12.01.2008

Ludicrous

Bright and early on a chilly morning in Augusta, a crowd of just under 3,000 lined up to see Sarah Palin stump for Saxby Chambliss, her first stump appearance since the presidential race ended nearly four weeks ago.

Palin implored the crowd to vote for Saxby, "not just for Georgia" but for Alaska, Hawaii, and the rest of the country. Checks and balances in Washington, Palin argued, are what is "needed for our democracy."



Balance of power is the argument, and as the attack ads saturate Georgia airwaves, Palin's crowd cheered for her noticeably lucid argument that supporting Saxby Chambliss meant one critical vote for policies the Republican base holds dear. While sending Rudy Giuliani to north Georgia might have been questionable, any time you can get 3,000 to come out on a cold weekday morning in a smaller part of the state for a runoff election, it's wise to take that opportunity.



We're here in the Gwinnett Center in the midst of Palin's 4th appearance of the day (stops in Savannah and Perry -- near Macon -- preceded this gathering). Roughly 4,000 appear to have gathered, including Ralph Reed and at least two girls with tiaras, and we'll append pics for you in an update later. Palin's address this afternoon is degrees more impassioned and powerfully delivered than her relatively quick remarks in Augusta.

Palin also showed a wry sense of humor that made the audience chuckle when she said that to raise taxes right now "would be ludicrous," an allusion to rapper Ludacris' appearance at the state Capitol on behalf of Jim Martin later today. It's a good sign for Martin, at least, that the word is out. (Gillian is particularly excited to see T.I., who is rumored to appear as well.)



Josh Putnam has an excellent analysis of the final early voting numbers here, and points out that African-American vote stayed 22.5% on early voting of 491,540. That represents a tough hill for Martin to climb on Election Day.

The feeling we've gotten as we've stopped into Martin field offices around the state these past few days is that it's been only the final week where the Obama field troops have felt like they've seen the voter contact and GOTV numbers move to where they're happy. We may have understated the Obama field presence. The Suwanee (Gwinnett County) office alone has 31 Obama organizers. While that is larger than typical for Martin offices dispersed around the state, it should give you an idea of how determined the field focus is.

It will take a huge final-day push to overcome the early lead. A PPP poll released today says that Chambliss led 58-41 among early voters. If that poll is true and early voting turns out to be 25% of the runoff vote (i.e., runoff voting turns out to be roughly 2 million, or roughly half of November 4's total), then Martin will need to win 53-47 tomorrow to edge Chambliss in the race.



The frustrating thing about projecting a runoff is that few know what will happen. Polling models are hard to trust, given the small number of data points and unpredictability of enthusiasm. Right now we know that the early voting black vote is great news for Saxby Chambliss, and we know from observation that the Martin ground game is far more robust, far more experienced and far more intense, which is great news for Jim Martin.

68 comments

Helen said...

Just have to wait and hope! :)

darkerstar1 said...

Ummm, still waiting on that in depth MN update from you guys...

Douglas said...
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Douglas said...

Clearly, this is GREAT NEWS for MULE RIDER!!! (and for Tip Williams)

Mark said...

This is going to be a blowout for that despicable human being Saxby Chambliss.

A real pity, because Jim Martin seems like a nice kind of guy.

Brian said...

Hey, why don't you guys do some election recap posts? Some suggestions: an analysis of how the regression model fared; an analysis of how various pollsters did (and comparison to the pollster ratings you were using); an update of your electoral history charts (which I've been trying to access lately for comparison purposes and haven't been able to).

Thanks for the updates on Georgia, by the way, Sean. This one looks like a real longshot from where I'm sitting...

Geoff Johnson said...

I love fivethirtyeight, but given the title this post spent far too little time discussing Atlanta's own Ludacris. Polling web sites need more hip-hop!

Semi-seriously, it is interesting though that Sarah Palin now has some dim awareness of Luda's existence. It's going to be very hard for Martin to win this thing unfortunately, but if the runoff has the effect of introducing Palin to Dirty South rap then it will have been somewhat worth it. After a few hours listening to OutKast albums she'll no doubt change her mind on ANWR and a host of other issues.

Geoff
http://www.pastprogress.com/

Cris said...

Never underestimate the Obama field presence! :-)

-- Cris
My site: Obama Wallpaper Archive

BigJoe said...

I really think that people who voted AGAINST Obama will not care much about coming out to vote FOR Chambliss.
In other words, Chambliss will lose the racially-motivated group, which I would assume is fairly substantial in Georgia, especially outside of Atlanta.
My prediction? The ground forces will win it for Martin...

Joe Benevides said...

Sadly, I see a Chambliss win *GACK*

Even worse, I see that self-centered, proud ignoramus, Palin trying to take credit for a Chambliss victory. This is going to inflate her already over-inflated head even more. Republitards have created a monster and now they're going to have quite a bit of difficulty getting her back in her cage!

