1.09.2009

Daddy, Where Do Senators Come From?

Here's where:



This is a chart of the most recent prior elected office that the 111th Senate had held at the time of their first election to the U.S. Senate. Note my use of the phrase election to the U.S. Senate; I am not considering appointments to the U.S. Senate, and so Senators Obama, Biden, Clinton and Salazar are still considered elected Senators for the time being.

Why should you care about this? Maybe you shouldn't. But when we're trying to figure out just whom the candidates might be in a case like, say, Missouri, it's helpful to have some notion of how senators get to be where they are. Are we right to focus heavily on members of the Congress? (Yes -- this is where an awful lot of Senators come from.) How common is it for someone to be elected to the Senate after having held no previous elected office? (Not very common -- but more common than you might think).

Nearly half of the current members of the Senate were members of the U.S. House at some before becoming senators -- usually immediately beforehand. A lot of these folks, moreover, were in their state legislatures before becoming representatives. This is the most basic path by which one pursues a political career: State Representative --> State Senator --> U.S. Representative -- > U.S. Senator. Especially talented candidates -- for example, our President-elect -- can and do bypass the stint in the House, but this is still fairly rare, even if it seems to be occurring somewhat more frequently than it once did.

The other major path toward becoming a senator is from the state executive branch. About one quarter of the current population of the Senate held statewide elected office before taking their new jobs, including 11 former elected governors. From among the other statewide offices, attorney generals have been on something of a hot streak of late, presently accounting for 7 seats in the Senate, but there are also state auditors, state treasurers, tax commissioners (Kent Conrad; I'd originally missed the fact that this is an elected office in North Dakota) and lieutenant governors.

A decent number of senators, on the other hand, didn't even hold state-level elected office at the time of their election to the Senate. Mayors don't run for senate all that often, but when they do they can be fairly strong candidates. Remarkably, however, the Senate also contains two members whose most recent office at been city council (congratulations, Joe Biden and Carl Levin!), as well as various county-level executives.

And then there are those members of the Senate who had never held elected office at the time of their victories; ten of these in all, with backgrounds ranging from entrepreneurship to television comedy. But, as I will demonstrate in a future article, while people who have never held elected office occasionally succeed in becoming senators, many more try and fail, and their batting average is not very strong overall.

The complete list follows below.

Federal Elected Offices -- 45 Senators

U.S. House (45)
Akaka, HI
Baucus, MT
Boxer, CA
Brown, OH
Brownback, KS
Bunning, KY
Burr, NC
Byrd, WV
Cantwell, WA
Cardin, MD
Chambliss, GA
Coburn, OK
Cochran, MS
Crapo, ID
DeMint, SC
Dodd, CT
Dorgan, ND
Durbin, IL
Ensign, NV
Graham, SC
Grassley, IA
Harkin, IA
Inhofe, OK
Inoyue, HI
Isakson, GA
Johnson, SD
Kyl, AZ
Lincoln, AR
McCain, AZ
Menendez, NJ
Mikuluski, MD
Reed, RI
Reid, NV
Roberts, KS
Sanders, VT
Schumer, NY
Shelby, AL
Snowe, ME
Stabenow, MI
Thune, SD
Udall, CO
Udall, NM
Vitter, LA
Wicker, MS
Wyden, OR

State-Level Executive Offices -- 26 Senators

Governor (11)
Alexander, TN
Bayh, IN
Bond, MO
Carper, DE
Gregg, NH
Johanns, NE
Nelson, NE
Rockefeller, WV
Shaheen, NH
Voinovich, OH
Warner, VA

Lieutenant Governor (2)
Kerry, MA
Risch, ID

Attorney General (7)
Bingaman, NM
Cornyn, TX
Lieberman, CT
Pryor, AR
Salazar, CO
Sessions, AL
Whitehouse, RI

Treasurer (4)
Casey, PA
Hutchinson, TX
Landrieu, LA
Nelson, FL

Auditor (1)
McCaskill, MO

Tax Commissioner (1)
Conrad, ND

State Legislative Offices -- 9 Senators

State Senate (7)
Barrasso, WY
Enzi, WY
Feingold, WI
Hagan, NC
Murray, WA
Obama, IL
Tester, MT (Senate President)

State House (2)
Merkley, OR (Speaker)
Murkowski, AK (Majority Leader)

