1.03.2009

In Minnesota, End of the Beginning Starts Today

UPDATE (10:30 AM): Apparently, when officials in Hennepin County asked the Coleman campaign why they wanted "new" absentee ballots included in the recount, they were not able to detail why the county had rejected those ballots in error. A lot of the actions the Coleman campaign is taking right now are engineered with an eye toward raising doubt about the process to create more public sympathy in the (inevitable) event of an election contest. It may be that the extra absentee ballots they identified are something of a distraction ploy.

UPDATE (9:48 AM): The state will now begin counting the ballots; see The Uptake for live video coverage. The Supreme Court has not yet ruled on Coleman's petition, nor was the recount team in St. Paul willing to delay the counting until it heard from the Court.

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At 9 AM local time, Minnesota officials will begin counting more than 900 absentee ballots mutually agreed upon by the campaigns to have been wrongfully rejected -- unless they don't.

If it proceeds unimpeded, the counting of absentee ballots is likely to bolster Franken's lead, as proportionately more rejected absentees were identified in counties won by Franken. If we simply allocate out the absentees in each county based on the proportion of the November 4th vote (.pdf) received by each candidate, that would imply 414 ballots for Franken, 383 for Coleman, and 156 for "other", adding 31 votes to Franken's lead.

The apparent edge for Franken comes as each campaign has had essentially a unilateral veto to prevent any particular absentee ballot from being opened and counted. Initially, based on a review of the process in Democratic stronghold St. Louis county, it appeared that the Coleman campaign was being far more aggressive than the Franken campaign in exercising its veto. Information gathered by additional counties by the Star Tribune, however, suggests that this may not be the case, and that the Franken campaign has been at least as aggressive as Coleman in exercising its veto.

The Star Tribune has reported on the disposition of absentee ballots in six counties, including the "Big 3" blue counties (Hennepin, Ramsey, St. Louis) won by substantial margins by Franken on election day, as well as three smaller counties won by Coleman.


In the Big 3 counties, Coleman vetoed about 18 percent of absentee ballots, Franken 11 percent, and 2 percent were vetoed by county officials, leaving slightly less than 70 percent of the ballots to be opened and counted.

Interestingly, however, in both Ramsey and Hennepin Counties, Franken actually vetoed more ballots than Coleman. There are some number of red precincts in each of these counties, and so it is possible that the Franken vetoes came in those areas. It is also possible, however, that the Franken campaign has better information than the Coleman campaign. Although the absentee ballots are sealed, the name of the voter in question can be identified, and a campaign that had superior voter lists could in fact do some very precise cherry-picking.

In the three smaller red counties that the Star Tribune identified, Franken vetoed 28 percent of the ballots, and county officials and the Coleman campaign almost none. The overall fraction of the ballots forwarded to the state from these counties was 68 percent.

To be clear, both campaigns seem inclined to employ the veto power provided to them by the state to their utmost advantage. If, however, Coleman is engaging in macro-level cherry picking (moving to reject ballots based on the characteristics of the county), and Franken is engaging in micro-level cherry picking (moving to reject ballots based on the characteristics of the voter as provided for by his voter databases), then Coleman may be at a substantial disadvantage, and Franken is likely to gain more ground from the counting of the absentees than the 31 votes we implied above.

The contingency is that the Coleman campaign is once again back in court, having filed an motion for emergency order (.pdf) with the state Supreme Court on Wednesday. The motion ostensibly seeks a uniform standard for the counting of absentee ballots -- something which, by all available evidence, the process that the court initially established for the counting of absentees, in giving each campaign an essentially arbitrary and unilateral veto, did a poor job of ensuring.

Coleman's motion is fairly sneaky, however, because the relief he is specifically requesting is his motion is not to blow the whole thing up and start the absentee ballot process again over, but rather, for the inclusion of about 650 absentee ballots, mostly from heavily red counties, that have already been identified by his campaign as being wrongfully rejected, but which were not identified as such by the respective counties. The Franken campaign, for its part, identified 80-90 such ballots.

Coleman is trying to thread the needle here. On the one hand, he knows that if the state counts the absentee ballots as is, they are only likely to add to Franken's margin. On the other hand, if the state started the process completely over, Franken might conceivably also identify hundreds more absentee ballots that he believed had been ignored by the county officials. Basically, Coleman wants the state to permit his 650 ballots to be counted -- as well as Franken's 90 -- and then to freeze things in place.

Any of a variety of rulings from the court are possible; we may know the outcome within the hour.

47 comments

Skeptic said...