Baltar said...

Balance of power. That's funny. Where was Palin these last eight years while the GOP had a lock on all three branches?

jwhit said...

What's SP wearing, Sean? this from Huffpost:

After a 12-day hiatus, Sarah Palin stepped back into the spotlight Monday to campaign for Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss. Spectators experienced deja vu as the Alaska governor sported the same jacket she had worn on the campaign trail this fall. Was Palin valiantly recycling old clothes or defiantly wearing items from her $150,000 wardrobe?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/01/sarah-palin-still-wearing_n_147520.html

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stayathomedad said...

How can Georgians vote this guy?!? He is shameless and completely underhanded. Does the state not care what kind of people it sends to Washington to represent them? And how can this guy have any sway on the military after the things he said about Max Cleland? Disgusting.

Blame said...

Palin is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

Perfect for exciting the base and making core republicans feel that all is right with the world. This while fiscal conservatives leave in disgust and nothing is done to repare relations with minorities & women.

manoodul. - Being a man I have one, but please girls, its unkind to call it a noodul.

RedHawksO4 said...

Yes, Saxby should win, but it is also hard to predict. I like the actual prose here about what's happening on the ground. This is useful information, although I wonder what Palin down there really means. I guess a runoff is all about getting out the base, so she should be a net plus for Saxby.


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bugstomper said...

Who is Gillian and who is T.I.?

Paul said...

T.I. is going to be there? Will there also be foxy boxing?

M said...

Who is TI? What is google?

Tim said...

Sure, this is a US-centric site, but while we're here focusing on recounts and runoffs, Canada's Conservative government has completely imploded and looks to be toppled on Monday. Might be worth talking about.

David said...

Mule Rider, if this site is so pointless and the users so distasteful to you, the answer is fairly simple.

Fuck off

Robby said...

Mule Rider, you're on a website that you loudly disagree with (both in terms of its political views and its methodological precision) trying to get a rise out of people for kicks (or attention, or both), and you're honestly gonna lecture somebody and what they're doing with their lives.

Sad and pathetic. I miss the old Mule Rider who would yell senseless obscenities for my amusement.

andrew said...

Mule Rider,

Usually I find your posts absolutely idiotic, but I do have to agree with you on one point: rap is horribly misogynistic and regressive in what it stands for. Don't get me wrong, its a lot of fun to listen to, but getting Luda's endorsement isn't worth much in the grown-up world. I look forward to a world where thoughtful rappers like the Roots and Common dominate the airways, and rap actually stands for something positive (at least most of the time).

Eric said...

I need NATE's considerable math skills applied to College Fottball. I'm a stats guy, but not great with formulas. I believe Texas has a chance of finishing ahead of Florida if Florida beats Alabama and Texas could play Oklahoma in a rematch. This would anger a lot of folks and possibly create enough chaos to change the whole system. I'd like to see it. It's almost certan that the computers will have Texas ranked ahead of Florda. The question is A) by how much and B) how far does Florida eed to be ranked ahead of Texas on average in the human polls to make up the difference. It seems quite plausible. NATe you out there? Any other Stats gurus that like college football and can help me figure.

jdizzle said...

Mule humper:
If it makes you so sick to your stomach to come on here, don't come on here. As for you trying to tell us you aren't a republican, I've read a lot of your posts, you can't fool us. Who did you vote for again? You may not be registered as one but your views say it all. And are you a hard-core political nerd because you certainly are on here a lot. Your plethora of posts is kinda hard to hide there buddy.

Wiseguy said...

I need NATE's considerable math skills applied to College Football.

Yes Nate, please. If you can predict baseball seasons and national elections, you surely can predict who is the best college football team in the country. I vote for Nate to takeover or replace the BCS!

Sara A. said...

"What kind of name is Saxby"


At a guess, it's a family surname given him as his first name...one of our quaint little habits here in the South, which leads to people named things like Carson McCullers and Harper Lee.

The rest of the country seems to have copied the habit without realizing that you're supposed to only name your kid Cameron or Madison if you actually HAVE Camerons and Madisons in your family.

If you're going to make fun of ol' Saxby, pick his idiotic positions, not his name.

Antmatic said...

I love hip hop but the best way to use rappers for campaigns is to do it quietly. Obama had Jay Z perform in Miami at voter registration / early vote drives leading up to the vote. That's the proper way to do it. Having Luda appear with the candidate on stage probably helps more than it hurts, though since the vote is tomorrow, the GOP can't really turn it into a campaign ad.

Juris said...

Nice shout-out to 538.com on Chris Matthews's "Hardball" about Nate's turnout article of a few days ago.

I guess he's not tooooo upset with Sean's article about Matthews building a campaign team for a run at the PA Senate. He realizes that business is business.

ssmith said...