City or County Level Offices -- 10 Senators

Mayor (4)
Begich, AK (Anchorage)
Corker, TN (Chattanooga)
Feinstein, CA (San Francisco)
Lugar, IN (Indianapolis)

County Executive (1)
McConnell, KY (Jefferson County)

County or District Attorney (3)
Klobuchar, MN (Hennepin County)
Leahy, VT (Chittenden County)
Specter, PA (Philadelphia)

City Council (2)
Biden, DE (New Castle)
Levin, MI (Detroit)

No Prior Elected Office -- 10 Senators

Bennett, UT -- business executive
Clinton, NY -- First Lady
Collins, ME -- Regional Director of US Small Business Administration
Franken, MN -- entertainer, author
Hatch, UT -- attorney
Kohl, WI -- business executive
Kennedy, MA -- Brother of President Kennedy
Lautenberg -- business executive, executive of Port Authority of NY/NJ
Martinez, FL -- fmr. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Webb, VA -- fmr. Secretary of the Navy

Notes:

Carper, Gregg and Nelson (FL) had also served in the Congress at some point prior to their election to the Senate, although it was not their most recent elceted office.

Risch served briefly as Idaho's governor, although he was never elected to the position, filling upon Dirk Kempthorne's selection as Secretary of the Interior, nor did he hold that office at the time of his election to the Senate.

Lautenberg is the only current Senator to have served non-consecutive tenures in the Senate, having retired and then un-retired when Bob Torricelli made a fool of himself, so you can argue that his most recent elected office at the time his current elected tenure to the Senate had in fact been U.S. Senator.

Inhofe, Johanns, Menendez, Sanders and Voinovich had also been mayors at some point prior to thier election to the Senate, although it was not their most recent position.

Tom Udall had at one point been his state's Attorney General; Bayh, Brown and Rockefeller had been Secretaries of State; Reid and Voinovich had been Lieuteant Governors, and Bond and Casey had been State Auditor -- but again, these were not their most recently-held positions at the time of their election to the Senate.

74 comments

Mule Rider said...
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[ tyler curtain ] said...

This correlates well with access to money. If you run for office you have networks of folks who are willing to help fund a future run. Are the folks who win office without having previously run for anything overwhelmingly wealthy?

Myron said...

Hey everybody, it's mule crap again!

Please, mule crap, amuse us with your sophmoric rants and BS! Show us that a human can be dumber than the corn in shit.

Myron said...

Looks like Nate won't be tolerating mule crap's idiotic posts today.

livemild said...

is it just me or are most of those previous jobs the states do nothing jobs?

how about looking into why Senators wants to keep their jobs?
it would appear that Norm Coleman needs money...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0109/ReFi.html


good riddance to that mule rider garbage!

ecarlson said...

Off topic, I know, but apparently Blagojevich was just impeached.

Let the circus begin.

Another Mike said...

I had a theory that representatives would be disproportionately from smaller states and statewide office holders (gov, lt gov, AG, treasurer) would be disproporionately from larger states. Basically, the smaller the state, the larger the percent of the electorate you represent as a US Rep. For states like mine, Texas, US Reps are pretty much unknown statewide and have a much lower name recognition that statewide officeholders for even lower offices such as AG and Treasurer. But, it doesn't look like the evidence bears out the theory.

Matt Willard said...

Nate, Nate, Nate

You're a coauthor w/ Andrew Gelman and you just made a PIE CHART???

WTF?

livemild said...

great news for THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!
Now the Democratic Party
has NO ONE with balls.

sorry to see you go Blago!

vcalzone said...

Y'know, it seems like this could be further extrapolated to show exactly how powerful governor is when it comes to the Senate. There are hundreds of Representatives, but few governors. Thus, presumably, these stats show that if a governor wants a Senate gig, he'll usually get it. Seems that the same might be true for Attorney General as well.

Not a surprise, of course, but governor is a more powerful stepping stone than the chart makes it appear to be if you're looking for potential candidates.

Another Mike said...

Are the folks who win office without having previously run for anything overwhelmingly wealthy?

