out there and would kill again" -which he did, twice, murdering Donna Shnorr in 1984 and Melissa Ackerman in 1985.
...
When in 1999, Cruz, Hernandez and Buckley were paid a meager $3.5 million by the DuPage County board of trustees in compensation for their incarceration, Birkett, already DuPage County state's attorney, publicly decried that the three "may have been involved" in the Nicarico crimes.


http://www.tilljusticeisdone.com/

This is blind, stupid, foolhardy and just plain dangerous.

For all I know, Cruz, Hernandez, and Buckley were probably not model citizens. Am guessing they have convictions for violent offenses in the past. Pretty typical.

It not about them, to me, exactly. It's about a 10+ year process which was COMPLETELY bungled in the very worst ways by many prosecuters, often for political gain, and by the time this got to Burris, he KNEW, or should have KNOWN, how BADLY the state had screwed up. Instead, he basically ignored and covered up these heinous actions.

You know, I can tolerate some malfeasance and corruption that amounts to favoritism, appointments that matter, one entity being enriched unjustly at public expense.

I can't, and no decent citizen, and certainly no Officer of the Court, should tolerate this completely outrageous conduct regarding the ultimate penalty, the taking of a life. Two lives WERE taken due to this malfeasance. To add insult to injury, the state tried to murder Cruz, when they had evidence of his innocence.

As I said, by the time this got to Burris, he had a duty to ensure that justice was done. He utterly failed.

The man has NO conscious. He's NOT FIT to serve as dog-catcher.

green libertarian said...

Justice is key, but without DNA, and with a conviction, it is very hard to blame Burris for thinking he had a requirement to bring the case.

So you dispute this paragraph in the Propublica article? On what basis. Or do you think Burris wasn't STILL the AG in 1995?

State prosecutors carried on with the prosecution, even after DNA evidence in 1995 excluded Cruz as the victim's rapist and linked somebody else—sex offender Brian Dugan–to the crime.

This kind of crap to me is indefensible, PERIOD. It's like the cop that plants his "extra gun" after killing someone. The cop should be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law.

jjj1951 said...

So with the CO governor reported to have chosen a replacement for their open senate seat, that leaves only Patterson in NY yet to make an announcement. With the new congress meeting next week why is he still undecided?

fred said...

Yikes- I hate blogger. I just lost a long post.

Sorry Green, your smart ass. I misremembered. Just so you know you little prick, I am a DNA expert in these cases and am trying to get a guy off death row who I think is innocent, pro-bono. What do you for free in your spare time? What did you do for society this week?

As to Burris' - the DNA evidence alone is new evidence that should get Cruz off. It is not Burris' job or role to do it. The fact Ryan had pardon him is inexcusable.

Now get over yourself, little green man.

Tom said...

If the Senate interpret Art. I, Sec. 5 to mean they have the authority, AND there's precedent (just remember what happened after the Civil War), AND there's enough legal gurus out there who say they can do it...

then they can do it. The House and Senate pretty much have discretionary power over how the House and Senate, respectively, are ran.

And the SC won't step on their toes, if nothing else, for the prospect of Congress returning the favor onto them somehow in the future.

tmess2 said...

The issue on when the appointment vests was decided long, long, ago. In Marbury v. Madison, the Supreme Court decided that the appointment vests when the Chief Executive executes the document of appointment.

This is different from the Harriet Miers situation because Miers was nominated for a post that required Senate Confirmation.

There is no requirement for Senate Confirmation here. Burris has been appointed. The issue for the U.S. Senate is the validity of that appointment.

If it is valid, he is the Senator and a later Governor can't recall him. If it's not valid, then he is not the Senator and another person needs to be appointed.

muledriver said...

Politics done wrong.

This whole thing is a train wreck for which Harry Reid deserves most of the blame.

If this much discussion is required as to whether the Senate can do it, then that answers the question as to whether the Senate should do it.

Harry Reid is wasting everyone's time, dissipating political capital, and undermining the ability to quickly seat Franken.

green libertarian said...

Wow, attack the messenger, that's your game, Fred?

Wow, impressive!

As to my numerous social justice activities, it's none of you freakin' business. And any anon idiot can claim they're the new Mother Teresa on the internets, a series of tubes.

