I'm not sure that the discussion surrounding the Democrats' 50-state strategy couldn't stand to be a bit more sophisticated. A party's resources are finite, and those resources are always going to be allocated unequally between different states and different congressional districts depending on the probability of the party winning office there and other factors. Under Howard Dean, that allocation was significantly flatter than it had been under previous DNC administrations. That turned out to work out very well for the Democrats, as they won office in numerous states and districts that were once assumed not to be competitive.
It sounds like, under Tim Kaine, the Democrats will be moving to a somewhat more top-heavy resource allocation. The allocation is still likely to be broader than it had been in the pre-Dean years, however, and the Democrats are still likely to field viable candidates in a higher proportion of states and districts than the Republicans do. The key intraparty battles will not be those to determine if, say, a congressional candidate in Arizona gets more resources than one in New Jersey. Those sorts of things can be settled "scientifically" on a return-on-investment basis: how much does a marginal dollar spent in AZ-6 go toward strengthening the Democratic majority in Congress than one spent in NJ-11?
Rather, the real battle will be the one that Chris Bowers highlights:In short, the DNC will be moving away from the long-term, decentralized, fifty-state strategy of Howard Dean's tenure, and toward serving as a short-term, centralized re-election effort for President Obama in 2012.
Emphasis added. One can imagine a lot of scenarios in which there is a potential trade-off between enhancing Barack Obama's election chances (and/or his political capital) and those of a downballot candidate for Congress or some other office. In the special election in Georgia, for instance, Barack Obama did not want to visit the state because he evidently felt that stumping for Jim Martin would be a poor use of his political capital. That might or might not have been the "correct" decision (in retrospect, since Martin got beaten badly, it looks wise). But the point is, there is a trade-off there: Obama's interests versus those of a congressional Democrat. And with Obama largely taking over the DNC, such trade-offs are liable to be resolved more often than not in Obama's favor.
1.21.2009
A Brief Comment on the 50-State Strategy
by Nate Silver @ 3:00 PM...see also 50-state strategy, dean, kaine, obama
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dean will be missed.
he wasnt at the inaugural from what i saw.
why dont the democrats just forget the bloody red OK? that's OK with me.
some other reddy states too. just no point.
The obvious point is to develop widely-popular progressive policies (at least if you're an Obama Democrat). Health care reform (ending of job-lock, guaranteed access) is tops (after getting the economy moving again). Enery "independence" (semi-independence, really) would also be important.
surely to a very large extent Obama's prospects are intertwined with the rest of the Democrats? Besides there's elections in 2010 first.
What this is likely to mean is that they will take a rigorous view on whether someone really stands a chance of being elected, and if not, won't waste resources on them. It doesn't mean they'll retract to their heartlands or give up potential opportunities to get seats in the house (for example)just because they can't carry a whole state.
They don't want to go backwards.
I was rather disappointed by Obama's snubbing of Dean. The democrats owe a lot to Dean success as head of the DNC and in typical democratic style they are ungrateful.
Sadly I doubt Obama cares very much about the democratic party; so long as he remains in the Oval office it does matter, within reason, what happens in congress.
It occurred to me the other day that the near-daily Obama email solicitations for donations are just the beginning of the 2012 reelection. They're not going to stop. It seems pretty likely that Obama can stockpile a huge wad of cash before 2010 even rolls around. There are people who would only donate 1000 in an election year, but that doesn't mean you couldn't hit them up for an additional 2 or 3 hundred in each of the years heading up the election -- or does this always happen with incumbents???
Actually, Dean was there. He was seen and photographed by Emptywheel at the Netroots Ball.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/20/thank-you-howard-dean-for-showing-us-the-way/
I would be surprised if Kaine moved very far back in the direction of the Terry McAuliffe DNC, which was that the sole job was electing a president. Kaine has put a lot of effort in Virginia into getting down-ballot candidates elected, not just the statewide offices.
The centralization seems like a more likely source of tension, but since a lot of the Obama campaign was "set policy nationally, implement locally," I have to wonder how much that will actually happen, either.
The thing I'm most concerned will be lost is neither of those, but the long-term focus. The 50-State Strategy produced results much faster than it was expected to, and I hope Kaine doesn't rest on those laurels. Even deep-red states deserve continued efforts to bring them to the light, and there are plenty of places that voted Democratic with Obama on the ballot that will need a lot more work before they'll do it without him.
mrs b- i know this is really off the wall but have you had a birthday very recently?
twodox -- You're right that means Dean was in town, but the Netroots Nation Ball wasn't the Inauguration, or even one of the official balls. I suspect he was there somewhere, but only elected and appointed officials had actual roles in the ceremony, not party officials.
