12.27.2008

Kennedy Struggling To Win Over Key Demographic: Women

Here's something interesting from the recent Quinnipiac poll on the New York Senate vacancy. There is essentially no difference among women and men when it comes to picking New York's next Senator. Among New York men, 32 percent want Governor Paterson to appoint Caroline Kennedy to take Hillary Clinton's seat, versus 27 percent for Andrew Cuomo. Among women, 33 percent want Kennedy, and 31 percent Cuomo, a statistically insignificant difference.

Women seem to be able to separate out any personal affections they might have for Kennedy (or her kinfolk) from their perception of her qualifications to serve in the Senate. Exactly 50 percent of women have a favorable view of Kennedy, as opposed to 14 percent unfavorable -- a significantly wider favorability gap than Kennedy gets from men, among whom 42 percent have favorable opinion and 21 percent an unfavorable one. But, women are no more likely than men to say that Kennedy is qualified for the position. Among women, 40 percent think she is qualified to serve in the Senate and 39 percent think she isn't -- not a statistically significant difference from the response among men, of whom 39 percent call her qualified and 43 percent do not.

Of course, there is no hard-and-fast rule that women support other women candidates more than men do. But it usually works out that way -- at least when the woman is a Democrat. Since 2006, Democratic women running for the Senate have gotten an average of 57 percent of the women's vote as compared with 49 percent of the men's vote (these figures exclude women like Kay Hagan that were running against other women). That 8-point gap is twice the size of the gender gap on this year's Generic Congressional Ballot, where 56 percent of women supported the Democrat as opposed to 52 percent of men.

2008              Women       Men
Figures (AL) 39% 32%
Landrieu (LA) 57% 47%
Shaheen (NH) 60% 45%
2006 Women Men
Klobuchar (MN) 63% 52%
Stabenow (MI) 60% 53%
McCaskill (MO) 51% 46%
Clinton (NY) 73% 61%
Cantwell (WA) 60% 57%
==================================
AVERAGE 57% 49%
As we perhaps learned with Sarah Palin, women are not amused by other women whom they perceive to be unqualified -- and it probably isn't helpful to Kennedy that she has Hillary Clinton's shoes to fill. Still, for a candidate campaigning (yes, she's campaigning) so heavily on personal rather than political qualities, this is not the response that one would expect.

85 comments

hill.tops said...

FIRST!

STepper said...

hill.tops - you should be ashamed of yourself. Being first only means you have no life.

Now, to the topic at hand. Who cares what New Yorkers think about Caroline Kennedy? You can take all the polls you want. The only poll that counts is with one New Yorker. And, any of the candidates mentioned in the poll who will vote liberal and raise tons of cash is "qualified." The Senate is a collegial body where it takes years for "superstars" to rise up. (I'm thinking Edw. Kennedy, not Harry Reid here.) So the most imprtant thing for a Senator is to be in the gang of 59.

DCM in FL said...

all I can say is

meh

STepper said...

DCM - stop the whingeing. I am sure you can find something else soon to flagellate yourself -- and us -- over. You seem to enjoy it (though we don't).

DCM in FL said...

STEP

the comment was directed toward the subject post re: Kennedy's qualifications...

but your blather likes rates a solid - meh

who cares ??? LOL

TheReader said...

You mean women don't vote for anything with a vagina? They care about things like political stances and qualifications? Someone should have told McCain.

hill.tops said...

I don't get this.

Women seemed to be "amused" with Caroline. That is, why they're divided on her qualifications, they have OVERWHELMING positive feelings (50-14). By any measuent, a 50 to 14 rating is a blowout.

On the other hand, Palin had a NET negative personal rating.

As to Cuomo, well, he is a household name.

Nate, don't succumb to Kos and the angry left blogoratiy peer pressure .

After all, most of them supported Edwards in the primary.

STepper said...

DCM - If it's not GLBT 24/7 for you it's meh.

Our lives do involve more than our sexual identities. At least that's true of those of us who are not Freudian.