It will be interesting to watch the Republican spin machine kick into high gear if Franken holds a lead after the remaining ballots are counted. Coleman's team had been somewhat muted in their criticisms of the SoS Ritchie and the CB until this week when they saw the handwriting on the wall as to how the recount would probably end. Expect a full court press as they move towards certification.

Brad said...

How reality based is Coleman? Will he sure? Will the repubs in the Senate really refuse to seat Franken if he is the certified winner?

Spam210wal said...

Coleman is slime.

Skeptic said...

I think Sen. Cornyn's filibuster threat on seating Franken is hollow. I didn't think they could use the filibuster on procedural matters.

If Franken is certified as the winner he will be seated. Coleman can go ahead with the challenge there is no reason for the Senate to wait months when a winner has already been certified.

Bup said...

You raise an excellent point, Nate, that I have not seen elsewhere. Many media outlets have recognized that the court's decision to allow candidates to veto absentee ballots is ridiculous on the face of it.

It hadn't occurred to me, though, that each absentee ballot VOTER'S NAME is available to each campaign. How stupid are jurists in Minnesota?

green libertarian said...

Without knowing how the precincts voted that these AE's are from, only the counties, hard to predict how these are going to break, 'cause in every red county you have some precincts that are very blue and vice-versa.

I believe the "losing" side has to file an election contest in Ramsey county, and that's certain to happen.

In most states, the names and addresses of all voters are public knowledge, absentee or not. Generally, you can also find out in what elections have they voted in recent history.

MN doesn't register voters by party, so that info is not known, except to the extent the campaigns have gathered it, from donation databases and such.

My guess is both campaigns have an idea on how many of the AE's lean, by precinct tally and other data available about the voter, such as public records of campaign donations.

Alex S. said...

Is there a single clear reason why Coleman was ahead before and Franken is ahead after the recount? Legal decisions, counting mistakes, democratic advantage among first-time voters, or just chance?

e3323 said...

@Alex S: Many things:

1) In a few counties there were outdated machines that were, for whatever reason, not scanning some votes correctly.

2) They found a few errors when they verified the totals again in a few counties. Nothing to do with the votes themselves but the total.

3) They found some votes in the backseat of someone's car. Conservatrolls like to bring this up (claiming franken is cheating somehow) however these were found to be 100 percent legit votes.

4) The challenge process added to Franken's total. First time voters were overwhelmingly democratic this election and they (first time voters) are more likely to make mistakes.

Spam210wal said...

e3323: It's also worth noting, contrary to Republican talking points, that the votes found in the car did not all go to Franken.

e3323 said...

@Spam210wal: I have never heard them claim that ALL of thse votes went to franken but then again i dont spend my worthwhile time listening to conservatrolls. While all the votes didnt go to franken he did net 30some votes so it did benefit him. But the big thing is these votes were compeltely legit and correct me if im wrong but not even the desperate coleman camp is claiming these votes were not legit as far as i know.

Anyways i dont think this is the "end of the beginning" but rather the beginning of the end. I expect a definitive conclusion to every senate seat this month (Minnesota, New York and even Illinois)

Alex S. said...

Thanks,
I am still amazed and somewhat annoyed that the outcome of the race could still change due to some unforeseen development - even though the election was 2 months ago.

LDW said...

As a Texan engineer I have been much more interested in the process than who the eventual winner will be. And I must say that I have been very impressed with Minnesota. Given the slight margin of one candidate over the other, I cannot imagine any other state faring so well with its recount process.

I have no doubt that both campaigns are doing what they can (within certain bounds) to become the winner. As long as the bounds are not totally unreasonable, who would expect otherwise. And the MnSC has warned both campaigns of the consequences of being totally unreasonable during the latter part of this process.

I don't believe the MnSC has made a huge error in its initial ruling of how the "wrongly rejected" absentee ballots are to be identified - if it is recognized that they are looking ahead to the inevitable election contest that will follow the recount.

They have set up a scenario where a lot of weight can be given to challenges where 2 out of 3 participants agree with the challenge (especially since one of the participants will be "neutral" county officials), and very little weight needs to given to challenges supported by only one participant.

Thus it is very important that the counties review each campaign-challenged ballot. So the MnSC will no doubt instruct counties (who may have chosen not to do so) that they must review all ballots identified by either campaign as potientially "wrongly rejected".

Tim Boyer said...

The feed is down. The servers are overloaded.

It's been Nate-dotted!

Rob S said...

So Franken is disenfranchising voters who are likely to not vote for him? That seems particularly wrong. Of course what Coleman is doing is equally wrong. Al should have gone for the all or nothing strategy. It seems ridiculous that this kind of thing can happen.

fred said...

I thought it was Coleman disenfranchising voters, as Franked wanted ALL the ballots counted.