Let me repeat the question, in context:

Justice is key, but without DNA, and with a conviction, it is very hard to blame Burris for thinking he had a requirement to bring the case.
-Fred

So you dispute this paragraph in the Propublica article? On what basis? Or do you think Burris wasn't STILL the AG in 1995?

State prosecutors carried on with the prosecution, even after DNA evidence in 1995 excluded Cruz as the victim's rapist and linked somebody else—sex offender Brian Dugan–to the crime.

Opus 132 said...

MD finally gets one right.

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green libertarian said...

When Burris appears at the door of Senate Chamber, I fully expect Republican operatives, trying to make hay, and/or hard-core Burris supporters, to be there, in front of the media, with signs that read:
SENATE-WHITES ONLY.

The "silly season" ain't over 'til it's over.

Searching For Pericles said...

While Powell is indeed an important decision in this area, one that is totally ignored is Marbury v. Madison.

In that case, an outgoing President (Adams) had made an appointment to a Justice of the Peace position in DC (Marbury). But his Secretary of State (Marshall) refused to deliver the commission. The incoming President (Jefferson) directed his Secretary of Sate (Madison) to refuse to the deliver the appointment and made appointments of his own.

The SCT decided:

1) The decision of the SoS NOT to deliver a valid commission/appointment is ministerial, NOT discretionary.

2) Since the SoS is legally bound to deliver a valid commission, he can be made to do so via a writ of mandamus.

3) Marbury had a legal right to the commission (even though another had been subsequently appointed), and the judiciary must provide a remedy for the denial of a legal right.

4) However, since Marbury filed his case in the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court only has appellate, not original, jurisdiction over writ of mandamus cases, he lost.

How does that impact the Blago case?

1) Blago has the right to make the appointment.

2) Burris is a legal appointment.
3) The SoS (White) must certify the appointment and deliver it to the Congress.
4) Burris has a legal right to the appointment, even if a subsequent governor appoints someone else.

5) As long has he doesn't file in the Supreme Court first, but goes there on appeal.

Thus, this whole "delay" strategy from the Dems is pointless.

The options are as follows:

1) Refuse to seat him (blocked by Powell v. McCormack).

2) Delay the process until Blago is replaced and someone else is picked (blocked by Marbury v. Madison).

3) Expel a person who has no ethical issues (need 2/3 vote).

I'd just love for them to try that. Didn't this body just give a convicted felon a standing ovation? Were all of his votes cast after conviction (or indictment) tainted as well? Why didn't they expel Stevens?

Blago hasn't been convicted, or even indicted at this point.

This sad story reveals that Democrats are just as likely as the GOP to flout the rule of law whenever it suits their political purposes.

This despite the fact that we have a former Constitutional Law Professor in the White House.

We are in far more trouble in this country than I realized.

fred said...

Can you read? I said I made a mistake!

That does change the fact that Burris activities as AG are defensible, and the failures in the judiciary and with the incredible lying IL cops are the time are larger culprits in this.

Did you read the rest of the facts? Nah, who needs facts, you are the knee jerk liberal not thinking kind.

As for attacking the messenger you attacked me.

Amazing how most of the scholars I actually respect are lining right up behind the position I have held from day one on this...

fred said...

tness2-

Nice analysis, but doesn't state law control when this vests?

Tom said...

You guys can argue about court proceedings and rulings all you want, but the fact remain that the Senate and the House can seat whomever the hell they want to seat...or not. They've done it in the past (again, post Civil War) so there's precedent, and since they're a co-equal branch of the government, on a procedural matter, the SC is not going to get into a direct pissing contest with them.

If Reid and the Democratic caucus want to seat the guy, they will. If they don't, they won't. Period.

Court cases won't factor in. People are seriously over-thinking this one, and the bulk of public opinion will be on the Senate's side if they refuse.

hijadelSol said...

@ Occasional,

Congress cannot eliminate jurisdiction entirely. Sure, they could remove it from SCOTUS's docket, but then the court of final appeal would be a Circuit Court, or some other court of Congress's choice or creations. That really wouldn't do any good, unless they arbitrarily decided to give appeallate hearing rights to a court they knew would side with them ... which would be fairly corrupt, even if legal.

tmess2 said...

Fred, it's a mixed federal-state question because it is for a federal office. The federal part makes it impossible to rescind once it vests.

