Chris Bowers makes the case that the four retiring Republican senators -- George Voinovich, Mel Martinez, Sam Brownback and Kit Bond -- are a potential source of Democratic votes. This makes a lot of intuitive sense: it's fairly safe to assume that Congressmen are always are concerned about re-election above all else, and if re-election is no longer on the table for them, presumably they might be more inclined to buck the party line.
I set up a very simple experiment to test this hypothesis, however, and it came up somewhat wanting.
Five Republican Senators retired in advance of the 2008 elections: Wayne Allard of Colorado, Larry Craig of Idaho, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, Pete Domeninci of New Mexico, and John Warner of Virginia. If the theory is correct, then these senators should have shown somewhat more moderate voting records in 2008 and perhaps 2007 than they had in the past.
Below are the Americans for Democratic Action ratings provided for these senators over each of the eight years of George W. Bush's presidency. The ADA is a liberal interest/advocacy group. I use their ratings instead of someone else's as a matter of convenience, since (i) they break their ratings down into individual years, rather than two-year blocks, providing for a greater degree of resolution; and (ii) they already have their 2008 ratings out, and almost nobody else does. Higher ratings indicate a more liberal position ... a rating of 100 means you're Bernie Sanders.
At first glance, it appears that the five retiring Senators did in fact become more liberal in their last couple of years in office. Their average ADA rating was just a 10 over the period from 2001-2006, but jumped up to a 23 in 2007 and an 18 in 2008:
This analysis is not terribly complete, however, because the ADA ratings do not have any one particular standard that carries forward from year to year. Instead, they pick a miscellany of issues that they deem to be important each year, and record each Senator's vote on them. In some years, it might be inherently easier for Republican senators to appear more liberal, depending on what issues the ADA happens to be looking at. This is something to be particularly mindful of as we transition between 2006 and 2007/08, since the Democrats took over the Congress at that point.
So what we need to do is to set up a control group. Let's pair each of the retiring senators with another Republican who is not retiring but who was relatively similar ideologically and/or geographically:
Allard (CO) <--> Enzi (WY)
Craig (ID) <--> Crapo (ID)
Hagel (NE) <--> Grassley (IA)
Domenici (NM) <--> Hatch (UT)
Warner (VA) <--> Lugar (IN)
Our control group consists of Mike Enzi, Mike Crapo, Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, and Dick Lugar. Here's how the ADA rated those senators:
As you might have detected, the ratings for the control group closely tracked that of the retiring senators over each year of the study. There is no evidence, in other words, that the retiring senators became more moderate relative to their non-retiring colleagues:
Now, I do think there are certain types of votes where a retiring senator is more likely to break ranks. These are votes on policies, perhaps like the various federal bailouts, that are widely unpopular but are arguably a necessary evil. Retiring congressman were more likely to vote for the TARP package last summer, and as Bowers points out, for the auto bailout a few weeks ago.
On the whole, though, there doesn't seem to be much movement. Perhaps old senators -- like most old people -- are fairly set in their ways. Perhaps also they are voting their conscience -- but being Republicans, they have a fairly conservative conscience.
Most of the key pieces of the Obama agenda, moreover, are fairly popular -- the "big three" agenda items of the stimulus, health care, and energy policy certainly included. If I'm Obama, I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have someone like Voinvoich or Martinez subject to the usual electoral constraints on these issues than being free to vote their conscience.
1.13.2009
Do Retiring Republicans Mellow Out?
by Nate Silver @ 11:17 AM
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I think your last statement is closest to the truth. In a time in which the public is shifting more liberal and there is a very popular Democratic president, I think the pressure to cross party lines will be higher on GOP Senators who have to respond to electoral pressure rather than those who have decided to retire. This is particularly true of Voinovich and Martinez who are coming from states won by Obama.
The assumption that a Republican would become more liberal when approaching retirement seems a weak one. It is likely that to get involved in Republican politics they are further to the right than the average voter in their state (more Republican), and that therefore they might tend to liberalise their voting patterns when they have to worry about reelection. Taking away the spectre of losing an election might actually remove the brakes and make them more right wing.
The same can be said for Democrats and others...
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Not that it will really change his vote, but Voinovich just spoke at Hillary's confirmation hearings. From the liveblog at the WaPo (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2009/01/13/live_from_the_clinton_confirma.html)
By Glenn Kessler
11:48 a.m.
Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, a Republican who is retiring, just now love-bombed Clinton and Obama. He notes that a couple of years ago he got to know retired Marine Gen. James Jones and wondered, "Why can't we get this guy in the administration?" Now, Jones is Obama's national security adviser. Voinovich goes on to heap praise on Defense Secretary Robert Gates and on Clinton herself.
I think that it may not be a case of Extremes becoming more moderate as they get older -- rather the case of senators becoming disillusioned with their party after the executive office loses their way after 8 years.
Hagel and Warner retired in a large part because they were unhappy with the direction of their party. They were pretty vocal critics before their retirements.
Craig and Domenici "retired" mostly because of ethical reasons, and Domenici could be ill. In Craig's case, I think he had no intention of retiring, so he supported his party's vote to the end.
Don't hold your breath expecting Brownback to go liberal. He advocates a flat tax, which is even more to the right than the GOP platform. He was one of three candidates who raised his hand saying he does not believe in evolution, again to the right of the GOP party. He opposes abortion even for rape & incest.
This guy could go way further to the left of his current view and still be conservative. So don't get any hopes up that he'll be voting to support many Democratic bills.
Happy birthday Nate!
Great analysis, taking it the extra step to a control group is something few would have done.
I don't know that its safe to generalize on how Republican Senators change their vote after they announce their retirement. You really have to look at them on a case by case basis. If they are hardcore ideologues, then "voting their conscience" will likely mean either no noticable change or even a move further to the right. My suspicion is that Brownbeck and Martinez would fall into this category. Voinovich has a moderate record from even before he was in the Senate, so he will likely not support the more extreme elements of his party in his remaining days.
I will admit to not know a lot about Bond, so I'm not sure about him.
@Mrs B (in the preceding thread)
PS, for us ignorant Limeys, what IS Franzia anyway?
It's a cheap wine, best drunk when you've already had a few, you've moved from connoisseur to connoissewer, and your interest in quantity now outweighs your interest in quality. Their 5-liter boxes of wine are popular with university students.
Kurt's post is interesting because of what it reveals about what is comparatively mainstream in the US v the UK. In the UK we do have proponents of flat taxes, but they are few and far between and generally thought to be barking. I can't think of a politician who has said they don't believe in evolution - although there may be some, they don't talk about it. As for abortion, there are a very few MPs who want abortion heavily restricted from where we are now, but there are almost as many on the other side of the equation. Although I suspect some curtailment of time limits on late abortions to come forward again in the nearish future, it is by no means certain that it would get through Parliament. If Brownback was in the UK he would be so far right he would be somewhere beyond the orbit of Pluto and regarded as eccentric (British term meaning "we think you are nuts but are too polite to say so").
I was quite disappointed with John Warner the past few years. I had hoped, as in the initial hypothesis, that no longer having to curry favor with the party would make him more likely to buck them, as he had sometimes in the past (opposing Oliver North's candidacy for the Senate, for example.) Instead, he seemed to go along with the party line even more, and not take any public "principled stands" at all.
Maybe he's just tired, or maybe he wants to make peace with the party that is now pretty much in the hands of the kind of people who hated him for the North incident, but it was still a big disappointment.
Last night I was mulling over Voinovich's announcement and came to a conclusion closer to your last sentence: specifically that these retiring Republicans will probably vote more conservatively than they would if they weren't retiring. If they were under re-election pressure, they would have to take into account the general popularity of Obama's proposals, especially if they represent purple states that are leaning "blue-er." Absent that pressure, they can feel free to vote against Obama whenever they like.
Basically, once these guys announce their retirement, they're accountable to no one but themselves. This does not sound like a good thing.
oh, happy birthday Nate!
Nate, the spelling and grammatical errors are really quite distracting from otherwise excellent statistipoliticojournalism.
"are always are concerned "?
Not as bad as yesterday, but please consider getting an extra set of eyes on your pieces or at least a better grammar check.
But 5 is such a small smaple number - I'm not sure that this level of analysis is going to add much to an evaluation that's simply based on what we know about these Senators individually. And what we know (or can speculate about) is:
-Brownback is clearly very much a conservative, and that isn't likely to change.
-Voinovich has a history of representing liberal constituencies in Ohio, and it seems quite likely that his belonging to the Republican caucus in the senate had the effect of pulling him to the right. I wouldn't be surprised if he votes more moderately.