That feed is worse than watching grass grow. How can something be too boring for me? This may be a new first.

Juris said...

@Rob: Franken is playing the game according to the dumb rules that MN SC set up. His preferred approach was to count all of the absentee ballots (since that favored him); Coleman's was to count only a selected subset of them. And since the two parties had to agree on any ballot, they end up having to play a guessing game -- or a war of canvassers.

Juris said...

@fred: you have to pick your seasons. Around here the grass isn't growing at all this time of year. So that feed is wonderful video action (when it's working; otherwise it looks like the snow I'm seeing outdoors).

tmess2 said...

Had the pleasure of reading the Hennepin County response to Coleman's motion. The essence of the Hennepin County response is that the stuff being slung by the Coleman campaign is pure B.S.

According to Hennepin County, the list of add-ons from the Coleman campaign did not include any suggestion as to why the Coleman campaign thought that the County was wrong in excluding the absentee ballots. On the other hand, the Franken list did include such information.

In either case, since the rule set forth by the Court required the consent of both campaigns to the ballot being counted, when the Coleman campaign objected to all of Franken's add-ons and the Franken campaign objected to all of Coleman's add-ons there was no need for further examination of the ballots. Since Coleman's request for relief would not solve this problem in any of the counties (simply shifting the forum to St. Paul instead of the regional meetings), it is beyond frivolous.

Charles Danforth said...

I for one will be really glad when this is over. I almost don't care how it ends up anymore. Almost.

Juris said...

@tmess2: Thanks for the information. I hadn't been aware that Franken had also nominated additional ballots to be qualified for review.

jerry.davidson said...

Paul Wellstone will be very happy when Franken wins and is certified. And so will I. I plan on making it the lean on my web site once I stop cheering.

www.LiberalsWin.com

loner said...

A couple of things from earlier threads:

Both campaigns expect that Franken will still lead after the absentee ballots agreed by all parties, per the process agreed to by all parties, to have been wrongly rejected are counted.

That's why the Coleman campaign had a list of additional ballots that the responsible county officials had already determined were rightly rejected that they wanted reconsidered on Monday evening and why, after two days of meetings at the county level where the campaigns were able to veto ballots selected as wrongly rejected by the responsible county officials, they asked the Minnesota Supreme Court to order a new process.

My best guess is that the Minnesota Supreme Court will say no because the process currently being brought to a conclusion is a process all parties agreed to.

So, the State Canvassing Board will certify a result this weekend if things go as I expect.

Then there will be a contest. This is the relevant statute regarding how and when the winner will be certified to the United States Senate. It may take awhile depending on what the losing candidate, certain public officials and the courts decide to do.

Juris said...

Based on what we just heard on "The Uptake," it looks like the counting of absentee ballots won't finish and a count reported by the Canvassing Board til Sunday. That count would be submitted and likely certified by the Secretary of State on Monday or Tuesday, but would not take effect for at least 8 days, in order to allow 7 days for any challenge or contestation by either party to be adjudicated.

This is all independent of whatever the MN SC might decide in the meantime. But I agree with the previous comment that the MN SC is unlikely to allow a change in the rules of the game at this stage based on the Coleman challenge.

jdk said...

Time for Nate or someone to subject counts to Benford's Law.

Zane said...

For the record, Coleman isn't doing anything close to micro-targeting with his vetos. The election judge who got some notoriety this week for being rejected by the Coleman campaign has said that she voted for Coleman

tedb said...

No votes were "found in the backseat of a car." Some absentee ballots could not be delivered to some precincts on time to be counted before the polls closed. They were taken back to an elections office and stored in a secure room.

Opus 132 said...

Isn't there a running count of today's AE tabulation?

Mark said...

I just find it sad that democracy was so unappealing to at least one of the major parties in this election that this recount has become a battle of wits between lawyers.

If the pattern of Coleman's lawyers presenting worse legal arguments holds, Al Franken is the junior senator for the state of Minnesota.

KWRegan said...

@jdk: I gave an example of a "binary" form of Benford's Law in an earlier thread here. See also the next-last pgh of this.

Regarding John Lott, I posted a summary of his academic misdeeds in a friend's blog here. And "lovable liberal" analyzed Coleman's 16 re-review challenges in detail: part1, part2, part3. Has anyone else done a similar review? More to my point, when I wrote that there was "considerable overlap" between Lott's and Coleman's lists, I wondered whether they might essentially coincide. Checking this would need seeing if the STrib links I found (newly?) broken when I posted have been fixed, chasing down ballots and rulings, and other legwork I may not have time for and wonder if anyone's done.