Yo, where is Nate anyway? He hasn't posted since Saturday.

Not like he doesn't deserve a few days off...

BenJones said...

Does anyone actually remember the supposedly despicable things Chambliss said about Cleland?
I went back and watched that controversial ad, and I don't see a problem. It seems totally fair to me. Cleland voted against the homeland security bill, (because of labor issues). Why can't Chambliss say that. He never calls him unpatriotic, which a lot of liberals remember the event as.

Juris said...

I think I know where Nate is. This is "high season" for him to be working on his PECOTA forecasts for Baseball Prospectus. They have an annual book to get to the press in 30 days, and the forecasts are input to all of the essays that the Baseball Prospectus 2009 writers are writing right now.

I think we'll see Nate come up for air in a week or two, but in the meantime he'll be here only intermittently.

hill.tops said...

*

"Liberal Takeover"?

Huh?

But the corporate media and the wingers said Barack's landslide win was a victory for the conservatives.

instantkarma said...

Hey Cris!

That's my Obama cake on your wallpaper site!

livemild said...

Is anyone else becoming REALLY afraid of Palin?

this is starting to look creepy with her drawing this many people after the election.

i was sure people would by now realize what a complete dangerous, moron she is, but apparently not.

Nick said...

A few thoughts:
a) Saxby is most likely going to win but it'll be closer than most will think.
b) I absolutely love the "what kind of name is saxby chambliss" - I moved here not too long ago and they also have a governor named Sonny Perdue if you haven't noticed. But then again, some of the northern names like Worchester, Yonkers, and Spitzer kind of baffle me as well. I love to see the internet bring together cultures instantaneously and hear inner thoughts like that :-)
c) I also am enjoying the rappers influence. Rap culture isn't what it seems. You could make the argument that they are having a negative effect but they aren't thugs - some example: Outkast was born in predominantly white area of town in east atlanta, public enemy was born out of a "slums" of long island and was formulaic - the idea of a white head of def jam - rick rubin and ludacris studied music and was a music identity here on the GSU radio until he was snatched off radio by Timbaland ( a local producer). Rap is hardly what it seems but it does produce some nasty lyrics sometimes.

Anyway. love the site :-)

kilioopu said...

I'm one of those "political geeks" whose boat is floated by elections and the working of government...

That being said - do you think all of the centrist cabinet announcements had any effect on this runoff? i think that the answer is "no" - as does any claim by Palin that the liberals need to be balanced. No one is changing their mind based on anything - it's all about GOTV.

I think Chamblliss is cruising for an easy win.

naomix said...

Go Sarah Go!

Bobby Jindal would be an infinitely more difficult candidate to beat in 2012 than Palin. Here is hoping the Republican base shoots itself in the foot and nominates the not-so- divine Miss P.

Derek said...

Chambliss by 3

wv: sonne Als, die Sonne scheint

Robby said...

Eric

I don't know about statistics, but if Florida beats the #1 team in the nation on a neutral field, they deserve to be ranked no lower than second, and they will be.

Furthermore, since human voters have a lot to say in the BCS, you'll almost certainly see the SEC champion ranked no lower than #2 if for no other reason than voters not wanting an intra-conference national championship game.

A UT-OU rematch in the national championship game went out the window this weekend when Florida and Alabama took care of business in their respective rivalry games. If you're a UT fan, you're breaking out your black and gold face paint this Saturday.

darkerstar1 said...

Huge difference in votes the vote is now 5 in 4k in franke's favor and only 3k challenged according to SOS...WtF even if it was a mix up in numbers still doesn't explain this.

mathtalk said...

Who else remembers when the Republicans wanted to alter the "checks and balances" with the so-called "nuclear strategy" to change the Senate cloture requirement by a rule change, predicated on a simple majority?

Clay said...

--This is my comment after reading this AND the link of to early voting numbers--

Don't forget that the dynamics of early voters will different from the general election. It didn't last as long and the locations and hours were much more limited. Most people with a 9-5 work schedule that doesn't allow for scheduling lee-way wouldn't be able to vote early, whereas they were in the general election.

I think it is possible that there are enough housewives or women working part time jobs (compared to the number of men working part-time) that there would be a small boost in women voting early. I didn't find that surprising at all. It could also explain the change in the African American vote if there is a difference in the time constraints of work schedules between the average African American and the average white Georgian. Of course it would be hard to properly find the data to support that, but it is a possibility.

However, I don't think it looks good for Martin. I think the early voting helped more democrats vote than it did conservatives. If the benefits of early voting are more limited and conservative Georgia voters seem to favor the typical Tuesday election day compared to liberal Georgia voters, then it is a good sign for Chambliss.

The big question is will liberal voters who preferred early voting in the general election, but were unable to vote early in the runoff due to time & distance constraints take the effort to vote before or after work on Tuesday.