No one is arguing for throwing money at crappy challengers in Oklahoma, the question is setting up the infrastructure to find good challengers, nuture them, and make the public in those states more willing to accept the Democratic message.
To move back to Nate's home field, this is like the decision to allocate resources between major league expenses and developing a strong farm system, so that more great prospects pan out and more marginal ones at least make the RNC sweat.
The positive thing to keep in mind is that, while I haven't looked at the objective data, the common assumption is that the incumbent party should enjoy a Yankees-esque financial advantage.
I am in two mind over Dean.
His 50 state stratergy proved efective, and should be continued. There are a few states still that vote red because they always have. Besides local Parties/Politicians get corupt with time. If the dems are ready with infrastructure and as big a share of core voters as feasable, then the time will come. Alaska is a case in point.
On the other hand Dean precided over the Michigan/Florida farce. It is well worth remembering that the underlying problem there has not yet been sorted.
well, i think there's a principle of diminishing returns at work here. Republicans were caught off-guard, and because these folks who turned democrats had never had real exposure to democrats before, it produced fascinating results. But don't assume there's a linear relationship between investing in a place and results.
Now, centralization of the process will be the death of it. Remember, remember. Remember Iowa. New Hampshire and South Carolina. Centralized systems have this way of being tone-death and easily geared towards ideological conformism that'll produce what rush limbaugh, sean hannity and the hardcore ideological activists did to the republican party. The best thing about howard dean was that he didn't really listen too much to rahm and schumer- who wanted centrists. The fact that he was there made sure that we don't have just centrists OR liberals, but a whole diverse group of democrats.
Just to be clear: Dean did drop by the Netroots Nation party (I took his photo), but he was also with the mucky-mucks during the inauguration ceremony. I definitely saw him on the Jumbotron at some point, it led to my discussing his appearance the night before.
M_I_S_T_A_K_E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (if they are actually doing this)
50 states worked, and Rahm was all for it so I doubt they are moving it away from it at the congrassional level. Sounds kinda like sour grapes from Dean supporters in the party....
I would go to a 40 state strategy. It is a total waste of money to have staff in Utah and places like OK,ID,WY, and pretty much the whole south except for Fl and NC.
As long as they still compete in IN, and states like VA and NC I don`t see a problem.
Anyway this will all depend on how Obama does, if he suceeds the democrats will do very well, if times are tough in a couple of years the GOP will gain back much thay they lost since the democrats own it all now.
andrew said...
"It occurred to me the other day that the near-daily Obama email solicitations for donations are just the beginning of the 2012 reelection."
agreed, and I am planning to block them as they have become nothing but spam in volume
that is part of the whole politics as usual on steriods with the campaign never-ending that is sticking in my craw...
also, I am less than enthralled by the scope & range of advisors & nominees chosen by Obama so far
mostly more of the same old same old rather than real change
Chu ok - but Gates & Geitner [smug insider who came off bad today] & Podesta & Salazar et al [imho]
makes me wonder who he would nominate for SCOTUS based on performance so far - and that is crucial because it sure looks like he might appease rather than progress on issues that might affect his 4 year re-election
then there is BHO's dissing & freezing out of not just Dean in favor of that lackey Kaine [who inspires no confidence in me]
but also how has he treated Kerry who is the one who opened the door for Obama on the national stage ?
Obama would apparently rather play pol games for immediate expedient purposes & fete Powell & McCain & Lieberman instead of good DEMs like Gore & Kerry & Dean
kinda like how he threw Wright under the bus when the rev was no longer useful, so now he cozies up to Warren & Jakes...
hope I am proven wrong, but it is not inspiring to me - Dean deserves a real gala to honor his service !
Joel--careful. One of the benefits of a long-term 50 state strategy is that you're ready to take advantage of demographics shifts or realignment as they start to emerge, before the other party has a chance to quash them.
Texas is a case in point. Right now it's still red, but demographics seem to be trending it toward purple. If there's been a Democratic presence, particularly on the local level, that's more likely to allow Democrats to take advantage of a change as it occurs.
Obama won't need help winning in 2012.