If you don't like the subject you can either whinge -- which is what you did -- or ignore the topic. So, thanks for letting us know this topic and my posts did not meet your high GLBT standards. I guess from now on that's all we should post about. And then you can complain more and more about the faux radical BHO.

hill.tops said...

TheReader said...

You mean women don't vote for anything with a vagina?

I don't know. Older female voters were Hillary's base, even though they disliked her war vote and DLC ties.

Matt said...

I don't think Caroline is qualified to be Senator--she doesn't even vote half that time in regular elections! I mean yeah I would vote for her over Peter King, but Patterson needs to appoint a Democrat with real qualifications and who has run a campaign to defend the seat in 2010. If the economy stays crappy through 2010 and Democrats falter in the polls, we will need a strong incumbent. New Yorkers are not afraid of electing Republicans, such as D'Amato and Pataki. Paterson can't make the mistake of appointing a famous, but untested name.

hill.tops said...

"qualifications"

Maybe he should appoint Spitzer -- he's won state wide, multiple times.

fred said...

There are no qualifications for seantor, so she passes. The real question is who would do better for NY. Cuomo is much better politically, but the Kennedy name is likely to bring lots of clout - I would try her out for two years. What can it hurt?

SWpitzer is the best choice, but of course he got railroaded by a politicized justice department.

fred said...

The Obama plan to save us all, by Lawrence Summers:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/26/AR2008122601299.html

susan said...

As a mid-left liberal woman age 60, I am disgusted with the idea of Caroline Kennedy being appointed. She has no legislative experience and appears to have embraced some fairly radical positions. Her inexperience combines with her failure to acknowledge that compromise is a necessary part of legislative work make her a terrible option. I feel it is important for her to work towards earning an office rather than being appointed because of her high profile.

Hillary Clinton worked very hard and gained the respect of her constituents. Caroline Kennedy has not done this, and the fact that she *wants* the job is not a qualification. It disrespects Hillary to suggest Caroline has earned the job. I admire Hillary for keeping silence on the issue; I would be furious!

hill.tops said...

Is Cuomo a good politician?

In 2006, Spitzer received 69% of the vote and Clinton received 67% of the vote. Yet Cuomo only received 58% of the vote, even though he was running against the tabloid-scandal-plagued and incompetent Jeanine Pirro.

Plus, there's this: Journalist Wayne Barrett of the Village Voice has said that during his time as HUD Secretary, Andrew Cuomo "gave birth to the mortgage crisis" by pushing for further gains in homeownership, partly because of his unethical ties with the housing industry.[2] Ouch!

hill.tops said...

Susan,

You sound like a scorned PUMA.

"appears to have embraced some fairly radical positions."

Sounds like the talking points and slogans the right wing used against Hillary for 16 years.

Brian said...

Have no doubt, I love Hillary too. But she HAS to be silent on this issue, for her political sake and mainly because she's going into the Cabinet to serve an apolitical role. If she speaks out, it would be really bad for her image.

To be frank, I like the idea of Caroline Kennedy. Although, I'm saddened by the fact that Caroline cannot prove herself because this isn't an election. I have every faith that if she is appointed, she will embrace the role and preform well in the 2010 election. She is capable and she understands the legislative process, it's just Paterson needs to take a chance on her.

And what radical positions? I haven't seen her say anything that's out of line with the NY electorate...

hill.tops said...

Brian-

Caroline is obviously a radical, I mean, after all, political opponents said Hillary was a radical, so it must of been true.

Brian said...

Hahahah that is true. I loved how, over this year, you slowly saw the right fear Hillary less and less until she actually became the "moderate" and "reasonable" Democrat hahaha.

STepper said...

@Susan

Caroline Kennedy will be one of 100senators. Who gives a shit if she has legislative experience. Experience ain't all it's cracked up to be. ("Radical positions" -- you have got to be kidding yourself; nobody else is buying that crap.)

The laws are all written by the staff, anyway. What I want is judgment not experience. We had experience in the personae of Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld. Need I say more?