DCM in FL said...

Darker is correct - the MN state count now has Franken with the popular vote LEAD by several thousand [+4237] cumulative with over 90% recounted and a HUGE .15% advantage [despite fewer challenged ballots].

These are the first 'leads' for Franken that I have seen...

The DFL should be trumpeting these #'s LOUDLY !!!
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@ http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp

Precincts Recounted: 93.75% (3872 of 4130) Last update was: 12/1/2008 8:00:01 PM
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Statewide Recount Results for US Senate Totals
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman = 1103291
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken = 1107528 [Al +4237]

Recounted Data Totals Percent
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Coleman (as recounted) 1100922 / 41.37
RECOUNT Number of Ballots for Franken (as recounted) 1105030 / 41.52 [Al +.15%]
RECOUNT Number of All Other Ballots (as recounted) 449235 16.88
RECOUNT COLEMAN and Other Ballots Challenged By FRANKEN 2876 0.11
RECOUNT FRANKEN and Other Ballots Challenged By COLEMAN 3067 0.12

Percentage of Ballots Recounted = 91.13 %

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WV - vagic .... these new #'s appeared like vagic, just in time...

Shuzuluza said...

WOMAN (heart) SAX
Ha ha.

DCM in FL said...

according to the MN SOS site [which differs from the STrib site #'s] there are only 7 counties that have not completed the recounts with less than 200,000 votes outstanding:

[2 Metro] Hennepin & Ramsey with 7% of the count outstanding - presumably heavily DFL precints left to count [?]

[1 southern near Rochester] Dodge with 40% outstanding, but only about 3257 votes left with a GOP tilt

[2 exurban metro] Scott & Wright have 100% to count this week, and both have strong GOP tilt

[1 SE city] Winona 100% count this week, with a moderate DFL lean]

[1 SW rural] Rock 100% count this week, with strong GOP lean BUT small #'s

by my estimation, the outstanding counties look better for Colmean than Franken - unless the remaining Metro precints are VERY strong inner-city DFLers to offset the Scott & Wright margins for Normean

LJay said...

wow
i'm disgusted all over again

gotta get out of this country by 2012

"stop the liberal takeover"
what the hell does that even mean

KWRegan said...

Here's a thought: maybe early voting was down among people in the Fulton/Atlanta area because word got around that if you vote early, your vote gets counted late. (?)

Cameron said...

Sara A. said, "if you actually HAVE Camerons and Madisons in your family."

Hey! Easy on my first name surname. It's enough that I have three last names to deal with.

Antmatic said...

We Democrats should not underestimate Palin. She already has political talent and star power, and she will get smarter on the issues over the next 4 years.

Robby said...

Antmatic

I'm gonna go ahead and underestimate Palin.

Mrs B said...

I don't think one can UNDERestimate Palin herself - you'd probably need to be a limbo dancer to do that. What one might underestimate is her effect on some groups of voters. But while she clearly appeals to one demographic, any thinking person is going to run in the opposite direction if they see her coming. Aren't they?

dvdmgsr said...

Bobby Jindal would be an infinitely more difficult candidate to beat in 2012 than Palin.

That's not saying much.

And Jindal is fundamentally flawed as well. He has thoroughly defined himself in the Bush mold of the right wing. He has four years to perform a makeover, but as of now, the country isn't buying what Jindal is selling. At all.

Voice of the Midwest said...

Jindal cannot get out of the Republican Primary. By the GOP formula, states that provide more support for the GOP in the Presidential Primary have more delegates awarded. Under that formula, 64% of the delegates in the 2012 GOP primary will be from the South and Plains.

And, as we know, the South and the Plains states voted heavily against a black man for President of the United States. Texas looked liberal in comparison with their numbers for Obama.

Bobby Jindal will learn what the heart and soul of his chosen party is if he runs for President (Dixiecrats turned conservative Republicans). You or I could have beaten Blanco as a Republican in Louisiana. He is 1%, at best, in Iowa or NH. Race will hurt him among GOP voters.

Statler N Waldorf said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvfexvihri8&eurl=http://www.pinkpanthersblog.com/

This is a commercial for the upcoming movie "Milk". It,s basically a jazzed up speech he gave when he got elected. More relevant now than ever.

Alex Platt said...

Look at that woman's sign in the far right of that photo taken at the Chambliss rally:

"Woman (heart) Sax"

Notice anything?

Chris1974 said...

Headline of the week listed on today's RCP website:

Palin, Ludacris Rally Georgia Crowds - Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Wow, a twin billing involving Palin and Ludacris?

net-e said...

No offense to the new photog, but I miss Brett Marty's work.

Nick said...

Wow. Just got back from a midtown polling location here in Atlanta and I was the only one in there. This is going to be ugly :'(

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