Let's face it, if Obama were white, he would have had a 20 point margin. He's impossibly charismatic, comes off as extremely inteligent, etc...
The country resisted him because a lot of people feared a black president, and they completely BS'd about what drew them away from him (too little experience, too far left, whatever).
After 4 years the darker face won't be such a novelty, and it's certain that the country will be out of its recession and on the mend by 2012. Obama will have the advantage of the incumbent, and the story of how Bush screwed up everything and Obama fixed it... all working for him, and his charisma will still outshine anyone who thinks of running against him.
It's likely the republicans will still be busy disemboweling themselves, which makes the Obama 2012 victory that much more certain.
If there was ever a time that a party should think long term and start developing longer term strategies, it is now for the democrats.
In the short term, the democrats have very little to fear.
I think a 50-state strategy has a value outside of whether you can elect a few Democrats in the reddest states -- namely, it helps you govern. It exposes voters in every state -- like-minded or not -- to your message in your own words. I think that has real value, especially where the Ds have not been on television on in the mailbox for a long, long time.
If your assessment is correct, I don't think I agree with the DNC's priorities.
I take it as a foregone conclusion that Obama will be reelected. There is nothing he's likely to do that would give any Republican a chance in hell of beating him. Plus, the demographic mostly likely to vote for is opponent is also the demographic most likely to die in the next for years, whereas the demographic most likely to vote for him is the demographic who will gain the vote between now and 2012. The only real question is the margin of victory.
That being the case, they might as well push their case where they might not do as well. What have they got to lose?
SLS
excellent point about planning for long-term strategies
the same goes here in FL where the state DEM party is missing the boat bigtime
Obama poored resources into his election & had very short coattails down ticket
yes, we gained a few extra congressional seats in central FL[including mine where Kosmas dumped Feeney] - but they blew great opportunities to make gains in south FL in races that were competitive & winnable
worse is that no gains were made in the state legislature when realopportunity should have been there this year because of poor 'strategy' & planning
who leads to FL state party ? our CFO Sink seems disinclined to even run for Senate in 2010 when the route is wide open with Jeb out - another opportunity that will probably stay GOP
and with the whimper of a state party & strategy it looks grim for any intra-state gains in 2010 - so reapportionment will be gerrymandered once again by the GOP who had a great strategy back in the 90's to lock up FL as the party of control
same thing happenned out there in TX at the same time - the DEMs were outmanuevered & slammed in both TX & FL in time for 2000
Echoing JMG, another advantage of the 50 state strategy is fundraising: sure you spend money in these states, but I'd be willing to guess that you can get just as much out of them. Republicans invest in CA not because they'll win it at the Presidential level (they won't), but because its their most profitable state for fundraising. By increasing the percentage of democrats in UT from 30 to 40% (guesstimate), this may result in not only a few more local election (county commissioner) victories or secondary-statewide race victories (attorney general), but it will increase our chances of raising money -- and you've got to spend money to make money!
So I'm sure it's going to be necessary to fight to keep the 50 state strategy going, and fight to make sure that the DNC doesn't succumb to the natural temptation to become Obama's re-election arm.
But, I have to call into question whether there's any reason to believe the DNC does in fact plan to abandon or significantly move away from the 50 state strategy.
On the one hand I have multiple statements from Tim Kaine praising the 50 state strategy, in one quote claiming that adoption by the Obama campaign of something like the 50 state strategy was responsible for Barack Obama's election, and promising to continue it in some form.
On the other hand I have a claim from an anonymous source who is not even at the DNC but merely close to the transition at the DNC, as vaguely paraphrased by a blogger who... how shall I put this... has strong enough feelings on Tim Kaine and Barack Obama that I am not sure he can be considered a neutral arbiter of evidence.
I don't have a whole lot of reason to trust Tim Kaine. But I have even less reason to trust the people Chris Bowers meets at parties...
Dean was at the inauguration, I believe in the seats below since he isn't an elected official. When he was shown on the Jumbotrons, our section started a "How-Ward! How-Ward!" chant.
@ Glenn Doty -- "The country resisted him because a lot of people feared a black president, and they completely BS'd about what drew them away from him (too little experience, too far left, whatever)."
I don't think this stuff was BS at all. In talking about his election with a few other political junkies, we all agreed that if he had run in 2004, Bush would have trounced him by a much higher percentage than Kerry lost by.