-Martinez has kind of never really seemed to be happy as a Senator, and he spoke up recently about the need for the Republican party to be more inclusive. He may tack towards the left somewhat.
-Bond... well, I really know nothing about Bond.
One Nominee, Kenneth Blackwell, (Pictured) Compares Gay People to ‘Arsonists’ and Claims They Can ‘Change’
NEW YORK – Truth Wins Out (TWO) expressed unease today over the slate of extreme candidates running for chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC). The organization is particularly concerned that former Ohio Secretary of State, Kenneth Blackwell, is under consideration for the job. Blackwell has built his career on bashing gay and lesbian Ohioans and if chosen would likely bring his anti-gay agenda to the national stage, says TWO.
Blackwell once compared gay people to “arsonists and kleptomaniacs,” described their lives as a “transgression against God’s law,” and believes that they can “change.” In 2004, Blackwell led the campaign to amend Ohio’s constitution to prohibit recognition of same-sex marriage or civil unions. Fortunately, he lost his 2006 Ohio gubernatorial race by a 24-point margin.
“The very fact that Blackwell is under consideration reinforces the idea that the GOP is captive to its more extreme elements,” said Wayne Besen, Executive Director of Truth Wins Out. “If the GOP were trying to commit suicide, electing Blackwell would be the perfect poison pill to swallow.”
Blackwell’s nomination received a blow today when Ohio Republican Party Chairman Bob Bennett announced his endorsement of Mike Duncan for re-election as chairman of the RNC. Another candidate, Katon Dawson, head of the South Carolina GOP, had to quit his membership in an all-white country club, to run for chairman of the RNC. Chip Saltsman, the Tennessee party leader who is in the race, handed out a Christmas CD at a holiday party that featured the song, “Barack the Magic Negro.” Saltsman told the New York Times that he believes those voting for chairman have “gotten past it.”
“No doubt they have gotten past it – and that is the problem,” said Besen. “The Republican Party has chosen the Revival Tent over the Big Tent, at the very moment they need to appeal to moderate swing voters.”
The Republican National Committee will meet January 28-31 in Washington, D.C., to elect a chairman.
Given that they're rabidly insane while running for election, 'mellowing out' doesn't seem as impressive, since one could be Hannibal Lecter and be mellower than your average Republican these days
The entire premise of the post does not apply to Brownback because, although he is retiring from the Senate, he is going to run for governor of Kansas. Thus, he will be facing the exact same electorate whether retiring or not. Martinez may also have future political ambitions su that he too may not be completely free of electoral considerations in his votes over the next two years.
Happy Birthday, Nate!
I heard an rumor that there is now comment moderation on this board. That's great news.
There is a more interesting phenomenon related to retirements. The retiring Senators, ideologically, are not entirely on board with the likely incoming RNC people. The first public skirmish in the internecine battle has taken place with Ken Blackwell's remarks. Inside the party, however, you can bet that there are much tougher conversations about who gets what kind of power when they take over. Voinovich and Martinez and Bond to some degree are moderates within their own party. Why would they be on board when the RNC is about to go whole-hog conservative?
Let's hope Franken gets seated ASAP so we don't have to worry so much about these votes.
How many senators usually show up for votes? wow I just found the roll call page at senate.gov- and I thought the FDA's site was fun!
I'm a big fan of the statistical viewpoint, Nate. Paired sampling! Great stuff.
I'm not sure why you included Larry Craig in your analyses. He was forced out of office after his sex scandal. Because he was not planning to leave office prior to this occurrence, any changes in his voting record are unlikely to be related to his impending retirement.
If you're bored do a filibuster comparison. The theory being they tend to join in on a filibuster with their party if they are about ready to retire.
Even for the analysis as it is presented I am quite grateful, as always, but this post was pretty lazy - only one group's rankings (on hand-picked issues), a hand-picked group of senators for the control ...
I think this is interesting though - you should consider coming back to it with something a little more robust.
In the can't win 'em all department, Sen. Shelby (AL-R) is NOT retiring. Not that it mattered.
http://blog.al.com/live/2009/01/shelby_running_again_spokeswom.html
Statler, I didn't realize how much of a nut Blackwell is on homosexuality. It's amazingly hypocritical for a practitioner of large-scale election theft to be moralistic about what people do consensually in the bedroom. He ought to reread the Bible and consider what penalties it assigned to low-life thieves and sinful rulers (~government officials) who displeased Him.