Just back from a great long holiday vac, seems like I haven't missed a single vote being counted, so far not even today! (@Opus 132: no tabulation yet, nada.) My quick take on recent posts and comments is that Coleman's rational strategy is (*) to keep Franken's edge below the margin of "reasonable doubt" over double-counting, which I've seen pegged at upwards of 150. This doubt might prevent the Senate from seating Franken even with certification, and the ultimate goal is a re-vote, as happened in the NH precedent. Apparently, Coleman's gaming (especially in St. Louis county) forced Franken to abandon a lily-white count-all-legal-votes-now policy, which also helps muddy waters for the contest phase. Clarity and resolution are simply not in his interests, and haven't been since the first day of the recount when it was clear Franken would gain.

WV "conse": now we have to wait for the quences.

ABowers said...

As of 4:30 PM EST, they were opening and numbering all the absentee ballots. They have been at it since 10:30 this morning. Hope they finish soon as they will NOT start actually counting till they finish.
For fellow obsessed watchers, there are copies of the briefs filed by the Franken campaign, the county election officials and Coleman that were sent to the Supreme Court. (Google it.)
Franken's brief is excellent per ususal. Coleman's doesn't even make sense.
Franken requests the Supreme Court reject the Coleman request because:1. One - it is too late. Coleman's request for considering 600+ additional ballots did not get to the SOS on Monday by 3:00 pm.
2. Coleman first agreed to the procedure used and now is contesting the procedure. Legally you cannot have it both ways -Estoppel.
3. The 600+ plus additional absentee ballots that Coleman wants added make no sense. They have already been reviewed and rejected at least twice. The few that were reviewed for a third time this week were rejected again.
4. The order from the Supreme Court was faithfully followed by all concerned.
5. I carefully read the procedures the counties were to use to evaluate the rejected absentees and the procedures were very exact and well thought out. Proof was required at every step of the way.
The only real argument would be that Franken wrongly rejected some ballots but that point was never raised!!
The Supremes are going to reject this motion and Franken is going to win.

Blame said...

I would say that this election is decending into farce, but nobody spins out a joke this long, not even a pro like Franken.

Even a shaggy dog story would have setttled down & raised puppies by now.

WV sphati - A close relative of the custard pie this authentic Italian version of spagetti & meatballs is airodynamicaly designed for throwing.

John Emerson said...

The count has started (about 5 pm). Can be watched here: http://theuptake.com/

just_looking said...

I'm watching it live, and Franken is running away with it - now ahead by over 170 votes overall.

If this holds up, the rest may be moot.

DCM in FL said...

FRANKEN ahead by 223

with 788 of 952 absentee ballots already counted

with only 164 remaining, Norm cannot catch up by my calcs...

just_looking said...

looks like Franken is up by over 220 with all votes counted. Will Coleman concede?

obsessed said...

over now, and still at 223 gain for Al.

Davy said...

@Alex S.

"Is there a single clear reason why Coleman was ahead before and Franken is ahead after the recount? Legal decisions, counting mistakes, democratic advantage among first-time voters, or just chance?"

Margin of Error also plays a role here. If you were able to do the recount multiple times, the probability of getting the exact same total number of ballots each time is slim. But you would likely get a more accurate idea of who got the most votes. For ex. if you conducted 10 recounts, Franken may have gotten higher totals in eight out of 10 recounts even though the final tally might be different each time due to computer or human error. It's one of the reasons 538 works so well is that Nate runs the simulations multiple times. And it seem as if we'll be going for best 2 out 3 in the MN race unless a court stops the madness. Or your tantrums over which ballots are valid are successful enough to massage the numbers in your favour. Usually the candidate who is doing that already knows the odds are unfavourable.

obsessed said...

interesting spreadsheet:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=ps4WhWhMtWl0dvl90V0FUDQ&output=html&gid=0

they're now saying after counting the new lead is 223 (which includes the previous lead of 49)

DCM in FL said...

oops, yeah the count did end apparently with Al +223 [+/1]...

my 164 missing ballots were either DQ/undervotes or went to Barkley which makes sense

the 788 cumulative votes went to Franken & Colmean totals...

marieburns said...

Great news!! Up by 223 based on judge's voice call!

John Emerson said...

The whole net swing from the unofficial election night report until right now was about 1000 votes out of 2.3 million, or about 0.04%. That's a tiny swing. Some changes went one way, some the other, and the net was about 1000.


It went Franken's way, but it was going to go one way or the other (it was very unlikely to stay exactly the same.) There's nothing strange to explain. It was just an incredibly close election with a tiny adjustment at the end.

Davy said...

About to hold a conference. Expected to call the results...

Davy said...

As you might expect Franken campaign expects to claim victory and the Coleman lawyers are saying they will contest the results.

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