Obama didn't have the experience behind him, and he was an extremely different leader in his goals. In many ways, these two things worked perfectly for him in 2008, as people were totally fed up with the Bush years and wanted someone new with a totally different direction. Obama was that person.
I think that if Obama had another 10 years of experience though, it would have been an absolute landslide, with the percentage being much higher for him. I don't think the color of his skin does anything in the grand scheme of things, as racism runs both ways and I'm sure that for every vote that Obama didn't get just because he was black, he got one vote just because he was black.
I think that Obama has a very good chance in 2012 because he will add an "experienced" notch to his belt by that point, although I don't think that the country's ills will all be corrected in less than four years time. I do think we'll be well on our way though...
Howard Dean was, I'm guessing, somewhere up in the crowd behind Obama. He was in the picture on CSPAN for awhile early in their coverage when not a whole lot of people were up there. The Obamas were still in church or, possibly, at the White House and the House had not as yet gone into session to get the members organized.
As to this change in strategy, it only makes sense. The most important single thing a party can do to improve the election prospects of most, if not all, of its candidates when one of its own is in the top job is to help him or her maximize the public approval of the job she or he and, by extension, his or her party is doing.
Clearly investing in Louisiana and South Carolina isn't the way to go. Republican Senators David Vitter and Jim DeMint just became the 2 in the 94-2 vote to confirm Hillary Rodham Clinton as Secretary of State.
I don't know what DeMint's deal is, but Vitter is just ridiculous. Louisiana must have become insanely conservative after Katrina if Vitter can vote against Clinton but vote for ladies of the night and keep his job.
I don't think putting money into red states is inconsistent with re-electing Obama. If his first term is even a modest improvement over the Bush administration (and how hard is that?), in 2012 he is likely to win all the votes that he won in 2008. Meanwhile, demographics are changing - even in red states, sometimes especially in red states - and the Democratic party needs to be making its case, providing ways for its supporters to be involved, becoming engaged in local issues where success will win over voters and prepare new candidates to take on bigger stuff. All of this translates into more votes for Obama in 2012. And before 2012, it translates into more engaged citizens, even in red states, who can put pressure on their elected officials to make it easier for Obama to govern.
If Obama is serious about that "one country" business ("not a collection of red states and blue states"), he will push Kaine to make the distribution of resources flat, flat, flat.
Hey Nate,
COMPLETELY off-topic, but I feel like I need to post this here to get your attention: when are we getting your PECOTA forecasts on baseballprospectus.com?
Apologies to all the politicos here, but we had dibs on Nate first.
There is of course some give and take between helping Obama and helping the rest of the party.
Let's use the 2010 elections as a good example. The winners of legislative, gubernatorial, and congressional races in 2010 will have a major impact on redistricting in 2011. Redistricting in 2011 will have a major impact on which districts will be competitive for Democrats in 2012. Competitive races in 2012 will increase the Democratic turnout in those districts aiding the national ticket.
Thus, helping the state parties do well in 2010 could strengthen the overall ticket in 2012 aiding President Obama.
i think there has been a whole lot of overreaction to this article and one clear case of causality being talked about that did not necessarily exist.
democrats became stronger across the country partly because of a change in strategy but more because of our friend GW Bush. and to give total credit to dean for obama's victory or our expansion of our majorities in both houses just doesn't stand up to analysis.
Howard Dean was at the inauguration. He had a VIP seat. It was great to see.
The only way to judge if Obama DNC and Kaine's chairmanship is worthy of Howard Dean's chairmanship, is if Democrats are elected in 2010. I like the idea of Kaine succeding Dean, but if Dems lose seats, Kaine should step down. Simple as that. If Dean hadn't been so succesful, he would have been ousted by the likes of James Carville and Harold Ford.
RE: Shades of Roosevelt in Obama's Address
I agree, it wasn't ambitious or far-raeching enough, and a little on the dour side. Thankfully Rev. Lowery lightened the mood soon afterwards. Easily one of the highlights of the day.
Obama had effectively warned the American people harder times may be ahead with his sobering Election night speech. And apparently Americans aren't expecting quick fixes and will be patient, according to recent polling. Obama could afford to have been more optimistic in his inauguration speech, if he had addressed not just Americans, but the watching world. Whether Obama welcomes it or not, he's now the world's president. It also would have been fitting that he addressed the world's problems, especially now that he's selected George Mitchell for the Israel/Palestine peace process.