In any event, get over being jealous. As long as she votes the right way she'll do great. From what I have read, her instincts and judgment are just fine.

susan said...

hill.tops et al.

Actually, I'm a huge Obama fan, and find Warren phony.

I am not a nonexistent person except for the sake of your argument. I don't know why you bother if you neither read nor listen except as an adjunct for your opinion.

I am not interested in second-hand information but base my opinions on what a candidate says as much as possible. I don't disagree with most of CK's positions, but legislation is a job like any other, and needs to be learned. Meeting other people on the issues is important.

slantsp, slant specialist

Nick said...

Why the hell is everyone talking as if Cuomo and Kennedy are the only choices?
Cuomo oversaw the deregulation of Fannie and Freddie and Kennedy thinks her name entitles her to the seat.

Why not pick someone based on actual qualifications?
Jerrold Nadler for instance. Or any other progressive New York rep.

How could anyone argue the Kennedy, who doesn't even vote in local elections, would make a better Senator than a current Representative?

yiannis said...

Kennedy made a significant mistake when she stated she won't run for office unless appointed.

I like her liberal stances but from her recent comment it seems she doesn't want to serve the people of NY unless she is appointed.

ugh

Nick said...

@STepper:
If voting the right way is all that matters, why not pick someone one with a track record of voting the right way, like Nadler, as opposed to Kennedy, who's views on most issue weren't known till a week ago.
Then we'd avoid this whole dynastic power struggle.

hill.tops said...

Nick-

Nadler voted for the $700,000,000,000.00 bailout!!!

Brian said...

No, Caroline didn't make a mistake by saying she wouldn't run if not appointed. Because this shows that she is allied with the Democratic Party and she respects the process. This shows that she'll back the Democratic candidate in the '10 election instead of holding a grudge and being a sore loser. She also said in the same breath that she voted for the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor in '05, assuring Democrats that she isn't tied to Bloomberg and that she's a true Democrat.

And to be honest, Cuomo and Kennedy basically are the only candidates. Paterson is navigating a treacherous maze of special interests and such. If he picks someone who isn't Cuomo or Kennedy, he'll piss off all the other candidates. Cuomo and Kennedy are, to be blunt, on another level, and he'll alienate various groups if he picks others. Like if he picks Nadler, he'll alienate upstate voters. If he picks a man, he'll alienate women, etc.

Cuomo and Kennedy are the only ones with state-wide name recognition. Cuomo has been tested, but he hasn't been seeking the job and his work as HUD secretary could work against him in an election. He also hasn't won be significant margins in his race, and would probably be a weak candidate. Kennedy, however, brings the Kennedy resources with her, enormous name recognition, and personal wealth. She'd be a good candidate, and she seems willing to engage NY State as a whole, as Chuck Schumer did.

To be honest, Caroline is the best pick for Paterson. And I think it'll wind up being her.

TINAandRON said...

Hey your headline is screwed up. In the Article you quote she is leading every other candidate with women. Under your theory last years super bowl headline would read. GIANTS struggling (which they did) to win key demographic: Points. Even though they struggled they still lead. I sense you are not to PRO on Caroline Kennedy, to bad, she immediately is a star. If you are a shill for someone just ENDORSE THEM. If not stick to the sort of stuff you are good at. Let MY DD split democrats. I could write a nice long OBJECTIVE article on this but whats the point we all see the point.

hill.tops said...

TINAandRON-

Does MYDD.com still exist?

I thought they feel off the face of the earth.

hill.tops said...

I hope Caroline is appointed just to see Kos' head explode.

Siobhan said...

hill.tops, you joke, but damn if we don't need Spitzer right now... remember when he was the only guy fighting corruption on Wall Street while the SEC was asleep at the wheel? Man, thank God we got rid of THAT guy, right?

re: Caroline -- I know a lot of Hillary supporters hate her for her endorsement. On the other hand, my step-dad is a conservative independent who loves Hillary and can't stand Obama (or McCain). And surprisingly to me, he wants Caroline to get the seat. He said he looked her up on the Internet and was impressed by her charity work and her books. So what the hell, why not? Granted we don't live in NY, but she's got the support of one Hillary fan (this longtime Obama supporter is still on the fence).