As to the state part, Burris has already filed his petition for mandamus in Illinois to order the Secretary of State to execute the certificate of appointment. Under state statutes, it is clear that it vests when Blagojevitch made the appointment.

The bottom line is that delay is not an effective strategy to block Burris. It is an appropriate strategy to investigate to see if there if the appointment was improperly procured, but, if there is no evidence of fraud or bribery as to Burris being appointed, the Senate will ultimately have to seat Burris.

holy crapo said...

Just think: if McCain had won, there'd be none of this brouhaha!!

Mike in Maryland said...

I think a lot of the scenarios won't play out unless/until the Illinois SoS signs the appointment.

Current Senate rules state that a Senator shall not be seated unless and until a signed affidavit, signed by the SoS is presented.

Is the SoS REQUIRED to sign the affidavit of appointment? Jerry says "It's a purely ministerial function." Even if the SoS has some reason (real, imagined, or otherwise) to think there was impropriety involved in the situation to not sign, but signs it anyway because it is 'ministerial'? Isn't that just the 'just following orders' defense? And we know what the US has stated is wrong with that defense.

In all 'ministerial' functions, the question of whether the function can be carried out revolves on the question of whether all rules and laws were followed in the evolution to the SoS actually signing off on the action. If error was made, was it correctable (pre- or post-signing)? If not, then is a 'just ministerial' function still legal?

Remember, the 'just following orders' defense is applicable when the person using that defense has shown reason that they did NOT know what they were doing was, or might be, considered illegal. It is not a valid defense if they knew, or should have known, that it was, or could be, considered, illegal. Even soldiers are allowed to not follow orders if they have valid reason to believe the orders they are given are not legal. Note - I stated 'VALID'. And it is up to the soldier to show the basis for that reasoning.

If the SoS is NOT required to sign the appointment documents, can he/she be forced to sign them? That is a question that will go to the courts, but if the SoS is NOT required to sign the appointment documents, and the current Senate rules require the signature of the SoS, then the newly elected and/or appointed Senator cannot be seated.

IIRC, the Senate operates on the rules of the previous Senate until the rules for the new Senate are approved by a 50% + 1 vote. In this case, I don't think the new Senate rules would contain no reference to needing the SoS signing off on a Senate appointment. In other words, the old and new Senate rules will contain the SoS signature requirement.

In any case, the question about whether the SoS needs to sign or not sign could take at least a week or more to determine, possibly up to a month. And while that is being adjudicated, the Senate can refuse to seat Burris, since his appointment would not be in compliance with Senate rules. If and when the question about the SoS signing off is determined, the clock would reset for any further action on the question of seating Burris.

Bob X said...

@fred: I could not possibly disagree with you more profoundly on the duties of a prosecutor. His oath is to uphold the law. His job is not to make sure every person arrested rightly or wrongly rots in jail for the maximum time he can manage, or dies, it is to see that those who have actually broken the law are punished. He has great power, and ought to show great responsibility in the exercise of that power.
I had a friend die in prison for a crime he did not commit, as the prosecutor and the judge knew damned well. I had evidence that officials of the state perjured themselves in the trial, and sent it to the state attorney general, whose office sided totally with the prosecutor and was very nasty with me. The bitch (Jennifer Granholm) is serving out her second term as governor, but to me she will always be first and foremost an accessory to homicide.

DCM in FL said...

BOB

I had a similar situation a few years ago in LA. The DA & prosecutors & police had absolutely no interest in making sure justice was done - they were more concernied with covering their asses politically, putting SOMEONE in jail [for petty charges trumped up to felonies] because a superior court judge was the alleged 'victim', and since it was an election year no one in the DA's office wanted a 'loss' on their record.

My friend had lived in LA for several years then moved to back to his hometown of NYC. The LA police had him extradicted using faulty arrest warrants, jailed in LA County for 6 weeks during the holidays & held 'incognito', and tried to rush him to trial despite clear & compelling evidence that he had no involvement in the alleged crime [credit card use].

When I got involved, I was fortunate that the case had a decent judge who went out of his way to listen to me, froze the proceeding in the prelim stages & even pushed them backwards, ordered the DA to stop & review the case, forced the DA to lower the bail from 500K to 50K so he could bond out of jail [before the DA went away for the holidays when he intended to make the 'prisoner' rot in jail longer...