Overall this speech was a missed opportunity for Obama. It felt like his deliberately low key Berlin speech. In fact, it was almost too deliberate.
That being said, this is the guy who delivered three of the greatest speeches I've ever seen, and the build-up, the inauguration itself, and the walk down Pennsylvania Ave. was amazing. The President and First Lady getting out of the motorcade TWICE was extremely ballsy and better than any speech he could have given. Biden was priceless during the parade. David Gergen nailed it when he said the VP came off like Teddy Roosevelt.
BTW, loved Biden's jab at John Roberts flubbing the constitution. Obama reportedly wasn't amused, but that's why I love Biden. He'll say things Obama wouldn't think about saying. Also, you just know the FReeptards got all huffy when he said it.
November 2012 headline:
Obama cuises, gets GOP Senate.
Could it happen? It certainly could. 24 Democratic seats will be up, as to only nine for the GOP.
The people that fully understand Howard Dean's 50 state strategy will not see Tim Kaine's "cherry picking" as being dramatically different. For instance, didn't they set up one office in all of Utah or Idaho that was staffed by two people?
Advice to Tim from me for 2010 - Agressively go to battle in all the precincts Obama won. Spend some money and hire personal to work the closest top 1/3 of the precincts that Obama lost.
Lastly, throw all this advice out the window if there is a Senate race the Dems could pick-off. There we need to do an all out push for as many votes as we can get.
MIKE
well anything could happen at any time, granted
but for the GOPers to retake the Senate in 2012 the sky would virtually have to cave in on the DEMs imho
anticipated gains for the DEMs in 2010 look like +2 minimum with all the retiring GOPers
so then the DEMs would have to lose 12 of 24 races in 2012 without picking off any GOP seats to lose the Senate
extremely doubtful that will happen - but it could. Their majority will mostly like be cut into in 2012 as history would predict
but more likely back to a 55-45 spread at the 'worst'. however the 2014 cycle will be the one to watch for the next big swing when also far more DEM seats will be at risk & historically more vunerable
Here, for those who are interested, is the DemocracyForAmerica.com petition to reinstate the 50 state strategy:
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/119
Dean's pretty cool.
I would not cry too long about Howard Dean. He did what he was hired to do.
He is the former governor of Vermont, with 700,000 inhabitants, excluding cows and moose. There are TWO Senators for life in Vermont.
Also, Virginia thanks Tim Kaine for his service. Again, TWO Senators for life in Virginia, at least on the democratic side. Maybe a republican will emerge and take a senate seat, but it sure will not be on the democratic side/primaries.
There was always something a little off about Tim Kaine as governor. Treated Northern Virginia as a cash-cow while acting like a true democratic. Oh well, that has been going on for some time in the Commonwealth.
I volunteered in NJ-11, and believe me, the state and national Dem committees gave us very little money, and that money did not help at all. So in those terms, the return-on-investment is nil (though more than a shoestring budget might have helped).
Dean had a great view, but of course, facts have never stopped attention-seekers from yammering a bunch of baseless crap about Obama in the past. For example:
"Sadly I doubt Obama cares very much about the democratic party"
On what basis? A lot of super delegates went to Obama in the primaries primarily because he was dedicated to investing in the party infrastructure. His effort to compete in longshots like Georgia, Montana, and Alaska was a testament to that.
In this election, Obama did more to revitalize the national party infrastructure than anyone else, and that's not going to go anyway anytime soon. The difference now is that the Democrats don't have to work around the problem of being a leaderless opposition party.
Also, compare Martin's 11/4 result to his special election result and tell me about Obama's "lack of coattails." And by all means, talk to Kay Hagan about it too.
As for DCM's laughable crocodile tears:
"Obama would apparently rather play pol games for immediate expedient purposes & fete Powell & McCain & Lieberman instead of good DEMs like Gore & Kerry & Dean"
Gore didn't want a cabinet post. Kerry is head of foreign relations. And yes, it's possible that Dean just wasn't the right guy for HHS. And BTW, your logic about Kerry goes double for Daschle, so your lame-ass argument contradicts itself.
"kinda like how he threw Wright under the bus when the rev was no longer useful, so now he cozies up to Warren & Jakes..."
As always, it comes back to your bizarre, monomaniacal obsession with Warren. Anyway, for those of us who aren't rewriting history in the name of an agenda, Wright threw himself under the bus. Only rabid Obama haters like yourself would try to spin it otherwise.