Either way, I hope Paterson picks one already... it would be nice to get a Senator from New York before my state gives you a Senator from Minnesota!

STepper said...

@Nick

I noticed that you used the word "progressive." I am personally a liberal. Isn't a "progressive" a liberal who's afraid to call himself (or herself) that because of what Rush Slackjaw has bloviated? In other words, a "progressive" is a liberal who's a weenie.

As for Nadler, the guy would vote right but he is unpolished. Kind of a rougher, less intellectual version of Barney Frank. Of significance, and related to that, Nadler won't be able to raise the money to protect the seat.

So as much as I like the liberal Jerry Nadler, he won't do.

fred said...

The take home of all this - I sure hope Obama knows what he is doing as he is putting the NY, IL, and CO senate seats in positions where they can more easily be taken by repubs...

Opus 132 said...

A good appointee would he long time liberal Congresswoman Nita Lowey.She obviously has the experience and would be backed by woman.

Her age,71,is a possible drawback.Also,I don't know if she wants the job.

Cuomo,I believee, would be a poor choice.He is notoriously arrogant and has pissed off many people who have worked with/for him.I can't see him working well with other Democratic senators.

Brian said...

Lowey doesn't want it. She already said so.

Opus 132 said...

@ Siobhan

t would be nice to get a Senator from New York before my state gives you a Senator from Minnesota!

Hillary will still be a New York Senator until she is confirmed by the Senate,which will be in February at the earliest.

Opus 132 said...

Lowey doesn't want it. She already said so.

Thanks,Brian.

In that case I'm for CK.Lack of experience is quickly overcome by intelligence.

David L said...

Clark Kent for Senate! Wooo-hooo!

Sorry, Im tired

hill.tops said...

Nita Lowey voted for the iraq war -- that's some liberal.

fred said...

They were all lied to on the Iraq war, I really do wonder if Obama would have been able to vote against the Iraq war if he had been there...

RivierRatt said...

@Stepper:

"Who cares what New Yorkers think about Caroline Kennedy? You can take all the polls you want. The only poll that counts is with one New Yorker."

That might be true if that one New Yorker didn't give a flying fupp what other NY'ers thought. Butt that particular NY'er will be a candidate, in 2010, for the office he now holds. He will surely be considering the wishes of the voters with all of his decisions. And that, of course, is how it should be in a representative democracy.

wv: midestri: something hormonal that happens to women in their 40's or 50's.

liberal_defender_of_freedom said...

I think HC was a heck of a fundraiser for the DNC. They've lost her now. I've read Kennedy could be close to filling her shoes as far as raising funds goes. The name alone is worth tens of millions a year I think.

Raising funds is kind of a big deal.

I think she shares many of the same positions as Hillary no? Seems like a shoe in to me.

fred said...

CK with the :NY Times, does this help or hurt?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/nyregion/28kennedy.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

Siobhan said...

Opus - touche! ;) But I hope Paterson makes a choice before then, it gives the political insiders time to robble-robble-robble over their Manufactured Scandal du Jour before we get to the more serious business of... well, everything Congress has on its plate.

RufusRules said...

It's not at all surprising to me that women are reserving judgment on Kennedy's qualifications. Women are becoming more politically sophisticated on average, and we want tough, savvy, competent female politicians in Washington. Kennedy has no bona fides in that regard, and it hasn't helped that she's not been forthcoming on financial questions or potential ethical entanglements. And of course, Hillary is leaving some pretty big shoes to fill. Women would probably ramp up their support if she could set forth a basic agenda of what she'd like to accomplish for the people of New York over the next two years.

eve said...

How many successful bloggers had any experience blogging before they blogged?

Experience doesn't have to be in the exact job for one to do well in the new job. How many people were POTUS before they were POTUS?