Here's Nate's list:

Bennett, UT -- business executive
Clinton, NY -- First Lady
Collins, ME -- Regional Director of US Small Business Administration
Conrad, ND -- state tax commissioner
Franken, MN -- entertainer, author
Hatch, UT -- attorney
Kohl, WI -- business executive
Kennedy, MA -- Brother of President Kennedy
Lautenberg -- business executive, executive of Port Authority of NY/NJ
Martinez, FL -- fmr. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Webb, VA -- fmr. Secretary of the Navy

Kohl and Lautenberg are both extremely wealthy, and I think Bennett is pretty wealthy as well. Clinton and Kennedy are certainly multimillionaires, but name recognition was probably a bigger factor for them. I'm sure Franken made some money from his books, but I doubt he's wealthy by Senate standards and celebrity is the bigger factor. I don't think Martinez or Webb is particularly wealthy. Also don't think so for Collins or Conrad, since they seem to have worked their way up through appointed offices and longtime government service. Hatch is kind of a mystery since there's no indication from his bio that he should be extremely wealthy, but unlike all the others he has no longtime government service or celebrity in his background.

All in all, I'm not sure the never previously elected group are significantly more wealthy than the others.

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Opus 132 said...

@ livemild

Of course,Blago's impeachment today is meaningless until he's found guilty by the Illinois Senate( remember Clinton and Andrew Johnson).He's still the same governor he was yesterday.

I don't see how he can be found guilty until Fitzgerald indicts Blago or releases evidence to the state Senate.This could take up to 88 more days.Burris will be seated by that time.

Vivi said...

Can you also make a graph of what was the turnaround of the current election for the Senate? How many of the present senators were senators right before this and remained in their seats?

This is an amazing site and I've been inspired by it to make some similar stats for the Romanian parliament. Comparing democracies is a pretty interesting exercise, specially such an old one as the US with such an immature one as Romania. :-)

One funny statistic was that while 90% of US Senators and Reps have an attendance of more than 90% in the parliament, only 15% of Romanian ones have such an attendence (while around 40% of them have less than 50% attendance in the parliament). :-)

STepper said...

Electoral Votes have been COUNTED. They aren't "provisional" any more, Nate.

walt526 said...

Feinstein's last held elected position was SF Mayor (vacated January 1988), but she also had an unsuccessful run at CA Governor in 1990, which she lost to then-Senator Pete Wilson. In 1992 she ran in a special election to serve out the remainder of Wilson's term (beating out incumbent John Seymor, the Republican Wilson had appointed).

Which is to say, that prior to running for the Senate in 1992, Feinstein was a well-established statewide figure (she was within 270k votes of being elected governor).

That's the problem with this sort of one-dimensional analysis... the future prospects of political careers (particularly those who have a long history of public service) are based on far more than just one's currently held elected office. It would be interesting to build a more comprehensive model (analyzing not just the current Senate, but also recent previous ones) to really try to extrapolate statistical factors that might help project an individual's future prospects.

Tom said...

One correction: North Dakota's state tax commissioner is elected (or at least was elected in 1980, when Kent Conrad became tax commissioner), so that moves him off the "no elective office" list.

The Fly said...

Nate, for Senators that had won previous state-wide elections, are you counting US Reps from states with only one seat?

nmw said...

Kennedy, MA -- Brother of President Kennedy

Ouch, was that the title he put on his business cards when he first ran for office?

Alex S. said...

After Nate's "Why are there no black senators?" article, I made a comment about the high number of "dynastic" picks. Maybe this is the right time to list them:

Senators with a relative of first degree who was a former Senator, Governor or President:
Lisa Murkowski
Mark Pryor
Mark Udall
Chris Dodd
Evan Bayh
Ted Kennedy
Judd Gregg
Tom Udall
Hillary Clinton
Bob Casey Jr.
Robert Bennett
Jay Rockefeller

plus 4 special cases
John McCain (top military family)
Mark Begich (father was Congressman)
Jon Kyl (father was Congressman)
Pat Roberts (father was RNC chair)

So, there are 16 senators who either got their seat because of their last name, or who at least had a jumpstart and name recognition. Maybe we can soon add the Landrieus, the Bidens, the Cuomos, and in Missouri's case: the Carnahans or the Blunts (not to forget the Bushes).

fred said...

Mule Rider is from OK, his actions are normal for that particular species of human.

The political family angle is an interesting one. It used to be just the Kennedy's, now it is everyone.

Tom said...

Another thing that the list should include is a notation of which Senators were initially appointed to their Senate seat -- by my count, that list would include Wicker, Barrasso, Menendez, and Murkowski (was Ted Kennedy appointed or elected?) Those almost don't count, since they wind up having a quasi-incumbent status in their first election.