Also, I disagree that Obama would have won by 20 points if he were white. He would have won by 20 points if he'd been running against anyone but McCain, and the polls from early in the race bear that out.
McCain, despite being a terrible campaigner, was a strong candidate, and I think he would've pulled in at least 42/43% against any Democrat.
Also DCM, your moralistic whining about "immediate expediency" kind of falls flat when the "immediate expediency" you're talking about is health care for my kid and equal pay protection for my wife. The out-of-touch whiners on the internet need to crawl out from under their bridges and visit the real world once in a while.
the comment about NJ-11 seems to lack the needed knowledge about the district. New Jersey's 11th has an excellent challenger in Tom Wyka wwww.tomwyka.com, who has in 2006 and 2008 recieved the two highest percentages of the vote ever for a Democrat in the district against the current incumbent. This is a district with an excellent candidate, a solid organization of volunteers behind him, and where the Democratic ground game far outpaces that of the Republican party. If NJ-11 had received a fraction of the money poured into the district directly above and below it, where Democrats saw results with in 5 points of Wyka in 11, than we would have a Democratic Congressman from that district. This is why the fifty-state strategy is needed, but more specifically, a four hundred and thirty five district strategy, to show that a democrat can win anywhere in this country.
Howard Dean's chairmanship and his fifty state strategy are the best things that could have happened to the DNC. Kaine needs to expand that strategy, not roll it back.
Some of you are talking past 2010, a year when Obama won't be on the ballot. If the Democrats have an opportunity to pick up a Senate or House seat in Oklahoma in 2010 and the DNC does what some of you think they should (ignore Oklahoma because it won't vote for a Democrat for President), they thereby damage Obama's prospects for legislative victories. And as for presidents winning reelection while the legislature turns over or at least changes composition very significantly, without checking, I'm going to say that that's happened numerous times. The DNC cannot concentrate only on the top of the ticket. The 50-state strategy was great and must be continued.
wv: goille - what a boy's counterpart is called in Brooklyn
Democrats owe Dean a HUGE debt of gratitude!
He would be great as head of the FDA.The place is in terrible shape and Dean,being both an ex-doctor and ex-governor,would be ideal!
The other advantage about the 50 state strategy it keeps the democratic party honest. When the GOP does their crazy stuff it's because they've written off vast swaths of the country.
50 States means you have to govern for everybody, Indiana & Ohio flipped in part because the Dems were making promises in Kentucky and West Virginia. If a politician is making promises to you, but ignoring the guy living down the block, you aren't really trusting that politician
APE
you once again prove you are a cherrypicking idiot or mental midget
hyperbole doesn't suit you, it just proves you are as bitter pathetic troll with no ability to THINK clearly for yourself
look at the drivel you spout in personally attacking others who contribute original reasoned thought
for instance, on Kaine - explain the logic of how it benefite the DNC to have Obama annoint his lackey [yes, he is a political lackey] to this important party post when the robot will not even take the job full-time until his twerm as governor ends NEXT YEAR !
real bright & talk about building the party UP - this is putting it into a holding pattern that stalls while time for planning for the 2010's is awasting
bright ? not - that is selfish & self-centered rather than what is best for the DNC & party members such as myself
same with keeping Gates as a hold-over - that is real change ???
anyway, ENOUGH is ENOUGH of your personal vindictive attacks at myself & others who try to analyze info rather than feeling compelled to toe the party line
YOU my friend have the knee-jerk constitution of a grand old freeper !!! sheesh...
If the dems shift away from the 50 state focus, they will start to bleed congressional seats come 2010.
Remember, Obama made most red states less red. He gained a lot and even won large areas of ID and UT for pete's sake!
MT, SD, AZ, and TX could turn blue in the next 6 years. And don't forget MO, and IN, VA, NC, and FL are not very strongly blue either.
Letting up now, would be typical democratic party form: 100% wimp.
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Nate,
Can you please, pretty please?, stop using the term 'political capital' like it is a form of currency, where you can save x, and passing a bill or supporting a candidate would leave the account at x-y.
It is nonsense, and it makes you come off as amateurish.