I like Kennedy and I admire her. I have no doubt she can do the job of senator well. But politics require that the appointed person also be good at campaigning and good at raising money. I believe it likely she could easily raise the money. But can she campaign? So far she has not been a star on the campaign front.

I don't like that she would not be considered if she were not the daughter of JFK. I believe there very likely are other people who might be an even better choice. Even if they haven't run for office. But they aren't part of a rich and famous family so they won't be considered.

RufusRules said...

Eve, experience doesn't have to be specific to a position, but it should be relevant (i.e., Presidents have held political office before being elected POTUS). But apart from coming from a political family, Kennedy has no previous political experience. That's not saying she wouldn't do a great job, but her learning curve will be steep and I think people want some indication that she's up to the task.

BTW, most bloggers are blogging long before starting their own blogs. Poblano was blogging over at Daily Kos for what - a year? - before starting this blog, no doubt ironing out a few wrinkles in his style during that time.

fred said...

Why are the crazies at DailyKOS and Firdoglake shooting C. Kennedy - the candidate the furthest left and likely the best for their positions?

Just asking...

DCM in FL said...

STEPPER

you stepped in it bigtime

such a trollish whiner

get a clue or STFU

who anointed you as the arbiter of all that is PC ?

panties in a bunch ???

thatmarvelousape said...

STepper,

There is a difference between progressives and liberals, but people tend to use them synonymously since there are many progressive liberals. Being a liberal, however, implies certain beliefs that many progressives do not hold. For example, I'm a communitarian, which rejects the foundation of liberal thought, but I consider myself a progressive in terms of the specific agendas I support.

Tim Gunter said...

Hell! Put Rangel in there!

Opus 132 said...
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Opus 132 said...

@ thatmarvelousape

I'm a communitarian, which rejects the foundation of liberal thought.

Can you elucidate on this so I have a better understanding what you mean?

Sam Thornton said...

I know I shouldn't be saying this, but after her last press availability, which she cut off in mid-question, I'm beginning to get that Palin feeling all over again. Please don't tell me there's some country she can see from Kennebunkport.

OK. I'll just have a drink. A really, stiff drink.

Sam Thornton said...

OK, before I have that really stiff drink, Opus 32, I'll try to answer your question since the other guy seems to have left.

I'm thinking the reference is to Anarcho-syndicalism. They're big communitarians and think liberalism (as in the classic, 19th century Liberalism) sucks.

Hope this helps. Toodles.

green libertarian said...

In terms of 21st century politics, to the extent that labels matter (not much) progressives are somewhat more lefty than liberals.

I believe there's a litmus test for progressives. If you don't support single payer universal healthcare, you're not a progressive. But you may be a liberal.

hill.tops said...

fred -

Yhere are two camps. One camp is comprised of hard core Clinton supporters who are still angry over Caroline's high profile endorsement of Obama.

The second camp is comprised of geeks angry that someone is jumping to the head of the line. To them it recalls their nightmarish days in high school when the cool kids would cut in front of them.

hill.tops said...

Fred-

They were all lied to on the Iraq war, I really do wonder if Obama would have been able to vote against the Iraq war if he had been there.

In an interview conducted on 11/25/02 (6 weeks after the vote), Barack said he would have voted with Dick Durbin, who voted against the war.

DCM in FL said...

HILL

Obama was against the war before he was for being against the war... or something like that

anyway today he would apparently seek Rick Warren's consul - WWJD...

Warren was for the Iraq war[s] and as he told Hannity on FAUX recently, he + god are in favor of killing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and going to war with Iran & destrying all evil-doers...

hill.tops said...

DCM-

you're so silly.

doncha know?

Haven't ya heard?

Barack is a secret muslim.

DCM in FL said...

HILL

you say muslim, I say moslem...

no seriously - the REAL threat is that it is all just deliberate distractions so that Obama & his cohorts can install the New World Order - or is it that Obama is the anti-christ who will bring on The End of Days...

Opus 132 said...

Obama is the anti-christ who will bring on The End of Days...

And Warren wants to bring on The End of Gays.