And, as another commenter pointed out, it might be worthwhile to note which Senators had run for statewide office before. Susan Collins, though she had never held elective office, was the Republican candidate for Governor in 1994, two years before her election to the Senate.

Mule Rider said...

I can not and will not be silenced.

Mule Rider said...

I can not and will not be silenced.

The Fly said...

To follow up, these senators had held statewide office when they were in the House (since their states only have one seat)

Baucus, MT
Dorgan, ND
Johnson, SD
Sanders, VT
Thune, SD

In their state, they would have effectively the same electoral history status as governors, senators, or state executives.

Tom said...

The Fly: Not quite. Before 1992, Montana had two House seats, so Baucus was not a statewide officeholder.

kcrobinson said...

The ability of a non-elected official to be elected to the US Senate appears to drastically vary depending on the redness, blueness, or purpleness of the state. While this is an extremely interesting graph that you have created, it would be more telling for the upcoming elections in states like MO if the data included all elected senators in the past 10-20 years from states with a similar political demographic (like percentage who voted for Obama in the last election).

Juris said...

@Nate: typo "two members who's most. . ." Should be "whose," not "who's".

Thanks for doing this. Exactly consistent with what I was arguing a week or two here, with reference to Joseph Schlesinger's "Ambition and Politics." You've identified the "penultimate offices" of the current Senate.

On Mayors, I suspect Biden's case is a small state, highly urban state phenomenon. I also think Obama's having come from the dominant large city in Illinois helped his case.

In less populated states, there are fewer opportunities to hold office in the House, and so that career avenue to the Senate may often be blocked as it were by a long-term, very senior members of the House staying put in the one or two HR districts.

Statler N Waldorf said...

You forgot one category: How many Senators come from SNL?

I know, I know, the list is small for now. But I want to nominate Chris Rock, Chevy Chase, Dan Aykroyd, Dana Carvey, Eddie Murphy, and Mike Myers for the 2010 Senate races.

nkpolitics1279 said...

Governors/Former Governors
1)Carper(DE)
2)Bayh(IN)
3)Bond(MO)
4)Nelson(NE)
5)Gregg(NH)
6)Shaheen(NH)
7)Voinovich(OH)
8)Warner(VA)
9)Rockefeller(WV)

US House Members/Former US House Members.
1)Shelby(AL)
2)McCain(AZ)
3)Kyl(AZ)
4)Lincoln(AR)
5)Boxer(CA)
6)Udall(CO)
7)Dodd(CT)
8)Chambliss(GA)
9)Isakson(GA)
10)Inouye(HI)
11)Akaka(HI)
12)Crapo(ID)
13)Durbin(IL)
14)Grassley(IA)
15)Harkin(IA)
16)Roberts(KS)
17)Brownback(KS)
18)Bunning(KY)
19)Vitter(LA)
20)Snowe(ME)
21)Mikulski(MD)
22)Cardin(MD)
23)Stabenow(MI)
24)Cochran(MS)
25)Wicker(MS)
26)Baucus(MT)
27)Reid(NV)
28)Ensign(NV)
29)Menendez(NJ)
30)Udall(NM)
31)Schumer(NY)
32)Burr(NC)
33)Dorgan(ND)
34)Brown(OH)
35)Inhofe(OK)
36)Coburn(OK)
37)Wyden(OR)
38)Reed(RI)
39)Graham(SC)
40)DeMint(SC)
41)Johnson(SD)
42)Thune(SD)
43)Sanders(VT)
44)Cantwell(WA)
45)Byrd(WV)

Statewide Constituonal Officers.
1)Sessions(AL)
2)Pryor(AR)
3)Salazar(CO)
4)Lieberman(CT)
5)Nelson(FL)
6)Risch(ID)
7)Landrieu(LA)
8)Kerry(MA)
9)McCaskill(MO)
10)Bingaman(NM)
11)Conrad(ND)
12)Casey(PA)
13)Whitehouse(RI)
14)Hutchison(TX)
15)Cornyn(TX)

Former US Cabinet Officials
1)Martinez(FL)
2)Johanns(NE)
3)Alexander(TN)
4)Webb(VA)

State Legislature
1)Murkowski(AK)
2)Obama(IL)
3)Tester(MT)
4)Hagan(NC)
5)Merkley(OR)
6)Murray(WA)
7)Feingold(WI)
8)Enzi(WY)
9)Barrasso(WY)

Mayors
1)Begich(AK)
2)Feinstien(CA)
3)Lugar(IN)
4)Corker(TN)

City Councils
1)Biden(DE)
2)Levin(MI)
3)Leahy(VT)

District Attorneys/Judges
1)Klobuchar(MN)
2)Specter(PA)

Greg in FL said...