DAVID
you are correct about 2010 at least here in FL
all of our gains here are ephemeral unless the state party with HELP from the DNC gets their act together fast
we should be a real purple trending blue state BUT the GOPers have institutionalized party control within the state to a massive degree from the Gov to both houses of the legislature on down to county & local races in most areas including central FL
I live in the FL 24th which was created in 2000 specifically by the GOPers to be a new safe seat for Tom Feeney - which they did 4 times
it is still a R+3 district because of the ridiculous gerrymanding involved [Feeney had a hand in drawing the map], but we managed to dump Feeney this year despite the attitude of the electorate that it was impossible because it has always been a GOP district
only got Feeney out this time because he is a crook w/ties to Jack Abramov & we ran a strong qualified DEM candidate from SE Volusia [S. Kosmas]
however, she will be in danger in 2010 if things are not organized better - and faces real problems in redistricting after 2010 because the GOPer have a stanglehold on state legislature
the state DEMs made no inroads in either house in 2008 even with Obama narrowly winning...
and with Crist on the ticket in 2010 & no great DEM senate candidate [yet], it looks good for the GOP & grim for the DEMs leading to another redistricting debacle unless things change fast thru party organizing
that would cost us in congress as well as hurt Obama's chances of carrying FL again in 2012 because the state DEM party is still weak
once last comment tonight about the 50 state strategy & putting resources into certain states...
an important point that seems to be overlooked for the last 2 cycles [06 & 08] is that no one can be sure of how strong the anti-Bush % of the vote was at or near the top of the tickets for federal offices
here in FL, I have no doubt that at least 5 % or more of the vote cast for DEMS was more a vote AGAINST Bush rather than the generic GOP [which is why the vote was so close]
Obama & the DEMS may still have some lingering advantage to capitalizeon in 2010 to hold the anti-Bush voters [mostly INDs]
but by 2012, that advantage will probably disipate competely
FL demos are slowly changing BUT 2008 results for Obama should not be a good gauge for the future
in fact doing the hard GOTV during the fall, we heard over & over from INDs that they would vote against BUSH [and his lackey McCain] so they would cast their vote for Obama as the default candidate rather than by preference
what will happen when there is no more Bush & Cheney to kick around ?
sadly, even Nixon started to get rehabbed by the public CW after awhile...
Dean's 50 state strategy is misunderstood!
Dean himself, in explaining the 50 state strategy years ago, said the idea is for the DNC to help Democrats get elected at whatever level of government we can.
If you can't get a Senator, try for a Governor. If you can't get that, try for a Congressman. If you can't get that, try for a Mayor. If you can't get that, try for a city councilman, or police chief.
His complaint was that by concentrating only on high level posts, you never develop any Democratic leadership on the low level. It is the city council members that run for Mayor, the Mayors that run for Congress, and the Congressman that run for Governor or Senator. Then President.
The 50-state strategy is a long term party-building strategy. You don't color Texas Blue in a single cycle; you color it Blue in patches and prove to swing voters that Democrats in power don't destroy the fabric of society, as Republicans would have them believe.
Hopefully that will be the result of Obama's administration by 2012, evidence that Democrats ain't so bad after all.
Obama turned virtually every county in the US "bluer"--i.e. outperformed Kerry--and in the end won the Kerry states plus others. Now the idea is to hold these states and pick up additional ones (e.g. Missouri, Montana. In addition, the idea should be to help downstream candidates (e.g. state attorney generals, state senators, etc). By doing this you "connect the dots" leading to "upstream" gains over time.
David posted thusly:
"If the dems shift away from the 50 state focus, they will start to bleed congressional seats come 2010.[...]"
I couldn't agree more.
And Tony C., great post.
wv: putse. I'll just let you all think about that. No comment. :-)
I agree that Obama was wrong, and Rahm is wrong... Dean had a very good strategy, because we can win anywhere. The only reason that people go for conservatives in places like TN and OK are they only ever hear from the right wing media down there, and they don't even know what liberal means.
Fractal, you're much too definitive. Many people vote for Republicans because that's what they want to do, not because of lack of exposure to Democrats.
MICHAEL
quite a few voters in 2008 voted for Obama as a vote AGAINST Bush/Cheney
because there was no option to cast a referendum against BUSH
that is most evident in the 'purple' states
Obama will need to actually win their votes in 2012, and they are no lock for down ticket DEMs - in fact as I stated, Obama as a DEM had extremely short coattails down ticket at the state & local level because BUSH was not an issue & the GOPers have a very strong state & local party infrastructure
the impact of the POTUS election margin does not carry over
for instance, if Obama's coattails were significant - Franken should have easily won in MN
but the voters had other options, and many went 3rd party...
the DNC needs to build up the state & local parties especially in the purple states where voters are not accustomed to pulling the DEM lever [because DEMs are an unknown quantity that never win 'round these parts'.]