DCM,you're doomed either way!

DCM in FL said...

OPUS

lol...true if you believe that fiction

just another dramatic episode in the long-running soap opera, 'Gays of Our Lives'

or maybe, 'As The World Burns' [sponsored by our friends @ Saddleback Church]

fred said...

hill.tops-

Obama was my Senator - I know exactly what he said before and after the vote, and I think he believes it to. I hope he would have voted with Durbin, but I have doubts he would not have taken the more conservative and less principled stand. I really don't car though, as the lies told to the country and the Congress before Iraq are so blatant and horrendous that Cheney should be brought up on treason charges, that is the issue, not who was lied to or whether they believed it, but the liar.


My point was, and still is, that you should give the folks a break who voted for the war. Kudos to those who didn't, but lets just get over ourselves a bit and move on.

fred said...

The whole end of days thing shows two things:

1) How low liars on the repub side will go

2) How stupid some people are

fred said...

Great morning reading on how the repubs are becoming a southern party.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/26/AR2008122601129.html

markymark said...

Its fascinating to me that there are so many polls around on the NY Senate seat, given that its an appointed position. Its also fascination that the media has fired so much heat at Caroline Kennedy, and pretty much ignored Andrew Cuomo. I wonder if in some ways Caroline is the first woman candidate to suffer from a kind of 'Palin guilt' factor, whereby the media, and women in general, give a woman who is perceived as being pushy, far more scrutiny than any male gets.

I think the truth of the matter is that Paterson has at least 2 top quality candidates to pick from (Kennedy and Cuomo), but in the end its his decision. Is the Cuomo family a far more important clan in NEW YORK politics than the Kennedy clan I wonder? Would it be sensible to find a place sitter and allow for a fair fight in the 2010 primaries? That being said, Caroline Kennedy appears to me to have the makings of a very good US Senator, and Cuomo has already lost a statewide election, so maybe isn't as strong a candidate in the actual election come 2010 as he might seem.

fred said...

markymark-

the heat on Caroline has nothing to do with her gender, it has everything to do with her name.

thatmarvelousape said...

Opus,

Liberals believe in a universal conception of rights centered on an idea of independent individuals who are fundamentally separated from other individuals via negative restrictions on action. IMO, liberalism is somewhat incompatible with many contemporary progressive policies, but it's still the dominant ideology since most American liberals have, at least, a strong social libertarian bent.

Communitarians view individuals as fundamentally interdependent and so think 'individual rights' must be balanced with broad responsibilities to the community as a whole. We also think cultural traditions have a value that should be considered when attempting to institute policies (for example, communitarians think you have to construct democracies in accordance with a culture, you can't run in ala-Bush and impose a Western-style democracy on a people who have no comprehension of Western-style values and traditions).

In the most general terms, communitarians believe liberals undermine society by emphasizing the rights and goals of the individual. The liberal mindset does not equip people with the ideas necessary to really comprehend the purpose and necessity of communal responsibilities. In philosophical terms, we're more influenced by Aristotle and Hegel than iconic liberals such as Rousseau and Locke.

In a sense, the U.S. is already a communitarian society in terms of the policies it pursues, though its people tend to be (by and large) liberals. This is problematic and it tends to empower the Republicans, as Democrats are poorly equipped to argue for various positive rights (or as Republicans call them, "entitlement programs") and do not understand how communitarian ideology is distinct from socialism and Marxism. And for the record, the distinction is that communitarianism does place an equal emphasis on the protection of the individual, but believe it must be balanced with communal responsibilities. Socialism and Marxism, in contrast, believe the sole emphasis is on communal responsibility and are poorly equipped to argue for protections afforded to individual interests.

fred said...

Hmmmm, so would a communitarian be FOR prop 8 since the "community" voted for it?

I will stick with traditional terminology, proud to be a left leaning moderate.

David L said...

"Hmmmm, so would a communitarian be FOR prop 8 since the "community" voted for it?"