My brother in MN is a PI, who came out pro bone to help prove his complete innocence [even though he was skeptical] - the police had even convinced my friend's family that he 'must be guilty' because the police & DA do not have innocent people arrested !!!

But by raising a ruckus for months, we finally got a new decent prosecutor assigned to the case [the 3rd one to handle the hot potato]. He was a former fed prosecutor who quickly saw the case was rotten & that all the police & DA were after was a warm body rather than the guilty party [the police told me they knew he wasn't involved - but that he must be guilty of something [he was an AA] & they wanted him to role over & give them something on someone else - he would have except he had never been in trouble & had nothing to trade].

We finally got the case & all charges dismissed, but never even an appology - no thanks ever to the police or the original prosectors... Unfortunately, the entire affair & the suspicion it threw on my friend & his time in jail broke his spirit + his health & he died 18 months later.

I moved to FL then because I had so pissed off the police, sheriffs & DA that they had ME under survelliance & harrassed me trying to create something/anything against me !!!

so I am now extremely skeptical anytime a prosecutor or the police just make unsubstantiated general charges against people for expedient purposes...

I found out that our legal system is not really 'innocent until proven guilty' - it actually is the reverse in that they can put the onus on the 'accused' & leverage the court & legal system against the individual who has limited resources & does not know how to defend themselves in the early stages of the proceedings.

fwiw

Opus 132 said...

I read a horror story like this about once a month in the New york Times.Sickening !

What will happen if newspapers like the Times fade away and we're left only with sound bite reporting and no in-depth investigative reporting.

I shudder to think of it.

DCM in FL said...

OPUS

well there is always Dateline... but they only want to catch sexual predators that they can easily entrap.

In LA I couldn't get the newspapers & media to cover it [until afterwards] or to get free legal aid because these types of cases are so everyday commonplace that the shock & awe are missing

and since it doesn't 'bleed' [as in a death or beating] then the case doesn't lead as they say in the media...

of course,, if the accused is a celeb THEN the case would get over-covered ala OJ...

or if the 'victim' is a cute white child [like Caylee] here in central FL, even though they are ignoring the numerous other cases involving children of color who have gone missing

I already shudder on a regular basis I hate to admit

Opus 132 said...

theuptake.com will provide live coverage of the counting of 953 absentee ballots today (Saturday) at 9:00AM Central Time.

(Assuming the Minnesota Supreme Court doesn't stop the counting.)

Mike in Maryland said...

How many times have we've heard a prosecuting attorney, especially in an appeal, state that 'a jury convicted them, that's why I'm pursuing this case?'

And when they say 'pursuing this case', they don't mean fighting for the facts to be revealed, whether those facts help or hurt the original conviction, but to fight the appeal, thus upholding the original conviction.

Mike in Maryland said...

Impeachment vote in the Illinois House as early as next week?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.briefs032jan03,0,4715200.story

Darren Lenard Hutchinson said...

The Amar article has received a serious smackdown on ConLawProf - a strictly academic blog hosted by Volokh. I am actually surprised Amar made the argument -- especially the part about the Senate hold "brute" authority. Sounds so violent.

Darren Lenard Hutchinson said...

A "quickie" impeachment, without the testimony of material witnesses? Great. Democrats EQUAL GOP. This is ridiculous. The worst thing about Bush's kangaroo courts is that, until the courts intervened, they deprived witnesses of evidence against them, and other abuses. Glad to see Illinois wants to replicate this. If Blago has committed an impeachable offense, shouldn't the state have to prove this in a reliable proceeding?

TRV said...

I disagree with those who believe that Burris became Senator on the appointment of the Governor. The 17th Amendment and relevant state statute do not state when the position vests. Other laws and rules do. The relevant Illinois statute follows U.S. Senate Standing Rule II in requiring the counter signature of the Secretary of State. Until White signs the document or more likely a court orders him to do so Burris is a mere nominee. Normally the issue would be clear that White should sign as a ministerial act, but the language of the Rule and statute may give him some play when the issue is briefed and decided.

Vicki Rosenzweig said...

Patterson hasn't said who he'll pick because the seat isn't yet open. It's unlikely that Clinton won't become Secretary of State, but not impossible. (A week ago, everyone was assuming Richardson would be in the Obama cabinet.)

It's likely that Patterson has made up his mind. He has little to gain by announcing things at this point, if so.

egapre said...

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