I heard that over & over again in 2008 - and reapportionment for both federal & state voting re-districting is THE key to DEM ability to hold & make additional gains in the 2010-2020 cycles.
THAT should be the DNC long-term strategy - not just re-elect Obama & gain a few more senators
it needs to start from the bottom up to hold this position of advantage that in many ways is directly a going away 'gift' from Bush Jr - but that will no longer be enough of a campaign advantage 2-4 years from now
@joel said: "I would go to a 40 state strategy. It is a total waste of money to have staff in Utah and places like OK,ID,WY, and pretty much the whole south except for Fl and NC."
You are completely ignoring the fact that there are Democrats in Congress from Oklahoma, Utah, Idaho, and Alabama. The latter three were pick-ups this year, and Dan Boren (in OK) is a recent development.
And this year's House election in WY was very close for a state you'd like to write off - the Republican won, true, but only by a margin of 52.6% to 42.8%.
How much of this is 50-state and how much Obama? Hard to tell - maybe Nate could figure it out. But I wouldn't be so quick to write off 50-state or demote it to 40-state.
Will we ever get Presidential electors in the states you name? Enh... not in the near future. Senators? Probably not either. But the House should not be overlooked, and it is there that strategies like 50-state can do the most good.
50-state must stay.
"It is a total waste of money to have staff in Utah and places like OK,ID,WY, and pretty much the whole south except for Fl and NC."
One of the most important aims of the 50-state strategy is to get Democrats into position to play a role in redistricting. In Texas, the Democrats are very close to taking the lower house of the legislature -- if they do, you can bet that redistricting after the 2010 census will result in a gain of a couple of Democratic seats in Congress. There are a lot of southern (and some western) states that may never vote for a Democrat for President or even for statewide office, but where we can win majorities in one or both houses of the legislature, and those legislative victories will help us build and maintain our Congressional majority.
Forgone conclusion that Obama will be re-elected in 2012. Really? Seriously? Have you already forgotten about the mavericky maverick with a clear line of sight to Putin? Give her four more years of experience and she might actually interview well with Katie Couric. After that happens, who knows.
Ok...nevermind...it's a forgone conclusion. I agree with the 50 state strategy as a way to establish a working foundation, grassroots, and machine towards enacting national message and policy.
There was no way Dean stood a chance over Dashcle, whom Obama seriously owed, but there should be a political future for Dean within the party.
The lack of DNC support in NC in the past during important Senatorial campaigns has been detrimental to our state. Obama's impact on the state through his grass-roots efforts helped us not only go "blue" for the first time since 1976, but I think it was instrumental in helping us defeat Liddy Dole (not to downplay her own campaign flubs and her relatively ineffective tenure as a Senator).
In past elections, when I have volunteered, it was apparent that campaigns had to start again from scratch, that contact lists were out-of-date and that we had a definite disadvantage to the Republican machine that was built and maintained by Helms/Dole and their supporters.
I think it is critical for the DNC to maintain an overall state-by-state presence of at least a minimal level of organization.
Nate,
The 50 State Strategy is an absolutely essential part of the generational shift in control of US policy. The Republicans still have a huge power base in rural areas where the traditional media, particularly local radio still hold sway, and where there is almost no progressive content being aired. As such this very stong rural signal provides a counterpoint to the urban message, which is frequently controlled by Democrats.
Unfortunately, as long as there is a competing signal that allows people to conclude that the evidence is still out, most folks will use alternative information to conclude that obvious conclusions are not accurate--as the tobacco and oil companies have so effectively done with the obvious conclusions that smoking is bad for you or that more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere means that global warming will increase--or as Republicans using their rural base have done with the obvious conclusion that Democratic policies are better for the lower and middle incomes.
For 2010, Democrats need to focus on getting a 60+ majority in the Senate. That will enable them to pass any bill they want on a party-line vote. In such cases, Republicans would have no chance to filibuster.
The likes of John Cornyn would whine and chew on a rug all they want. Democrats would not need to listen to them. If our nation is to recover from 28 years of largely conservative policies, the first step is to reduce the number of Republicans until they are inconsequential.
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