That is quite possibly one of the most stupid things you've ever written. Sorry mate

"I will stick with traditional terminology"

Well, the terminology thatmarvelousape uses is certainly more "traditional", certainly outside of the US (in Europe, "liberal" is usually synonymous with "conservative")

David L said...

Back to Kennedy, as a Brit I think the idea of actually being able to elect the party's candidate is fantastic, and I think the best thing for Patterson to do is pick a caretaker who doesn't want the seat after 2010 - then let New Yorkers decide.

Personally, I think Kennedy might be able to fundraise, but at the end of the day she wants to be a Senator - an incredibly important office - not Party Treasurer. To suggest that such a key job doesn't need experience is insane, but as I said, New Yorkers should decide.

markymark said...

Fred, I wonder if thats true, I mean sure the Kennedy name is one thing, but the gender thing I think does play as well in regarding her as a candidate. I think especially people are more cautious of an underqualified woman, post Palin, than before, and it still doesn't answer why she has a far brighter and harsher media spotlight on her than Cuomo has.

Its quite interesting how the experience thing plays in something like this. I think experience can be an over estimated quality in a politician, and Kennedy seems to have some good qualities as far as being a politician is concerned. Does she have loads of elected experience? No, but then if she did people would use that against her.

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GoldenAh said...

I find her likable, but a lot of that is wrapped up in pity. Being liked is great when you are a quasi-royalty-celebrity, I don't know if that would translate into political power or respect.

It's possible that the more she mentions her relatives, that may backfire. She has to tell people, especially women, what's worthwhile about her as an individual, and not just convey a gimme gimme attitude due to her as a Kennedy.

Right now, she's coming across as being out of touch. The Princess Caroline nickname doesn't help.

Frankly, I think Paterson should put together a pool of 10-15 diverse, moderately liked, and well know politicians, plus business executives, and hold a lottery. It would come across as a nice exercise in fairness.

pw: exonstra - stratosphere occupied by dead celebrities.

fred said...

markymark-

I think the Kennedy name brings alot of scrutiny, and her roll out did not go well. Palin did not either, but I think for both candidates it is not gender, but just a bad rollout.

She is being "Quayle'd" not "Plain'd" ib my mind.

Opus 132 said...

@ thatmarvelousape

Thank you for taking the time to respond in such depth.

It seems to me that a communitarian would be quite content in a theocracy such as the caliphate desired by Islamic fundamentalists.Or quite content to be a Mormon.

Scares the hell out of me.

markymark said...

Fred,

Exactly what has Caroline Kennedy done badly so far? I think the name thing has a certain amount of truth, and maybe she hasn't sealed the deal yet, but I don't think that she has yet had a Palin/Quayle moment yet. It seems like plenty of people are happy to jump on her ambitions without actually considering whether she has any positive qualities. I expect it from Peter King maybe, but it seems plenty of Democrats even are happy to jump on her, when she did a pretty good job throughout the Presidential election campaign as an Obama surrogate.

nowholdon said...

I think Ms. Kennedy is a nice lady. However, in the present economic tsunami it would be refreshing if Gov Patterson put in a "financial expert" like Felix Rohytan who is credited with saving N.Y.C. during the 70's fiscal crisis. We don't need thee FAB a ticians we need leaders.

Lisa Hunter said...

Hillary's "qualifications" to run for NY Senate were substantially similar to Caroline Kennedy's: she was an Ivy League lawyer who'd never held any elected office, but whose membership in a presidential family made her a more powerful junior senator than a less connected one.

Add to that 1) Caroline Kennedy is actually from New York and 2) has never been a right-to-work-state corporate lawyer or served on the board or served on the board of a notoriously union-busting corporation (VERY unusual qualifications for a Democrat!), and I think she makes a lot of sense to replace Hillary.

This cult of Hillary is so mysterious. Her supporters seem to want to destroy any woman (Sibelius, Kennedy, etc) so Hillary can be the only woman who succeeds.

Weather Boy said...

Remind me again, what were Hillary's political qualifications prior to moving to New York in order to run for senator on the strength of her having been First Lady?

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