No. 10 on the list, Burr (NC-R) has some polling issues vs. AG Ray Cooper, 45% to 43%.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/12/12352/9419/160/682241
Real Mike, I think of Bond as a pretty hard-right senator. Wherein lies his moderation? Regional economic considerations? That would be pure geography, no?
Just because a Senator isn't running for re-election does not mean that she might not have a reputation to protect. In the case of a retiring GOP senator, speaking gigs at federalist society meetings and jobs at right-leaning thinktanks/lobbying firms might be a little harder to get if he tacks left for his last year in the Senate.
Mrs B said...
oh, happy birthday Nate!
January 13, 2009 11:49 AM
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damn.
I almost missed it.
happy birthday from Italy to you Sir Nate !
Incredibly this is also my wife's birthday !
well,Jenuary the 20th is getting closer,still waiting for it and counting down days.
greetings to you all.
:)
CORRECTION FOR NATE: Being Republicans, they HAVE no conscience.
If Grassley decides to retire- any chance he moves to the left.
regarding the top ten list.
I will switch Ohio w/Florida- We have are likely to win Ohio by a wider margin than Florida.
I will switch North Carolina w/Nevada. Democrats have a much better chance unseating Burr than Republican have a chance unseating Reid.
I think the effect postulated by Bowers might make more sense if you were talking about moderate Republicans who have previously felt forced to the right by their electorate. I don't think that's the case with any of the senators on this list, though; in fact, with so many "moderate" Republicans already ousted in the last two cycles those who remain are even more likely to be ideologues.
HB2U, Nate! I know where you were on your last birthday.
It turns out it's maybe the Obamas's favorite Chicago restaurant.
Feliz Cumpleaños.
(And almost HB to Michelle Obama.)
Nate's birthday is
GREAT NEWS!!! FOR FIVE THIRTY EIGHT!!!
For the other three republicans....maybe, they're all kind of moderate....But for Sam Brownback HELL NO.
Sam Brownback is a batshit insane ultra conservative, both on social and economic issuesa. We're talking about someone who tried to put a federal BAN on embryonic stem cell research (not just funding for it but make it completely illegal). Also if you look at his record there isnt even a HINT of populism. EVERY SINGLE senate ranking thing i have seen that ranks how liberal/conservative the senators are has Brownback.
You guys remember waaaaay back that republican primary debate where the moderator asks "Who here does NOT believe in evolution?" .....Sam Brownback and mike huckabee were the FIRST hands that shot up.
Sam Brownback is also not retiring from politics, hes thinking about running for governor in 2010 so he cares about his record.
Bond and Voinovich are going to retire from politics considering their age. Martinez's political plans for the future (IF he has any) are currently unknown.
Crap i ment to type "every single liberal/conservative rating i have seen has Sam Brownback in the top 10 most conservative)"
Can we have an edit function Nate?
I think the voting record of these GOP senators is less relevant than their cloture votes for the current Congress. The ratio will be 59-41. If Harry forces the GOP to filibuster instead of holding cloture votes, or if the Dems can peel off Voinovich and/or Martinez or one or two of the New Englanders to vote with the Dems on cloture, this discussion will be rendered pretty much moot.
I think one factor you need to consider is that retirement from the senate is not retirement from politics. Brownback is running for governor in 2010, so he will still have to make politically motivated decisions as he will have to win an election.
Happy Birthday to you
And your +6 sigma IQ
Your R Squared is about one
And your text is good too.
On a random note:
Why was Lugar so liberal in 2007? I mean, 45 is a bit more liberal than McCain was in 2001, when he was considered by The New Republic to be "the most effective advocate of the Democratic agenda in Washington." (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4a65fb2f-7752-493f-a8d3-7fa4aa5e55d0)
Also: Olympia Snowe got an ADA ranking of 80 in 2008. Why is she a Republican again? Why didn't Obama pick her for veep?
Yes, indeed. Happy Birthday, Nate! Now, would you care to explain +6 sigma, Doctor? :-)
In statistics sigma is a standard deviation so + 6 sigma would be 6 standard deviations above the mean, in the case of IQ about 190. Six Sigma is also a management and quality concept of continuous improvement.
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