Nate,

Mel Martinez did hold elective office - Chairman of Orange County, Florida from 1998 to 2001 - prior to being appointed to the Cabinet and thereafter getting elected Senator.

AlaskaGuy said...

@S'n'W

No Tina Fey or Will Ferrell? Or are you holding those over until 2012?

juvanya said...

No Prior Elected Office -- 10 Senators

Clinton, NY -- First Lady

And here I thought she had experience...


Nate, you need a followup about the surest way to get into the Senate.

Pastor Alan said...

7 of the 19 senators who skipped the US house come from states with only one representative. Only 14 out of 100 senators come from states with one rep. That's not a coincidence.

Statler N Waldorf said...

Well, it,s a matter of experience, frankly. I,d like to see them develop more. I'll throw in David Spade if you need more :)

I kinda do wish we had more comedians in Congress. Comedy allows you to touch the third rail without getting electrocuted. Which is one reason why Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert make better reporters than anybody else on TV. In fact, I rather wish that Jon Stewart was running for public office. He could get away with pointing out the ridiculous illogical fallacies in so much of our political rhetoric in a way anybody can understand. He'd be perfectly willing to de-pants an ideologue on the Senate floor.

And he has amazing hair. Can't forget about that.

Statler N Waldorf said...

Joe Biden's Teeth-Teeth You Can Believe In

Dr Tooth

Tim said...

I'm so disappointed Nate forgot it's "attorneys general" and not "attorney generals."

RTWAP said...

"Are we right to focus heavily on members of the Congress?"

No. Since Senators are members of Congress and you've excluded that from your analysis (for good reason).

Representatives and Senators are all members of Congress.

e3323 said...

Im dissapointed. I wanted to see a thin slice of the pie labeled "Saturday Night Live"

RickinKulaHI said...

Interesting but of questionable relevance for analyzing current prospects because it includes senators who've been around forever (Byrd, Kennedy, Inouye). Would be interesting to see this analysis for Senators elected since, say, 1990.

Peter said...

Personally, I don't see this as being worth much unless the analysis is confined to states with a sufficiently large population (say 5 million or more.) I imagine that the no-qualification Senators come disproportionately from small states where becoming a Senator might be easier than becoming a Representative.

Statler N Waldorf said...

Peter

You mean like Caroline Kennedy, Senator of New York?


NY is the third largest state by population in the country.

Michael said...

Peter, maybe there are states where it's just as hard to become a Representative as a Senator, because of at-large representation, but why would it actually be HARDER anywhere? You mean because there are two senators and one representative? I suppose that could make it half as likely for the position to come open. Is that what you were thinking?

Richard said...

Fly - at least in Vermont I would say that U.S. Rep ranks below Governor in prestige.

nkpolitics1279 - Pat Leahy was State's Attorney (i.e., district attorney) when he was elected to the senate, not a city councilor.

Jacob said...

Mel Martinez was a county chairman (similar to county executive) in FL before he went to the cabinet. Also, Johanns has been in the cabinet more recently than his governorship.
Kennedy was (technically) a lawyer and political operative before being appointed to the Senate (he managed JFK's senate race in 1958), while Herb Kohl is a former chairman of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.
Also, Biden was a County coucilman rather than city council

bobnsj said...

Ted Kennedy was not appointed to the Senate. After JFK was elected, his seat was filled by a "placeholder" and Ted Kennedy was elected over the son of Henry Cabot Lodge in 1962. Ironically, JFK beat the elder Lodge for the same seat in 1952.

Carlos said...

Came here to hate on pie charts, was not disappointed - thank you Matt Willard :)

Unrepentant Whitlamite said...

You jerk!

I spent HOURS making the same chart just a week ago! I went over every Wiki article and scoured over the chart and wondered whether to categorise Murkowski as 'Majority Leader' or 'State Representative!' I BLED for this chart!

And you do it all! For free! And BETTER!

My rage burns with the heat of, uh, well, it's gone now. But DAMN, I was passionate just then.

thesmothete said...

Also, why is Ted Kennedy listed at "brother of JFK" but Orin Hatch gets to be listed as "lawyer" and the Udalls get to be listed with real professions? At least list both.

RivierRatt said...

@fred
"The political family angle is an interesting one. It used to be just the Kennedy's..."

Tell that to the Adamses, Roosevelts, Tafts...

"...now it is everyone..."

Sure, if 12-16% of the sample population constitutes "everyone."


wv: flewelty: flewelty folks in this here Senate.

RivierRatt said...

@Unrepentant Whitlamite

Yeah, I put together such a chart a few daze ago, too. Mine allowed for multiple entries (i.e., when someone had served as gubnor and US Rep), so it's not totally wasted effort; but Nate's list and analysis are far superior. Of course.

Hey, what's that bell? It's the siren song, calling for me to vote for 538.com again! If we're running up the score (currantly 61.2%), that's okay with me.


wv: ammenchw: Nate's ammenchwho gets things right.

Minnecticut Yankee said...

@ Alex S

You made an interesting comment re: dynastic succession in the US House of Lords . . . I mean Senate.
And your reference to Nate Silver's previous post "Why Are There No Black Senators?" raises another point that readers might find interesting. Not that it should matter, but technically speaking, under the old "One Drop Rule," I think it is very likely (and sources close to this Senator, with experience in that Senator's home state mores and history, have confirmed this directly to me) that there is a Senator that has some African ancestry but doesn't self-identify as African American. Furthermore, many people in that Senator's state are aware of this -- and many of them probably have similar "crypto-afro" ancestry -- but obviously don't see it as a big deal, and perhaps that's the way it should be. That raises the question of why I shouldn't just disclose that Senator's name. Well, I'm sure many of Nate Silver's readers are fans of "Jeopardy" and NPR's "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me!" Let's see if anyone can figure this out.

Alex S. said...

Hmm.... who could it be? ^^

"crypto-afro ancestry"... I don't know if you mean Arab-African ancestry or maybe a latino with some black ancestry. Even more puzzling, which state population has a lot of crypto-afro ancestry but not race as an important factor? Because, I'd guess that most people with African ancestry live in the Deep South, and that's the place where race DOES matter... that's why I tend to think that you are speaking of a latino. Maybe Mel Martinez?

Unrepentant Whitlamite said...

Also: I wish more state senators would run directly for the senate. They're less insulated from the population as a whole than congressmen (they have to maintain a 'real job', mostly), they can be less jaded by Washington and hence maintain an outsider perspective, and since they represent smaller constituencies they're often more interesting people with more interesting views. At the same time, they have more legislative experience than 'normal' people or assemblymen.

And, of course, two of the very finest people in the Senate (Obama and Feingold) were state senators, as well as Patty Murray (who I quite like.)

Minnecticut Yankee said...

@ Alex S.

You're getting warmer geographically with your guesses, but I wasn't thinking of Mel Martinez or other Latino Senators who may or may not have some African ancestry. Race definitely still matters in the state I was speaking about, but the racial and cultural history of that state is also distinct from its neighbors in the Deep South.

Unrepentant Whitlamite said...

@ Another Mike:

Thanks for noticing Hatch. I think that may potentially make Orrin Hatch the most ordinary person to be a US senator at time of election. He'd never held political office. He wasn't obscenely wealthy. He had no family ties. He was just a lawyer who ran for the Senate and made it. Lots of people like him run for the Senate every cycle, but he is, pretty much, the only one who's made it -- and he's a Republican in Utah, which means he's playing with a straight flush in any case.

So: if you are a normal person -- DO NOT RUN FOR THE SENATE. Take the cursus honorum instead. Two years in the state house, four years in the state senate, four years in the House -- THEN, maybe, you can take the plunge. But Mr Smith never wins.

Statler N Waldorf said...

Not so!


Anybody, yes, even YOU can become the next Senator from New York. Just fill out this application form and return it to Governor David Patterson's office and wait by your phone!

BTW, while I am hamming it up a bit, this is for real. The application form is available to anyone who wants to be considered for the position of US Senator representing New York.

DCM in FL said...

YANKEE

didn't Anthony Hopkins star in a film a few back [the Human Stain] where his deep dark 'secret' was his crypto-AA heritage ?

your mystery senator could be from any state since the racial mixing went on everywhere

probably LA with the whole creole race mixing in the bayous

maybe VA [ala Thomas Jefferson's extended family]

the Carolinas [especial SoCa] luv their eccentrics & everyone has a closet full o' skeletons...

why didn't Strom Thurmond even have black bloodlines in his extended family ?

and Cheney is related to Obama as I recall...

also, how many TV movies & even series has that been in the plotline in recent years ???

same with semitic bloodlines - it is more common than most people are aware

likewise with closet gaysin politics

OK, ignore ol' Craig the dearly departed Senator...

but come on, you got your Ms Lindsay Graham for starters

& his good bud, Charlie Crist in FL - despite his recent nuptials with his beard/wife

everyone in FL knows ol' Charlie is different like that BUT with that great orange permatan & teeth & high-waist & as a GOPer - who cares ???

hypocrisy rules the day in politics & religion too

now if you know & have proof who the real Lizard People are - please provide a link !!!

besides Cheney...

Minnecticut Yankee said...

DCM -- You're right. The deep, dark "secret" in "The Human Stain" (the movie and the book on which it's based) was the hidden African ancestry of the character played by Anthony Hopkins. The book, I believe, is inspired by a real person, Anatole Broyard, who had roots in (wink, wink! nudge, nudge!) Louisiana. And you make a good point with well chosen examples (Thomas Jefferson, Strom Thurmond . . . .). And what is the phrase, now that both DNA and anthropology point to the common origins of all Homo sapiens? "We are all African."
I'll keep you posted if I hear anything about the Lizard People -- the law in Minnesota says that in the recount, the canvassing board needs to try to discern the clear intent of the voter (or something to that effect). I think the person who wrote in "Lizard People" clearly had Norm Coleman in mind!

Alex S. said...

Alright, I knew you meant Louisiana when you said that it's a Deep South State, different from the others... but I seriously have no idea who it is. If I really had to take that 50:50 chance I'd go with Mary Landrieu because the Landrieu family seems to be deeply entrenched in New Orleans. Her father's nickname was "Moon" Landrieu... sounds a bit voodoo-rooted to me, but it's just a wild guess ^^.

Adam Villani said...

state senators ... since they represent smaller constituencies they're often more interesting people with more interesting views

In California there are 40 State Senators and 53 Congressional Representatives.

Texas has 31 State Senators and 32 Representatives in the U.S. Congress.

All of the other states (except for Nebraska, which has a 49-seat unicameral legislature) have more State Senators than members of Congress.

Minnecticut Yankee said...

@ Alex S.:

exactement, mon ami!

Alex S. said...

Well, thanks ;-)

I love those little anecdotes and I'll keep an eye on it.

While trying to find it out, I stumbled over a website claiming Barack Obama to be the 5th black president in the sense that he is "just" biracial, but we still call him African-American. The other presidents with partly black ancestry are Warren G. Harding, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and someone I forgot...

brettalicious said...

Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington State was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives but lost her seat in the 1994 election. She then spent some years with one of the big Seattle based dot com outfits prior to defeating Slade Gorton for her Senate seat in a very close election in 2000.

David said...

Dorgan was also ND's Tax Commissioner like Conrad...

Carl Nyberg said...

I find the dynastic argument persuasive.

While Obama, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon and Johnson were self-made men, it seems like a bunch of Senators are set-up with the gig by family.

When considering where Senators come from the dynastic angle should be part of the analysis.

Peter said...

As noted above, Mel Martinez should be counted as previously having been Orange County Chairman in Florida, a position now known as Orange County Mayor. This is an elected county executive position -- he held this post when nominated to lead HUD by Bush.

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tonyfleming said...

Nate -- I would love to see your talents at analysis applied to two other charts:

1) A pie chart illustrating the size of the constituencies which members of the 111th represented in their immediate previous positions. How big a constituency must a mayor have to then move to the Senate without going through a state office or the House?

2) A line chart, expanding on your chart here, tracing members positions back over the last several years. How many were mayors, state legislators, etc. before winding up in the Senator column? Is there a "best" or "most-common" path to the Senate?

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Let's try to clean up all the typos in the senator's names, huh.

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